Submitted by
Eric
a Cross Country Rider
from Hockessin, DE, USA Date Reviewed: June 12, 2002
Favorite Trail:
the dirt one
Duration Product Used:
More than 3 years
Price Paid:
$1400.00
Purchased At:
Bike Line
Strengths:
excellent X-country bike light frame at around 3lbs i believe
Weaknesses:
original pedals suck
Bike Setup:
trek 8500, judy rock shox 100, i upgraded to all XTR components which i highly reccomend
Bottom Line:
this is one hell of a bike plain and simple, relatively light and can take a beating. I have just started racing and it has carried me to the finish line in first numerous times. i love this bike and will never sell it
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Submitted by
Garrett Mealing
a Racer
from Canada Date Reviewed: March 20, 2001
Favorite Trail:
Wood Lot Maple Ridge
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$899.00
Purchased At:
Bike Barn
Strengths:
Super Good Frame, Upgraded to hydro discs front and rear(AWESOME)
Weaknesses:
Dont keep the Judy 100's. I was only 145lbs at the time and I destroyed them in 2 months.
Similar Products Used:
Trek 8000.
Bike Setup:
Marzocchi Bomber Z2 Bam, F/R Hydro Discs. Rokko 2.4 DH Tires. Easton CT2 bars. Rock Shox Seat Post.
Bottom Line:
I have raced this bike 20 times or so and the only thing that has ever broken is the forks(but as you can see i changed them to Marzochhi's...recomend doing that). Very nice frame but the bike is a tad heavy for racing. Very good acceleration and descending capabilities. Fell from 6 feet broad side on a tree and only lost a little paint in the incident. Whoever says the frame is week must have hit a brick wall at 100miles an hour. Anyway i give it five flamin' chillis. Unbelievable bike. Dont spen anymore that $1400US on a bike cause this will kick any freeride bikes ass.
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Submitted by
Mike
a Cross Country Rider
from New Jersey, USA Date Reviewed: March 9, 2001
Favorite Trail:
Chimney Rock
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Price Paid:
$1299.00
Purchased At:
Somerville Cyclery
Strengths:
Spec'd hydraulic front disc brake. Rear disc tabs and hub make upgrade to dual discs very affordable. Most Icon products held up well (except cranks). LX/XT drivetrain works well for non-competitive riding.
Weaknesses:
Still not sure about the suspension post. May try a lighter-weight rigid post. The Judy 100 fork was good for the first year, but completely crapped out thereafter. Bent the crank-spider and trashed the chain-rings, but that was mostly due to hard riding. Upgrading to a rear disc was definitely the way to go.
Similar Products Used:
1996 Gary Fisher Tassajara - Replaced everything except the frame before buying the 8500LT in late '98.
Bike Setup:
Marzocchi Z-1 MCR fork, Dual Hayes Hydraulics, Bontrager Crankset.
Bottom Line:
This bike has held up very well over the past 2 years plus of fairly heavy riding by a 195 lb. rider. The Judy 100 fork however, is not a good fork for any sort of extended abusive riding. There was also the issue of adjustablity of the fork. Marzocchi is a much better option if you have the cash to upgrade. I've raced this bike a handful of times and found that it is a bit heavy for this use, but performs extremely well on any sort of technical terrain. The jury's still out on the suspension post. If you listen to the stupid magazines, suspension posts are no longer cool, but it hasn't bothered me enough to go back to rigid. The longer travel for will affect climbing because of a more relaxed head angle, but I have gotten used to it, and the ECC on the Marzocchi fork has helped with this. Overall, a great bike that's fun to ride.
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Submitted by
Rebel .
a Downhiller
from Mill Valley, CA Date Reviewed: March 1, 2001
Favorite Trail:
Hookooeekoo
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1000.00
Purchased At:
Start to Finish Mill Valley
Strengths:
Light, fast, plush, good parts spec.
Weaknesses:
Light, weak frame, weak rims, weak tires.
Similar Products Used:
Azonic DS-1 (only thing close that I've tried)
Bike Setup:
Stock (LX v-brakes f&r) except for Odyssey Shark Bite pedals, a THE front fender, and I cut the seat post down.
Bottom Line:
This bike is nice. My bike has the dual LX v-brakes, so there's not as much all-weather braking, but the performance of the bike improves when 1.) you don't have to worry about clipping in and/or out in sticky situations, and 2.) you don't have to worry about getting mud and/or rocks in your face while you're riding in the mud (which there is a lot of around here). Bottom line is that if you can get this bike for under $1000 like I did, do so. It's a deal. But it's not a DH or even a DS bike. It's just a bike, so treat it like one and it won't break.
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Submitted by
Craig Heffron
a Downhiller
from New york Date Reviewed: September 30, 2000
Favorite Trail:
mount snow ds. Or Stillwell.
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Price Paid:
$1000.00
Purchased At:
Bob's Bike store
Strengths:
Holy Sh*t!! I love this bike.Fast, sic brake rocks, shocks are very good.
Weaknesses:
Some weak Components. I had to replace the duerelleur twoce, the chain twice, and some other parts. Im only 15, and cant keep breaking things. But overall, this bike is ill!!
Similar Products Used:
hmmmmm, none, this is my first ds rig.
Bike Setup:
custom, chain stays, eastin pedals, dh headset, T.H.E front fender (looks HOT!!), control tech seatpost.
Bottom Line:
The bottom line? GET THIS BIKE!! It's almost fully customizable, very good for both ds and xc, planning on getting another after this. U might wanna put another disc brake on it though. I love this bike. Get this bike if you want to get into ds, but also want to do a bit of xc. If u try ds and really like it, this bike will hold up very nicely on some tough tracks such as the mount snow course, whistler/blackcomb mountain, and the mt hood course.
