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    Submitted by Scott a from San Anselmo, CA
    Date Reviewed: April 14, 2008
    Duration Product Used:6 months
    Price Paid: $175.00
    Strengths:Comfortable fit, stiff, one hand tightening, seem very durable.
    Weaknesses:Sole too hard/slippery, inside bottom cushion too thin.
    Similar Products Used:Various Shimano shoes.
    Bottom Line:I heard the hype about them from buddies, so opened the wallet to see if it was true. The fit, stiffness and tightening system is indeed better than the various Shimano shoes I've owned. They seem durable so far, but haven't used them long enough to credibly opine on that yet...but will give them benefit of doubt in my value rating.

    The problem: The sole is way too hard to do any hike-a-bike walking over slippery or rocky terrain. Many technical trails I ride have the occasional sections where you have to get over a steep rock face or other impassable natural barrier, and these shoes are downright sketchy in those somewhat slippery terrain situations compared to my old Shimananos. I see no reason why they couldn't use slightly softer (but still durable) rubber on the bottom vs. the hard plastic they use. This plastic belong more on roadie shoes.

    Also, the inside padding underneath foot is very thin, which makes them uncomfortable to when walking in over uneven terrain. I'll try to find a thicker pad to solve that.

    Biking shoes are clearly meant for riding in, not walking--but in all mountain-type riding there are inevitably some situations when you need to walk a little, and need walk with some traction. These shoes fail miserably there.

    However, I'm still (barely) giving them 4 chilis...since I fortunately ride a lot more than I walk, and I wouldn't trade them for any other shoes I've owned...due to the all important "fits like a glove" factor. These are probably great for pure XC riders/racers, but AM riders should at least consider the weaknesses before biting.
    Value Rating:4Overall Rating:4

    Submitted by marshall S a Weekend Warrior from SLC, UT, USA
    Date Reviewed: September 21, 2007
    Favorite Trail:Park City Area Trails
    Duration Product Used:1 Year
    Price Paid: $140.00
    Purchased At:LBS
    Strengths:Comfort, durability, breathability
    Weaknesses:Debri will stick around rachet and you can't open until you clear out the stick, weeds, etc.
    Similar Products Used:Many - but these are the best
    Bike Setup:Giant VT and Bianchi Giro
    Bottom Line:Great shoes, I got a deal on these and I had heard so much about them that I had to buy them. I love these shoes, I use them for both road and mtn and they work great. Mine are the Dom ventilator, which really works, especially here where the summers get very hot.

    I've also ridden them on very wet, muddy days and was concerned how they would clean up and dry out, but with a little TLC, they are fine. Looking forward to many more years with these shoes.

