Description:It just doesn't get any better than this for a cross-country wheelset. If you're planning to use the new Shimano XTR disc brakes, this could be the wheelset for you.
Submitted by
batvette
a Cross Country Rider
from san diego Date Reviewed: September 15, 2008
Favorite Trail:
I like trail mix too
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Price Paid:
$600.00
Purchased At:
new on ebay
Strengths:
light weight look good
Weaknesses:
need frequent truing (and lbs doesn't have the tool)
Similar Products Used:
formula
Bike Setup:
ti hardtail morati xtr boones judy xl conti gatorskins
Bottom Line:
No regrets they look pricey (cuz they are) while some say they are not was light as they could be they are still very light but that's not as important as the inverted nipple spoke design, which reduces the amount of force required to get them up to speed- this really works for climbing and accelerating. Of course the downside to that is that same lack of centrifigul force or inertia means you don't "carry" speed through transitions or coasting but since those instances are less intense for pedalling it's a good tradeoff. I don't have any noise problems, Shimano xtr discs with avid cable brakes. They are stiff but require truing and dent rather easily, but I wanted light and that was the compromise.
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Submitted by
mike1560
a Cross Country Rider
from atlanta Date Reviewed: August 19, 2008
Favorite Trail:
ga
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$600.00
Purchased At:
craig's
Strengths:
good looking, pretty strong
Similar Products Used:
crossrides
Bike Setup:
truth, xtr
Bottom Line:
I weigh 185 and only had to true once from a blowout. havent experienced the noise problem other mentioned. sweet wheels
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Submitted by
Peter Criss
a Cross Country Rider
from GUAM, USA Date Reviewed: February 23, 2008
Favorite Trail:
Crooms
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Weaknesses:
Noise
Bottom Line:
The last reviewer is correct about the noise problem, and part of the solution. The reason the noise occurs when you’re not braking in because the pads are still contacting the rotors. As stated use an anti-friction coating on the back of the pads, and take the glaze off the surface of the rotors. To do this just pick up some Rollocs and light resurface the both sides of the rotors. You will see dramatic improvement in braking performance and the noise.
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Submitted by
weekend wacko
a Cross Country Rider
from el segundo, ca 90245 Date Reviewed: August 18, 2007
Favorite Trail:
sullivan ridge/backbone
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Purchased At:
200.00
Strengths:
xtr is always great stuff
Weaknesses:
stickers
Similar Products Used:
crossmax sl chris kings
Bike Setup:
giant trance 1 and trek fuel oclv with full xtr, and fox f100rl
Bottom Line:
those of you with howling brakes should not blame it on the rotors nor the calipers nor the wheelset. It is caused by friction and pads vibrating at a high speed. Ever run your finger over a crystal wine glass? It is the exact same concept. The fix: stop the vibration by removing brake pads and applying grease lightly to the back of the pads. Not the pads of course. If you dont have steady hands apply to the magnet on the piston. You dont need much. Smooth it around then reinstall pads and ride. Make sure no grease got on the pads and clean the rotor thoroughly. Go ride and ride hard!!!!!
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Steve Remillard
a Cross Country Rider
from Colorado Springs Date Reviewed: September 27, 2006
Favorite Trail:
Palmer Loop Trail (Close by)
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$999.00
Purchased At:
Beyond Bikes
Strengths:
This review is for the M975 XTR wheels. Light Weight, well made, easy to mount tubeless tires.
Weaknesses:
Expensive
Similar Products Used:
CrossMax and many others.
Bike Setup:
Yeti 575 I am building up for endurance racing. Fox Float 130RLC fork, M-952, 960, 975 XTR components, Fox RP3 shock, Weirwolf UST tires, Easton Monkeylite handlebar, Fizik Aliente saddle, Thompson Masterpiece seatpost, M-959 pedals.