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Submitted by
Rob
a Weekend Warrior
from Prince George, B.C. Date Reviewed: August 23, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Nicky's Nightmare
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Strengths:
Awesome Value...$1400can with dual Hydraulic Hayes Sweet frame and good fork
Weaknesses:
Icon components. I bent the bar and stem in the first month and broke a crank a week ago. Paintjob stinks
Similar Products Used:
cannondale f2000, Giant 890
Bike Setup:
Hayes hydro front and rear, Jr. T's and fat a** front wheel, decent DH bar and stem, Race face northshore cranks, Easton flat pedals
Bottom Line:
Awesome bike if you love to rip downhill but don't like lugging a DH rig back up. Awesome parts spec for building a custom rig. Your friends will hate you after you kick their $4000 dh rigs' wazoos
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Submitted by
Cy
a Racer
from Washington Date Reviewed: August 10, 2000
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
Strong, light, and stiff frame, nice seat post
Weaknesses:
Judy 100 weighs a ton, hayes mechanical brake has no stopping power, flexy cranks
Similar Products Used:
Trek 8700, Trek 9700, Cannondale F900
Bike Setup:
Stock, with flat bars, new wheel set, avid 25 rim brakes
Bottom Line:
This bike performs well for the money and has a very nice frame. The fork needs to come with boots or be rebuilt frequently and the hayes cable disc brake has got to go, but it did for Y2K. I bought this bike as a second hardtail to tool around on to save my race bike. It is fun to ride and decsends very well. This bike is worth the money, but if I were you, I would buy the frame for 600 bucks and put the parts you want on it.
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Submitted by
colby
a Racer
from augusta Date Reviewed: July 12, 2000
Favorite Trail:
tower
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Strengths:
Hayes disc brake, smooth riding with judy 100 shocks, rock shock seat post, icon crank
Weaknesses:
has shimano lx and xt derailers. needs xtr
Similar Products Used:
trex y3
Bike Setup:
hayes disc front, judy 100, rock shock seatpost, icon crank, shimano lx front and xt rear derailer, bontrager rims.
Bottom Line:
very nice free riding bike but is still good enough to race with, atleast it has worked well for me. this is a good bike for someonw who just wants to have fun and also once in a while go race. it also has a good price of $1400. even if you dont buy this bike, atleast buy a trek because they are the best.
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Submitted by
Tony
a Cross Country Rider
from Knoxville, TN Date Reviewed: June 26, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Haw Ridge in Oak Ridge, TN
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
1. Judy 100 Front Fork 2. ICON Crankset 3. Bontrager Rims w/ Disk Compatable hubs on both wheels 4. Caliper mounting flange on frame for Disk Brake upgrade. 5. Hayes Front Disk Brake (cable activated)
Weaknesses:
1. No Shock Boots 2. Turning Ability
Similar Products Used:
Trek 930 Shock
Bike Setup:
Judy 100 Shock, RockShock Seat Post, Hayes Front Disk Brake (cable activated)
Bottom Line:
(My previous bike was a Trek 930 Shock, so that's a reference point for me.)
The Judy 100 shock is great. Several people I've ridden with have commented that the shock works a lot. I agree. I think the spring in an oil bath is the way to go. Personally, I like the raised bar and shock seat post. They both seem to help my lower back. The front disk brake is nice and works very smoothly. I can climb a lot better with this bike. It is very smooth and feels good on the trail. I would have never thought that a bike could make such a difference. The only thing I don't like as well as my old bike is that the 8500LT doesn't turn as crisply, although it has wider bars. I ride a lot through curvy, twisty tree lined trails and I was able to zip through those sections on my old bike. Of course, it may be that it will just take some getting use to and later I'll be zipping through the twists just as nimbly with the 8500LT.
I strongly recommend this bike. I love riding it.
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Submitted by
Paul
a Weekend Warrior
from Rockwall, TX. Date Reviewed: June 18, 2000
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Love the long travel judy 100, the stiffness and just the overall handling.
Weaknesses:
Not sure about the Rock Shox seat post, I may replace that. May end up trading out the bars as well.
Similar Products Used:
Gary Fisher Paragon.
Bike Setup:
stock
Bottom Line:
Sweet bike if you can find a deal....got mine for $995 in February and love it. Stiff, light and responsive. Excellent all around bike.
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Submitted by
Marty
a Racer
from Tremblant, Canada Date Reviewed: June 2, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Bromont, Tremblant, Oka
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Strengths:
Stiff frame, fork Judy 100
Weaknesses:
Poor cable disc in front and poor crankset.
Similar Products Used:
Fisher Supercaliber
Bike Setup:
HAYES Dics brake front & rear, RaceFace crankset & stem. ODI Lock-on grip, 545 pedals.
Bottom Line:
This bike rules !!!! It's a great climber and downhiller. But if you race... you need to up-grade the brakes. Perfect all-mountain hardtail, fast and light.
A real pleasure to ride !!!
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Submitted by
Tim
a Racer
from WA Date Reviewed: May 28, 2000
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
judy 100's, hayes brake up front, stiff & light frame
Weaknesses:
cranks, stem
Similar Products Used:
Fisher bikes
Bike Setup:
Easton riser bars, thomoson elite seatpost, 00 XT cranks and BB, azonic shorty stem, speed springs, primo flat pedals
Bottom Line:
It's a good bike and I got it at a smoking deal, 1000 bucks which I was happy about. I wasn't a big fan of Rock Shox suspension seat post but everyone has their own personal preference. The Judy 100's have been great for me especially since I put speed springs in them, I had to put them in since the 100's were a little too plush for me. I do a lot of free riding, dirt jumping, downhill with this bike and it has held up really well seeing that most people use this bike for cross country. The only problems I've had with this bike is the crankset and I just ordered a new one since I'm not a big fan of Icon.
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Submitted by
John
a Cross Country Rider
from Ireland Date Reviewed: April 20, 2000
Favorite Trail:
anywhere
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
Great stiff frame makes for good climbing ability.Hayes brakes work a treat.Marzocchi forks very plush.XTR rear derailleur.
Weaknesses:
Dont like the handlebars.Nothing else.
