Submitted by
Chris King
a Weekend Warrior
from San Francisco Date Reviewed: June 5, 2007
Favorite Trail:
blue dots; Nederland, CO
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1400.00
Purchased At:
Used (Craigslist)
Strengths:
Simple, Clean design that performs well
Weaknesses:
Paint, Not all THAT light
Similar Products Used:
Mantis, Ibis Szazbo, Intense Tracer, FSR,
Bike Setup:
Fox RL 100, XT, Mavic 221 on Onyx hubs, Hayes HFX w/ 6" rotors, Easton CF post, Monkey lite bars
Bottom Line:
I purchased this used from the 2nd owner after drooling over my friends' full-squishy, disk-braked bikes on a long winter ride. The first ride took a few hours to dial-in the suspension and get used to the new riding style. Once I eased off the rear damping, the back end came alive and stayed glued when it needed to but lively enough to bunnyhop over rocks, roots, small children, etc. I noticed that the back-end does flex enough to notice, but that it didn't affect the bike's ability to track through turns or accelerate. Other reviewers have commented on the need for a lockout, but I've found that fork lockout assists in out-of-saddle climbing and sprinting more than the rear. The paint has chipped/is chipping in a number of areas, but it certainly doesn't impact the ride quality and it's actually fun to pass guys on shiny papmered bikes on a "beater". The frame (I think it's a '03) could use hydraulic-specific cable guides, but this is a minor gripe. The fork is noce, but I still prefer the feel of the Marzocchi Marathon I use on my hartail. Definitely not for the freeride set (that's what the Kona is for) but really makes long XC rides a pleasure going up and instills confidence going down. All in all, a plush, well-balanced ride with little more maintenance required than a hardtail.
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Submitted by
John Tannock
a Cross Country Rider
from Cherry Hill, NJ Date Reviewed: October 18, 2006
Favorite Trail:
the last one I rode...
Duration Product Used:
More than 3 years
Price Paid:
$1875.00
Purchased At:
Action Wheels, Woodbury, NJ
Strengths:
Probably the last MTB frameset I'll ever need. I bought the framset and components and the shop allowed me to build it in their shop with their guidance and accasional assistance (like installing the headset). I built it in May of '02 and have ride it often. As parts wore out, I replaced them with upgrades and now the only original parts still on the frame are the fork, rear shock, bottom bracket and crank arms. The bushings are original and solid. Not a bit loose. The bike handles like a hardtail, climbs way better than my legs will allow and like the Energizer Bunny, it keeps going, and going, and going...
Weaknesses:
None from my point of view.
Similar Products Used:
My first FS bike so none to compare to. Although, I have been told that if I rode a Blur, I'd not like the Superlight as much. So, I've resisted riding a Blur. What I don't know....
Bike Setup:
Marzzochi Xfly 100/Fox Float RC, Avid Mech. Disc brakes, FSA bars and stem, Mavic 223 Disc wheels/XT Hubs. Scram shifters/XO rear derauiler, XT front Derauiler, Race Face cranks/rings, WTB tires with Stans NOtubes setup, Oury Grips, XT seat post/Bontrager seat. Did I forget anything?
Bottom Line:
I haven't found one thing with this bike to be unhappy with. Notta. Nothing. I'd ride it to my grave. Maybe even have it buried with me. (;>)
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Submitted by
peter
a Cross Country Rider
from carlsbad, ca, US of A Date Reviewed: April 21, 2006
Favorite Trail:
anything with dirt
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$900.00
Purchased At:
private seller
Strengths:
simple/ strong design, sharp and predictable handling, light for a full suspension, good service from SC.
Weaknesses:
needs a LOT better rider!
Similar Products Used:
old Stumpjumper.
Bike Setup:
various
Bottom Line:
a dependable, do anything (within reason) trail/XC bike that's easy to ride. What more do you want? An outstanding deal I found in the MTB Review classifieds. Thanks! 5 nuclear powered chilis for the last bike I will ever need!
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Submitted by
Aaron Howard
a Racer
from Orlando Date Reviewed: November 26, 2005
Duration Product Used:
More than 3 years
Price Paid:
$1500.00
Purchased At:
LakeMaryCycles
Strengths:
Light, Fast, Predictable, great climber!!Reliable single pivot design.
Weaknesses:
Hmmmmm
Similar Products Used:
Ellsworth Truth
Bike Setup:
Xtr, Paul, FSA, Marzocchi, Thomson, King
Bottom Line:
Wonderful for the ultimate full suspension rider clean, simple and predictable are my thoughts on how the suspension works.
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Submitted by
Jeff
a Weekend Warrior
from Lakeville CT Date Reviewed: October 12, 2003
Duration Product Used:
More than 3 years
Price Paid:
$1200.00
Purchased At:
Speedgoat
Strengths:
Very well built. Light. Snappy acceleration and climbing, yet plush on the downhill. Reasonably priced for the outstanding quality. SC service.
Weaknesses:
A little flexy in the rear. Some pedal feedback in the granny.
Similar Products Used:
Lots of XC FS bikes. I currently ride a new Heckler.
Bike Setup:
It changed over the years. Started with `99 Superfly, RPM Lite wheels, Avid V's, 23" flatbar. Ended with X-vert super, hugi 240/VXC wheels, avid mech discs, hellbent riser.
Bottom Line:
This review is for my year 2000 frame.
I retired this frame a few weeks ago after over 3 years of riding, the last few rather hard riding. It is still in rock solid condition. Very scratched and worn looking, but completely true, and the main bearing is as solid and smooth as the day I bought it. I've done everything, including trips to the ski lifts, with this frame. It has outlived 2 wheelsets, and components too numerous to mention. This frame may be light, but it is well made and incredibly tough. FWIW, I'm about 180 lbs.
The Fox Float RC has never lost a pound of pressure. I bought the rebuild kit a year and a half ago, but I've never seen the point in using it. I have had to replace the reducer bushings that mount it to the frame twice, and DI inserts once. I don't think I paid more than $20 for all of this.
It is a high/forward single pivot design, so all of the pros and cons are pretty much true to some extent. The biggest advantage I noticed was the solid acceleration and climbing. The semiactive nature can work to your advantage in these situations. However, on granny gear climbs the feedback through the pedals on big bumps, such as roots, is anoying.
I ran my rear shock pretty low, and it was a plush ride, yet efficient. With the 70mm Superfly on the front, the bike was killer on tight singletrack. Going to the 105mm X-vert took some getting used to , and for the first year or so I had it reduced to 93mm. Over the last year I began riding more agressively, and I went to the full 105 for both the extra travel and the slacker head angle.
This bike has done it all for me. It rules for epic rides. I've used it at a DH area where I did not want to pay for the lift. The bike was awesome both up and down. The frame handled the abuse of DH'ing, although the geometry is not too condusive for that sort of stuff.
The frame has survived countless crashes, and outlasted most of the components it started with: numerous broken rear derailleurs, broken shifter, fried hydro disc brakes, two wheelsets, broken seat, broken seatpost, and 2 entire drivetrains. I did bend the deraileur hanger once. I got it straightened and it has been fine since then.
There are more sophisticated frames out there now, three years later, though I am interested to see how the new platform shocks work out with regard to single pivot bikes. It seems that they may breath new life into them. I just bought a Heckler, and the single pivot issues I had with the Superlight have been adressed between the pivot placement and the 5th element shock. I don't think the Superlight would be my first recomendation today (for xc the blur would be), but I highly recomend Santa Cruz as a company. Thier bikes are all well built,well designed, and reasonably priced (they are always being compared to bikes costing much more). I have been pleased with the service as well. Whenever I have had questions, they get back to me within the day.
The rear end was a little flexy, but I never found it that big of a deal. I hear the newer ones are a little better in that regard.
I always liked how quiet the bike was in rough terrain. No lingage to creak or rattle, and the elevated chainstay eliminated any chainslap.
This was a great bike.
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Submitted by
SWISS
a Cross Country Rider
from Boise Date Reviewed: June 3, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Hard Guy
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$950.00
Purchased At:
Speedgoat.com
Strengths:
Amazing climber Fantastic descender Great Santa Cruz customer service
Weaknesses:
narrow rear tire clearance (no more than a 2.1) inconvenient pivot bolt location cheap decals & no clear coat peeling paint at dropouts after 1 ride Fox Float RL shock is horrible twitchy DH handling with less than 100mm of front travel no rear disc brake cable routing guides no replaceable derailleur hanger
'02 powdercoated Superlight frame, '02 Fox Float RL shock, custom-built '01/'02/'03 Psylo XC fork, King headset, Race Face riser bar, Kore Elite stem, 410 Thomson post, Selle Italia Genuine Gel saddle, Race Face Turbine LP crankset and RF taperlock BB, Avid Mechanical disc brakes, XT/317 disc wheelset, Panaracer 2.1 Fire XC tires, Time pedals
Bottom Line:
This bike has converted me from a hartail-only retro-grouch into a firm believer that FS/XC is the way to go. First, the purchasing experience from Speedgoat was top-notch. One telephone call, free shipping, $950 for the frame and shock total! I first built the bike up with an older 80mm Zoke that I had used on my Gunnar hardtail for a couple of years, but after 2-3 rides, I realized that I needed something plusher on the front end to equal the nice plushness of the back of the bike. About the same time, I started having problems with air loss from the Fox shock. Took the bike to Moab in late March and was amazed at how well this bike climbs - I climbed more stuff, faster, and better than I ever did on a hardtail down there, and of course the downhills were faster and more comfortable too. The Fox shock has been returned once for the air loss problem, right after Moab, and seems to keep air pressure now, but now the lockout does not work on it. However, that's OK with me, because I never use the lockout - it climbs better with the shock activated. This bike is SOOOO fast on the downhills that I had to upgrade from rim brakes to disc brakes after the first months of riding. Various issues I have with the bike (which include the peeling powdercoat paint around the dropouts, the lack of a replaceable der. hanger, the narrow rear tire clearance, the need to tighten the pivot bolt every month - which requires removal of the crankset to get to the bolt, the lack of any cable guides for my rear disc brake) are far outweighed by how great this bike climbs and descends. I HATE the Fox shock (poor worksmanship and quality), but it will be replaced soon. A great first FS bike for me.
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Submitted by
andrew schank
a Weekend Warrior
from Richmond, CA Date Reviewed: June 1, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Wildcat Canyon/Tilden Parks
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$1600.00
Purchased At:
Solano Ave Cyclery
Strengths:
This bike is very impressive in many ways. As its name implies, it is very lightweight for a full suspension bike, several pounds lighter than others I tried. The ride quality is just right--not too squishy and not too harsh (when set up as recommended). I don't get any bob at all with the shocks set at 135 pounds front and 165 rear (my body weight)Climbs better than any bike I tried including hard suspension. I was able to ride up sections where I used to have to walk the bike. feels very strongly built-stable. Brakes well, corners well
Weaknesses:
original seat was marginal-had them swap it out for a fantastic WTB Rocket V. Original tires pretty useless as well (Mosquitoes) swapped those out as well.
Similar Products Used:
Giant NRS 1, 2 & 3. Trek Fuelly 98, Speciallizer Rock hopper and stump jumper FSR. Various hard tails
Bike Setup:
Stock "R" set up except for seat and tires
Bottom Line:
This bike exceeded all my expectations. Can't say too many things I've purchased in the past years have done that. I am able to enjoy going places my old hard suspension bike was miserable to be on. A 3 hour ride on this bike leaves me with energy left over. All the guys that work at Solano Ave Cyclery ride these Santa Cruz bikes, and that's what convinced me to give one a ride. It was $500 over my budget, but after several test rides, I scraped together the extra cash and I am glad I did. Highly recommended for cross country and single track riding.
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Submitted by
Steve
a Cross Country Rider
from colorado springs Date Reviewed: May 30, 2003
To afford frame, I built up with lower-end components (r-kit). Parts work well, but heavier, and will never impress component geeks
Similar Products Used:
Specialized Epic, Stumpjumper
Bike Setup:
R-kit, with Deore cranks, LX shifters, XT Rear Deraileur, Avid SD-7 brakes, WTB saddle, Bontrager rims, Easton EX-70 Riser Bars, Rock Shox Duke fork
Bottom Line:
First FS MTN Bike, so reviewed extensively, and rode numerous bikes including Epic, Blur, Stumpjumper. Wanted the Blur, but couldn't find it for under $2,000. Rode the Superlight (I had overooked it in search for the newest and coolest), and realized this was the perfect bike for me. I use the lockout frequently, as I often ride on the road to my trailrides, and it is no harder than shifting a gear. I also use the lockout on many smooth singletrack climbs, but go to suspended mode as soon as I get to sections with railroad tie steps, rocks, roots, or sharp drainage berms. The Superlight lets me stay clipped in and pedalling on a whole series of climbing sections I used to have to dismount and push on on my hardtail. The first time you conquer a technical climb that you have never successfully ridden before is worth the price of admission! I join the chorus of those 1st-time fully suspended owners who will never go back. With the lockout, you have a hard tail when you want to beat your best time up your favorite climb, with the Superlight in suspended mode however, your descents will be fast, fun, and in control. You may find your fingers more tired from braking effort though, as momentum builds very quickly. A physical price most riders will gladly pay, I'm sure. The thing I hadn't anticipated about the Superlight, however, is how much less effort you expend on fast, more or less level but bumpy rocky sections. As you transition from these sections to a climb, you will be snappier and fresher, since your legs haven't been building lactic acid working as shocks. In addition, you will be grinning from the experience of hearing the bumps, but not feeling them. This bike will make you faster and happier. That's good enough for me. One personal decision is to switch out the riser bars I was talked into for flat bars with bar ends. I am so wide on the risers, that I resent my 20 minutes of increased wind resistance as I ride on the road to the trail. It's just too different from my road and track bikes, and I don't care if risers are what "everybody is switching to". If the flat bars feel much better, I'll write a new review. We'll see. I give the Superlight 5 value chilis for a race-able fully suspended for under $2,000. Overall 5 chillis for excellence in all the things I care about in a mtn bike- weight, climbing ability, handling in singletracks, descending predicibility and control. A great bike for long-time hardtailers, racers or serious recreational riders who like to drop their buddies on climbs but also want to keep up with them on the descents.
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Submitted by
chris morse
a Cross Country Rider
from Pine Mountain, Ca, USA Date Reviewed: May 24, 2003
Favorite Trail:
whiplash
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2600.00
Purchased At:
Sniders Bike Shop
Strengths:
The Super Light is exactly what the name says, light. It handles like no other and can rail through corners like the big guys do. There is very minimal pedal bob.
Weaknesses:
The bottom bracket is kind of low and sometimes your feet will hit rocks. Howeveer, raising the bottom bracket will take away from the cornering ability.
Similar Products Used:
K2,Cannondale, Marin
Bike Setup:
FOX Float RL100, FOX AVA shock, Hayes Hydro Brakes I run the shock at a higher pressure than recomended for my weight. This way, I can mash at the pedals while keeping bobbing down. The shock still soaks up all the hits.
Bottom Line:
The Santa Cruz Superlight is an awesome trailbike that can be used competively while racing. If you want quick handling and snappy acceleration, the Superlight is for you.
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Submitted by
HC
a
from AR Date Reviewed: May 17, 2003
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$999.00
Purchased At:
Helen Cycles
Strengths:
Zero bob, light, handles well, cool color, and fast
Weaknesses:
Took a while to get comfortable.
Similar Products Used:
GT LTS
Bike Setup:
Avid mechanical Dbrakes, all xt drive train, Fox vanilla 125 RLC front fork, Fox Float RC rear shock, easton EA50 stem and seat post, rhino light rims, xt and hubs
Bottom Line:
This bike kicks a**. I purchased the frame and built the bike. My only complaint is it took a little while to get the bike set ip where I was comfortable on it. The final step was a riser bar. This bike flies down the hills, climbs like a billy goat, even when your not locked out. Zero bob. I only lock it out on long flat solid streches. The bike is expensive but, you want the best, you have to pay sometimes. Now of course, you must get the blur.