Bottom Line:
Just got these wheels yesterday and thought I would get a real world weight out on the web. Front Wheel (no skewer): 721 gr, Skewer= 55gr Rear Wheel (no skewer): 847 gr, Skewer= 60gr TOTAL: 1568 gr. They are advertised as 1525 grams for the set, but a 43 gram difference isn't bad. In my experience, wheelsets are rarely as light as advertised. The valley in the rim is deeper than my Crossmax wheels and that makes it easier to mount tires on these wheels. Also, the rim on the XTR rims is about 1/16th of an inch wider (OD), than the 2002 Crossmax wheels, so Shimano didn't sacrifice tire stability by going to a narrow rim. I will repost after I get a few rides in on these. I will give 5 chilis for now, because of the build quality and light weight.
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Submitted by
Trey Sloan
a Cross Country Rider
from Denver Date Reviewed: May 29, 2006
Favorite Trail:
Kenosha Pass to Georgia Pass
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$450.00
Purchased At:
Wheat Ridge Cyclery
Strengths:
I've already submitted a review for these wheels. Everything I said previously still applies- noisy but fun and good lookin'.
I just wanted to post that for those of you who bought these wheels after November 2005 may have wheels that are part of a voluntary recall. Shimano hasn't put anything up on their US site, but you can find information on their European site here: http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/cycle/seh/nl/en/news___info/voluntary_recall.html
Weaknesses:
Apparently the skewers on the front wheel can be a little bit "fail-y" so it's worth checking into.
Bottom Line:
See my previous review for my thoughts on performance, I just wanted to post the link to the voluntary recall since Shimano isn't mentioning it on their US Web site.
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Submitted by
Pete Hall
a Racer
from Caledonia Mi Date Reviewed: May 21, 2006
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Strengths:
Stiff, good looking, Ti skewers, low rim weight, tubeless
Weaknesses:
not that light actually for a racing wheelset (1650 grams for a racing wheel? come on shimano) that damned resonation sound, if its not happening when your not on the brakes, its happening when you are grapics come off to easy for a $850 price tag
Similar Products Used:
Mavic Crossmax SL (Disc and Rim), Bontrager Race X Lite Disc, several combinations of hubs and mavic rims (Dt Swiss 240 and Mavic 317 was the best)
Bike Setup:
wheels used on Specialized Epic, Giant XTC, Giant NRS, and Gary Fisher AC/DC hardtail (resonation on all frequently except the Epic, dont know why)
Bottom Line:
I like these wheels sometimes, the rest of the time I absoultly hate them. I like them when they aren't making some kind of noise from the rotor (which is rare), and I hate them when there are (which is often). I was disapointed in the weight of the wheel, they may be a bit lighter than crossmax sl discs but are still a bit hefty for a racing wheel (the r in xtr stands for racing you know). there are lighter prebuilt wheels out there (bontrager race x light) than these, and they dont cost as much. I would recomend building up a wheelset with light hubs and rims of your choice with wheelsmith spokes (great spokes). It will be sigificantly lighter. But anyway, they are stiff side to side and thats nice and look good to. I would just have a hard time recomending these wheels to many people (even nonracers) b/c of the resonation problems (I even tried xt rotors and would still get noise). Look else where.
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Submitted by
Trey
a Cross Country Rider
from Denver Date Reviewed: May 16, 2006
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$450.00
Purchased At:
Wheat Ridge Cyclery
Strengths:
These wheels are light, surprisingly strong and they look really cool. These are great XC wheels but I think they'd be OK on trail bikes that don't have huge travel.
Weaknesses:
Even the XT rotors are noisy- I did my homework and avoided using the XTR rotors because of the screetching, but the XT's still make a lot of noise. I'm running Hayes brakes with Shimano rotors which might be the cause. I didn't go with the center-lock adapter by DT Swiss because it added extra $$ to the deal.
Similar Products Used:
Rolf Prima Dolomites
Bike Setup:
Trek Fuel 90, Fox Float 100r, Chris King headset, XT drivetrain
Bottom Line:
I got a great deal from WRC on these wheels because I bought last year's model in the dead of winter. I'm still a little stunned at the price. My value rating refers to the price I got, not the $850 MSRP.