Similar Products Used:
Marin Team Marin
Bike Setup:
Stock
Bottom Line:
Just ride this bike,its immense fun with the best of both worlds good at going uphill and down.Good light frame makes it easy to add more upgrades later.Great quality overall.If your into serious riding-buy it!.
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Submitted by
MATT BRADSTOCK
a Cross Country Rider
from Wellington,OH Date Reviewed: March 16, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Potawatomee,MI
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
The fork kicks ass and the the hayes hydras yank your friggin eyes out of socket.
Weaknesses:
I hate spoke rims.
Similar Products Used:
cannondale F900 schwinn moab disc
Bike Setup:
judy 100 fork raceface turbine cranks xtr shifters and deraileurs hayes hydra front and back rockshox seatpost(luv it) icon bar ends chris king headset gore ride-on cables and a spin eon disc wheelset
Bottom Line:
the frame looks friggin awesome and its light as hell. with some upgrades this bike kicks some serious arse!!if your one of those p*ssies riding a boing-boing, you need to sell that piece of sh*t and buy a trek hardtail!
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Submitted by
Nico
a Racer
from Lethbridge Date Reviewed: March 10, 2000
Favorite Trail:
The MUFF
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
Super Ultrasteller frame with fancy colours, wicked brakes (added an XTR in rear)
Weaknesses:
no seat quick release
Similar Products Used:
Trek 7000
Bike Setup:
Stock except rear brake, which is changed to XTR
Bottom Line:
Sweet bike with great paint job.
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Submitted by
Darryl Richardson
a Weekend Warrior
from Oakville Ontario Date Reviewed: February 27, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Hardwood Hills
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
Great shocks, Brakes and drivetrain
Weaknesses:
Frame gets dented and chipped easily (heh heh)
Similar Products Used:
Custom made Look, Schwinn Moab 4 (1998)
Bike Setup:
Stock except flat pedals
Bottom Line:
This bike is an amazing go anywhere do anything kind of bike. When I am riding this bike I feel equally in my element on an insane downhill as I do on a fire road. It climbs great descends great, doesn't handle crashes too well (yes you know who you are!). This bike also handles mud excellently, I went on a 20 mile ride through pure mud without a single part locking up on me. My only gripe is on the paint, it cracks and chips way too easily, but I don't really care 'cause the scratches add character. Overall an excellent bike that I can't wait to race!
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Submitted by
JJ B
a Cross Country Rider
from Fresno, CA Date Reviewed: February 16, 2000
Favorite Trail:
ranchland cow trails
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Great fork, light, stiff frame, great brakes, great feel, ...compromise in design
Weaknesses:
Heavy seatpost, riser bar, ...compromise in design
Similar Products Used:
Fisher X-Caliber Trek 8900
Bike Setup:
Stock except flat bar+barends
Bottom Line:
This bike is great-I love it! For those of us who ride for the ride, the 8500LT is the perfect blend of cross-country nimbleness and downhill plushness. It accelerates like crazy and loves to be tossed through corners. Climbing is easy, on or off the saddle. Roll over the top of the hill and descending is just as good. The Bomber is amazing-you don't even notice how hard it's working, but it sucks up everything. The Hayes brakes will throw you over the bar before you realize you grabbed the lever. Nice. I think Trek has found the future of mountain biking. Long-travel hardtail with disks. Simplicity and Performance. If you're a cross country racer, it's probably too heavy; if you're a DHer, it's a hardtail; but if you ride for the ride, this is the bike. I take away one flaming chili for the big price. Just try to get a deal at your local shop. It worked for me.
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Submitted by
Steve
a Cross Country Rider
from BOSTON,MA Date Reviewed: February 9, 2000
Favorite Trail:
LYNN WOODS
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
this bike is light! four inches of plush adjustable travel takes all the big hits. tires are suprisingly good/grippy
Weaknesses:
icon crank is suspect. rockshox seatpost and clipless pedals must go.
Similar Products Used:
trek 8900 (99')
Bike Setup:
stock except time clipless pedals and rigid seat post
Bottom Line:
this bike is great for bombing on xc trails but beffy enough for the ski areas. get it if you like having fun and racing occasionally. if you are a die-hard racer type i would look elsewhere
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Submitted by
Alex
a Weekend Warrior
from Fresno, CA, USA Date Reviewed: February 9, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Bass Lake-007
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Super light frame. This baby makes up for the added weight of the disc brakes. Parts are solid and made to take abuse. Marzocchi Z.3 Flylight is an impressive 4" stroke air fork. The seat/seatpost is surprisingly cush.
Weaknesses:
Paint scratches pretty easily. I would have preferred a coil 4" fork, even at the sacrifice of a bit more weight. Icon riser bar just didn't sit well with me, switched to a flat Easton bar.
There's very little to gripe about this bike. The frame is solidly built, the gussets are huge, yet the whole thing is _LIGHT_. I have a Psyclewerks dualie that I take up on lifts and stuff, but for day-to-day play riding, the Trek 8500 is _ALL_ you need to have tons of fun. This bike likes to be flicked around. I liked the huge adjustability of the air fork. Nothing like pumping it up high for reduced climbing bob, getting to the top, letting some air out and then REALLY letting some air out. :)
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Submitted by
Stuart Scott
a Cross Country Rider
from Columbia KY Date Reviewed: January 18, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Green River State Park!
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
Disk Brakes, New 2000 Bomber Shock
Weaknesses:
Crank, Too pricey, weak frame. Rocx Shox seatpost adjustable, but not comfortable at all
Similar Products Used:
Trek Y 22, GT, Cannondale
Bike Setup:
Stock with straight bar Icon, as opposed to Riser bar.
Bottom Line:
JUST FYI, THE 2000 TREK 8500LT's HAVE A RECALL OUT FOR THE POOS CRANK FROM ICON. THE CRANK OFTEN FALLS OFF OR CAUSES PROBLEMS. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BUYING A NEW TREK YOU SHOULD BE AWARE OF THIS PROBLEM, mine fell off the 2nd day of riding, and 3 times since, in the past 1 week of owning.