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Submitted by
Chuck Bolden
a Racer
from Denver, CO Date Reviewed: May 8, 2003
Favorite Trail:
O Secret
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Purchased At:
Shop
Strengths:
geometry, construction, fit and finish, reputation, butter smooth ride.
Weaknesses:
Flex in bottom bracket area, but if you learn to pedal circles and not herky jerky squares, it is a non issue.
Similar Products Used:
Special Ed, Jamis.
Bike Setup:
LX, XT, Kore Stem, Easton bars and post, DT Swiss hubs, Selle seat, Tioga Rims, Specialized Rockster Rear and Tioga terrafirma upfront.
Bottom Line:
Far better than expected, I have 8 friends that ride Santa Cruz's, everyone is devoted and convinced that this is the best ride out there. I raced hardtails and felt the life drain from me on rides, I am smoother, more energized and far happier with the superlight.
GO GET ONE.
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Submitted by
Chris Calaycay
a Cross Country Rider
from Berkeley Date Reviewed: April 9, 2003
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$1800.00
Purchased At:
used
Strengths:
Lightweight versatility,set up for race or trail riding. Simple design, one of the best looking bikes out there!
Weaknesses:
Can be expensive
Similar Products Used:
1st full suspension: other bikes Cannondale CAAD4
Bike Setup:
Large Frame, Fox Float Forx 100mm front and Fox Float back, Thompson Stem/Post,XT/LX components
Bottom Line:
This is my first full suspension and I don't know why I waited so long...yeah I do, its a lot of money to shell out. But, after doing so I won't go back. I did alot of looking around and tested other bikes and decided on the Superlight because it was simple and versitile enough for my riding. After a month of riding I can already see that I can go harder and longer without being beat up. Improved confidence and I enjoy riding more. Can't wait to get out on some all day epic rides. Large Frame is perfect fit for me;5'11" 185. By all means get a SL if you want a great bike that will make you want to be out on the trails more often. Fox did a great job with thier Float fork...stiff and plush.
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Submitted by
Zuke
a Cross Country Rider
from Draper, UT Date Reviewed: March 14, 2003
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1600.00
Purchased At:
TNT Cycle & Ski
Strengths:
Great climber, precise handling and low maintanence.
Weaknesses:
None, if you use it for what it is intended for.
Bike Setup:
Stock with "R" kit
Bottom Line:
Now that I've had some time to really ride the bike I'm even more impressed than I was with the demo. As I said in my first review, the bike climbs better than anything I've tested including hardtails. The bike goes exactly where you point it. It's not the cushiest ride but none of the plush bikes I tried where able to handle anywhere near as quick which is a big deal on the technical single tracks that I like to ride. This is the perfect bike for people who like technical rides more than fire trails or downhills. It is a little nervous on tight corners at high speeds (over 40 mph) but I've had it over 60 on the straights and it was rock solid. It's not a downhiller it's an X/C. It's not a freeride either but I've yet to bottom it out and I am 200lbs. One last note; never buy on the internet, you can find just as good a deal at a good specialty shop and you'll have service and no setup. If you're near Salt Lake City TNT is a great shop.
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Submitted by
Tom
a
from Berkeley Date Reviewed: March 8, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Lost Dog Trail, O'Fallon IL
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Strengths:
Overall great bike. Simplicity of design. Value.
Weaknesses:
None. Or: soon to be lost in the glare of the Blur?
I'm just writing in after another long day's ride to say once again what an incredible bike this is. I know a million people have already reviewed the Superlight (in fact, I may have an old review down there somewhere), but after having my Ellsworth Truth stolen, and having owned a number of very high-end bikes, I am still amazed every time I ride the Superlight by its general excellence, efficiency, light weight, and value. Originally I thought the Superlight was good "for its price", but now I would say it easily holds its own against any $5000 bike out there, even with the Super-X, $2500ish setup. Great handling, amazingly efficient climbing (astonishing for a single pivot bike, and close to the best 4-bar linkages), low maintenance, light weight, durable anodized finish, and good customer service are all part of the package. In short, an amazing accomplishment by Santa Cruz.
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Submitted by
Matt
a Cross Country Rider
from Littleton, Colo, USA Date Reviewed: January 30, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Anything in Crested Butte!
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$3000.00
Purchased At:
Veloswap
Strengths:
So far this bike has raised my level of riding when I thought it couldn't get any better. I ride 3-4 times a week for the last 15 years in the mountains of Colorado. Raced XC expert for 3 seasons in the early 90's. I was the typical skeptic on full suspension. I will never go back to a hardtail, ever. My Stumpjumper pro now has a baby seat attached to the back.
Weaknesses:
None yet! Except for friends jealousy and belly-aching because I'm kicking there asses.
Similar Products Used:
Specialized stumpjumpers that have been modified with all the best giblets.
Bike Setup:
Anodized blue, full xtr, easton bars and seat post, King head set, avid ti brakes, Fox fork Rl w/ lockout, Fox Float rl shock w/lockout, 959 pedals. all in all 23.5 lbs.
Bottom Line:
The front range of Colorado has some awesome trails. One in particular is the Dakota Ridge hogback. It is major league technical. My buddies and I ride it up and down. There are some sections that just weren't doable on the hardtail. On the Superlight, I have cleaned the whole thing up and down. Including the stairs. If you've rode the trail, you know what I'm talking about. People brake bones on this one. This bike climbs superbly. Downhill is cush. On the technical, It's the master. Bye this bike!
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Submitted by
P.J.
a Cross Country Rider
from Flagstaff, AZ Date Reviewed: January 27, 2003
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$3000.00
Purchased At:
LBS
Strengths:
Bike handles beautifully and precise. Rear triangle is beefed up and much stiffer. Even with the 125mm fork (SC rec. 100mm) the bike climbs without much, if any, bob. 6" Hayes work awesome. Real world set-up came in at about 27 lbs.
Weaknesses:
Single pivot design does not allow hard braking downhill without overriding the rear shock and creating a very stiff ride.
Similar Products Used:
Trek fuel 90, Specialized Epic
Bike Setup:
Super X disc, Fox Vanilla RLC 125, Crank Bros. Eggbeaters
Bottom Line:
I use this bike mainly for everyday riding as a training rig. In the past year I have competed in numerous 24 hour races and a single season of NORBA races on it. The bike has held up great in response to all the abuse. The solo 24's tend to require a little more comfort in exchange for weight and SC has produced a beautiful ride very capable of handling the challenge. If you are considering the Superlight, ride it and you'll fall in love with the crisp feel and handling as well as the climbing characteristics of a great single pivot design. My new Blur is on the way, but I'm keeping the Superlight as a very capable and everyday ride.
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Submitted by
Micky
a Cross Country Rider
from Albuquerque, New Mexico Date Reviewed: December 30, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Cedro Peak
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$3000.00
Purchased At:
Colorado Cyclist
Strengths:
Great handling everywhere!
Weaknesses:
Fairly(super)light.
Similar Products Used:
Yeti ASR, Litespeed Pisgah, Klein Mantra, Cannondale V.
Bike Setup:
Fox FloatR, Fox AVA, 317s with CKs and Stan's, Pythons, Avid mech., Dean seatpost, Answer ProTaper, XT drive, FSA stem, Fizik Nisene.
Bottom Line:
The bike rules! It accelerates and climbs fast. It turns precisely and handles downhills and bumps with such confidence I feel like I'm not even close to its potential.
Once in a while a bike comes along that defies its specs. The Superlight is that bike.
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Submitted by
Kyoshi71
a Cross Country Rider
from Long Beach, NY Date Reviewed: December 30, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Ninham
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1000.00
Purchased At:
JB Mountain Bike
Strengths:
Unbelievably light and strong, and very fast on the cornering. Very responsive geometry which doesn't penalize on the uphill climbs like many full suspension frames. Pedal induced "bobbing" is practically non-existant in the granny gear and customer service from Santa Cruz is second to none.
Weaknesses:
Due to frame configuration, tire-to-chain clearance in the small ring is tight if you use tires around the 2.2 size.
Similar Products Used:
Other Products from Santa Cruz. Ibis Alibi. Various Giant and Trek Products.
Bike Setup:
'02 Superlight w/ full XT Gruppo. Rock Shox Sid SL. Easton EA70 Bars. Mavic 317 w/ Avid Mechanical Disc. Thomson post and stem. Specialized Team Control/Team Master tires.
Bottom Line:
It's the the most responsive bike I have ever had the pleasure of owning or riding for that matter. Buying this bike has definitely taken my riding to another level. Dont believe all the marketing ploys about the single pivot design being "outdated". Remember, the more moving parts that you have, the more chances you will have for failure in the woods. Nothing will out-perform this bad boy on the uphill, flats or downhill and especially not for the price.
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Submitted by
Scott
a Cross Country Rider
from Bend, Oregon Date Reviewed: December 30, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Anything around Phil's Loop
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Purchased At:
Summit Bike in Bozeman, MT
Strengths:
Simple suspension design that works extremely well Light Fast Awesome on the uphill, a blast coming down
Weaknesses:
Rock Shox Psylo XC - good when it worked, but blew after a month of fairly easy riding (no drops) - Can't blame that on Santa Cruz though!
Bike Setup:
Orange Ano frame (a beauty!), Pretty much all XT, except for front derauiler is XTR, Time ATAC carbon, Thompson seat post, Psylo XC, Fox RL, Easton Monkey bars, Mythos XC
Bottom Line:
Simply put, I love this bike. After doing too much research on MTBR, I figured I'd see what all the hype was about with this single pivot. It only took one ride to know what bike I wanted as my transition from hard tail to full suspension. The bike is amazing. My confidence, skill, and fun on the trail have been on an exponential rise ever since the first day I clipped into the Superlight's pedals. After modifying my riding style a bit and dialing in the Fox RL, I don't notice a bit of bob on the uphill. And on the down... ohhh boy! I've never gone faster or felt more in control. The rear suspension is just right to take all the big hits on the down yet maintain stiffness for acceleration on the flats and on the uphill. And the paint... I never thought I'd want an orange ride, but the burnt orange ano frame is flippin' gorgeous! You gotta see it in person to get the full effect.
The Psylo was great, until it blew after a short month. Oil everywhere. Combine that experience w/ the plentiful bad reviews of Rock Shox durability, customer service, and slow turn around time on warranty issues, this will be my last Rock Shox fork. Time to go Marazocchi! I will say however, that the adjustable suspension was pretty dang cool.
When it comes to maintenance... what maintenance? I keep the chain lubed after ever ride, clean the mud/dirt off, and I'm done. Haven't even had a loose bolt on this sucker after a full season of riding!
And lastly, props out to the folks at Summit Bike in Bozeman. They were great guys to deal with. Flat out good people.
I just can't say enough good things about this bike. Every time I get done with a ride, I tell my wife that this was the best "gear" purchase I've ever made. Maybe I'll look into a new fancy design in 3 or 4 years... maybe. For now, I'll continue to ride with a huge grin on my face, bug in my teeth, and not look back!
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Submitted by
rob
a Weekend Warrior
from albuquerque,nm usa Date Reviewed: December 22, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Porcupine Rim
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1000.00
Purchased At:
speedgoat
Strengths:
No bob, light, strong, no flex. The single pivot is simple and it works beautifully. Cannot make this baby bob even if I try. The craftsmanship is top notch.
Weaknesses:
None yet, will have to update. Only had the bike 3 months.
Similar Products Used:
Ti hardtail, pro-flex (tank!)
Bike Setup:
All XT (wish I could affort xtr, but will upgrade as I go along)RS Judy SL (great fork for the $$)Race Face bars, stem, and seat post. Anodized Green
Bottom Line:
Great looking bike that works. Taken some pretty decent drops and she just gobbles it up. Smaller bumps and "baby heads" are a nice little appetizer for the suspension. Here in the SW good size rocks are the norm and the SL floats through them no matter how fast you go. It is light, light but beefed up in the right places. Handles like a dream. Friends were making fun of me cuz' I was laughing like a madman when plowing through the rock gardens. If I was on my HT I would have been dismounted looking for my fillings instead of casually resting watching my buddies negotiate them. Bottom line: Great design that works without much weight penalty. If you are interested in FS give the SL a hard look. Good prices now since the Blur is all the rage. 5 flamin Chilis for Value and Overall rating. If it would have been full price it would only be 4.5 monkey turds on value.
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Submitted by
Steve
a Weekend Warrior
from Mountain View CA Date Reviewed: December 21, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Henry Coe
Duration Product Used:
More than 3 years
Price Paid:
$2200.00
Purchased At:
Bicycle Outfitter
Strengths:
Simple Light Effective Incredible handling
Weaknesses:
bad seatpost, no longer used on current models
Similar Products Used:
None
Bike Setup:
Superlight-X
Bottom Line:
It's been three years and 4000 miles and the superlight just keeps going strong. I replaced the crappy easton post with a thomson, but other than wearing out one round of drivetrain and wheels, the bike is stock. It would be fun to testride a blur, but since I don't feel any pedal feedback on the SL, it's hard to get too motivated. My real surprise with the SL was the handling. Fast or slow, tight or wide turns, the Santa Cruz kids just seem to have the geometry dialed like no other bike out there. The SL is just a great bike, and with the X-package, a super value.
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Submitted by
Jory Vincent
a Weekend Warrior
from San Antonio, TX Date Reviewed: December 13, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Emma Long - Austin
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1045.00
Purchased At:
Phat Tire
Strengths:
Climbs like a scalded Monkey. Light. Perfect Fit for my 6' frame.
Weaknesses:
None thus far.
Similar Products Used:
IBIS Szazbo, GT STS
Bike Setup:
Duke SL 100. Magura HS-33(Old School), Chris King, blah, blah, blah.
Bottom Line:
After I built this bike up, I thought it would ride pretty much like all my bikes. Nope. This thing accelerates like a dream. I sold my old full suspension bike a year ago, and hadn't ridden in quite some time. What a pleasure, the single pivot design is plush enough for me and simple to maintain. I know everyone's heard all the hype...I can tell you it's true. A great, great bike. Those looking for a light, maintenance free, high quality bike should look into this bike.
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Submitted by
Isaac Redbeard
a Racer
from Flag Town AZ Date Reviewed: December 12, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Eldon in Flag. All of it....
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Purchased At:
Arizona Bike Experts (ABE)
Strengths:
The BIKE. This thing is by far the all around best bike I have ever ridden. Strong, stiff (laterally), and plush. Gotta love it. Just see if you can push into a corner hard enough to make this bike act up. It loves abuse.
Weaknesses:
Um.... Can't fit a 2.4 in the back without rocks getting caught between the brake arch and the tire. Not exactly a big deal.
Similar Products Used:
Not many. But, Specialized M2 hardtail. Bombshell Sputnik. And soon, a RM Slayer, jump bike.
Bike Setup:
ZI X-Fly Air 100mm. Specialized Stong Wheels(off old bike). Race Face cranks. XTR Brakes and rear derailure. MutanoRaptor 2.4 front. Built up myself to save money. Mostly parts off of old M2 Hardtail.
Bottom Line:
Buy one. Or, better yet, buy a Blur. I would, but, money is an issue. At any rate, I highly recomend this bike to any heavy or hard rider. If you tend to keep both wheels on the ground and don't weigh much. I guess you could ride something else, like a Specialized FSR or Epic (icky), but my 75 year old grandmother loves hers, so I think that says something for the bike. I have taken some fairly large drops on it, and it holds up just fine, and feels better than my friends 6" Kona Stab. I highly recomend 100 mm in the front. I have tried more, but it made the steering too slow. 100mm is perfect.
I ride trials as well, and I have found that if I dial the fox to fast rebound, I can make quite large hops up things, more than I can with my Sputnik. Learn to use the suspension to your advantage.