    Other than the rachet occassionally getting debri stuck in them, I've got no complaints. In fact, I highly recommend them. Don't spend your money on another "made in... shoes, save up and go for the best.
    Value Rating:4Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by Scott Urban a Cross Country Rider from Bozeman Montana USA
    Date Reviewed: May 16, 2007
    Favorite Trail:Garnet/History Rock/fire creek
    Duration Product Used:More than 3 years
    Price Paid: $180.00
    Purchased At:cycle path bikes (East Hampton)
    Strengths:They last forever (9seasons),fit like glove,and you CAN hike a bike in them.
    Weaknesses:No real weakness, but if i had to come up with one i'd say they aren't the best hiking shoe, but i won't trade for em for anything!
    Similar Products Used:Lake shoes
    Bike Setup:Hardtail, XTR, fox talus RLC, SPD
    Bottom Line:The best shoes on the market period, i my view
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by John a Cross Country Rider from Birmingham, AL
    Date Reviewed: May 14, 2007
    Favorite Trail:The dirt one
    Duration Product Used:More than 3 years
    Price Paid: $220.00
    Purchased At:LBS
    Strengths:Comfort, durability, performance.
    Weaknesses:Kind of pricey but you get what you pay for. The ratchet on the newer model is a little troublesome but not a big problem.
    Similar Products Used:Time, Answer, Shimano
    Bike Setup:Soma hardtail, Marzocchi Fork, Sram X9, XTR crank, Avid BB7 brakes, WTB hubs w/Sun rims, Time-Race Face-Dean-Selle Italia-WTB bits & pieces. It's blue, it rides great and I like it.
    Bottom Line:The Dominator is a great product. My first pair, Dom 2's, were purchased in 1997-98 can't remember. Bomber shoe, no complaint at all, ratchet mech worked like a charm throughout their life. After 7 years the toebox started to delam and the crowning blow cam from a rock finally opening them up. My current pair, Dom 5's, are going strong after 2 years or so. The ratchet is a little troublesome but I've never been stuck in them. You just have to hold you tongue right, come on, you're a mountain biker, don't be a sissy. As for sole durability, mine have held up famously. I ride 6 hours a week minimum and they seem pretty durable to me. My first pair went through the 24 hrs of Canaan 2 (or 3?) times. I've pushed up trails at Pisgah NC and stood at more rocky "spots" than my pickled mind can remember. The soles are tough. They are slippery as hell on wet rocks & roots but they aren't trail shoes, they're race shoes but they're so durable I'll forgive them that. I suspect those with big durability complaints need to ride more & walk less. Stay away from the high end Sidi SRS models unless you want to fork out $40+ bucks a month as those thing wear like they're made of play-do.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by Scott Marlow a Cross Country Rider from Seattle
    Date Reviewed: June 19, 2006
    Duration Product Used:1 Year
    Price Paid: $130.00
    Purchased At:SuperGo
    Strengths:fit adjustments
    Weaknesses:buckle fastening system, narrow and slick tread
    Bottom Line:If you plan to race and never get off your bike, these shoes might be great. Try getting off your bike for any hike-a-bike sections and you'll immediately regret your purchase.

    I bought these shoes because they tightened around my low-volume feet. However, the tread is so narrow that walking any distance is a course in Try Not To Roll Your Ankles. Plus, even with toe spikes, the tread does not adhere to any surface whatsoever; they even tend to deflect off my Shimano SPDs when jumping on the bike.

    Mine are being eBayed.
    Value Rating:1Overall Rating:1

    Submitted by Lance Risi a Cross Country Rider from Parker, Colorado, USA
    Date Reviewed: March 13, 2005
    Favorite Trail:Buff Creek
    Duration Product Used:2 Years
    Price Paid: $160.00
    Purchased At:Don't Remember, local Bike shop in NJ.
    Strengths:Great fit! Easy to adjust while riding. Nothing appears to be worn out yet.
    Weaknesses:Buckle gets stuck a lot when trying to open it, especially after a muddy ride. Price. Even when I was in Italy, I could not find a decent deal on the shoes. Also, would like to see some other colors other than black. Ok...so I shouldn't have said that.
    Similar Products Used:Shimano, Specialized.
    Bike Setup:Trek Fuel 100 03
    Bottom Line:Can't wait to buy my next pair. Up until I got my new bike it was m favorite piece of MTB equipment.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:4

    Submitted by Kevin a Cross Country Rider from Spokane WA USA
    Date Reviewed: November 20, 2004
    Favorite Trail:that one over there
    Duration Product Used:More than 3 years
    Price Paid: $180.00
    Purchased At:performance?
    Strengths:Comfort, durability, quality. A very comfortable, stiff cycling shoe. Very easy to adjust fit while riding. Quick drying and very breathable. Kinda obnoxious looking.
    Weaknesses:Kinda obnoxious looking. Not a stand alone winter shoe.
    Similar Products Used:Nike, Shimano.
    Bike Setup:S-Works M5 Hardtail. Duke XC Race. XTR/Easton/Panaracer/Look. Serious XC.
    Bottom Line:I have not had any issues with breaking buckles, buckles coming loose etc. I also see that people are having a tough time walking in them. I lube the buckles twice a year. Condition the leather about twice a year. I rinse them off after nasty rides and beat the hell out of them while riding. They have made it through winters in NE WA and PDX OR, summers in Central WA, Moab UT and Seattle WA. Have had to replace no parts on the shoes, even after my puppy chewed on them, poor ratchet strap. Have taken them to the local shoe repair to have the tears sewn up to prevent them from growing. Velcro still closes, buckles still hold tight and soles still climbing. Remember that these shoes are not hikers, keep that in mind until you learn to ride over the stuff. I have walked quite a ways in these and still have tread, the cleat doesn't hit the ground when walking. So beat em up, treat em right and they will last a lifetime. Please note that I am only now thinking of getting new shoes, Sidi Dragons, only because I am getting made fun of in my old timer shoes.
    I'm glad that I ponied up the dough after only going through 2 other brands befor finding these. Both of my previous shoes didn't last me 1 full season. Nike suffered a broken shank, and the Shimanos lost their soles.
    Not for huckers, DH or anyone that spends more time pushing their bike than riding it. If you want great energy transfer from foot to pedal, buy something similar to my old, loyal, comfortable SIDI DOMINATORs.