I was half-expecting to put them on eBay after a couple rides and break even on the experiment but I'm keeping them. They're light, they're quick and they're plenty strong (I weigh a buck-fifty-something). I've ridden these babies hard at lower PSI than I'd ordinarily run and they've held up beautifully. They stay true.
I've seen a couple people suggest that you run these wheels with regular non-UST tires. I think that's asking for sidewall failure. UST tires have significantly stiffer sidewalls, which allow you to drain extra PSI and put more of the sidewall on the ground. While regular tires will work without tubes or rimstrips on these wheels, you should keep the PSI high and the sidewalls off the trail.
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Submitted by
chris bassam
a Cross Country Rider
from uk Date Reviewed: April 5, 2006
Favorite Trail:
Scolty
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Price Paid:
$650.00
Purchased At:
Merlin Cycles
Strengths:
Quite light, look good.
Weaknesses:
Stickers fell off, very noisey and buckle easy...pants.
The wheels look the dogs out of the box, but I'm 170lbs and these wheels go out of true easy. The stickers fell off and the brake were very noisey and vibrated. I run the Bonty Race Lights now which are much better. My XTR's have been ebay'd.
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Submitted by
john
a Weekend Warrior
from cerritos Date Reviewed: April 4, 2006
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Strengths:
Good looking wheels. very light.
Weaknesses:
I used the xtr rotors and it made terrible howling noise. Shimano should've had a recall in my opinion. Using the XT rotors solved the problem.
Bike Setup:
Ellsworth Truth, full XTR
Bottom Line:
What a nightmare. Howling noise on a $900 wheels. Shimano service wasn't that good either. This idiot at shimano gave me a hard time, he acted like I was the only person that had this problem. Only when I got the supervisor on the phone and started screaming and yelling, they were willing to offer some help.
Bottom line is Shimanos service could be much better and for the price their charging for these wheels, R&D at Shimano should've caught this problem or have a recall.
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Pete Hall
a Racer
from caledonia mi Date Reviewed: September 26, 2005
Favorite Trail:
Mt. Snow Norba XC Race Course
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Strengths:
light weight (especially at the rims so the moment of interia is less, thus they accelerate quicker than a rim with a heavier rim) pretty stiff side to side good looking grapics quality bearings ti skewers
Weaknesses:
Center lock limits rotor choice(but the shimano rotors are good and work with most brake systems) grapics come off kinda easy when used w/ the xtr rotors they have a tendency to resonate (loudly) when not braking
Similar Products Used:
mavic crossmax sl disc, crossmax disc (the black ones)
Bike Setup:
hardtail, hayes mag ti discs, xt rotors
Bottom Line:
These are some good wheels. light and pretty stiff, so good climbing perfomance. the center lock may limit rotor choice but the rotors work well with most other non shimano brake systems (which shimano wants you to believe that you can only use shimano brakes with the rotors and wheels) i use hayes mag ti brakes with mine with no i'll effects. good bearings spin for a long time and the ti skewers are light and cool factor. as for the resonation, it dosent occur on all wheels (i've only heard of like 3 cases while working at a bike shop as a wrench), it occurs when you are not braking and is reallly freaking annoying. I tired switching pads and such and nothing helped, i read on here to try xt rotors, so i tried it and it worked. not sure why but, just get the xt rotors and save your self a possible headache (they are only like 6 grams a piece heavier than the xtr rotors with the same braking performance). oh and i run stans with regular tires with no problems on these rims and have had little problems with it (besides some tires not fitting right and my own stupidity and forgetting to air up my tires and thus running like 15 lbs of pressure and then bupring all the air out of my tire). a good set of wheels. although if you weigh more than 190 lbs, i'd stay away, they are stiff but not stiff enough.
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Submitted by
Kev
a Cross Country Rider
from Sydney, NSW, Oz Date Reviewed: July 1, 2005
Favorite Trail:
Majura Pines
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$800.00
Purchased At:
LBS
Strengths:
These wheels are light weight. The 24 spoke radial lacing looks great! Also the decals look racey.... I reckon they are one of the best looking wheelsets around...