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Submitted by
MDS
a
from New Orleans, LA /Nelson, BC Date Reviewed: December 10, 2002
Favorite Trail:
The Vein in Nelson & Devil's Gultch in Wenatchee, Wa
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Strengths:
Update from my earlier comments regarding the defective frame. Santa Cruz has warrantied the rear frame and shipped it at no additional cost. However, even though rear frame wore threw the the Seat tube they would not honor that defect as being warrantied. So they offered to sell me the new 2003 entire bike for 250.00 and with free shipping. Even though it was an additional 250.00 that is great deal for a new 2003 Santa Cruz brand new frame so I bought in. The Warranty department was an absolute pleasure to deal with and was handled themselves in a completely professional way, contrary to the horror stories that I had been told about. Thanks Santa Cruz for the help. Also they informed me that the new 2003 Superlight frame now comes with a new and improved design to deal with the pivot bolt section of the frame and this according to them has alleviated the rear swing arm breaking problem by the pivot point. They also said that the 2003 frame was a lot stiffer due to a new aluminum that they are putting into the frame and that the new 2003 Superlight frame has increased its rear travel by two tenths of an inch. Thanks Santa Cruz
Weaknesses:
The rear swing arm's pivot point on models older from 2002 and older after repeated use can eventually break down the aluminum.
Bottom Line:
The Customer Service Department was a real pleasure to work with and called me within 30 minutes of recieving my bike. That is real service. The rear swing arm problems apparently have been addressed and the new 2003 have implemented the new technology to really make these bikes even more sweet than they already were.
Thanks
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Submitted by
Randy
a Cross Country Rider
from Denton, TX Date Reviewed: December 8, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Troy Bilt, Fruita, CO
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Strengths:
Light, Very well constructed, easy to maintain, durable. GREAT "Bang-for -the-buck", Excellent geometry.
Weaknesses:
Nothing to write home about; Some bob, but all suspension does that to some degree. The powdercoating gets rubbed off by the cables over time, but no more than when I crash.
Similar Products Used:
Test rode on trails in Utah: Yeti AS-R, AS-X, and locally: Ellsworth Truth,& Joker, Ventana Pantera, & Saltamontes
Bike Setup:
Large frame, Z2 Atom race 80mm fork, King headset, Avid mech discs, Lock-on grips, XT cranks, shifters, fd, xtr rd, xt disc hubs laced to Mavic 517's
Bottom Line:
I have been riding this bike for over a year now, and it has never let me down. It has been to most of the major trails in Utah, Colorado, and Texas, I have raced it, jumped it, and ridden the heck out of it.
The pivot bolts came loose only once, after a day of jumping.
There are wear spots whee the cable housings touch the frame.
This bike is simple, superbly crafted, and rides very well. The rear is plush enough to help smooth out the trail, but not soft enough to make you feel like a pogo stick. I am 5'11", 185#. The large frame fits me like a glove. I try (and clean!) more obstacles than ever before, my confidence is much higher, and I can ride further, harder, and faster than I could before I got this bike.
Bottom line:
There are more expensive bikes out there, Ellsworth, for example, costs twice as much as the Superlight, but there is no way these bikes perform twice as well.
If I had to buy another bike today, right now, I would rush out and get another Superlight. No hesitation whatsoever.
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Submitted by
Jesse
a Cross Country Rider
from RC, South Dakota Date Reviewed: December 7, 2002
Favorite Trail:
The one I'm on
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$1800.00
Purchased At:
ACME
Strengths:
Very little bob. Durable, no problems yet supporting my 200 lb. frame.
Weaknesses:
Front end seemed a little tall (got used to it) running a Psylo Race 120mm. I might end up dropping it to 100mm to match the rear, or at least give it a try.
Similar Products Used:
None, first f/s.
Bike Setup:
XT Drivetrain, XTR V-brakes.
Bottom Line:
Multiplied my up and down-hill times considerably. Rear gives just enough when climbing to suck up rocks and roots without bouncing rear tire off ground. Keeps tire grounded and rarely slips unless standing. I felt a little tall looking over the front, but that passed and I am now used to it. Have never regreted this purchase, and am very pleased with performance.
Not the greatest bike for gravity riders however, it is light for those of us that like to ride both ends of the trail.
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Submitted by
nate morely
a Racer
from charlottesville, va Date Reviewed: December 2, 2002
If you want to nitpick, powdercoat is not as durable as other powdercoated bikes I've had. Have to deflate rear tires 2.0" or larger to remove rear wheel.
Similar Products Used:
FSR S-Works, Klein Adept, Fuel, Giant NSR
Bike Setup:
Fox Float 80, Sram 9.0, SpeedDream Wheels, Avid 7.
Bottom Line:
The Superlight is my first full suspesion bike. I chose it because it offered a quick geometry that fit me well. A racer X has a nice short wheel base but is several hundred more. I got the super X package which is a great deal, a better price than any of the huge manufacturers could provide (Trek, Giant etc) and it is hand made in the good old USA. I love this thing, it is very flexible, set the fork at 80mm and set the rear shock at minimum sag and you have a fierce race machine. Set the fork at 100mm and it is a fantastic trail bike that will eat up the hairiest of rock gardens. I increased my average race finishes by 6 places with this bike. Before I had it I could not break 7th in sport class. Got 2nd on my first race with it and won the next two. I have to give the bike credit for most of it.
Like I said it is very flexible and will work great in all conditions, but you must set it up for the conditions you ar riding. Set the rear shock for the minimum sag or less and it is a extremely efficient ride that will still provide be relativley comfy. At max sag it will soak up anything you can throw at it with little bob. I have never been able to bottom it out at any rear shock pressure.
And by the way the Fox Fork rules. Yeah it is almost a pound heavier than a SID but worth every ounce.
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MDS
a Racer
from New Orleans/Nelson, BC Date Reviewed: December 1, 2002
Favorite Trail:
The Vein
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$1200.00
Purchased At:
The Sacred Ride in Nelson, BC
Strengths:
Excellent handling bike, cockpit is perfect for me. Handles very well under bumpy conditions with the Fox Vanilla RC Float rear shock. Beautiful looking bike. Very very light for a full suspension frame.
Weaknesses:
#1 Major design flaw--after continued use the rear swing arm eventually starts wearing on the seat tube. #2 I just sent my bike this week to Santa Cruz because the rear swing arm just above the bottom pivot broke in half. The aluminum just plain wore out and broke apart rendering the bike useless. Another stress fracture was beginning to appear as well right in front of the rear tire mount's swingarm. #3 The annodized paint job scratches very easily. #4 One of the bolts for the rear swing arm blew apart last year and resulting in me sending the bike back to Santa Cruz. The replaced the bolt and sent my the bike back with a new bolt and a bill for shipping. I have heard horror stories about Santa Cruz's warranty repair but they did fix the problem with the bolt very quickly--hopefully this warranty job will result with the proper response too--I will keep everyone informed of the progress of their warranty repair work (hopefully I don't experience any of the horror stories that other riders have experienced with Santa Cruz).
Similar Products Used:
Santa Cruz Bullit, Super 8, and Specialized Enduro.
Bike Setup:
Race Face carbon cranks, thompson post, Mavic rims, Kenda tires, Chris King hubs, etc.
Bottom Line:
Given the fact that I spent over 1200 dollars on a frame that is supposedly warrantied for one year only I am highly disappointed in the fact that this aluminum frame broke in half at the swing arm. These types of bicycles are not supposed to be trashed after one season so I am very very down right now about the Superlight. Hopefully the warranty folks will see that they made a defective frame and rectify this situation. But still I can't believe that I have to go without my cross country bike for two to three weeks. I am remaining positive throughout this entire experience though and I will not write off Santa Cruz until they contact me about the warranty situation. Still I can not give them a good rating based on the frame breaking in half even though the bike performed great when it was in one piece.
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Submitted by
dave
a Cross Country Rider
from austin Date Reviewed: November 26, 2002
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1190.00
Purchased At:
Speedgoat
Strengths:
Comfort, durable, looks, ride
Weaknesses:
Main pivot bolt has come loose a few times.
Similar Products Used:
Steel hardtails before going with fs.
Bike Setup:
80mm Mars, xt, King, Thomson, Crosslink wheels
Bottom Line:
I bought as frame only. It has the '02 swingarm. So far very happy with the frame. I have the silver ano and it looks great and is durable. I have about 1500 miles on the frame. Mostly in Central TX but also a couple weeks worth in Utah. Frame has performed well in all xc situations. Besides the irratating pivot bolt the other complaint is I wish the head tube was longer. I'm forced to use lots of spacers and a riser bar to get proper fit. The frame has the quirks that I've read about before- some pedal jack, some bit of flex but no more than the steel hardtails I've ridden for years, and a occasional ghost shift. But when all said and done, I love to look at the bike which gets me excited to ride and then I really enjoy the ride once I get going. Not giving a five because I consider five to be perfection and the frame is great but not quite perfect.
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Submitted by
Larry
a Cross Country Rider
from Grand Forks, B.C ,Canada Date Reviewed: November 22, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Noisy Creek
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$3500.00
Purchased At:
Olympia bike and Board ,Vernon BC
Strengths:
-excellent climber,no bob,never use the lockout.Thought nothing would climb like my old Hei Hei.What was I thinking? -cross country single track machine, big hits,no problem -my first f/s and I know I made the best choice. -unbelievably smooth,eats up anything you throw at it. -oh did I mention pretty? OH so PRETTY
Weaknesses:
none so far
Similar Products Used:
Trek Fuel
Bike Setup:
Superlight Med,Mavic X317 disc wheels on Hugi DT240 hubs,Continental survival tires,Manitou Black 100/120(love this shock-stickers are still on)Hope mini discs,easton monkey lite,mix of xt\xtr.The new Fox Ava(thank you sc for the upgrade)
Bottom Line:
Price was a little high,,however now that I have this unbelievable machine--no problem.If you are thinking about a cross country bike that will push you beyond,better step over to santa cruz and have look.I believe once you have ridden one you won't go back.
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Submitted by
P
a Cross Country Rider
from Hong Kong Date Reviewed: November 13, 2002
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Price Paid:
$3800.00
Strengths:
Awesome ride dynamics, plush, light and very easy to throw around. Easy to maintain. Great customer service.
Weaknesses:
None
Similar Products Used:
A few GT hardtails
Bike Setup:
Full XTR, SID SL, Crossmax UST's, Hope Disks, Thomson Stem and Seatpost
Bottom Line:
This is an update for a review I posted earlier. I've had the Superlight for over a year now and recently had some problems with the rear swingarm. Intermittent clicking sounds from the seatstays everytime I pedaled. Anyway it was diagnosed as a defect and Santa Cruz sent me a replacement 02 swingarm.
The ride was pretty fantastic before, but the 02 swingarm is stiffer and has a modified leverage ratio for the air shock. The ride is now off the charts. The travel is much more plush and linear than the previous incarnation, yet doesn't bottom out, and the increased stiffness helps too. You easily get the full range of travel.
Just want to say thanks for Santa Cruz for great service ... and with the effect of the modifications to the swingarm ... I would have happily paid for it as an upgrade. God knows what the new AVA shocks are going to do to the ride.
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Submitted by
mike b
a Cross Country Rider
from Sodom in the North Date Reviewed: November 9, 2002
Favorite Trail:
boggs mountain demo forest
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$920.00
Purchased At:
price is frame only, @ vision cyclery sf
Strengths:
light weight longish top tube (for me, anyway) balanced suspension overall comfort and performance red krylon spraypaint very nearly matches santa cruz paint
Weaknesses:
powdercoat scratches easily no loctite on main pivot bolt
Similar Products Used:
i've ridden lots of bikes
Bike Setup:
sensible light--25.25lbs
Bottom Line:
two of my friends and i all got suspension bikes within six months of each other. all of us have had problems, mine the least serious of the three. after almost a full year, the main pivot bolt on my superlight worked itself loose--no problem, the shop was able to tighten it up and i was off riding not long after. by comparison, one friend broke the weld on the rear end of his ellsworth and the other snapped a minor pivot bolt on his FSR.
again, i rode this bike away from the shop on november 17th, 2001. since then, i have had no other problems with the frame other than the pivot bolt coming loose, which is something i probably should have been paying more attention to. in addition, the fox vanilla shock started losing a LOT of air pressure during Month Five, which was quickly fixed by rebuilding it with a kit provided to my shop by either santa cruz or fox, i can't remember. at any rate, the problem with the shock is something i feel is not an issue with the manufacturer of the frame.
i have also managed to sell one more friend of mine on the idea of buying a superlight. the fact that he has seen me ride longer and faster, and descend with more authority convinced him that the santa cruz might be for him, since our riding styles are very similar.
many of you have probably already read my two previous reviews on this bike earlier, so i won't go on much longer. i will, however, take this time to confirm what i've written earlier about this frame's handling characteristics. i'd also like to add that the geometry and top tube length, which are slacker and longer than my previous bikes, have helped me conquer steep sections of trails that i've always walked in the past--the last steep section of charle's trail at the boggs mountain demonstration forest and an illegal section of singletrack in the marin headlands leading to the hawk camp fire road in the marin headlands, to mention a few.
all in all, i would heartily reccomend the superlight to any rider looking for a solid CROSS COUNTRY frame. the issues with the powedercoat are minor and can be fixed over the long run with a can of spray paint and the design is simple enough to offer fe opportunites for mechanical problems in the future.
i look forward to riding (and possibly racing) my superlight for another year, and hopefully another year after that.
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Submitted by
John
a Cross Country Rider
from SF Bay Area, CA Date Reviewed: November 8, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Skeggs Point
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2500.00
Purchased At:
LBS
Strengths:
-No pedal bob (even without lockout) -Handles beautifully -Weighs in at 25.5 lbs. -Instills confidence, eats all bumps, even the biggies, when going downhill -Handles my clydesdale bulk (6'5", 230 lbs.) with ease even though its published weight limit is 225--nice job of over-engineering! -Climbs like a homesick angel -Catch air, and it lands like a butterfly with sore feet. -Superb suspension allows me to keep up with technically superior riders
Weaknesses:
-Slightly short cockpit (wish they made an XXL frame ;-) -For larger riders like me, proper fit moves you far aft, way over the back tire (used to it now)
Similar Products Used:
none...just hardtails
Bike Setup:
Full XTR, Deore XT hyd. brakes, Rockshox Psylo SL fork, Mavic x317 rims, Chris King hubs & headset, Panaracer Fire XC tires
Bottom Line:
I fell into this Santa Cruz becaue I got the full bro-deal from the manager of my LBS. He had 1 XTR buildkit left and a Psylo SL fork (not my first choice), and he let it go for a song.
I'm extremely pleased with this bike, now that it's set up the way it should be. I had the same problem with the rear v-brake noodle poking me in the leg. It seems to be a problem for larger riders. I think us biggies should have hydraulic brakes anyway, and now that problem is solved.
I recommend trying this bike if you're over 200 lbs. It's one of the few out there that seem so well put together that it can handle the greater stresses of the added bulk.
I'm converted; I'll ride Santa Cruz (someday a Heckler too) until they start mass-producing them in Taiwan or until their excellent customer service craters. 5 flamin' turds for value thanks to a lucky deal, and 5 for overall rating due to its insane reliability (will anything EVER break on this bike?), predictable & nimble handling, and bob-less climbing ability.
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Submitted by
Steve
a Cross Country Rider
from Rotherham, England Date Reviewed: November 8, 2002
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$3200.00
Purchased At:
Leisure Lakes
Strengths:
stiff, bob-free, reasonable weight
Weaknesses:
Slightl short cockpit. Front wheel hard to keep down on climbs. Rear brake pipe annoying when rear compresses - whatever pipe routing used, pipe bows out and brushes against leg when pedalling.
A very agile bike, corners well now dialled in and bars correct length. Cockpit is quite short, have seat as far back as it will go. Am 6'2", went for L, should have got XL. Seatpost quite extended, so ass is well over back wheel. Maybe this is reason, but only weigh 170lbs yet need 150psi in rear shock to feel okay-much more than recommended. Feel a little high on bike, but used to it now. Bike climbs like hardtail even without lockout. C2 discs excellent setup. Have ridden over 500 miles since getting it and it's great - every XC rider should have one - just pick the right size frame!