Other then the problem, the bike is great, Sweet brakes, and the air-oil shock from Marzocchi Z3 Flylight shock is the jam! Trek has finalllllly made a winner of Long Travel bikes!
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Submitted by
Lance Schwartz
a Weekend Warrior
from Trevorton, PA Date Reviewed: January 11, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Appalacian Mountains of PA
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
An overall good package for a hardtail. Nice Rock Shox seat post. Front Disk is sweet. Light and responsive
Weaknesses:
I think there is a bit of flex in the front shock.
Similar Products Used:
My brother's Trek VRX400 Various Cannondales w/ the Lefty shock!
Bike Setup:
Added only bar ends and a trip computer! Looking do add a rear disk.
Bottom Line:
I'm pumped that I got this bike. I was looking for a cool looking, reasonably priced hardtail with at least a front disk. There aren't that many out there. I thought about the Cannondale, but the price was out of site. I got a great deal and walked away with the bike for $1,100. I didn't think that was bad given the quality of the components! Do yourself a favor and go test ride one TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Submitted by
phil
a Racer
from carlisle england Date Reviewed: December 30, 1999
Favorite Trail:
devilsstaircase
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
goes like a rocket and then some.
Weaknesses:
seatpost,hate it.
Similar Products Used:
other hardtails
Bike Setup:
stock
Bottom Line:
seriosly good bike,i have had some problems with the fork and the brakes and i hate the seatpost but it is loads of fun to ride what more can you ask?
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Submitted by
Aaron
a Cross-Country Rider
from Sydney, Australia Date Reviewed: November 28, 1999
Favorite Trail:
laCumbre to Coroico - 5300m to 1100m over 60km of fast dirt track. Worked as a guide for three months on this track...200 - 300 kms a week.
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
LIGHT AND STIFF Sus. seatpost is a butt saver. Climbs like a monkey.
Weaknesses:
Cable actuated disc brake sucks. Judy 100 performed well until i filled it with mud - it needs boots and better seals. Forks legs are screwed after a few months of abuse. Handles slow....
Similar Products Used:
various treks and cannondales
Bike Setup:
standard + upgraded front and rear brakes to hayes hydraulic.
Bottom Line:
Nice for the price..... the money you save on your deal is well spent on a hydraulic brake set up and and some fork boots.
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Submitted by
DOGSOLDIER9
a Racer
from VERMONT Date Reviewed: November 27, 1999
Favorite Trail:
INDIAN BROOK REVEVOIR
Duration Product Used:
less than 1 month
Strengths:
HAYES DUAL DICS BRAKES MARZOCCHI Z3 - 4 TRAVEL NIMBLE & LIGHT (25.5# AFTER SOME TWEEKING) SWIFT CLIMBER, ASSENDING POWERS!!!!!!! STOP!!!!! ANYHWERE, ANY SLOPE!!!!! AS GOOD AS WHAT IS ON MY DH RACE BIKE MAN.... SICK GEOMETRY, LAY BACK XC STYLE, NICE..... ROLF WHEEL SET, STRONGER THAT ANY I HAVE SEEN AND I CLYDESDALE XC RACE....
Weaknesses:
I LOVE GOING DH ON A FULL SUSPENSION. THIS IS THE FIRST NON FULL SUSPENSION BIKE I HAVE OWNED AND I ENJOY RIDING IT ON MORE TRAILS THAN MT GT BUT, WHEN THE TRAIL GETS ROUGH W/BIG DROPS AND BOULDERS, GIVE ME FULL SUSPENSION MAN........SO, HARD TAILS HAVE A NEW SPOT IN MY HEART, FAST SINGLETRACK.
Similar Products Used:
GT LTS 2000 MONGOOSE NS9.7 PRO DH M2 JOSHUA Z GT RTS 99 TREK 8900
I AM IMPRESSED, HARD TO DO TO A DH JUNKIE. BUT FOR A HARD TAIL, THIS IS A SWEET ASS, HAUL BUT RACER. MORE THAN ENOUGHT BRAKE TO TWO FINGER TO A STOP AT ANY SPEED. I ROAD RACED MOTORCYCLES FOR 15 YEARS AND BRAKES WERE THE LIFE THREAD TO THE PAVEMENT. I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER RIM GRABER BRAKE AGAIN!!!!!
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Submitted by
Peeman
a Downhiller
from Norway, Oslo Date Reviewed: November 1, 1999
Favorite Trail:
ABB
Duration Product Used:
less than 1 month
Strengths:
Nothing, it just suck's bigtime!
Weaknesses:
The judy 100 fork that is with the bike is just a peace of shit. I broke it after just some week's!
Bottom Line:
Dont buy it, it's just a peace of s...!
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Submitted by
Mike
a Cross-Country Rider
from Boston Date Reviewed: September 27, 1999
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
None
Weaknesses:
Trek Customer service
Similar Products Used:
Many Many Treks
Bike Setup:
stock
Bottom Line:
This is a follow up to the letter I wrote on July 30th (see below). This letter was forwarded to every available e-mail listed on their company site. I have yet to hear any response at all. I guess Trek is too busy working on their problems.
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Submitted by
krashman
a Racer
from loveland, co Date Reviewed: September 18, 1999
Duration Product Used:
less than 1 month
Strengths:
see below
Weaknesses:
see below
Similar Products Used:
see below
Bike Setup:
see below
Bottom Line:
This is a follow up review to my last one that was a week ago. Just a couple minor annoyances. First off I got the 16.5 frame, so it is harder to get my old big waterbottles on the frame. but no biggie there, I have a hydrapack. But it is worth pointing out if you hate camelbak. Second, the rear disk got some air into the system so it isn't working as good. the feel at the lever is more mushy, but the brake still stops, just not as great. Third, the fork needs some boots. I really like the way it looks without, but after going through several big mud holes, I'm gonna have Peloton Cycles throw the boots on and keep my Judy riding good. Fourth, in certain gear combos the chain rubs derailleur. I know, I know, every derailleur does that, but it bugs me so I am going to put a Sachs twister on the front so I can run any combo I want with no chain drag. But still it is a nice bike, and I can't blame trek for specing what they did. It is all perfect with just a couple of minor fixes. If you can get one on closeout I would highly recommend that you do. happy trails!!!