    Pictures available for product condition.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by Phillip a Cross Country Rider from North Carolina
    Date Reviewed: February 3, 2004
    Duration Product Used:1 Year
    Purchased At:jensonusa.com
    Strengths:they are comfy and look cool. chicks always ask questions about em when i wear them
    Weaknesses:dont come with toe spikes these are essential. the velcro sucks mine doesnt function after a little over a year of riding them. granted i ride alot but for a 220$ pair of shoes the velcro shoulda lasted alot longer than it has
    Similar Products Used:nike
    Bike Setup:S-Works its light
    Bottom Line:pretty stupid they havent lasted as long. I would get another pair maybe the actions with the non velcro but i am pretty pissed about them fawking up the way they did. and i think they should come with toe spikes. uh.... they fit good
    Value Rating:3Overall Rating:1

    Submitted by Tim a Racer from Arlington, VA
    Date Reviewed: December 14, 2003
    Favorite Trail:any fast singletrack
    Duration Product Used:1 Year
    Strengths:Great fit, sneaker-like comfort, stiff sole.
    Weaknesses:The buckle. It sometimes slips when I try to get it super tight, but not a big deal. After muddy rides the buckle gets seriously stuck, can't release it. But the fix is simple -- just push down on the strap while pushing down on the buckle, works every time. I've heard rumors about the sole wearing out fast, but I will ride almost anything so it's not a problem for me. Buy the SRS (replaceable sole) version if you do a lot of walking.
    Similar Products Used:Specialized mtb shoes, Diadora road shoes
    Bike Setup:I use these for cross-country mtb racing, commuting, and road racing (w/ eggbeater pedals on each bike)
    Bottom Line:These shoes are da bomb! Even with the minor buckle problems this shoe is worth every penny. I use it on all of my bikes, my road shoes are now collecting dust, these are so much better.
    Value Rating:4Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by Rob a Cross Country Rider from Charleston, WV
    Date Reviewed: November 25, 2003
    Favorite Trail:almost every dirt trail
    Duration Product Used:6 months
    Price Paid: $140.00
    Purchased At:Nashbar
    Strengths:sweet fit, extremely comfortable, good looks
    Weaknesses:cost, durability (premature tread wear & faulty ratcheting buckle)
    Similar Products Used:Shimano mid level shoes, Nike casual/ rec. rider shoes
    Bike Setup:'03 Marin Mt Vision, SID fork, mostly XT bike, eggbeaters, maxxis tires
    Bottom Line:These are the Sidi Dominator 4s ( which do not have the SRS ) I bought these since I heard the fit was superb, and I got a good deal. Well, fit is superb, but the shoe falls short in many respects. Tread has worn down very fast (for only 6 months)and gives poor traction on wet surfaces and WET roots, which is all we had this racing season in WV. Buckles don't seem to be ratcheting that well, feels as if it will break if I tighten it too much.

    I do a fair amount of technical climbs,hike a bike climbs, and descents that I need to unclip here and there, but don't consider it to be excessive for the average rider. After 6 months the soles show considerable wear. I walked/hiked through much more rocky, tough terrain last 1.5 years with much less expensive Shimanos and had little wear, so I know the terrain shouldn't be beating up the bottoms like they have. Poor material.

    Ok, I see why SIDI now has the Sole Replacement System ( I heard $40 for new sole lugs ) but shoot, should you really have to replace it every year? Seems to make more sense to take your chances with buying mid line mtb shoes every season for roughly $80 if you shop around. Most will last longer than that!!