Weaknesses:
The decals come off way to easy... tad expensive
Similar Products Used:
WTB, Bontrager
Bike Setup:
Trek Fuel EX9, Fox Float RLC, XT groupset, Bonty Race X Lite Carbon bars and Seat post. Fizik Gobi Blue
Bottom Line:
These wheels are light and they look great on the trail. What else do you need??
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Submitted by
Bill
a Weekend Warrior
from Ridgewood, NJ Date Reviewed: November 28, 2004
Favorite Trail:
Ringwood, NJ
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$800.00
Purchased At:
Cosmic Wheel
Strengths:
light, rigid, splined rotor
Weaknesses:
Splined rotor, regularly go out of true, hard to true due to side pull and limited number of touch points
Similar Products Used:
Mavic CrossRoc UST (no problems)
Bike Setup:
Truth w/ XTR
Bottom Line:
While the perform well they have to be trued regularly. I'm 145 lbs and don't ride very hard and only once a week. I never had a problem with the Mavic's but these are constanly out of true. My LBS has a VERY experienced guy that does the wheels and he can't get them to set and hold true for more than a couple of months.
Many Mavic rims and Shimano hubs, Mavic Wheels (Crossmax, Crossride)
Bike Setup:
yes, it's setup
Bottom Line:
The bottom line is that this is the best XC wheel set money can buy! I have ridden these wheels for a year now and have never had to true them or replace anything. I have had some fairly hard crashes and consistent 3 foot drops (I once hit a small wall hard enough to blow some Stans No-tubes juice out of the sides of the tires and send me flying superman-style for a couple feet... didn't even faze these wheels!). I don't want to blab on and on about how great they are but I can't emphasize enough that the XTR wheels are flawless...period.
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Submitted by
Mark Forgy
a Racer
from Arvada, Colorado Date Reviewed: October 20, 2004
Favorite Trail:
Tipperary Creek
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$800.00
Purchased At:
Wheatridge Cyclery
Strengths:
Super light, super fast, strong with little to no lateral flex in the corners.
Weaknesses:
It's hard to find any except for the whole rotor issue. I'm another one who made the mistake of putting XTR rotors on these at first, then having to switch to XT to get away from the squeel.
Similar Products Used:
Bontrager Race Lite, Mavic 317's
Bike Setup:
2003 Rocky Mountain ETSX 50 with lots of added on goodies.
Bottom Line:
These are the best race wheels I've found yet. I still train on my Mavic's because I like to train heavy, race light. They have taken some real abuse (just last weekend turning five laps on the 24 hours of Moab course) and stay true. The design is unique and engineered well. I use Stan's and run fairly low pressure and haven't run into any dents or other problems. I weight 170# and these wheels hold up great even when pushing my bike to the very edge of its capabilities. They are a lot of money, but for a true hard core racer who is very gram conscious, this might be your next wheelset. My only concern is what happens if I break a spoke in a small town on a road trip (because they don't use normal spokes), so I guess I should get some spares, but to date, it hasn't happened.
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Submitted by
Anthony Adamksi
a Cross Country Rider
from Simi Valley, CA USA Date Reviewed: October 9, 2004
Favorite Trail:
Overlook trail Sycamore Canyon
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$650.00
Purchased At:
Ebay
Strengths:
Light, Strong and Cool Looking.
Weaknesses:
Forget the XTR rotors they will howel worse than a basset hound! The noise is relentless and you will have no friends on the trail.
Similar Products Used:
Mavic 217, 233.
Bike Setup:
Specialized Epic Comp upgraded to full XTR.
Bottom Line:
These are a "nice to have" upgrade to any cross country rig. They are light and very strong and the UST's are great. It was really disappointing to pull these out of the box install them and then listen to the wheels screatch. For the price that Shimano charges these wheels should pedal themselves. Do yourself a favor and buy the XT rotos they don't add much wait and solve the howling issue. Now my friends will ride with me again!
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Armando de Armas
a Cross Country Rider
from Long Beach, CA USA Date Reviewed: August 28, 2004
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$550.00
Purchased At:
e-bay
Strengths:
Light; Aesthetically pleasing
Weaknesses:
Rims dent & become ruined too easily!!!! Have ruined 2 rear hoops in 3 months. No support from Shimano; they said, "just go slow over rocks."