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Submitted by
Krashman
a Racer
from Loveland,COLORADO!!!! Date Reviewed: September 12, 1999
Favorite Trail:
luve all the trails in all the world!!!
Duration Product Used:
less than 1 month
Strengths:
Sweet deal. judy 100. rockshox seatpost. Dual Hayes dics!!!!
Weaknesses:
None so far
Similar Products Used:
I had a specialized rockhopper that I put about 2 grand into and it was pretty sweet. test rode C-dale, a friend's Schwinn, and another friends Trek
Bike Setup:
Stock with exception of second Hayes disc and Wellgo DH pedals
Bottom Line:
I just got this bike but it is still a kick-a deal. I got the whole thing with a second disc and wellgo pedals for $1450 U.s. Sweet. Maybe there are better deals out there, but this is just sweet. The frame rules. Light weight, so if I ever want to lose that freeriding hardtail feel I could turn it into a lightweight racer. The components are good, too. Yeah, so what if there is LX on it. I had some three year old Acera-X crap on my last bike and it was still working just perfectly!!! So LX will stay on until it breaks. the Judy 100 is a dang nice fork. I would venture to say that is maybe even nicer than my bomber Z-2 and that is a dang sweet fork. I kranked the preload on the Judy and it is still bobing a good amount (almost half the travel), but I kinda like that. I'm a lightweight (18yo, 6ft, 130lbs) so I appreciate anything that is more active than that crapppy manitou that I had. Now for the discs. They are dang sweet!!! the rear one drags just a little bit, but I don't really care!!! they stop great. I was commuting yesterday and the rain started pouring, but they still stopped great. So much better than rim brakes. I pray that I never have to go back to rims!!! And I got such a good deal on this bike!!! Peloton cycles in Loveland threw the Second Hayes and the Wellgo's on for no extra cost!!!! And it handles good even though the geometry is a little more relaxed. I love it!!! I can't wait to take it to a serious trail!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, five bloody dead people on huffy!!!!!!!
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Submitted by
Troy
a Weekend Warrior
from Chesapeake, VA Date Reviewed: August 22, 1999
Favorite Trail:
York River State Park
Duration Product Used:
less than 1 month
Strengths:
Hayes Front Disc Brake Rock Shox Susp. Seat Post Super Granny Gears Frame/hub set-up for rear disc
Weaknesses:
Feels Heavy as a b&*#$ No QR seatpost clamp
Similar Products Used:
Cannondale F500 Klein Pulse
Bike Setup:
Judy 100 Hayes Cable Front Disc Avid 10 V-Brake Rear Shimano LX Rapidfire
Bottom Line:
Overall, its a nice bike. 4 of front travel is nice, as well as the seatpost (Rock Shox). I liked the fact the rear hub and frame are ready for disc brakes, but after a couple of rides, I've realized rear discs are not req'd. Front cable actuated Hayes kicks ass. The review in old issue of Mountain Bike mag is fairly representative of this bike. It doesn't turn real sharp, but I'll get used to it. The damn thing feels like it weighs a ton (27 or so pounds). Lack of QR seatpost is annoying. If they could figure out how to get under 25#, it be unstoppable.
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Submitted by
Michael
a Cross-Country Rider
from Boston Date Reviewed: August 5, 1999
Favorite Trail:
'Nam
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Good stiff/light frame while it is in one piece
Weaknesses:
The frame
Similar Products Used:
Same product again and again
Bike Setup:
Stock set-up
Bottom Line:
Here is the whole story(this letter was e-mailed to all Trek depts. 2 weeks ago....no reply yet): Dear Trek Bicycles:I am taking the time to write this letter to inform you about some quality issues I have discovered in your frame making process. My first mountain bike was a 1995 Trek 850 (Steel). I rode this bike and had tons of fun with it until the frame broke in May 1998. The frame broke on the rear weld of the chainstay. 4 years seems pretty reasonable considering what the bike went through in that time. Unfortunately my experience gets worse. When the frame was warranted I decided to upgrade to a better frame and bike. I ended up getting a 1998 Trek 8000SL . I was told by a Trek rep that was in International Bicycle Center in Newton, MA (very big Trek dealer) that this bike was “Bomb-Proof”. 600 miles later this was not the case…..the frame broke at the weld between the chainstay and the bottom bracket and I had to walk 3 miles out. After 600 miles of trails on this bike I had developed a relationship with this bike so this was a sad day. I did not want to go long without a bike so I immediately called International Bicycle Center in Brighton, MA and they had a 1998 19.5” 8500 frame in stock (lucky me). This time when I started riding my new frame I was not gleaming with confidence. Especially after the sales person told me they have seen many broken Al Treks. Riding this frame was scary because I was nervous it was going to break at a bad time. 250 miles later the frame cracked in the same exact spot!!!! That evening I went into Bay Road Bikes in South Hamilton, MA. Aaron (Co-owner) took the time to listen to my story and calm me down. I told him I would never get on a Trek again in my life. Because of the cost of not using the warrantee…I was forced to get another Trek! I should have this in Wed. July 28th. Hitting the trail with this frame I am sure there will be no “warm fuzzy feeling”. Being the trail with this bike will just be a trial of when it breaks. I ride with several groups in the Boston area (www.nemba.org and www.ragemtb.com ) and many people know my story. Many of these people want to know why these frames keep breaking. One thing I did notice on several other Al frames (Cannondale, Gary Fisher…etc) is that they all have a reinforcement bar in the bottom of the triangles (inside chainstay). This letter will be published to all my local riding groups and to any relevant sites on the internet (www.mtbr.com). Any feedback I receive from Trek will be published and addended to my postings. If there is no response…that will also be posted. My friends and I would like to know why we should consider/continue to ride Trek bikes.I feel 2 weeks is a reasonable time to allow to hear back from you in regards to this matter. Update: I got my new frame and there is a gusset where it kept breaking...I guess it won't break there again. Michael J. Duval Mduval@alphaind.com
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Mountain Biker 04 jaw
a Weekend Warrior
from Helena Montana Date Reviewed: August 3, 1999
Favorite Trail:
trax
Duration Product Used:
less than 1 month
Strengths:
The frame, front disk and judy 100 was great.