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Submitted by
nate
a Weekend Warrior
from norcal Date Reviewed: November 6, 2002
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Purchased At:
shop is gone
Strengths:
The superlight is no joke,handles like a dream,customer service is killer too.
Weaknesses:
price kinda sucks,wish it came with discs and rear lockout for the price.
Bike Setup:
super-x kit...doere cranks,duke fork,fox float,xt drivetrain,monkeylite bars and seatpost,race face diabolus stem,avid cantilever brakes.
Bottom Line:
I was never a cross country rider but when I bought this bike it turned me.It flies down hills and takes switchbacks like no other.The only thing is,you have to get used to it because its so light.I ran out of control a few times because response time doubles at this weight.Take hills faster than ever before.The only thing is, would recommend the rear lockout option,the bob kinda sucks.Over all,a prize winning bike!!! GO GET ONE.
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Submitted by
Tom
a Cross Country Rider
from San Leandro Date Reviewed: October 15, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Flume Trail, Lake Tahoe
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$2500.00
Purchased At:
Robinson's Wheel Works
Strengths:
Really great riding bike. I'm 200 lbs and 6'4" and the bike handles flawlessly. Tips the scales at 27 lbs even.
Weaknesses:
XT seems to have lost some of it's sophistication over the years. No trimming on the trigger shifters. Front derailleur a little noisy. On this XL size the front wheel lifts pretty easily on steep climbs. I don't know how prevalent that is with present day FS bikes. Standing on slippery stuff the bike still gets pretty good traction.
Full XT, Mavic wheels, Duke fork, Fox air rear shock. Flat aluminum Salsa bars. All works very nicely.
Bottom Line:
For the price it is pretty difficult to find anything that works this well, has such low maintenance demands and costs less than the competition. For a big rider like me, you couldn't go wrong. Smaller and lighter riders find the bike even better. It's pretty easy to spend another $500 and knock at least a couple of lbs off of the bike.
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Submitted by
Thomas
a Weekend Warrior
from Brussels, Belgium Date Reviewed: October 15, 2002
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1800.00
Purchased At:
Hot Wheelz (Brussels)
Strengths:
Thias is a very stiff bike. it keeps thrack extremely well. So you can go really fast on the most crazy single track. but it's also an efficient climber. and it looks great.
Weaknesses:
it was a bit hard to find a good position on the bike. there's not so much space for my long legs on the L-frame (now i moved the saddle all the way back and i'm happy). It's expensive in Europe
Similar Products Used:
Jeckyll, scott strike, fsr, sugar, kona king kikapu, Rocky element.
Bike Setup:
Marzo mxr 100 mm coil, magura hs 33 (the best!) mavic rims and a shimano mixture for the rest. EA 70 seatpost roox bars
Bottom Line:
The bike is extremely fun to ride. In the beginning i believed there was a gardian angel delivered with it. you know, when you're looking back an wonder how it's possible yo're still on the bike. I rode it a lot in the Alps, last summer and found it perfect for that kind of stuff. For long climbs i locked out the suspensions, more to keep the weight towards the front then to lock out the suspension.
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Submitted by
Dale
a Cross Country Rider
from Louiville Date Reviewed: October 13, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Hall Ranch
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$3100.00
Purchased At:
outer space
Strengths:
Light, under 27lbs with vanilla shock and disc brakes. Very easy to manuver tight areas and quick when you need it to be.
Weaknesses:
a little light in the front end, even with the Vanilla up there the bike is prone to popping up on the steeps. Mostly I just had to learning a new climbing style then everything was fine. So far nothing else.
Similar Products Used:
Rocky mountian bikes that I tested alot.
Bike Setup:
Xt. thompson seat post and stem. chris king head set. hayes disc brakes. Fox vanilla rc 100 up front. new fox rl in the rear(the one with barrell adjustments)
Bottom Line:
Love this bike. Maybe I should have waited for the Blurr but I can't worry about that now. Very Expensive!!! I think this bike will last as long as I want it to.
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Submitted by
Whacked_Mo_Fro
a Cross Country Rider
from SoCal Date Reviewed: October 12, 2002
Favorite Trail:
San Juan
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$3000.00
Purchased At:
Built Up
Strengths:
Light frame, super simple design, great company.
Weaknesses:
'02 frame not spec'd for a coil shock, single pivot is good but not as good as 4 bar.
Large white frame, Fox Float RLC 100mm, Thomson post/stem, Hayes Disc, King, XTR, Hugi 240 Disc/Mavic, Titec Hell Bent XC
Bottom Line:
I originally built this bike with the intent of upgrading the rear shock to a Romic coil. My LBS says that they've done it on a large, but Santa Cruz says "no go". The '02 rear tri is designed for air shocks only (due to the falling rate).
That said, the Fox Float RL feels pretty good once you dial it in. Because of the falling rate, you can get a full 4" of travel without too much ramp up. I'm running about 3/4" of sag and still don't bottom on big hits.
I originally built the bike up with a Zocchi air fork and could never get it dialed in. After upgrading to the Fox Float RLC 100mm, the bike just felt perfectly balanced. What a super fork! Best I've ever ridden! I've heard people say not to run a 100mm fork on a Superlight. That's B.S. if you ask me. This bike still climbs incredibly! The geometry feels balanced for both climbing and descending.
Heavier riders might notice some rear flex. I weigh 175 lbs. and feel a tad bit of flex on occasion, but not enough to make the bike feel sketchy.
I guess my biggest complaint would be the dreaded brake jack syndrome... The single pivot design is good, but the 4 bar linkage feels much better under heavy braking. The easy way around this issue is to just brake less and ride faster!
Great XC race bike, excellent all day epic ride, fairly in-expensive frame (if you go with powder coat). Not as exotic as a Truth or Turner XCE, but better than a Trek, Fisher or Specialized.
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Submitted by
richard
a Cross Country Rider
from hamilton Date Reviewed: October 11, 2002
Favorite Trail:
whichever one i'm riding . . .
Duration Product Used:
Tested or demo'ed only
Strengths:
geometry, feel - it was just an out and out great ride. the shop - freewheel cycle in dundas, ontario - is also a great place. remember, your choice of shop matters a lot.
Weaknesses:
it was flexy under my heavy self.
Similar Products Used:
i have also demoed a sugar 2+, stumpjumper, jekyll, and some hardtails - most notably the c'dale f800 and a 2003 c'dale f1000sl.
Bike Setup:
the frame was set up with the spec from a 2002 sugar 2+, which i also tested (so a psylo sl, bontrager disk wheelset, xt/xtr, etc).
Bottom Line:
as you might have guessed, i'm looking for a new rig.
of everything i've ridden, the superlight is the nicest, hands down; although with the flex, i might have gone and tried out the '03 heckler. i weigh in at 200lbs plus my riding gear, and even on my easy test ride the back tire was rubbing enough over hops and turns to concern me some.
compared to the sugar 2+, which was identically specc'd, there was no contest in my mind. the sugar felt stuck to the ground more, but not necessarily any faster or more agile for that - plus i prefer a bike that hops easily. there was some bob but certainly not enough to bug me, especially since the shock wasn't dialled in perfectly (of course, right now i ride a '99 kona mano mano that bobs like a pogo stick).
the only problem is cost; up here, in canadian dollars, it would cost me at least $4000 (canadian) to spec this bike with decent parts - not even great parts, just decent - and that's just too much money for my budget and riding ability. my mountain biking isn't worth $4000; not when i also have a road bike, a car, am getting into snowboarding, am looking at doing a doctorate next year, and especially when some idiots in montreal stole my wife's mountain bike on the first night of a hiking/biking trip she was doing. dealing with insurance is such a pain in the ass.
i usually can squeeze in between 5-9 hrs of mountain biking a week, or two to three decent rides worth, and for this, given my relatively conservate style, a nice hardtail with a 100mm fork will do the trick fine (i've had both of my shoulders rebuilt with titanium - among some other fairly serious injuries - which cost me 2 yrs of biking and has ruined my sense of invincibility enough that i don't hammer like i once did, now at the ripe old age of 25). given my weight and my desire to avoid tendonitis in my otherwise well-operating shoulders, 100mm is a must - and most xc hartails run but 80mm. i really like the cannondale f800 for the money.
if you can - or should i say, want to - afford the superlight, go for it. it was beautiful, even as but a test ride; i'm sure you'll whup my ass with one on the trails. overall its definitely a 5, but relatively speaking, i have to give it a 4 value-wise for being just too spendy for me (by comparison, i'd maybe give the suger 2+ a 3, likely a 2 and 1/2). choose your excesses wisely.
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Submitted by
Brad Winters
a Weekend Warrior
from Columbia, MD Date Reviewed: October 9, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Avalon, Patapsco State Park
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$3000.00
Purchased At:
Bike Doctor Odenton, MD
Strengths:
Light, strong, virtually no bob even when jamming on it, very nimble, climbs as well as my old hardtail(Klein Pulse Comp), Santa Cruz customer service is above and beyond.
Weaknesses:
fizik seat that came with it creaks alot but otherwise no complaints
Similar Products Used:
Trek Fuel 100, Giant NSR, Ellsworth Truth and Isis
Bike Setup:
XT, Hayes hydraulic discs, Chris King headset, SID SL fork, Easton monkey lite bar and seat post, egg beaters pedals
Bottom Line:
For those looking to spend in the $3000 range, and want a versatile bike that takes them up as well as it takes them down, there is nothing better. Clearly not a bike for those who only wish to let gravity do the work. I ride mostly on reasonably technical terrain that is heavily forested and tends to be very wet, muddy and slippery(except during this year's drought). Handles better than the Trek Fuel and is better built than the Giant NRS(Giant's customer service also was abysmal). The Isis was a poor climber. The Truth is awesome but frankly costs more than it should. The Superlight is a much better value for the money. I wanted the Blur(who doesn't) but the price was out of my range and the wait was too long but this bike is in no way a compromise. It runs through rock gardens and over tangles of roots like it was on rails. Sails over logs and hugs switchbacks like a boa constrictor hugs a rat. The SID fork is sweet and responsive but if you are a heavier rider(more than 200-210 lbs) you will likely find it not stiff enough and control may suffer, go with a Psylo or something in that range. One change I plan on making is to replace the cranks with Race Face which I have on my hardtail. They are clearly superior. Don't worry about the weight of the Hayes brakes. If you ride in anything but bone dry conditions, they are worth their weight in stopping power and since the bike is so light to begin with, the point becomes moot. Also, spend the extra $100 or so for the anodized finish, chipped paint just sucks.
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Submitted by
Sante Pelot
a Racer
from Santa Cruz, CA Date Reviewed: October 6, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Braille
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1200.00
Purchased At:
friend
Strengths:
Fast, light, super comfortable.
Weaknesses:
Ghost shifting
Bike Setup:
fox rl shox front and rear
Bottom Line:
One sweet ass ride. The ghost shifting may be from something other than the frame but I'm using parts off my old hardtail which never ghostshifted. Noticeable bob when sprinting, but that's to be expected for any full susp. I don't notice any bob when seated. Very well made bike, beautiful welds, nice attention to detail and a good price for what you are getting. The bike handles like you were born on it.
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Submitted by
Jeremy
a Cross Country Rider
from Marquette, MI Date Reviewed: September 26, 2002
Poweder coat lacks durability, slight pedal induced bob at times, expensive if you pay retail.
Similar Products Used:
Giant NRS 1, Klein Adept Comp, GF Sugar 2+
Bike Setup:
XT Drivetrain, Hayes Hydro Discs, RS Duke fork, Fox Float R
Bottom Line:
The Superlight hooked me from the first ride. It has the potential for a much plusher ride than the NRS 1 or Sugar but can also be stiffened up for fast days or races. The versatility of the air suspension is liberating! When I want to get rid of the slight pedal bob for rides or races that I know I'll be climbing or sprinting on, I just set the shock for a rider about 25 pounds heavier than I am. The ride gets a bit harsher (similar to the NRS 1) but I lose very little energy to bob and maintain the advantages of traction and improved comfort over my hardtail. By concentrating on pedaling with an efficient spin rather than mashing the cranks, I have moments where I am much MORE efficient than when on my Homegrown hardtail. I only have 15 or so rides in on the bike, but am very happy overall.
My LBS allowed me to strip components that I didn't want and add replacements that were upgraded. The first things to go were the Deore level cranks, shifters, and front deraileur. I don't know why SC put them on a botique, custom quality bike that retails for over $2100. The only parts I was stuck with were the disc brakes and the Duke XC fork. I would have prefered the weight savings of linear pulls and a fork upgrade, but these are both things that I can live with. I only paid a few hundred more than the frameset retails for and got an excellent bike that performs wonderfully.
The Superlight would have been too expensive if it had been sold at retail and the powder coat is not durable. Those things aside, I have a ride that can be plush and comfortable or stiff and zippy depending on how I set the suspension pressures. I love the handling and genuinely think that the efficiency from improved traction, comfort, and line holding ability far outweigh the energy lost from the slight pedal bob.
If you freeride, I certainly wouldn't recommend the SL. If you are an XC rider or racer coming off of a dearly loved hardtail or unsatisfactory dualie, take a look at the Superlight.
Three chilis for value because of the high retail price and Deore components. Five for the overall rating due to the great ride, sweet handling, excellent quality, and great people at Santa Cruz.
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Submitted by
Matthew Bracht
a Cross Country Rider
from San Diego CA USA Date Reviewed: September 23, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Yes.....
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$2800.00
Purchased At:
LBS
Strengths:
Design is tested and true. Minimilist engineering at it's best. Quality construction.
Weaknesses:
I'm sure there are some. It is such a step up from my previous steed I can't see any so far....I'll let you all know if I find any serious flaws.
Similar Products Used:
Turner XCE (demo'd) Merlin Fat Beat (a flexy flier), Cannondale F1000 (My 6 year old trusty hardtail)
Bike Setup:
Full XT-Disc, Fox Forx RLC,Fox RL, Mavic X317's on the XT disc Hubs, Thompson post and stem with Easton risor bar, Egg Beaters.
Bottom Line:
Well it is definitely Super....I'm not sure about the light part. I spec'ed for durability over weight any hoo so I am neither disappointed or surprised.
The single pivot design rewards a smooth cadence and will telegraph any weakness and or sloppiness in my pedling action, especially in the middle ring while climbing. The Fox fork/shock combo is magnificent. The RLC is just as rail true as my Cannonkeg's Fatty D with 2x's the travel.
I ride Hurkey Creek this coming weekend. I'm quite sure I will know alot more after 6-8 race pace laps, over 24 hours. TTFN
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Submitted by
Cleatus
a Weekend Warrior
from Colorado Date Reviewed: September 23, 2002
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1100.00
Purchased At:
speedgoat.com
Strengths:
Light, simple. Excellent craftsmanship. Single pivot at its best.
Weaknesses:
Simple suspension design is not the most efficient. Afraid Im going to break it.
Similar Products Used:
Other XC and Freeride. My old hardtail when I was poor. My old 10-speed when I was 17. My old BMX when I was 13. My old Bigwheel, plastic grandfather of them all.
Bike Setup:
Xfly 100, Race Face, King. No plastic, well, almost none.
Bottom Line:
On rocky colorado trails, this will climb better than any hardtail, but it takes a different way of riding and some experience to figure that out. Hardtails are like typewriters. Sure, some people still use them, but why? Anyway...
The light weight is nice going up, but don't expect to do many drops on the way down with this frame. But thats not what this frame is for. If you are 150lbs, race, or are strictly XC, this may be the bike for you. If you are heavier, more into trail riding, want to do >18" drops, or really hit the downhills, there are better XC frames out there for that. Turner and Intense make some great ones.
If you want a simple, light, quality frame, Santa Cruz has that number dialed.