Similar Products Used:
Crossmax - much more reliable
Bike Setup:
Intense Spider, full XTR (except wheels now).
Bottom Line:
XTR wheels look nice and are light, but they are not worth the time and the frequent repair shop trips to relace the wheels to new hoops.
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Submitted by
John
a Weekend Warrior
from Chicago Date Reviewed: August 25, 2004
They ride fast, they're light. They lasted over 13mo of Michigan riding and they're still true. Hardly any wheel flex even when railing berms and leaning through turns. Mavic has some serious competition here.
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MICHAEL LAPKA
a Cross Country Rider
from BEL AIR, MARYLAND Date Reviewed: July 12, 2004
Favorite Trail:
CRACK HEAD BOB @FAIR HILL
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$800.00
Purchased At:
BLACK CAT BICYCLES
Strengths:
SUPER LIGHT, VERY STIFF AND EXCEPTIONALLY STRONG.
Weaknesses:
NON STANDARD SPOKES
Similar Products Used:
MAVIC CROSS MAX, SPINERGY CYCLONE
Bike Setup:
SANTA CRUZ SUPERLIGHT, XTR CRANKK, F DERAILLEUR AND WHEELS, XT DISC BRAKES, SRAM XO SHIFTERS AND R DERAILLEUR
Bottom Line:
THIS IS THE BEST WHEEL SET I'VE EVER USED. THEY ARE SUPER LIGHT YET CAN HANDLE A POUNDING. THEY EVEN SURVIVED A WEEK IN SEDONA AZ LAST JANUARY. I DID FIND THAT THE OLDER XTR ROTORS MADE AN AWFUL NOISE, BUT SWITCHING TO XT OR THE NEWER XTR DOES ELIMINATE THE PROBLEM. WHEELS ARE PERFECTLY TRUE EVEN AFTER A YEAR. THESE ARE PERFECT FOR RACING AND AGGRESSIVE TRAIL RIDING PLUS THEY ARE AMAZINGLY STRONG, SO THEY'LL HANDLE HEAVY RIDERS TOO (I'M 215LBS)
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Submitted by
flavia
a Weekend Warrior
from santa monica Date Reviewed: May 31, 2004
Favorite Trail:
still looking
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$700.00
Purchased At:
online
Strengths:
Lightweight, fast rolling, killer looking spokes, go faster stickers, UST compatable. Plus interesting little holes that let water & dirt in & out - but thankfully not air from my UST tires ...i guess that is a good feature - probably something to do with pressure release?
Weaknesses:
DO NOT USE THE XTR WHEEL WITH XTR ROTORS! Instead use the latest series XT rotors which weigh just 5g more than XTR - Co's the wheels (can) resonate & make the most awful howling noise When you are NOT braking - infact teh din stops when you apply your brakes!
Similar Products Used:
Mavic CrossMax SL UST
Bike Setup:
Prety much stock 03 Schwinn Moab DS1: + Selle Italia Trans-Am Lady Gel flow saddle, Shimano M965 wheels, XTR 12-34 cassette, Hutchinson Python UST Air Light tires.
Bottom Line:
After switching the rear rotor for an XT one - the wheels are terrific & braking is quieter than most disc brakes i've seen & used. They are lighter than 04 Cross Max & are very tuff & cool looking.....if you want to ride UST & don't eat alot of pies - these wheels might be for you!
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Submitted by
Thomas
a
from Malaysia Date Reviewed: May 1, 2004
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
KSH
Strengths:
Light and killer look. All XTR fans will certainly agree about this. Disc specific and Tubeless.
Weaknesses:
None yet.