    Bottom line: If you have lots of $$, never unclip while riding rocky hills, don't need good traction while walking or jogging through sloppy east coast mtb trails (what you can't ride of course) you should buy these shoes because they fit great and are very comfortable.

    I'm on the lookout for another pair of mtb shoes, since I know these will have little tread by next season. I will be happy just using these with my road bike since that eliminates some of the problems.
    Value Rating:2Overall Rating:2

    Submitted by Dirk a Cross Country Rider from Mishawaka, IN, US
    Date Reviewed: October 13, 2003
    Duration Product Used:1 Year
    Price Paid: $150.00
    Purchased At:JensonUSA.com
    Strengths:Looks, namebrand, fits like a glove, stiffness, easy entry - unbeatable, durability, small (not clumsy), protects feet
    Weaknesses:Very slippery on wet rocks.
    Similar Products Used:Cheap Scott
    Bike Setup:Ellsworth Truth - decked to the max
    Bottom Line:This is for the Dom 4.

    Buy this shoe if you have the money. No regrets. Sidi from now on. BTW, my buckle is in perfet working order after many hours of abuse. I ride in very rocky trails and have hit the buckle hard countless times. No problems.

    Sidi makes bada$$ motocross boots also.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by Chuck Caffarella a Cross Country Rider from Sudbury, MA
    Date Reviewed: October 10, 2003
    Favorite Trail:Mt. Misery
    Duration Product Used:Less than 1 month
    Purchased At:123bikes.com
    Strengths:Fit great, no pressure points, supportive.
    Weaknesses:None.
    Similar Products Used:Other Sidi shoes including road cycling and motorcycling Race Vertebrae's (excellent high speed crash protection).
    Bike Setup:2004 Intense Spider - red, Progressive 5th Element Air, Fox F100X, full '03/'04 XTR with hydro and discs, Chris King Nothreadset (rasta), Thomson Elite stem and seatpost, Easton MonkeyLite bars with ODI Ruffian grips and lock jaws, WTB Laser V Ti saddle, M959 pedals, XTR M965 Wheelset, Continental Vertical Pro 2.3 UST tubeless front tire, Continental Explorer Pro 2.1 UST tubeless rear tire, Ringle skewers, Cateye Cordless 7.
    Bottom Line:Superb fit. The classy italian shoes are a touch wider in the toe box than my Sidi road shoes. Black color doesn't show dirt. Microlock buckle allows on-the-fly adjustment. Velcro toe and arch straps provide good support. Soft yet durable, non-marring sole allows you to walk on hardwood floors without damaging them. Sidi offers replacement parts. Retail price is a bit high, but Sidi really does make the best quality shoes. I've still got a pair of road cycling shoes from 10 years ago and they still look great. And, nothing has ever gone wrong with them.
    Value Rating:4Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by sf-rider a Cross Country Rider from SF
    Date Reviewed: August 22, 2003
    Favorite Trail:Tamarancho
    Duration Product Used:Less than 1 month
    Price Paid: $190.00
    Purchased At:Local shop
    Strengths:They are the most comfortable shoe I've worn. They feel like sneakers -- i drive my car wearing them.
    Weaknesses:I've been having the worst trouble releasing the buckle after riding (now you know why i drive with them). I ride hard, but I can't believe the buckle is already getting stuck.

    The worst part is that I just read their warrany card and it says clearly that, "There is no warranty on SIDI mechanical closure systems.
    Similar Products Used:Northwave & Nike
    Bike Setup:Ano Blur w/ XTR Pedal
    Bottom Line:Its been just over 3 weeks and they are falling apart. Only give it a shot if you catch them on sale or if SIDI decides to back their buckles. I might try the Shimano's -- their buckle looks more sturdy & durable.
    Value Rating:1Overall Rating:2