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Submitted by
nick peaker
a Weekend Warrior
from glasgow Date Reviewed: September 22, 2002
Favorite Trail:
the long and winding
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$3000.00
Purchased At:
glasgow
Strengths:
fast, very fast, being a handsome beast
Weaknesses:
does superlight mean superfragile? where are the limits? oh and the ano grey colour is a bit brown really
Similar Products Used:
none, straight from HT to FS, like riding a sofa, with an engine on it, a big one
Bike Setup:
full LT, float RL, RS Duke SL, weak legs
Bottom Line:
this bike is like a rocket has been strapped to it. my real concern is that my fitness will drop because I'm used to a no suspension steel bruiser.
Bit concerned it may snap, why dont they grade bikes by the amount you can fall before they fail. i know this is an XC bike but you need to know, is 1 foot OK ? is 2 foot pushing it ? i dont know, when you ping some of the tubes they sound very thin!
bottom line, I Love it, it loves me, girlfriend doesn't get a look in, end of story!
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Submitted by
neil cotter
a Weekend Warrior
from pawtucket,ri.usa Date Reviewed: September 18, 2002
Favorite Trail:
ridge @borderland
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Price Paid:
$2800.00
Purchased At:
providence bicycle
Strengths:
very lite,forgiving trailbike.everybody loves just about everything that it offers.
Weaknesses:
gotta have a blur.fat tires rub swingarm,but i can't feel it.must be fondled far to often.
Similar Products Used:
various xc full susp. rigs(cannondale,trek,giant,ellsworth).
Bike Setup:
x-package(tx,avid,mavic)lite wheels from my litespeed(bontranger racelites)avid mech. front brake,hot"s"tires.
Bottom Line:
very nice playbike.can be raced comfortably.sweet orange anodized finish.fox rc shock is low maint.,plush,and i do use the lockout.i'll upgrade the fork to a 4" travel when the SID XC wears out(good OEM item).i've been doing this since 1983 and this bike rules(kinda like black sabbath and fu manchu).if i can't get a blur,i'll order a new superlite.
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Submitted by
Nate
a Cross Country Rider
from Phoenix Date Reviewed: September 14, 2002
Favorite Trail:
The next one
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$2800.00
Strengths:
Excellent overall quality, strength to weight ratio, durability, anodized finish(has held up well), versatility, low maintenance and great customer service from Santa Cruz.
Weaknesses:
Some performance trade-offs when compared to true 4-bar system. A heavier rider on technical trails will flex the frame if going as fast as the superlight is capable of over the rough stuff (consider the new Heckler). My personal preference would be for a slightly longer top tube.
Similar Products Used:
Trail demoed Sugar 1 and Truth. Previous bike was a Mt. Tam hardtail.
Bike Setup:
XT & XTR drivetrain, Thompson post, Easton bar, X-fly 100mm, Dave's wheels, and other good bolt-on's.
Bottom Line:
Consider your intended use; if you are in the market for a fast and light trail bike/race bike with broad application, the superlight deserves a look. Every time I ride this bike I am glad I made the decision to go the full suspension route. I have not had any problem with frame durability but I must say that the bike works so well that it is tempting to exceed the intended purpose of this frame - it is very capable. When the terrain is rough, as is common around Phoenix, climbing improves with the superlight. The bike is confidence inspiring on decents and sections that seemed difficult to clear or maintain speed through were much easier when I switched to this bike.
I like the superlight and absolutely recommend it. I am looking at the Turner xce as a possible next purchase but it is expensive (not that my superlight was not!). Considering the price, quality, and performance, and as evidenced by the many positive reviews, you can not go wrong with this bike. I bought the bike largely due to the excellent and knowledgable reviews I found on this site and can confirm that the positive things that have been said about the superlight are accurate. I have no regrets about taking the plunge without a trail test though it would have been reassuring. Overall, a great bike.
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Submitted by
Christian
a Cross Country Rider
from Los Angeles Date Reviewed: September 13, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Backbone
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Purchased At:
Helen's
Strengths:
Lightweight, attention to detail, first rate build-quality, thoughtful frame geometry, world class customer service from Santa Cruz.
Weaknesses:
Single pivot design (in certain situations), powdercoat scratches easily. Could use a little more tire clearance in the rear.
Similar Products Used:
Ellsworth, Intense, Foes
Bike Setup:
Superlight, XT, Fox
Bottom Line:
This is a terrific frame IF you know what you're getting when you buy it and you use it as intended. Its weight is worthy of its name, and the overall quality of the frame is as good as anything out there.
The single-pivot design is a comprimise, and while it is light, durable, requires almost no maintanance and does climb well. It is semi-active in certain gears, and it will bob a little bit on climbs.
Personally, I feel the lighter weight and ease of maintanance are worth it. I never use my lockout. The bike climbs really well, and I'm of the opinion that there is no lockout or wonder-linkage which will turn weak legs into strong ones. You can either climb or you can't, and a Horst link won't change that.
This is not a freerider, but the geometery is laid back more than a typical XC frame. I like this feature, but people should ride one and feel the difference from more classic layouts. You'll feel like you're sitting up higher, and the bike wants to wheelie all the time when you really accelerate.
The geometery, along with the single pivot, make this an ideal XC bike for bombing downhills. It's not a downhill bike by any means, but you can really haul ass down trails. I think the lightweight and the snappy acceleration combine well with the tube angles and suspension design to make a great trail bike. A lot of thought obviously went into this frame. With really light components, you could race this bike. I have more heavy duty components for trail riding, and my bike is still only 26 lbs.
4-bar bikes feel different in a lot of situations. If you're about to drop 2-3k on a new bike, ride all the different designs first, so you know what you're getting. Each has benefits and drawbacks.
I rode 'em all, and like the overall feel of the Superlight. It feels very balanced when you're on it, and helps me get through a lot of terrain I used to be sketchy on. If you ride a lot of bikes before you buy, instead of just reading magazines, you can judge on less tangible factors like they way the handling feels, and how well the geometry fits your body and riding style.
I would highly recommend this frame, quality is awesome and the folks at Santa Cruz are a pleasure to do business with.
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Submitted by
Zuke
a Cross Country Rider
from Draper, UT Date Reviewed: September 6, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Corner Canyon/Jacobs Ladder
Duration Product Used:
Tested or demo'ed only
Purchased At:
TNT Cycle & Ski
Strengths:
Incredible climber, extremely precise in the tight stuff.
Weaknesses:
A little scittery on the back wheel, it took a little while to find the balance point.
Similar Products Used:
Kona, Sugar 3+, Spec. Enduro
Bike Setup:
I am not a tech weenie so I don't know all the cool specs but it did have a "bomber" front shock with a really nice lock down feature.
Bottom Line:
This is the one, it seems to have an auxillary motor. I have a benchmark time for my demo ride from my house to the first rest stop and it is 45 minutes on my old rigid Reflex F1. Most f/s bikes have done the climb in the 50 minute range and this one did it in 42 minutes the first day and 41 minutes on the second day. It is the only f/s that has climbed better than the rigid bike. It had me riding in a couple of places that I usually have to walk and that's saying something!
Not only does it climb well but it is the most precise bike I have ever ridden. I never missed a line. It is a little more nervous than any other bike I've ridden but to me that's a good thing. It is not the most plush bike on the downhills but I decended my ride faster than the other more plush bikes probably because of the accuracy of the handeling. It sucked up the big hits on Jacobs Ladder very well and I was even confident enough to take a litte air in places I would usually not.
I also contacted the customer service department with some questions about this bike and the new "Blur" and they answered back the same day with very good camparisons between the two which led me to believe that the Superlight is probably a better choice for me. I was very impressed with their speedy and very informative reply.
If you can afford the extra bucks than this is a great deal. If not, than you might want to look at the Gary Fisher Sugars for this type of ridding.
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Submitted by
isaac
a
from boulder Date Reviewed: September 5, 2002
Favorite Trail:
swan river of colorado trail breckenridge - Butter!!
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Strengths:
simple and durable!
Weaknesses:
air shock will cheese out
Bottom Line:
Ya it's a great bike as you can gather by the multiple 5 star ratings. I do lots of riding and am a slacker about maintaining my bike and the SL has held up great. No rattles, rustles, zip. It's a wonderful bike that way - as solid and trouble free as any hardtail I 've owned.
2 other not so great comments.
The air shock will die on you. You might as well order a second when you buy the bike or you will be on the sidelines for a couple weeks while you wait for Fox to service it.
This bike does not climb like a hardtail. It climbs well and overall, in my opinion, makes rides "easier" and less taxing in general. BUT to say that it climbs as well as or better than a hardtail is just bs. Especially if you do lots of standing climbing coming from a Merlin xlm I felt like I was pedaling in some kind of viscious peanut butter. Out here in Colorado we do lots of big fire road climbs and I would hate to own this bike without a lockout. A must have in my book - to bad Cane Creek doesn't make one - I hear their shocks are great. Also with the lockout mounting spot it's super easy to reach down and flip in on or off depending on the trail.
All in all, great bike, amazingly low fuss, and a full susser for the real world. Excellent value too - with so many around you can find used for reasonable.
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Submitted by
Mister Giove
a Racer
from Walsenburg, CO Date Reviewed: September 5, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Path to school
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
Wheels!
Weaknesses:
Handle grips
Similar Products Used:
Huffy trail kika
Bike Setup:
wheels, pedals, card in the spokes, fasssst tires!
Bottom Line:
this is a kickin downhill ride! I drop curbs all the time with it and it just sucks them up.
rides through the grass well but not excellent.
water bottle holder is a little hard to get the bottle out of.
How do you fill these tubes up with air?
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Submitted by
M
a
from Minnesota Date Reviewed: September 4, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Mackenzie River Trail, Oregon
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2100.00
Purchased At:
Erik's Bike Shop in Minneapolis
Strengths:
Light, strong, simple, fast. A magnificent climber.
Weaknesses:
The top tube is on the short side.
Similar Products Used:
Longtime C'Dale hardtail fan. Tested lots of Specialized and Rocky Mountain stuff, plus Trek Fuel, Fisher Sugar. Rocky Mountain
Bike Setup:
Mostly XT; Avid brakes; Easton carbon h-bar, Duke Race up front; Fox Float R on the back.
Bottom Line:
This is a terrific bike, especially for hardtail fans looking to get suspended for the first time. The Superlight climbs better than my hardtail and descends a whole lot smoother. (That means fast, folks.) I just put it through its paces on a long tour of the Maah Daah Hey in North Dakota. The bike emited nary a whimper, tackling the bumps and dust, wicked cow pies and twisty single track like a pro. Someday I hope to be able to ride as well as this bike is capable of being ridden! The single pivot works flawlessly without all kinds of linkage squawk. You'll go fast and comfy on the Superlight.
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Submitted by
Henry Edmunds
a Cross Country Rider
from Atlanta, Ga., USA Date Reviewed: August 28, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Bull Mountain
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$2600.00
Purchased At:
Peachtree Bicycles
Strengths:
Light, easy transition from a hardtail, simple. As fast as my old STP 400 but MUCH more comfortable and more versatile.
Weaknesses:
None so far
Similar Products Used:
Trek STP 400, Trek Fuel(demoed), Cannondale f700, Gary Fisher genesis
Bike Setup:
Super x kit wit Fox Float 80
Bottom Line:
The first time on this bike I was noticeably faster and less fatigued following my normal after work ride. The thing is really quick on tight single track, is super plush and climbs like crazy. My riding buddy hasn't got a chance any more.
Normally after two laps of my afternoon ride I am exhausted and my back has started to hurt. Now I feel another lap is no sweat.
A four-bar FS bike( e.g. Horst link) may be closer to the "holy grail" of full suspension but I feel that I get 95% of the advantages with far fewer the disadvantages of those designs with this bike.
Harry, the idiot who posted earlier, needs to get a life. Posting negative comments about a product based on observing someone else's usage is stupid. He's also violated the review guidelines by not owning the bike.
Try this bike yourself - you'll like it.
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Submitted by
Michael Dove
a Cross Country Rider
from Tustin, CA Date Reviewed: August 22, 2002
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1100.00
Purchased At:
Two Wheeler Dealer
Strengths:
Incredible suspension action.
Weaknesses:
Top tube is short! I bought the "L" frame (I'm 5'9") wanting a 23" TT. The "virtual" TT measures only 22.5"
Similar Products Used:
Various high-end steel hardtails over the last 15 years. Used to say "Hardtails till I die!" Now I say "Why did I wait so long?"
Bike Setup:
Full XTR except RaceFace cranks and rings. Fox Float 100
Bottom Line:
If you are reading this, you are thinking about getting a SuperLight...Let me make it easy for you...BUY THIS BIKE!
I thought I was going to suffer on the climbs. My last hardtail was a 20.5 lb. wonder. Once rolling, the weight gain is moot. You can lift bikes all you want on the showroom floor, but I've yet to get off my bike and lift it while climbing a hill. I can climb faster now, I don't have to pick my lines and if I stay seated, it's next to impossible to break the rear wheel loose on steep, loose sandy climbs. Plus it's 100 times more fun going down the other side of the climb.
Which brings up a good point. My downhill speed (at the same comfort level) way up! So much so that my trusty XTR vee-brakes are inadequate. I never thought I would get discs, but I can point it and let it go on the same descents I used to crawl down on my hardtail! The only difference is now I have a smile, ear to ear, instead of a grimace...
I used to ride my MTB on Sat. and Sun. The weekdays were spent on my road bike while my back recovered...now I ride my MTB 5 days a week. Best thing I ever did...
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Submitted by
cycl_junkie
a Cross Country Rider
from R.S.M., CA USA Date Reviewed: August 21, 2002
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$2500.00
Strengths:
light, simple design, cool looking, climbs well, new '02 design makes air shock feel like coil...
Weaknesses:
simple design, brake jacking, SC says no can use a coil shock...
Similar Products Used:
Specialized FSR/XC, Specialized Enduro Pro
Bike Setup:
lrg. white powder frame, Zocchi MXC ECC fork, Hayes brakes, XT shifters, XTR cranks, XTR front/rear der, Mavic 317 w/Hugi 240 disc hubs, King headset, RaceFace stem, Thomson post, Flite saddle, 959 pedals, Panaracer Fire XC tires, Specialized Low Rise bars
Bottom Line:
This is my second SL. The '02 rear triangle really improved the ride. The Fox air shock feels very close to a coil (close I said, coil rules...). Santa Cruz redesigned the pivot design as well. The bike feels stiffer laterally when going through the nastys.
This bike is a great climber! I have a Float RL but honestly don’t use the lockout on climbs. On really steep ones I activate the ECC on my Zoke and leave the rear active. The suspension in the rear seems to make it easier to negotiate rocky or bumpy terrain while climbing.
I ride a large and would like to have a little longer top tube. I think mine is right at 23”. I think 23 ¾” would have been perfect. I run a 100mm fork. The head angle doesn’t seem to bother me. I’ve heard others talk about a 4” fork being too long. I think 100mm in the rear and 100mm up front is a match made in heaven.
I think that if you’re a little more XC than freeride, this is your bike. If you’re looking for something the huck, checkout the Ellsworth Id or the Bullit… If you want to race I think you could build up a scary light rig and still reap the benefits of F/S while you’re out spanking the rest of the pack. Ride hard and fast!
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Submitted by
T Taylor
a
from Leadville, CO Date Reviewed: August 20, 2002
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$1065.00
Purchased At:
Mountain Sports Outlet
Strengths:
Frame is light for FS, reasonably priced, and rides wonderfully.
Weaknesses:
None Yet
Similar Products Used:
Dean Colonel, Klein, etc.
Bike Setup:
XT, XTR, Duke Race, Avid rim brakes
Bottom Line:
I live in a very mountainous, very rocky area and needed to switch to FS without breaking the bank. I also wanted the simplicity the the SL offered. Bottom line is that I haven't had so much fun riding in a long time. The SL rides wonderfully. Very balanced. I don't notice bobbing much at all except when on long fast sections on road. The SL climbs wonderfully, hooking up much better on technical, steep sections than any of my hardtails. Great ride, very simple, very good product.