Similar Products Used:
Mavic CrossMax
Bike Setup:
2001 GT Zaskar LE with Full 2003 XTR, Thomson Stem and post, Easton EC90 bar, Rockshox SID Team with remote lockout.
Bottom Line:
This is the first Disc UST wheel that I had owned, I notice that this XTR wheelset is much better than my old wheelset ( CrossMax) maybe the look is far more high tech and unique. But, I had a question about the wheelset and I had e-mail to Shimano to seek for answer but no joy! they didn't even feedback with any e-mail. what a company with the pour customer service. I wonder if the HQ in japan do the same level of customer service or not. My question is : Do you (XTR wheelset owners) notice that the XTR wheeelset's rim body had a hole at both side? what the hole are for? any special reason for it to be there? what I worried so much is that will the sand, water and dirt get into the hole. should I seal it off with tapes? any one out there can kindly help me to find out please. Thank you.
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Submitted by
Dog
a Cross Country Rider
from Los Angeles Date Reviewed: April 19, 2004
Favorite Trail:
Santa Monicas
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
Light fast wheelset
Weaknesses:
Break hum is unbearable. Shimano has horrible customer service.
Similar Products Used:
every other wheelset made.
Bike Setup:
Blur with full xtr, 5th element and Fox Float fork.
Bottom Line:
These wheels are great, but the sound is really bad and shimano gives the worst customer service imagineable. I have full xtr and full dura ace on my road bike and two sets of shimano wheels and FRANK in customer service gave me a ton of attitude when I expected them to help me with the noise and then he advised me to pay my LBS to have the tension increased on the spokes in these wheels. He wouldn't help me otherwise. If I had a better option, I wouldn't use shimano products anymore. If I were buying this bike again, I would go with Mavic wheels or some other option...
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John
a Racer
from Florida Date Reviewed: March 6, 2004
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Strengths:
Very lightweight and fast. Also very durable/ low maintenance. Killer hi-tech look that will complement any bike.
Weaknesses:
none at all.
Similar Products Used:
Original version Mavic Crossmax, Bontager Race Light, my own custom built wheels
These wheels are the best Ive used (and I have used many). I ride hard but am not hard on equipment. I've raced them in a number of 12 and 24 hour solo races in addition to using them in lots of urban MTB miles and training on the road. They see use almost every day. In the one year that I've been running these wheels not ONCE have I even touched them with the included spoke wrench. Thats a testament to their durability.
The performance is second to none as well. The UST compatibility is a nice feature as well. Until recently, I have been running regular tubes & standard tires, but recently converted over to tubeless. Its nice to have wheels that work equally well with both setups.
I have experienced a few rare instances of disc brake howl when the bike was new, but after everything broke in that no longer occured.
Bottom line....I highly reccommend these above any other wheel available for any high-end bike conneseur (as long as you already have or don't mind using Shimano's excellent Center Lock brake system)
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Rick E
a Racer
from Wisconsin Date Reviewed: December 25, 2003
Favorite Trail:
John Mur
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$500.00
Purchased At:
Ebay
Strengths:
Unbelevable rolling resistance, stiffest ever. easy to service. Just plain Fast as you can get.
Weaknesses:
Not cheap, but very worth it. Some people have been having problems with howling? noises, not me and i've been using for one year with 03 xtr disc rotors.
Similar Products Used:
king hubs/mavic 517, crossmax SL's
Bike Setup:
trek 9.8, fox f80 TIV, 03 xtr group.
Bottom Line:
Best wheelset i've ever used period, they just feel so much faster then my king/517 and crossmax Sl's. If you can afford em get em
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Alton Mays
a Cross Country Rider
from Pflugerville,TX Date Reviewed: December 19, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Comfort
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$689.00
Purchased At:
Performancebike
Strengths:
This wheelset is stiff,light and fast. Not to mention the killer looks.
Weaknesses:
None
Similar Products Used:
Crossmax Disc,American Classic
Bike Setup:
Spider XVP,03 XTR build kit,Continental Explorer Supersonic,EC70 seatpost and handlebar
Bottom Line:
This is a race wheelset. I have two sets for racing and trail riding. If your looking for a stiff efficient light wheelset. This is the wheelset for you. I challenge anyone to ride this wheelset and not turn around and purchase a set. Keep the rubber down........
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Submitted by
Gordon
a Cross Country Rider
from Brighton, Sussex, England Date Reviewed: December 12, 2003
$ 850.00
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