Weaknesses:
The back brake wasn't the best and the Lx parts sucked.
Similar Products Used:
Trek 9.9, 9.8, 8900 Specialized stumpjumpers and FSR's Gary fisher super caliber and mt. tam Klien attitude race, mantra race and androit race
Bike Setup:
I add a back disk brake more xt components
Bottom Line:
The bottom line is that this bike was the best I had tried out of all these bikes. I would given it a perfect ten.
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Avery
a Cross-Country Rider
from Marin CA Date Reviewed: July 27, 1999
Duration Product Used:
less than 1 month
Strengths:
the judy 100 kicks ass, and the front hayes and everthing elts on the bike but the back brake
Weaknesses:
avid brake
Bike Setup:
stock
Bottom Line:
great bike everthing kicked ass and it was a good price. Nothing to complain about it is fast and light.
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Eric
a Weekend Warrior
from Gothnburg Date Reviewed: July 27, 1999
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
nice light and stiff frame powerfull brakes and a realy nice price and it also looks god
Weaknesses:
The judy 100 sucks, i blew the oilcartridge after two months and it got cheap parts like lx on it
Similar Products Used:
easton bike with xtr and judy sl
Bike Setup:
Judy 100 Full XTR and Hayes hydraulic discbrakes
Bottom Line:
Fu*** nice bike after you uppgraded it with some xtr parts and a rear discbrake
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Paul Batista
a Cross-Country Rider
from Caracas, Venezuela Date Reviewed: July 19, 1999
Favorite Trail:
pto. cruz
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
The judy 100 is great, and the tires are sweet, I also think the bike is light and it climbs nicely.
Weaknesses:
the rear breake!!! you just have to change it for a hayes disk and it is perfect. Also the handelbar rise is a little to much I change it to a Icon ernie and now its even perfect for a race!
Similar Products Used:
Mongoose, Trek 9000 and cannondale f900
Bike Setup:
Judi 100, Icon ernie handel bars, front and rear haye´s disk breakes, bontrager RE-II clipless pedals
Bottom Line:
Great bike for the price, it has great componets and it kiks ass in downhill as well aa in all-around riding in any condition. It handels perfectly in the mud. SWEET DEAL
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David
a Cross-Country Rider
from Tampa, FL Date Reviewed: July 19, 1999
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
Judy 100, frame, Hayes brake.
Weaknesses:
front tire.
Similar Products Used:
Specialized Stumpjumper, Gary Fisher Ziggurat, Giant XTC2,
Bike Setup:
Judy 100, Hayes hydralic front disc, Bontrager Jones tires.
Bottom Line:
This bike is great and a real pleasure to ride. My only complaint is the front tire easily loses lateral traction in sand on tight turns and the steering at speed is less accurate than other bikes I've tried. I was shopping for a full suspension, but the combination of the Judy 100 and the Rock Shox seatpost makes for a plush hardtail.
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Submitted by
Duncs
a Cross-Country Rider
from Vancouver, BC Date Reviewed: July 14, 1999
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Great frame, forks, brakes, seatpost
Weaknesses:
Havent found one yet
Similar Products Used:
Trek 8700
Bike Setup:
Stock, with upgrades to rear Hayes disk and Time ATAC pedals
Bottom Line:
Got a great deal... by the seems of it, Trek offer the rear disk brake upgrade at cost, so its the besst value for money. I was tempted by the Cannondale F900, but since riding this bike for the past month, I've decided I definitely made the right decision. Forks are great, seatpost is fantastic and the brakes have been superbe in all weather and the frame feels stiff.
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Submitted by
colby
a Cross-Country Rider
from augusta ga Date Reviewed: July 13, 1999
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Similar Products Used:
trek y3
Bike Setup:
rockshox judy 100, front disc brake, rockshox seatpost
Bottom Line:
the best bike i have ever rode. the rockshox seatpost makes it feel like a full suspension. Its goin to be my racing bike for the next couple of years. best bike you can get. also rides great in the mud.
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Paul
a Cross-Country Rider
from Denver, CO Date Reviewed: July 7, 1999
Favorite Trail:
Various Vail downhills
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Great ride at speed in moderate bumps with Judy and seatpost, and I weigh 210.
Weaknesses:
Bontrager saddle a little rough, changed to Flite to protect the privates. Stock Clipless pedals took a long time to break in.
Similar Products Used:
Cannondale F900
Bike Setup:
Judy 100, Rock shox seatpost.
Bottom Line:
A great bike for the price. I'm actually thinking about doing some racing with it even though I'm 44.
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Trond Tomsen
a Weekend Warrior
from Oslo Date Reviewed: June 19, 1999
Favorite Trail:
ABB
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
every thing, but the V-brake
Weaknesses:
V-brake(avid)
Similar Products Used:
KLEIN ATTITUDE COMP
Bike Setup:
original from the store
Bottom Line:
you have to get one of these bikes, it's great! KLEIN bikes are so weak compared with TREK 8500 LT. If you are a HardCore rider it's the bike of your dreams!!!!!! It gives you mårrabrø!(benner'n)
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Marks Mom
a Racer
from Hell Date Reviewed: June 10, 1999
Favorite Trail:
Hell's one and only singletrack
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
Mark, if you really think that we believe that your frame cracked completely in half when it hit a tree you have to be f*cking crazy! Everybody knows that TREK makes the strongest and lightest frames on the market.
