White Brothers Hardbody Cartridge Shock Upgrade

Hardbody Cartridge

White Brothers Hardbody Cartridge

User Reviews (13)

Showing 1-10 of 13  
Sean Ralph   Weekend Warrior [Aug 08, 2000]
Strength:

MAde an old fork better

Weakness:

Blown seals on the cartridge kit, expensive, bottoming & Topping out

When I bought my 95 Judy, I was going to get a Judy DH but the shop said buy the XC and put the hardbody kit in with JUDD springs. Worked well enough for a while

Last year I took it for some hard rding in BC and Quebec - it was bottoming and topping out like a beee-otch. My shop guy tore it down and we found the springs had broken off at the top and the cartridges had blown the seals.

Bought a rebuild kit (expensive & took 4 weeks to get here) and got the mountain speed springs instead of JUDDs. Since I was waiting, I bought a new frame & fork instead. Way better & more travel.

The Judy is going back on the Zaskar - which is now the wife's bike. =)

Three flaming piles - kinda pricey, everything broke (though it took a while) and a new fork is still better than a Judy.

OVERALL
RATING
3
VALUE
RATING
3
scooter bicky   Cross Country Rider [Aug 01, 2000]
Strength:

makes for a smooth and very active fork with a good range of adjustment.

Weakness:

blows up

I realy liked it while it worked. In combination with WB's heavy duty Judd springs and WB wipers my rock shock was plusher than just about anything out there. It did bottom out a little more than I would have liked, but that was a small sacrifice for the great plushness. But then it blew and I was left with the dilemna - do I pay 100 bucks for a new cartridge kit to put in a beat up three year old fork or do I buy a new fork? I opted for the latter and bought a new marzocchi atom 80 and so far I think I prefer the feel of my old fork though I have yet to realy fine tune and break-in my new one. We'll see.

Similar Products Used: stock cartridges
OVERALL
RATING
4
VALUE
RATING
3
ACS   Cross-Country Rider [Nov 05, 1999]
Strength:

Good Dampning Action

Weakness:

Expensive
Springs not as progressive as i would like.

Finnaly blew the seals. We'll see how cust. service responds.

Similar Products Used: Stock Judy
OVERALL
RATING
3
VALUE
RATING
Nathan   Racer [Jul 26, 1999]
Strength:

Works slightly better than the stock Rockshox cartridge.

Weakness:

The absolute WORST customer service I have ever experienced.
First time it failed, it took six weeks for them to fix and return.
Recent leak resulted in unanswered phone messages. I ordered the $15 rebuild o-ring/seal kit and it took 8 weeks. Called nearly every week only to find out that my order hadn't gone through and it was on the way. I was told this on at least four different occasions. Finally got the kit only to find out they they didn't send everything I ordered and the kit didn't include any o-rings like the picture in their catalog showed.

Works adequately. Just hope you never have to deal with their customer service. Absolutely horid.

Similar Products Used: Englund Air Cartridge - sucks
OVERALL
RATING
1
VALUE
RATING
Kalimero   weekend warrior [Jul 28, 1998]

Hardbody+ Rules!
The sorry excuse of a cartridge that was supplied with the fork brok after far to short time.
This one made a world of difference. If you have a -95/-96 Judy, and plan to keep it, get a hardbody+, it makes a whole lot of change. And no, I am not on the payrole of White Bros!

OVERALL
RATING
5
VALUE
RATING
schwinnman   cross-country rider [Jun 13, 1998]

Like the Judd springs the Hardbody Plus cartridge recieves an equal amount of praise. Nice aluiminum body as oppossed to the Rock Shox Plastic boy which leeks oil. Nicest feature is the rebound adjustment in the leg which is easily changed with the quick turn off a 2mm allen key, and definately listen to the rebound adjustment suggestions the White Bros. supplies they were right on the money for my style of riding a nice plush feel!!!!!!