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Submitted by
carl
a Cross Country Rider
from p'cola, fl Date Reviewed: August 14, 2002
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1700.00
Purchased At:
colorado cyclist
Strengths:
faster than my hardtail
Weaknesses:
heavier than my hardtail
Similar Products Used:
this is my first fs bike. my hardtail is a f900.
Bike Setup:
it's built w/ the r kit but i swapped the seat and changed the bars w/ easton carbon. i also have magura hydraulics. it has a duke xc that leaks air fast.
Bottom Line:
The bike weights in at 27.5lbs. Kinda heavy. I was hoping to swap out wheels but the set that's on it was the same weight. I guess replacing the drive train will lighten it up in time. The paint is Honey Gold. It's a great color but it had some flaws in it. I'll have it scratched up soon though. The bike rails through corners. Downhill is still sketchy because I'm not sure if the fork is working properly. Uphill is good but i definitely feel the weight. The front end is light on steep climbs but I've learned to slide WAY forward in the saddle. The fork bobs alot out of the saddle but again it's broke. I don't get dropped any more or less than on my hardtail but I really don't have it dialed in. I was running 170lbs in the rear shock (they recommend 145lbs) and 180lbs in the fork. I've got 40lbs of tire pressure and i weight 175lbs. It's a sweet bike. I'm an extremely low maintenance kind of guy so having 1 pivot is great.
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Andreas Gamborg
a Cross Country Rider
from Aarhus, Denmark Date Reviewed: August 8, 2002
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Strengths:
A fast xc-bike that can take some abuse, I do 4-5 foot drops and some jumping. I know I'm not suppose to do this, but it is just asking for it. And so far there has been no problems. I use to get a very sore back after 2 hours on my c'dale hardtail, but I don't get that on the superlight. I think that is really important, its not fun riding if it hurts.
Weaknesses:
My setup is a little heavy (28 pounds) with the fat tires and freeride rims and cheap parts. But it is still faster then me!
Similar Products Used:
I owned C'dale: f700 96, f700 01 and f800 02. Tested a lot of bikes.
Bike Setup:
Marzocchi mxr coil 100mm, Sun Single Track rims on xt hubs with z-max 2.35 tires, ritchey stem and post, fox vannila rc and deore drivetrain and hydrolic disc brakes (I know but I couldn't afford anything else)
Bottom Line:
I have written some very positive reviews on cannondale hardtails (F700 and F800), but I take it all back! Not that there are bad, but there are not as good as the SL.
This is not a cheap bike. I paid 1200$ just for the frame, that is a lot money. But I would stil recommend it for all xc-riders. You can use the frame to make a fast and light xc-racer but you can also make semi-freeride/trail-bike (like mine).
Concerning the 225 lb. limit, if you are that heavy, I guess you don't ride enough.
The mxr coil is good fork, but not as sweet as the lefty. Is there any one how have heard about a adapter that makes it possible to mount a lefty on a 1-1/8 frame? I would love to hear about it.
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Submitted by
Holy Cromoly
a Cross Country Rider
from Parts Unknown Date Reviewed: July 30, 2002
Favorite Trail:
anything with longass climbs
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
- Quality workmanship - Balanced feel and quick handling - Plush rear suspension (Float RL) - Anodized finish is nice to look at
Superlight frame, Psylo SL fork, Avid mech disc, and some discount "take-off" parts from my old bike and the bike shop clearance bin.
Bottom Line:
I enjoy this bike every time I ride it.
It feels good for my type of riding, just your basic fire road trails and single tracks.
The workmanship on these frames are of high quality. The frame is very solidly built and I have no hesitations about it's strength.
I chose this bike after reading the 2002 MB Action review on it. I took a test ride and the bike felt very balanced to me. The geometry fit me and felt much better than my previous dual suspensions. The Superlight is vey nimble and reminds me of my BMX days, whereas my other dualies felt stable but very slow handlers.
The single pivot rear end doesn't bob on my climbs. I came to realize in my early dual suspension days that pedal induced bobbing was my fault on climbs because I had horrible pedalling techniques. So with my smooth pedaling, there is no noticeable bob on this frame at all. I rarely use the lockout.
I built my Superlight up with a Psylo SL fork. Santa Cruz says the frame was designed for an 80mm fork,but I have my Psylo set at 100mm and the bike still handles well even on climbs. I chose the Psylo SL because it was on sale, so I wasn't trying to make a freeride bike out of my XC bike.
I regret overlooking this bike for as long as I did. I first rode a Schwinn Rocket 88 then an FSR. All this time I never considered the Superlight because it was a single pivot and the 4-bar this and that was all the rage.
I ride here in dry Southern California where trails are gravel paved and rocky for the most part. This bike, to me at least, is ideal for my conditions.
The Superlight name can be misleading. In order to get the Superlight to be super light, you have to choose your parts wisely. I am not a weight weenie, so my Superlight is about 28 pounds with disc brakes. Not too bad, but I thought you readers should be aware that a Superlight can be heavier than the name suggest.
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JP
a Cross Country Rider
from Ga. Date Reviewed: July 4, 2002
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Purchased At:
lbs
Strengths:
Light, strong, handling
Weaknesses:
none
Bike Setup:
xt,xtr,thomson,etc
Bottom Line:
The ride is so killer. I addmit this is my first f.s. but the SL is light and doesnt give up anything for it. I just got back tonight from Moab and Arizona(most trails closed) and I totally put it to the test on Porcupine trail. It is a 7-8 mile fast downhill full of rocks, drops,etc and not a flaw in the frame. I lost my computer though. I got the lockout in rear and dont ever use it. Handles fast but predictable, gives me more confidence in every situation, and very important you can talk to somebody at Santa Cruz if you need to. Do have issues with my Fox fork, it has leaked a little since I got bike and now running down for. But Cruz didnt make it so not there problem. You wont be dissapointed!
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Submitted by
Alan Hanson
a Racer
from Raleigh Date Reviewed: July 3, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Chiva Falls
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1300.00
Purchased At:
LBS
Strengths:
Light. Nimble. Smooth. Great all around machine. And don't forget, Superb customer service.
Weaknesses:
Rear end flex. A few quality issues.
Similar Products Used:
Kleins, Specializeds, Treks, Fishers, and a Titus Loco.
Bike Setup:
XTR, King, Duke Race, and Thompson.
Bottom Line:
I have mixed feelings about this bike. I have had it about three months and have not yet had the perfect ride I always anticipated.
Initially, I discovered the rear end was out of alignment and the chain caught the weld on the drop-out when shifting out of the 12 gear in back. Santa Cruz informed me they have really only seen this issue with XTR cassettes. Anyway, thats what I use! But SC was very cool about replacing the rear triangle and quickly returning the frame.
Back to the trail I went. This time I was hauted with creaks from the rear shock mount pin. I tightend and lubed it. This seem to have helped but not completely resolved the problem. I noticed the metal pin and the inside of the shock sleeve were scored when I disassembled them to lube the joint.
The last thorn in my side about this bike is the drivetrain noise. I think it is due to front derailer rub when the rear end flexs. I've had it on a trainer to diagnose the problem and you can see the bottom bracket sway a bit and the chain rub the derailer when you're powering.
So there it is. I did not bother to detail the things I really like about this bike because everyone else has hit them. It is a very efficient and smooth racing machine. The geometry is great...the bottom bracket is a tad high, but it has not slowed me a bit.
I would strongly recommend this bike if you can inspect it at your local dealer first. You really don't want to have to return it an mess with the warranty issues as I have. But if you do end up orderining a SC, this company is the best in the business at fixing the problems.
Happy Trails.
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Submitted by
mike b
a
from Sodom in the North Date Reviewed: July 2, 2002
Favorite Trail:
bogs
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$920.00
Purchased At:
vision cyclery sf
Strengths:
light weight high speed cornering ability overall performance
Weaknesses:
tight switchbacks
Similar Products Used:
heckler fs/r a long line of hardtails
Bike Setup:
sensible xtr based group, 25.2lbs
Bottom Line:
this will be my third review of my new superlight, which i purchased in november of 2001.
so far, my frame has been reliable. the pivots all remain tight and there is no detectable lateral play in the suspension. the frame has begun to make the noises that all suspension bikes make, but i am of the opinion that this is a part of the dual suspension experience.
my fox vanilla r shock began to lose air pressure at a prodigeous rate after about the fourth month, but since then, all has been good with the frame and shock. santa cruz quickly sent my shop a rebuild kit which seems to have eliminated this issue.
i have since installed a WTB motoraptor 2.24 on the front wheel, which has drastically improved this bike's front traction and cornering ability. when combined with the relatively staid manitou sx r fork, these monster tires from WTB allow me to brake much later into corners than i would with a 2.1 zed race. when one combines this kind of performance from the front end with the suspension in the rear, the result is a bike that eats up fast rough terrain and a bike that begs to be pushed to the fastest speed you will dare ride downhill.
the only weakness i have found in this bike is that i find it harder to get around tight switchbacks as compared to my ibis, but the superlight is a size larger than my alibi and has a top tub which is a little more than one inch longer. this is a minor nit pick, however and i am learning to deal with this difference between the two bikes as i go along.
owning a full suspension bike for seven months has got me convinced that dualies are the way to go. i feel that my descending and technical ability improve drastically when i'm on my dualie, as compared to my hardtail. this bike and its design are well sorted out and inspire great rider confidence. when i built this bike, it came out to a pound over the hardtail i was riding, but let me tell you--that pound is simply just not an issue. i am riding just as fast, if not faster up hills (especially if the hills are rough) on my superlight.
if you are in the market for a full suspension bike, check out the superlight. it can be built to a reasobably light weight with sensible components, has sealed bearings and a simple, time tested design as compared to the fs/r and other four-bar desings. (my friend's fsr has developed a nasty loose linkage where the shock mates with the rear triangle) as i stated in my last review, i'm sure that switching from a hardtail to a dualie will extend your range and allow you to traverse that range much faster than one might do on a hardtail.
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Submitted by
David
a Weekend Warrior
from Los Angeles, CA U.S.A. Date Reviewed: July 2, 2002
Favorite Trail:
The entire Santa Monica Mountains
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Purchased At:
Helen's Cycle
Strengths:
This is an awesome bike. You can fly up a hill as well as glide down one. If you're into XC, this is the bike for you. If your into doing more light downhill, freeride, then get the Bullit or something that can take a beating.
Weaknesses:
This bike is a solid design for XC.
Similar Products Used:
The Superlight frame is solid, however I'm not happy with my fork (Duke XC). It just does not handle and soak up to my expectation. I'm thinking about replacing it with a Marzocchi or a Fox fork.
Bike Setup:
Superlight (Ferrari Red Medium), Shimano XTR components, Fox Float RC, Avid brakes and cable , Monkey Lite, Thompson, bla bla bla....
Bottom Line:
I highly recommend the Superlight if you are into XC, endurance, etc. The frame is super-duper-light and is a marvelous piece of artwork. You really appreciate it on a hot summers day when you're climbing steep hills. I purchased my bike 10 months ago and I sort of shifted my interest into light freeride/downhill. Unfortanately, my Superlight can't handle some of the tougher terrains. My knees hurt when I do 2 to 3 feet jumps/landings. So, I recently purchased a Buillit (based on my enormous satifaction with my Superligth) which is perfect for more extreme biking. It solve my knee problem too. If you're into XC the superlight get eleven thumps up. Also, I would like to add the Santa Cruz customer service is exceptional. E-mail your questions and you get prompt, curtious, and professional responses within 24 hours. It's an added value to your purchase.
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Tim Dionne
a Cross Country Rider
from New Paltz, NY, USA Date Reviewed: July 2, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Woodside at the Gunks
Duration Product Used:
Tested or demo'ed only
Purchased At:
Table Rock Bicycles
Strengths:
This bike is amazing. Great climbing with good traction and limited bob, frame design lends to a very controlled ride. It earns its name. Great build kits at a reasonable price.
Weaknesses:
None that I have discovered at this time.
Similar Products Used:
K2 Razorback, not even close.
Bike Setup:
Great balance of components.
Bottom Line:
This bike rocks from top to bottom. I was very hesistant to leave my Scott hardtail behind until I tested this gem. It was an easy decision after two days of 40 or so miles. I was suprised to see how well it climbs and did not feel the effects of any bobbing. The descents are tight and controlled with the suspension package, this bike is a bullet, it seems to want to continue to accelerate at all times which I had a hard time with, you see the smile on my face was so big it took me two days to get the bugs out of my teeth. If you ride consistently on technical terrain and want a mid priced full suspension with a great package this bike is for you. Thank you Santa Cruz
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josh
a Weekend Warrior
from canonsburg, PA, USA Date Reviewed: June 26, 2002
Favorite Trail:
south park, boyce park
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$1250.00
Purchased At:
speedgoat
Strengths:
minimal maintenance, light, strong, great looking bike
Weaknesses:
paint scratches kind of easy, no touch up paint available. some pedal induced bob.
Similar Products Used:
test rode giant xtc, ellsworth truth, yeti, intense tracer, etc
first off - i totally agree with EVERYTHING that chris (a few entries below says), but am NOT the same person (despite the scary similarities)!!!
this bike rocks!!! i went from a OCLV carbon fiber fisher that i LOVED, and this bike picked up right where the other bike left off. didn't even have a 'getting use to' time. the bike is responsive and so far bullet proof! it is not the most plush bike i've ever sat on, but that was what i wanted. the single pivot design is nice for taking the edge off bumps but not feeling like a lincoln continental.
only problems i've had was that i scratched the paint with my bar ends during a fall (have since gotten riser bars and ditched the bar ends). i called santa cruz (VERY cool guys by the way - sent me free stickers!!!) who told me that they don't have touch up paint, so i went to a hobby shop and bought a few bottles of paint and mixed up a fairly close fax-simili. then covered it up with a sticker! also, it does have some pedal bob, but nothing too severe. i find that i get uphills just as easily as my fisher hard tail did. last, is a little costly, but i guess when you get a bike that is made in the USA and isn't cookie cutter, you pay for it.
overall i am totally happy with my superlight. and it is just that - superlight. not sure what it weighs in at, but i know it is the lightest dual suspension (with disc brakes) i've picked up. makes me a little nervous hauling my big ass around (weigh in at approx 210lbs), but it is rated up to 225lbs and it doesn't complain when i get on. i highly recommend this bike to any cross country rider (not the best choice for downhillers/freedriders?). and as chris also stated, SPEEDGOAT ROCKS!!! they know anything and everything about anything and everything (at least bike related). nice people, great shop, great selection!!!
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Simon Molyneux
a Cross Country Rider
from Aberdeen, Scotland Date Reviewed: June 20, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Anything dirty in the woods
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
Stif cycles online
Strengths:
Light weight, awesome uphill, really awesome downhill. very forgiving ride, although quite sharp sterring. Setup still requires some tuning but pure class shines through.
Weaknesses:
None yet except the price. PAint job could be higher quality
Simple the best bike I have ever got on. Light, fast easy to ride. Huge improvement over my Specialized hardtail. Got a great setup, if you are goignto do it, do it properly. No compromise
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Lisa Purnell
a Weekend Warrior
from Winchester, England Date Reviewed: June 18, 2002
Favorite Trail:
South Downs Way
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$3780.00
Purchased At:
Stif in Leeds
Strengths:
A lght responsive bike. Brilliant for long distance and endurance riding.
Weaknesses:
Maybe too responsive at the front, but that may be me. I am not as confident on the SL as my Heckler (yet)
Similar Products Used:
SC Heckler 5 years old
Bike Setup:
Full XTR, Mavic 517 with Continental 1.5 Cross Country tyres. Juliana saddle and grips. RS Sid SL's and Fox Float rear shock. Shimano 959's. Small anodised blue frame weighs in at 23 lbs.