Weaknesses:
NONE NONE NONE
Similar Products Used:
Giant XTC-1
Bike Setup:
Stock, with hydra. front hayes, with XTR rear and slasa brake arch.
Bottom Line:
GET ONE OF THESE F*CKING BIKES! ANK KILL MY SON MARK, HE IS A FAG!
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Matt Krei
a Racer
from Spokane, WA Date Reviewed: June 2, 1999
Favorite Trail:
Beacon Hill
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
This bike has it all. I installed a hydraulic front disc on it instead of keeping the stock cable-actuated one. On the back I put on an XTR V-brake with a salsa brake arch. The Judy 100 compliments the bike very nicely, it is soooooo plush! The frame is light and very strong, also. The RockShox seatpost is okay if you dont race, but i took it off and put on a titec post.
Weaknesses:
None that I can think of, other than the cable-actuated Hayes brake on the front.
This is the sweatest hardtail that I have ever ridden! I wouldnt trade it for much anything else, the price is perfect too!
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Submitted by
Sean
a Cross-Country Rider
from Canada Date Reviewed: May 9, 1999
Duration Product Used:
less than 1 month
Strengths:
- Great Plush Ride - Love the Disk Brakes
Weaknesses:
- A wee bit on the heavy side
Similar Products Used:
Specialized Stumpjumpers Trek Y-22
Bike Setup:
Trek 8500 Lt
Bottom Line:
Great Bike!
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Submitted by
Peter B.
a Cross-Country Rider
from Philadelphia, PA Date Reviewed: May 6, 1999
Duration Product Used:
less than 1 month
Strengths:
Downhill: Great Travel on front shock which makes for a very responsive rideClimbing: Light components and stiff/light frame make for lots of power and control
Weaknesses:
Pedals suck! Switching over to my 747's. A little too much negative travel on front shock, which takes a while to get used to when climbing over large obstacles
Similar Products Used:
Trek 930- '94
Bottom Line:
A great compromise between a downhill bike and a cross-country bike. For someone sick like me whho enjoys the uphills more than the downs, a great overall bike. Plus my ass really enjoys the suspension seatpost (rock shox).
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Adam
a Cross-Country Rider
from Sterling Virginia Date Reviewed: May 6, 1999
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
1. ICCON Crankset 2. Judy 100 Front Fork 3. Bontrager Rims w/ Disk Compatable hubs on both wheels 4. Caliper mounting flange on frame for Disk Brake upgrade.
Weaknesses:
Avid 1.0 Rear Brake No Fork Boots (looks cool without but dirt gets in there)
Bottom Line:
I've had this bike about a few months now and still rave to people the great price on this thing. I got it for $1300 and am totally satisfied with what I got. I previously owned a $2500 GT LTS-1 that Got stolen and wanted to get another full suspension but could not afford it. I was looking at hardtails and almost bought a Jamis Dragon for XC racing. But when I saw the Trek, I was sold. Especially with that price. The rims kick ass! Keith's newest design (i think) and a good idea by using disk compatable hubs on both wheels for a possible upgrade. The fork rocks! having been on a '97 Judy XC in the past, I always thought it was very flexy from side to side. Wasn't very confidence inspiring. That is not the case with the Judy 100. A very solid and plush fork (if you set it up right). I have to say that the only fault that I see with the bike was the rear brake. I'm not a fan of avid equipment but do realize that it's there to keep costs down. Also because I swithch my levers so that my front brake lever is on my right hand (motorcycle style) I had to have the shop re-install the hayes and avid levers upside down. No biggie. just doesn't look as good. Will be fine when I do my hayes rear brake upgrade (maybe). All in all this bike had got to be the best buy on the market for a hardtail. PERIOD. It's relatively light ~25lbs and with a switch of the bar and seatpost it's race ready. whover gives this bike less than 4 chilis is a schmuck and doesn't know dick about bikes and technology.
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Submitted by
HE WHO KNOWS
a Racer
from MARK IS GAY Date Reviewed: April 25, 1999
Favorite Trail:
BIG TITS RIDGE
Duration Product Used:
tested or demo'ed only
Strengths:
MARK W IS A FAG THE BIKE HASN'T EVEN BEEN OUT A YEAR SO GO SUCK YOU R MAMAS DICK
Weaknesses:
NOTHING BUT MARK IS GAY
Similar Products Used:
MARK IS MORE GAY EVERY TIME I TYPE
Bike Setup:
KEPT IT THE SAME AND LEFT MARKS MAMA'S DILDO OUT OF THE SET UP
Bottom Line:
TREK RULES
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Submitted by
John Smith
a Racer
from Toledo, Ohio Date Reviewed: April 17, 1999
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
none
Weaknesses:
IT SUCKED DICK
Similar Products Used:
8000, 9900, 8900
Bike Setup:
8500 frame, judy 100's hayes disc brakes
Bottom Line:
This bike was good untill my first race. Then when I raced, the brakes would catch when I wanted them to, and when they did, I crashed and the frame hit a tree and broke in two, crappy eh?
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Submitted by
Pablo I. Fernandez
a Weekend Warrior
from Bogota, Colombia - South America Date Reviewed: March 29, 1999
Favorite Trail:
weekend rider
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Made in USA frame. Ligth bycicle. Color is beatiful. It just immediately catch the attention Accelaration for climbing in the Andes mountains is great. suspension is very nice. Is light, it replaces a GT Ricochet 1998 I had before. The ICON crankset is outstanding.
Weaknesses:
Considering the 8000 has the Avid 20 brakes, the 8500 LT should at least come equipped with this one.
Bike Setup:
Contrary to what some riders believe, in my opinion the Avid brakes are very good. I had Shimano LX in my old bike and actually do not feel ther difference.
Bottom Line:
Excellent bike. The best buy in the price range.
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Submitted by
garrett stout
a Cross-Country Rider
from flatwoods wv Date Reviewed: March 25, 1999
Favorite Trail:
green brier
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
strong frame and plush fork and seatpost.
Weaknesses:
none yet.