OVERALL
RATING
5
VALUE
RATING
An Nguyen   weekend warrior [May 08, 1998]

I had the opportunity to read many reviews of different upgraded suspesion kits.
I suggest to all the warrior out there to consider the following factors before buying an upgraded suspension kit. I am an engineer
and specialized in shock and vibration controls and I would like to share some of my knowledge to mountain
bikers. I look for the following factors:
1)Performance 2)Reliability 3)Product Safety 4)Price 5)How easy installing
6)maintenance cost.
Performance: Bare Coil spring in any shape and size is an energy storage system
with little to no damping. It means the more energy you put in then the harder it will rebound and the result is the energy stored
transmitting to your arms and you will feel big shock with washboard and tiring with long distance ride. Coil spring is reliable
product but it will rough on your fork and reduce the wall thickness of your fork and later it will create safety concern on the fork's
strength. It 's better to wrap your coil spring
with some elastomer product.An Oil Damper by itself is a useless mechanism because it has no muscle to return to its original position after being compressed
that is why it has to be connected to coil spring. The performance of oil damper and coil spring connected can create a good
damping system that can absorb a big hit but it will bottom out after a series of big hits due to slowly response of oil flowing
throught valves.Oil damper is not a reliable product caused by explose of oil seal. You imagine
dropping down your bike from 4 to 5 feet height and your seal bursted due to extremly high pressure exerted on the seal then the
damping of your fork is gone then safety becomes an important factor. I suggest that with oil damper or air
damper/air spring combination you should avoid hard hits and washboard. Super Strut shows good performance, respond quickly to big hits and small hits and showed no bottom out, reliable product
because no leaking oil or air. It is simple design and required almost no maintenance and it is a safe product.
The high damping polymer bonded very well to the coil spring and control both
up and down motions.
I enjoy the performance of Super Strut and the reliability plus free maintenance and the safety of product but I do not like the price
$119.

OVERALL
RATING
5
VALUE
RATING
rick   racer [Jan 16, 1998]

I have 2 Hardbody Plus cartridges, one in my M2(Judy FSX) and the other on my LTS_1 (Judy XC). Both are the 3 model. I love them !!!!!! I didn't even ride the LTS before I put the Hardbody plus in. (I have the Judd springs in both forks also)The kits give you adjustability for both rebound and dampening and just flat let you dial in the fork to match your bike and your riding style.Don't ride a plus equipped bike unless you have the $$$ to buy one because your fork will suck until you get the cartridge.The M2's cartridge will be going on it's third race season and the LTS it's second. No problems. I'm a nobody, just Joe Average racer in the Vets class.. I went to the White Bros support truck at the 7 Springs National MTB race this year and they treated me like I was John Tomac. Nice people, good support, great product !!!!

OVERALL
RATING
5
VALUE
RATING
Noah Bodman   downhiller [Nov 18, 1997]

I stuck it in a long travel Judy XC and its great. If I'm jumping I'll tighten up the dampening, or if I'm doing trails I'll turn it down. Nice and easy and it works well.

OVERALL
RATING
5
VALUE
RATING
Steve Douglas   racer [Jun 26, 1997]

I got the Hardbody kit when I blew the stock Judy XC (75mm) after about 15
Hours on the bike. The shop I got the bike from was nice and gave me a 50%
discount on the Hardboy kit and they installed it for me. I did 10 or so
races on the them and few hundred miles and they worked OK. At about the 8
month point while riding in Jim Thorp PA (MTB Festival) I blew these things
big time. Oil all over the front rim! Arrgggh!. I pressed down on the front
with the front brake on and I could see the oil being squirted out of the
bottom of the shock. This was worse than the original Judy cartridge. I was
not happy about this. I just kept riding it anyway (40 total for the day)
and I didn't really notice bad performance. The shock was attached to a
Trek Y-22 and I only weight about 148lbs so I don't think that this should
have happened. I called white Bros and they don't warrantee the things
cause they have no control over how the things were installed. They said I'd
have to buy a rebuild kit. The Tech I spoke with said the the Hardbody Plus
has much better valving and is a better unit cause it doesn't use the stock
Judy internals. I am gonna look into something else before spending $130 for
that thought.

OVERALL
RATING
2
VALUE
RATING
Showing 1-10 of 13  

THE SITE

ABOUT MTBR

VISIT US AT

mtbr.com and the ConsumerReview Network are business units of Invenda Corporation

(C) Copyright 1996-2018. All Rights Reserved.