Bottom Line:
I have only used this bike for a short time and while I like the riding position I have not quite got used to the twitchy handling. As a comparison to my Heckler it is like going from a family saloon to a sports car and I thought the Heckler was good. I think that the US market gets a better deal price wise. For English weather there is no better design as we get lots of mud and the position of the rear shock is perfect. So far it has coped with Salisbury Plain (English for tank driver training ground) and next week a 62 mile long distance race in very mountainous Wales. I am hoping for great things from this bike having read all the other reviews, time will tell whether I made the correct choice.
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Dan Pasternak
a Cross Country Rider
from Castro Valley,Ca Date Reviewed: June 14, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Brandon Trail
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$3800.00
Purchased At:
Robinson Cyclery
Strengths:
Climbs Great,feels nice and stiff.Great tracking and handling.This bike feels super fast.
Weaknesses:
None that i can think of yet.
Similar Products Used:
GTi drive,Specialized FS,
Bike Setup:
Shimano XTR,XT,Hope Minis,Chris King Headset & ISO Hubs,Mavic317,IRC Mythos Salsa ,Titec,Salsa Moto Ace Fox float rl,Rock Shox duke xc
Bottom Line:
I've been Mountainbike riding for 20 years and finally treated myself to a full suspension bike.After riding my GT hardtail for the last five years i just can't beieve what a rush it is to ride the sl.This bike climbs extremely well and descends like a champ.I had my bike setup at the shop i bought it at. I'm totally satisfied with this bike.My only reservation is should i have waited a few xtra months and checked out the Blur.Of course that would mean spend more money. If you are a weekend warrior/crosscountry rider,this is the bike for you. Dont buy this bike if you are a downhill racer.
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Merv The Bike Slave
a Weekend Warrior
from Singapore Date Reviewed: June 10, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Bukit Timah & beyond
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
Two Wheel Action
Strengths:
Light, strong, rides sweetly once you're dialed in, overall, i'm going faster than on my klein hardtail, fabulous downhill, pretty darn good uphill (better than my klein or is it just 'new-bike' adrenaline).
Weaknesses:
my riding partner never heard of santa cruz and it nearly killed him to hear the price.
Similar Products Used:
nothing similar about this little fella.
Bike Setup:
Fox Float 100 RLC (front), Fox Float RL (rear), Mavic 517 & DT Hugi, XT crank, XT front der, SRAM 9.0 SL half pipes & rear der, Thomsom Elite seatpost, Koobi AU Chrono saddle, Easton Monkeylite XC carbon lowriser bar, Time ATAC pedals to match the gray anodized finish, Avid 7 SD brakes, goretex/teflon cables. Bast-ard rider with big grin.
Bottom Line:
I love riding this bike. My Klein was fabulous to ride for 3 years but the Superlight is in a different league altogether. It is a dream to ride. I ride faster lap times, with less huffing/puffing. Bomb downhills like never before. Steam uphill in a higher gear. Pose at the end of it all because I can still stand up (no body-pounding abuse like from the alum hardtail). If you can afford it and you're a heartless bast-ard around your riding buddies, TEST ride this bike, then buy it!
P.S. I think need help. I now wake up at 4 am every morning dreaming of the next ride. I'm not a morning person. What should I do--yoga?
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Shane
a Cross Country Rider
from Springdale, UT 84767 Date Reviewed: June 6, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Mary's Loop
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$2900.00
Purchased At:
Colorado Cyclist
Strengths:
Design, design, design. Amazing how this bike will flow on the trail. Its put me in that sacred zone so frequently I'm just giddy with it. The lockout on the front Sid and the rear Fox are incredible! I couldn't imagine not having this control. I'm a hardtail convert and after two weeks of adjustment and dialing in the setup, I'm a better rider. That means mucho fun. If you are in the market for a cherry bike, consider the Superlight!
Weaknesses:
Haven't found any yet. I'm definitely requiring more maintenance than the bike. She loves to run!
Similar Products Used:
My old bike was a Cannondale Delta V hardtail with Titec and XT.
Bike Setup:
Full XTR, Easton Carbon Bar and Post, King Headset, Rockshox Sid SL, Fox RL, X517's, Speedplay Pedals, Continental Vertical Pro Tires, Flite Saddle.
Bottom Line:
I ordered an Ibis in October and found out in January that they went out of business (thanks for telling me). I ordered a Dean in February and at the end of April still hadn't got it (direct from the factory) so I tried the Superlight and loved it. Definitely a stronger bike than the others I tried. Solid, smooth, amazing. A small company that put their efforts into their bikes and their customers. No mass production here, no full line of cheap accessories, no run-around. The setup is about as perfect for me as could be. Don't buy a bike without trying this super machine!
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John
a Cross Country Rider
from Denver Date Reviewed: May 31, 2002
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$3500.00
Purchased At:
Denver Bicycle Werx
Strengths:
The geometry makes for a well balanced ride. The rear end is nice and stiff. Anodized finish is nice for the few extra $$. The bike pedals brilliantly with just enough activity but never too much even in the granny gear. Good price relative to the competition e.g. Intense, Ellsworth, Maverick
Weaknesses:
Yeah there is a little brake jack. But not anything annoying. I haven't found any other issues.
Similar Products Used:
Intense Tracer (owned for 2 years), Maverick (friends bike) and other hard tails
Bike Setup:
All the good stuff with Marzocchi Marathon (this fork rocks by the way)
Bottom Line:
I ride faster up and down on this bike than I ever did on my Intense. I believe the Intense has a slightly more plush feel only on the smaller stuff but the bottom bracket height through the entrie balance of the bike off for me. I can ride this bike faster than any bike I've even owned. Buy one, you'll love it.
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Submitted by
Elgator
a Weekend Warrior
from Alberta, Canada Date Reviewed: May 29, 2002
Favorite Trail:
moose packers
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Purchased At:
Calgary Cycle
Strengths:
Excellent geometry, stiff and yet very light, high BB hight.
This bike rocks, I love it, great climber and awesome downhiller, I was looking for a all around bike to replace my excellent "but recalled" Loco Moto frame and ended up with the Superlight, I like it as much if not better. Added the Black Elite fork and this bike is stiff and handles great. You really get a confident feel on this rig. I receantly went to Moab,Utah for my first rides with my new Superlight and I was really impressed with how easy it was to adapt to this bike. This ones a keeper, you know the kind you can bring home to meet mom.
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Submitted by
gustfront
a Weekend Warrior
from Sydney, NSW, Australia Date Reviewed: May 24, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Red Hill
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Purchased At:
2nd Hand
Strengths:
Light, accelerates well, easy climbing, great feedback, tracks well downhill.
Weaknesses:
None found yet. Feels a little light or skittery in the front but this will probably improve with time.
Similar Products Used:
None
Bike Setup:
Psylo, front shock, Fox RL rear, Avid cable disks, Shimano XT stuff, Hutchison Pythons, comfy seat.
Bottom Line:
Previous bike was a KHS soft-tail which I loved, but the 1st ride on this was a revelation. Climbs beautifully and going fast on windy single track is almost effortless. I raced it on my 2nd ride and bettered my previous best time by 5 minutes. Haven't really tested it on difficult technical stuff yet but indications are that it should handle it well. This is a bike you could race no problems. It also doubles as an excellent freeride machine. I never thought a bike that could do both so well existed. It's certainly at the highish end of the price scale but in some ways you get two bikes for the price of one. Probably not as bullit-proof as dedicated free-ride machines but perfect for a weekend rider like me. It feels so light, stiff and responsive that I am left wondering how strong it is - I guess time will tell. For now though, I am very happy with this bike.
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Dan Gorgichuk
a Cross Country Rider
from Edmonton, Canada Date Reviewed: May 24, 2002
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$2300.00
Purchased At:
Pedalheads
Strengths:
This bike excels when pedaling over flat rooty sections and bombing downhill over similar terrain.
Weaknesses:
If you get the coil over Fox "Vanilla R" it make climbing more difficult. It can't be locked out so forward momentum is absorbed when ascending rough or technical single-track. In those places where remaining seated is impossible and you are required to hop out of the saddle, there is significant "pedal induced bob". This action saps your strength and causes the rear tire to loose traction. If your bike is set up like mine, where both front and rear shocks are not lock out capable, the bike starts to 'porpoise' back and forth when ascending. Heavy 29.25lbs (more a part selection problem).
Similar Products Used:
This is my first full suspension. I have nothing to compare it to except my Brodie hardtail.
Bike Setup:
XT components, Race Face bars and crank, Hayes Disc, Mavic 223 disc rims, XT Hubs, Pyslo XC, Fox 'Vanilla R' (rear)
Bottom Line:
The 'Superlight' is a well made machine. The attention to detail in this frame is amazing. Some cable routing issues. The people at Santa Cruz will treat you right and are easily reached via email. I have had no mechanical problems at all. And frankly, I expect trouble free riding for the price I paid. It is an able all-mountain bike. The ride is plush and you'll be able to drop your buddies on the descents and flat single track. But, be careful when selecting this bike to buy. If you make the mistake I did in not getting lock out, and you are at all doing cross-country, do not get this bike. The ascents leave you absolutely bagged after a 3 hour ride. On the other hand, if you don't care about the hills and are more inclined to free riding, it is the perfect set up. I'm selling this beauty to return to my hardtail roots. Replacing the shocks for after market lock out varieties is an enormous some of money. To bad I didn't consider this befoer I bought. Hope you don't make the same mistake.
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Submitted by
Patrick
a
from Miss, Ont, Can Date Reviewed: May 17, 2002
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
Amazing handling, very predictable. Astute climber Confident decents
Weaknesses:
Medium to heavy braking on rough surface (causes some back end chatter)
Similar Products Used:
Tried a lot of frames, only really have ridden Y bikes, GTS and Specialized
Bike Setup:
2001 SC SL, Hayes Disks, Z.1 4in, race face next lp crank, Mavic disk wheelset, Hutchenson Mosquito tires, xt everything else, excpet my tompson post (actually it is more artistic then useful)
Bottom Line:
Well I bought this bike on a whim. I found the frame for 1200 Canadian at a bike show and grabbed it up. Slowly put it together with a whole bunch of componets i had never really tried before. Disk brakes, race face cracks, tubelss wheels and so forth.
First ride out was supposed to be a learning experience. Ended up at a place holding a race that night and decided to join up. By the third lap i had figured out my bike and was out pacing all the people around me through the single track sections. I would say i finished within the top 15, which was rather respectable as it was my first ride, new bike and i was not really in the greatest of conditioning.
The bike really felt good after switching from a hard tail (FS Stumpjumper). It took me a while to figure out how to stop the rear end from chattering under hard braking on rough surfaces (something all single pivot bikes tend to suffer from).
I must say i am very pleased, i think i paid the right amount for the bike and that it should last me a good long time. Felt awesome through the corners, rough sections and was so very confident to decend with.
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Submitted by
Chris
a Cross Country Rider
from PA Date Reviewed: May 6, 2002
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$1800.00
Purchased At:
Speedgoat
Strengths:
Light, fast, climbs like my hardtail, acts like a free ride machine when pointed downhill, just enough travel for all around trail use, good looking bike. AND I bought it from the great people at Speedgoat, they flat out rock!
Weaknesses:
No top tube relief on the medium frame- straight top tube. paint chips kind of easily
Similar Products Used:
GTs, Fisher Sugar+, ellsworth truth, ID, (Ellsworth are nice but way too $$$, feel rather sluggish when compared to the superlight)
Bike Setup:
med SL frame with vanilla R coil over shock, Marzocchi Atom race 100 w/ ECC, All XTR drivetrain, XTR Vee brakes, Rolf Propel wheels w/xtr hubs. a lot of older components from my old bike.
Bottom Line:
Just built up the Santa Cruz frame from an older fisher race bike i bought a few years back. First impresions after four good rides (about 40 miles in total) are great! This bike really inspires confidence and feels super solid, not like a pure XC ride. If i decide to start racing, this bike would be great with a few minor changes- probably 80mm front and rear air shock.
Really glad i went with the 100mm coil front shock for all around use, saved my ass several times already. Even though there is a pretty big weight penalty w/ the coil, it is 100% improvement over the 80mm sid i just got rid of. Weight is sort of a non-issue for those of us who are not competative racers.
Rear end is not super plush like the GT i-drive or ellsworth, but it smooths out the rough stuff and works like a charm. actually, it works so well you forget its doing its thing. My superlight is like a ultra-quick cross country racer that screams downhill. You get minimal bob from the rear end. I think you can argue about the ineffectivness of single pivot all day long, but the proof is in the pudding, as they say, and this bike can climb and descend with the best of them!
It's so pretty. I know only losers worry about looks, but sometimes i find myself gazing at my new ride and just smiling, it looks so nice.
All in all, a great bike and a good value. It is as close to perfect for me as i have found thus far. i would say that if you are an agressive xc rider who rides with a group of leg-shaving racers one day, and some wheelie-dropping free riders the next, then the santa cruz SL is a good bike for you.
(Keep in mind, this is not a freeride rig, It looks a bit like one, but any attempt to drop 6 feet to flat will probably break it in two!)
Price shown above refers to the frame and upgrades, not the whole brand new bike.
One last Speedgoat plug- The whole gang at Speedgoat in Laughlintown, PA is great. They offer intelligent advice on component choices, turn wrenches like a nascar pit crew, and are right smack dab in the middle of some first class Appalachian singletrack. Buy stuff from them!
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Submitted by
Matt
a Cross Country Rider
from San Francisco Date Reviewed: April 23, 2002
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$3200.00
Strengths:
Light, tracks better than my hardtail, great climber with or without the lockout.
Weaknesses:
OK...This sounds lame, but it may be too light on some climbs, giving some hopping in the back over bigger rocks. I will probably learn how to handle this as I get to know the bike better.
Similar Products Used:
FSR Elite (great bike too, but a lot heavier, with more lateral movement in the back end).
Bike Setup:
Standard Superlight frame/shock setup. Drivetrain: Shimano XTR in back, RaceFace up front. XTR brakes and hubs. Mavic 517 wheels. Front Suspension: Marzocchi Atom 80.
Bottom Line:
This bike cost me some serious cash, but it all seems worth it when I am riding. For long cross country riding, I expect that this bike will be exactly what I need: light, comfortable, strong and fun to ride. It is still early in my experience, but so far I love this bike.
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Submitted by
AARON STURGES-MELBY
a Racer
from SANTTA MARIA,CA,USA Date Reviewed: April 22, 2002
Favorite Trail:
NOBLE CANYON, SAN DIEGO
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Price Paid:
$3200.00
Purchased At:
CAMBRIA BICYCLE OUTFITTERS
Strengths:
the weight and 4 inches of travel. simple design with bearings not bushings. warranty.
the guy named guy must not get to go out and play much! this is the best full bike ive ever ridden. he brags about specialized and i have had 2 friends that have had 3 each under warranty, they have a problem with the rear dropouts being welded on straight. one friend rides a intense and is not impressed and he rides more than most of california put together. the superlight has lockout front and rear for those road rides to the trail. i spent 6hrs on mine yesterday and don't feel that bad today besides the wasp sting on my forehead. dollar for dollar and ride quality you cant beat the value here. the only thing i think could be better is a paul turner maverick but you could have 2 superlights for that. I have a blur on order so well see how they compare. if you want a no bull bike that works and no up keep this is the bike for you. If you want a flash in the pan 24 pivot pig that squeaks to and from the trail this is not for you.
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Submitted by
Andy Jenner
a Weekend Warrior
from Windsor Ont. Can Date Reviewed: April 19, 2002
Full XTR, Mavic 517, Hugi Hubs, XT Hollow, Thomson post, Monkey lite Bar, Avid Ti barkes, Speed Play pedals, Marethon Fork
Bottom Line:
I bought the bike for it out standing Performance, It climbs well,sigle tracks awesome,this bike will hold an awesome line,This bike is simple design but works great, I do feel some flex in the rear but what full suspension wouldn't. Yes there is a slight pedal bob but so minimul it does not bother me ,let alone makes sure you are pedaling proper .I spent 8 mounths looking for a fs test riding alot and reading reveiws and I must say this bike is as good or better than I ever expected
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Submitted by
Arco Brin
a Cross Country Rider
from Lehi, Ut, USA Date Reviewed: April 17, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Mudd springs
Duration Product Used:
More than 3 years
Price Paid:
$2500.00
Purchased At:
Bike Peddler
Strengths:
Fast, very fast, light, super light and good looking.