Similar Products Used:
giant xts1
Bike Setup:
trek 8500 LT judy t 100
Bottom Line:
Its a great bike it has great accelaration ,good shifting and braking.
Overall Rating:
Submitted by
garrett stout
a Cross-Country Rider
from flatwoods wv Date Reviewed: March 25, 1999
Favorite Trail:
green brier river trail
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Nice strong frame,plush fork and seatpost.
Weaknesses:
I haven't found any yet.
Similar Products Used:
Giant XTC 1
Bike Setup:
TREK 8500 JUDY T 100.
Bottom Line:
This is a great bike this bike has good accelaration great shifting and braking.
Overall Rating:
Submitted by
Dave
a Weekend Warrior
from Jersey Date Reviewed: March 22, 1999
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Strong frame, plush fork, comfortable seatpost, good componants and an excellent brake.
Weaknesses:
None found yet.
Similar Products Used:
Giant Box 1, Scott Yecora and Scott Tacana
Bike Setup:
The stuff that came with the bike.
Bottom Line:
Very good value for money.
Overall Rating:
Submitted by
Mark Warner
a Racer
from Wading River, NY Date Reviewed: March 19, 1999
Favorite Trail:
RCA
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Strengths:
I found little strength in this bike. My frame cracked the first ride from extreme racing.
Weaknesses:
There are many weaknesses about this bike. One of them is the fork, they are very poorly constructed. Anyone who would buy this bike would have to be a total idiot. I myself got the bike as a gift. The breaks are very bad.
Similar Products Used:
I've not tried any other Trek products because I know there disfunctual.
Bike Setup:
I used the Rock Shox Boxxers and they often got stuck and didn't come back up.
Bottom Line:
A genuine peice of crap!!!
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Submitted by
DonP
a racer
from Carlisle, PA Date Reviewed: March 13, 1999
Bottom Line:
I had a custom 853 hardtail built recently with full XTR and Manitou SX Ti. Took a ride today on the $1400 Trek 8500 LT. I'm wishing I hadn't. Later rode my own bike and was a tad disapointed. Trek has a real winner here. A little heavy for racing, but oh so comfy, and deceptively nimble. The combo of long travel fork and suspension post on a hardtail frame is made to order for agressive eastern riding. Big drop-offs were a piece of cake on this thing, steering is light and precise, disk brake modulates well and is a true one finger stopper. Action is not as light as XTR, but disks don't care what goop you are riding in, unlike V brakes. Rock Shox 100mm fork is plush, but a bit flexy and lacking in rebound control. Still, this bike is nearly perfect as is. I want a longer travel fork on my rig now, or maybe I'll just pick up the 8500. 4 chillies for the bike, 5 chillies for the guts to market it.
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Submitted by
Shawn
a cross-country rider
from Spartanburg S.C. Date Reviewed: March 10, 1999
Bottom Line:
I rode this bike at a Trek dealer demo ride. I was very impressed with the Rockshox seatpost and Judy 100 fork. Incredible modulation on the front disc as well. This is a lot of bike for the money, and a very comfortable ride.
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Daniel Preston
a cross-country rider
from Meadowview Virginia Date Reviewed: February 5, 1999
Bottom Line:
This bike is great. Its fast, climbs well and descends well. The Judy 100 is the best freeride fork on the market. The Hayes gives you incredable stopping power(just add one to the rear). The Icon parts perform flawlessly. All this with LX Xt for just 1400 is a great buy.
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Submitted by
Isares Archvarin
a weekend warrior
from Bangkok,Thailand Date Reviewed: February 3, 1999
Bottom Line:
Just purchased a Trek 8500LT two weeks ago after I've been riding other hardtails for more than two years.This is the best deal for me.It is light,agile ,easy to steer and it has great acceleration.All components are great especially the Judy 100,it can eat all the bumps.
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John
a cross-country rider
from S. Carolina Date Reviewed: January 31, 1999
Bottom Line:
Changed handlebar from riser to a Easton Carbon and added bar ends. Swapped tubes for latex. Swapped Bontrager pedals for Shim. 545's. <24 lbs for $1400! Front shock very active with 4 travel. Suspension post works much better than expected. Not as smooth as full suspension, but able to stand, sprint and climb without any performance loss. Hayes Disc brake is awesome! Disc's will be standard within a couple years. Overall Great Bike! Only 1 complaint: No boots for the front shock! Had to order R.S. 80mm.
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Larry Smith
a weekend warrior
from PHX, AZ Date Reviewed: January 26, 1999
Bottom Line:
Trek seemed to really put alot of thought into this bike. The lightweight ridgid frame and the high quality components make this bike a blast to ride with incredible acceleration. Shifting even under load is incredibly smooth and accurate and the braking system is extreemly effective under the most harsh conditions. I am absolutely impressed with this bikes performance and quality and would highly recommend this bike.
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Submitted by
DAve
a cross-country rider
from Boston, MA Date Reviewed: January 24, 1999
Bottom Line:
Just got this frame off this site. Rode it for the first time yesterday. Let me tell you it was really fast. And really light. The first thing that I noticed was how fast it accelerates. Very maneuverable and perfect. Best frame I have ever ridden.
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Submitted by
spdfrk
a downhiller
from ca Date Reviewed: January 12, 1999
Bottom Line:
OK... the judgement is in, this bike still kicks ass. Yeah, aluminum is a little harsh but the hydracoil is plush (rockshox customer service sucks!) the seat post takes the edge of stuff. The 9 speed is ok, getting used to it. the bike is a good, light, fun bike. I'm still up in the air about the tires. The hayes is the best, spend a couple $$$$$$ more and get the rear disc too. This bike is cool, not a HT racer, not a full on bomber, not a free-ride bike... just a little of all!
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SPDFRK
a
from downhiller Date Reviewed: November 30, 1998
Bottom Line:
I bought this bike a couple of days ago... no complaints so far. Used to going mach 5 on a FS DH bike so I have to get used to a hardtail. You can't get a better deal on a bike, the hayes kicks ass! five chillies so far!
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