    Submitted by Seth Burke a Cross Country Rider from Athens, OH, USA
    Date Reviewed: July 15, 2003
    Favorite Trail:Damn if I Know (Sedona, AZ)
    Duration Product Used:1 Year
    Price Paid: $175.00
    Purchased At:Downieville Outfitters
    Strengths:Feel light, not much heel slop
    Weaknesses:For 190 retail, these shoes have the thinnest, non support giving insoles imaginable. Not to mention the ratchet system that SUCKS!! I've had these Dominator 4's for less than a year and have already broken both buckles, the sole is gone, and the front is falling apart. I ride hard, but c'mon. My first and only other shoes were a 70$ pair of Answer Speeders that lasted nearly 4 years, and didn't have half of the problems of these. I tried to get a hold of Sidi through their US distributor (Valtec Sports) unsuccessfully, although they sent me two catalogs for my two emails. C'mon guys this is one of the most expensive shoes on the market and you're not gonna back it up.....how lame!!! Skip the Sidi's now known as Sucki's and buy a cheaper, REAL pair of shoes. These are meant for roadies!!!
    Similar Products Used:Answer Speeder's
    Bike Setup:Trek hardtail w/ 100mm Bomber, and full XT. Trail bike deluxe.
    Bottom Line:These things SUCK. I don't call them Sucki's for nothing. I broke the buckles in less than 6 months, and have been duct taping them since. They don't back up their products!! 190$ doesn't mean squat except for you're a sucker!!
    Value Rating:1Overall Rating:1

    Submitted by Ted a Weekend Warrior from Los Altos, CA
    Date Reviewed: June 14, 2003
    Favorite Trail:Any
    Duration Product Used:Less than 1 month
    Price Paid: $160.00
    Purchased At:LBS
    Strengths:Comfortable and easily adjustable.
    Weaknesses:Not good for walking on wet rocks.
    Similar Products Used:AXO Terra
    Bike Setup:Spec FSRxc
    Bottom Line:I am amazed at how comfortable these shoes are. I even had some problems with them and still would not give them up.

    The short story: When I tried them on at the LBS one of the buckles fell off. The store guy locktited them in and I was off. A week later one of the buckles broke off at the screw. I did not want to give up the shoes so I called Veltec Sports (Sidi distributor in US) and they quickly agreed to send new buckles. They said the old plastic is melted by Locktite! I waited a week to get the buckles and used duct tape to keep the shoes on. The other buckle also broke off at the screw. The new buckles came with slightly longer screws and are supposed to be Locktite tolerant. No problems so far.
    Value Rating:4Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by Shappy a Cross Country Rider from Collingwood, Ontario, Can
    Date Reviewed: February 15, 2003
    Duration Product Used:1 Year
    Strengths:very durable, and form fitting, with good cleat adjustment
    Weaknesses:I like everything about this shoes, but the sole is too hard, especially when riding in colder weather. When trying to walk, or run, over rocks, in tech sections, it can get very slick. ---They need more grip. Also, after a year the leather is dried out and not as flexible as it was, but with some leather treatment it should be okay.
    Similar Products Used:Shimano shoes
    Bike Setup:Rocky Instinct
    Bottom Line:These fit like a glove with great adjustments. Extremely durable and they look great. If only the sole was made with a softer rubber they would have more grip on the rocks. Even if the sole did not last as long, I would be willing to sacrifice. These shoes are also very expensive.
    Value Rating:2Overall Rating:3

    Submitted by Anonymous Gerbil a Weekend Warrior from Houston
    Date Reviewed: January 12, 2003
    Duration Product Used:Less than 1 month
    Price Paid: $145.00
    Purchased At:JensonUSA.com
    Strengths:They fit my feet; no garish neon colors like red, yellow or orange. Thank the biking gods that a high-quality MTB shoe manufacturer still makes shoes in basic black. Stiff - for pedaling power transfer.
    Weaknesses:Price ? Then again, you get what you pay for. Kinda hard to walk in - but I guess thats the whole point - to encourage you to ride through trail obstacles rather then weasel out and walk over them.
    Similar Products Used:Demoed shoes from lots of different makers before settling on these.
    Bottom Line:Demoed Pearl Izumi, Nike, Canondale, Specialized, Carnacs, Shimano, Diadora, DMT, and couple of others I cannot remember. But I just kept coming back to the Sidis. All the others simply just did not feel right on my feet. With the Sidis, often times forget that they are even on and sometimes make the mstake of driving my car in them! The ratchet mechanism is great for microadjustments. The soles are very stiff.

    Also, I am running eggbeater pedals and I have not had to shave or trim the soles in order for them to work properly.

    Highly recommend that you at least demo these shoes.
    Value Rating:4Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by Versun Jetericks a Cross Country Rider from Nevada
    Date Reviewed: December 10, 2002
    Favorite Trail:any mountain bike trail
    Duration Product Used:2 Years
    Strengths:durability
    Weaknesses:price and they stretch to much
    Similar Products Used:shimano shoes
    Bottom Line:Yes, these shoes fit well and are incredibly durable however, they stretch way to much in the hot dry weather. Lorica is way better than leather when it comes to streching but, it's not perfect. I'll usually ride for ten minutes then have to tighten the ratchet a couple of clicks to get the fit I want. On long rides I'll have the shoes four or five clicks tighter at the end of the ride than I had at the begining. It's nice to have the ratchet system because it's easier to tighten while ridding than velcro. When they invent a shoe textile that doesn't stretch I'll buy that but, until then, I'll have to settle for a Sidi.
    Value Rating:3Overall Rating:3

    Submitted by Paul a Cross Country Rider from San Mateo, CA
    Date Reviewed: November 30, 2002
    Favorite Trail:Skeggs
    Duration Product Used:Less than 1 month
    Price Paid: $200.00
    Purchased At:Summit Bikes, Burlingame
    Strengths:Fit, stiffness and ease of putting on.
    Weaknesses:The Ratchet buckle!@!!!@!@!@!
    Similar Products Used:Replaced my old shimanos.... no problem with those shoes in the three years I had them until the sole fell off last week....
    Bike Setup:Kona Bear delux.
    Bottom Line:I really like the fit and feel of these shoes... HOWEVER.. I have a huge complaint... The ratchet system needs to be more solid. After my first ride, wich was just around the neighborhood, I removed my shoes and put them in the back of my car. The next day I went to go for a real ride, only to find that the ratchet on my left shoe was gone because the screw fell out. Luckily I found it where I removed my shoes.. I reinstalled the ratchet on BOTH shoes with locktite. Well, I rode one more time and then today I went to go out and when I tightened the ratchet it just snapped in two where the screw goes into the boot. I ended up riding with duck tape holding the top strap on. I have emailed sidi and requested to have a new set of ratchets sent to me at no charge since I just bought these things less then one week ago.. I will follow up this post after I see what the SIDI customer support is like. I have to axe some chillis off because of this huge inconvienece.


    Value Rating:2Overall Rating:2

    Submitted by Chris a Cross Country Rider from UK
    Date Reviewed: October 22, 2002
    Duration Product Used:More than 3 years
    Price Paid: $90.00
    Purchased At:flying ball
    Strengths:Excellent, comfortable and stiff. Mine were the original multihued jobs and I loved 'em, raced, general riding touring perfect
    Weaknesses:Rachet system strap broke of when fastening...... mind you they were 11(eleven) years old
    Similar Products Used:Gaerne
    Bike Setup:Spec Enduro Comp and Spec Stumpjumper
    Bottom Line:The best. Gaernes were a good price but Velcro stay tight. Buy 'em, they'll last for years. (get black then you can clean with ordinary shoe polish, they look really smart!)
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by Keefe a from Dover, NJ
    Date Reviewed: September 17, 2002
    Favorite Trail:Ringwood
    Duration Product Used:6 months
    Price Paid: $160.00
    Purchased At:speedgoat
    Strengths:Fits perfect, Mega size. Plenty of toe room.
    Weaknesses:Rachet system may be a bit bulky, Wacks a lot of rocks.
    Similar Products Used:Nike super narrows
    Bike Setup:XC
    Bottom Line:Excellent shoe, Feels perfect for my foot. Soft leather stuff on top and stiff stuff on bottom make for a perfect shoe. I had speedgoat sent a couple of pairs for fit and returned narrower pairs.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by Doug a Cross Country Rider from Grand Priarie
    Date Reviewed: September 12, 2002
    Favorite Trail:Ceder Hill, Horeshoe Trail
    Duration Product Used:6 months
    Price Paid: $125.00
    Purchased At:bitz4bikes.com on ebay
    Strengths:Nice stiff sole and the leather is very comfortable. The ratchet system will keep your foot in the shoe.
    Weaknesses:None so far.
    Similar Products Used:None. New to clipless.