Weaknesses:
It only turns guys heads.
Similar Products Used:
Specialized stumpjumper
Bike Setup:
Psylo Sl, XTR-XT componets, Hayes H. disc, TIME peddles.
Bottom Line:
I took this bike to Moab to break it in and loved every turn, bump and hill. This is the bike of bikes, it is very fast and with the right shock it could be faster. Dont get me wrong I realy like my Psylo, I bought it to get a bit more agressive, and it works great. The breaks stop on a dime and have plenty of power, but all in all its the bike that I love the most. Its delivers and takes the ride to a new level. Persons looking for a cross contry race bike this is for you. IF you live in N. Utah go to The Bike Peddler for any help, they treat you good and know their stuff.
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Submitted by
Tom Bowman
a Weekend Warrior
from Mission Viejo, CA Date Reviewed: April 16, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Chain Saw
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$2900.00
Purchased At:
The Bike Company
Strengths:
Simple, light, functional, easy to maintain, minimal pivots to wear out.
Weaknesses:
Rear has a little flex when putting sideways stress on it.
Similar Products Used:
GT i-Drive
Bike Setup:
XT group, Mavic 317's, Thomson post & stem, ProTaper carbon bar, Hope mini-discs, Fox Float RL rear/Vanilla R front, Mutanoraptors, Selle Italia "ProLink" gel, King headset.
Bottom Line:
For a trail rider, this is a super-nice ride. Smooth suspension, confident steering, and competent at everything I've pointed it at, plus it looks "trick" with the anodized color. I'd say it isn't for heavy riders or out-of-bounders, more of an XC mount for the fit single-track carver. There may be "tricker" setups out there, but this design gets it done! Climbs better than anything else I've ridden. If you have a chance to get one, go for it, and get the Fox suspension.
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Submitted by
Shawn
a Cross Country Rider
from Michigan Date Reviewed: April 15, 2002
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Purchased At:
Bike Store
Strengths:
The ride, it's stiff, fun going up and down the hills!
Weaknesses:
I had issues with the front der. cable rubbing the inside of the chainstay (no biggie). Other than that I'm the weakness
Similar Products Used:
FSR, Sugar
Bike Setup:
XL frame. SRAM 9 der's, brakes, shifters, leavers, Titec post, stem, bar, Duke sl 100, Raceface crank, Spinergy wheels. Stans No Tube Kit
Bottom Line:
I started my search for a new bike about a year ago. My sugar just wasn't living up to the hype. I had owned one of the first FSR specialized bikes and loved it. I looked at those first. But the reason I got rid of it was all the pivots and upkeep involved. So I test rode the Isis and liked that then a friend recommended the SL. One ride and I had to have one. I ride a lot and race a bit and this bike is perfect for everything from all day rides to a XC racing. My bike is only 25pds and an XL size so it is XC light and the parts I picked are sensible. It climbs very well. Going downhill is a blast. The front 100mm suspension matches the rear very well. This bike is very balanced in the tight stuff. All in all this is a great all around bike for the XC rider or racer.
I have to tell you about the No tube kit I am using. I tried the Mavic UST system but it was a pain and heavy. Got rid of it and bought some closeout spinergy's for the light weight. I read a review about the Stans no Tube Kit and decided to give it a try. I have abouut 500mles on the system and it has worked great. It is a rim strip that seals your rim and then some juice you put in the tires to seal it. I run regular kevlar tires and enjoy all the benifits of the UST system. If you get a chance try it. No I'm not sponsered by them it just works and is cheap..... Cheers
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Submitted by
Dave
a Racer
from Victoria BC Date Reviewed: April 15, 2002
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$3500.00
Purchased At:
The Bike Cellar
Weaknesses:
Second water bottle mount in a useless position. Even in races it is often necessary to carry more than one bottle.
Similar Products Used:
cdale raven
Bike Setup:
All XTR w/ Dura-ace bb & 959's, Sid Race Carbon, Easton CT2 bars & post, thomson stem, 517 ceramic w/ dt revolution, old cdale branded ti rail saddle and titec foam grips. 23lbs
Bottom Line:
This bike is amazing it climbs, descends and carves fast single track. Santa Cruz has refined the high single pivot to perfection! The suspension just works. You don't notice it, it's just there doing it's job, keeping the trail smooth and letting you put the power down. I almost didn't even consider the superlight when I was making the shortlist; however, one test ride and I my shortlist became just one bike. Disc brakes would be nice, but to keep the weight down, the price jumps through the roof.... maybe next year I'll have to upgrade to the new XTR ;)
Of course this bike isn't for everyone, but if your looking to build a lightweight xc bike
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Submitted by
James Power
a Cross Country Rider
from Calgary Date Reviewed: April 13, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Cox Hill/Porcupine Rim
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$3000.00
Strengths:
Versatile, light, comfortable, climbing, descending, steering, inexpensive compared to other options, timeless
Similar Products Used:
Scalpel, various hardtails
Bike Setup:
Medium SL, float R, Psylo Race, Avid discs, XT, 317s, Fire Pros
Bottom Line:
I raced this bike last year with a SID SL and v brakes, now it's gained a 100mm Psylo, discs and a couple of pounds. Has evolved into a trail bike (the Scalpel goes racing). Either way the SL frameset can do it all from World Cup XC racing to trail riding and light freeride. Inspires confidence, climbs well seated and standing, steers and tracks rock solid. I like it better with 100mm fork, comfortable and well balanced. Great epic all day ride/endurance racing bike. If I had only one bike, this would be it. Hope the new Blur is this good.
I'm not sure the last reviewer who gave the bike one chilli has ridden a Superlight.
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Dave
a Cross Country Rider
from Boulder, CO USA Date Reviewed: April 9, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Today? Hall Ranch
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
Light, Stiff, Nimble, Lively, Wonderful ride.
Weaknesses:
Perhaps the deraileur hanger should be replaceable...
Similar Products Used:
Specialized FSRxc, Gary Fisher Sugar, many hardtails
Bike Setup:
2002 RS SID SL, Fox Float RL, Bontrager Valiant/XTR, XT drivetrain, XTR brakes, Panaracer FireXC Pro, blah, blah... This is a FRAME REVIEW mostly.
Bottom Line:
Granted, I've only had the bike for less than one month, so take my review with a grain of salt. However, the number of rave reviews from the trade mags and from this site should indicate the product?s performance. So it is Guy, a poster of the only negative review so far with whom I have the following bones to pick:
Guy suggests many other bikes with 4-bar linkages beat the Superlight in the following categories: simplicity, reliability, lightweight, affordability, and ride quality. Most surprising, Guy claims bikes from Specialized, Intense, Titus, Norco, and Turner have lighter FS frames. Well, this claim is BUNK! Just check out each of the manufacturer?s websites. I did, and discovered that the Superlight, at just 5 lbs. with rear shock is at least a half pound lighter than XC FS frames from each of these manufacturers (Norco doesn?t even market a FS XC racing frame!).
Intense Tracer - 6 lbs. Specialized Stumpjumper FSRxc Pro - 5.5 lbs. Titus Switchblade - 5.6 lbs. Norco - No XC racing Full Suspension on their website... Turner 02 - 5.5 lbs. Santa Cruz Superlight - 5 lbs!
With respect to simplicity, Guy doesn?t even bother defending his argument. Clearly fewer moving parts, fewer pivots, means greater simplicity and likely easier maintenance.
I cannot really comment on product reliability, but suffice to say, Santa Cruz offers a lifetime warranty for the Superlight. Yes, there?s a published rider weight limit of 240 lbs. but that?s just to dissuade the big boys from taking big drops. This is an XC racing frame! I would suggest a 250 pound rider worry about losing some weight before worrying about the bike?s weight?
Finally, regarding ride quality, look at the following reviews: http://www.twa.com.sg/santacruz/superlight_9.html http://www.santacruzmtb.com/bicycles/superlight/reviews.asp
I look forward to posting my review after a season of riding, but after less than a month I?m having trouble pulling my titanium hardtail out of the garage for rides?
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Submitted by
JP
a Weekend Warrior
from RSM, SoCal Date Reviewed: March 26, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Old Camp, Rockit and Meadows, Chutes
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$2500.00
Purchased At:
The Bike Compnay
Strengths:
Light weight Low maintenance Nimble and confidence inspiring handling
Weaknesses:
Bike's fine, could use upgraded pilot
Similar Products Used:
Variety of hardtails, FSR XC
Bike Setup:
Anno blue, Fire XC Pro 2.1s, XFly 100, Fox Float RC, XT drive train, Avid V Brakes, Thomson post, Flite, Monkey Lite & ATAC Carbons
Bottom Line:
I don't have much to which I could compare this bike, so I can't say "It's the best". I can say that I've quit looking at new bikes since the first ride a year and a half ago.
The bike is a good climber. The Fox has a lock out, but I don't use it except on well known, smooth trails. The traction lost to the lock out isn't worth the small gain in power. I don't experience much bobbing, but I'm light and have a pretty smooth spin from years of road riding.
The SuperLight is an absolute delight in tight single track. It's nearly thought quick and sure footed.
The bike shines in the down hill world too. Actually, around here there's a bunch of down cliff - to hell with the "hill" stuff. The XFly 100 weighs enough that my SuperLight is just light, not super light. OTOH, the fork has saved my bacon more than once when an abundance of enthusiasm over powered mere self preservation. While I like the forks, I wish they were lighter. I'm avoiding disk brakes because I don't want any more weight up front.
I had problems getting the suspension sorted out. I weigh 125# and the suggested settings for both the XFly and the Fox are pretty close to lockout. I'm currently running 26 psi on the XFly 70psi on the Fox. Even a few psi either way does amazingly awful things to the handling. The rebound controls on both ends are set just above midway. BTW, I'm 5'7" and a medium frame is the right size for me.
I ride a couple of thousand miles a year and the maintenance work has been minimal.
The SuperLight is a fine match for my riding style and terrain. I think it might be over kill in less rugged conditions. A lighter, but less capable fork would be a good trade off for less demanding down hill/cliff exploits.
I may not know what's "best", but I certainly love my SuperLight and I definitely got my money’s worth on this purchase. I have never, ever gotten so much enjoyment out of $2500!
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Submitted by
BOB
a Cross Country Rider
from CHARLOTTE, NC Date Reviewed: March 25, 2002
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Bottom Line:
FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO USE THIS BIKE AS A DOWNHILL MACHINE, YOU BOUGHT THE WRONG PRODUCT.. THIS IS A CROSS COUNTRY RACER. A GOOD DOWNHILL FRAME IS THE HECKLER MADE MY SANTA CRUZ. SOME WHAT LIKE THE SUPERLIGHT BUT MADE FOR DOWNHILL. OR GO TO THE VPP DESIGN.
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John Elliott
a Cross Country Rider
from San Diego Date Reviewed: March 24, 2002
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$2100.00
Purchased At:
mtnbike warehouse
Strengths:
simple design, lite and fast
Weaknesses:
none
Similar Products Used:
giant, cannondale, gary fisher
Bike Setup:
superlite x
Bottom Line:
I bought my bike last year and have ridden all over so cal, oregon and the ride was so sweat that I even took it with me to new zealand for 2 months. Insane single track down there. I have had no problems. Sounds like the previous reviewer had his bike set up poorly. Go try one. You'll be stoked!
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Ian Leitch
a Cross Country Rider
from England Date Reviewed: March 22, 2002
Favorite Trail:
At the moment it's St Marthas Hill
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$4000.00
Purchased At:
Stif
Strengths:
Simplicity, comfort, tracking - the handling especially coupled with the Fox forx is point and shoot!
Weaknesses:
I am confused by the climbing - Yes climbing is more comfortable but it is slower than my Pace hardtail which I have just come from. Perhaps set up or getting used to rear suspension will cure this.
Similar Products Used:
Yeti ASR - S Works M4FSR
Bike Setup:
Large anodised green frame with Ratsa andised bits..Fox RLC FOrx, Hope hubs and mini discs, King H/s, CT2 post and Monkeybar, XTR.
Bottom Line:
First impressions are good. I find the bike more supple than the ASR though the weight and climbing of the machine were not quite in the ballpark I was expecting. Downhill is solid - but conditions here in England are sooo Muddy at the moment it is hard to really appreciate the bikes strengths... that said I was saved from three BIG incidents in the first week which on my old Pace would have had me in a lot of pain! I am well pleased with the fork though ... SOOOO much better than my old Pace one. I think with more and more riding I will get used to this bike and it will become a real friend to me on the long hauls.... It'll take time as I have been riding, racing and hammering around on a hardtail for the last 15years. Any thoughts on set up or riding style would be appreciated. I do want to get ALL the travel though so I dont want the shock to be XC racer firm!
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Submitted by
Scott
a Racer
from Grand Rapids, MI Date Reviewed: March 20, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Yankee Springs
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$2800.00
Purchased At:
Frame direct from Santa Cruz
Strengths:
Smooth ride. Lateral stiffness. Lightweight frame. Fox shock.
Weaknesses:
none
Similar Products Used:
Sugar 2
Bike Setup:
Large anondized frame w/Fox RL rear shock. XT cranks/bb shifters, XTR deraileurs, Avid Ti brakes, King headset, Race Face system stem, Easton Carbon bar, Titec carbon seatpost, Flight Ti seat, Sram chain, Duke SL fork, King hubs w/Velocity Aeroheat rims, Wildgripper CompS tires, Time pedals
Bottom Line:
I went from racing a Fisher hardtail to the Superlight this year. My hardtail with a SID XC fork and nice parts mix still weighed around 23lbs. My Superlight weighs in at 24.5 lbs. The superlight frame alone only weighs in at 4.5lbs. The anondized silver finish is very nice, and so far has proven very durable.
On the trail the bike definately lives up to the great reviews it has gotten in the past. Unlike a Sugar or Fuel, the rear suspension is more 'active' and rolls over obstacles (roots, rocks, ruts, etc) without jarring the rider. The ride is very smooth.
Moving from a genesis geometry hardtail to a FS bike with a 1.25 inch shorter cockpit at first worried me, but the bike handles very well. It is reactive in tight single track. The rear suspension also allows me to stay seated where I'd normally stand to maneuver my hardtail. The lateral stiffness of the bike is amazing. There is no noticeable frame flex, something that I could see visibly on my aluminum hardtail.
The bike is a real pleasure on downhills, saving my lower back. I had wondered how it would perform on climbs, and have also been surprised at how easy it is to spin up the big hills. Dispite having a lockout on the Fox shock, I'm not even using it. I have noticed a small amount of 'bob' when climbing, but it's so minimal that I only realize it if I look down at the suspension. It's not something that I can feel in my pedal stroke.
I'm still getting used to the suspension and haven't quite dialed it in. Out of the box I set the Fox shock to my weight spec and have been riding it pretty much as is. My 100mm Duke fork, also set to my weight, is brand new too. I don't think that I've got a lot of adjusting to do. The Duke performs the way I'd always wanted my SID XC to perform, with little weight penalty.
For me this bike will be a serious racing machine, as I race Elite XC and do several endurance events during the season. I can't waith for the races to begin!
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Kurt Bailey
a Cross Country Rider
from Rocklin, Ca Date Reviewed: March 19, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Annadale Park, Santa Rosa
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$3400.00
Purchased At:
3400
Strengths:
Oh man... This frame is amazing. Rigid, light, OUTSTANDING climber.
Weaknesses:
Hmmm, UM... hmmm... I cant think of any.
Similar Products Used:
none
Bike Setup:
Superlight. Cane Creek WAM TI rims. Race Face, Next LP carbon cranks, bottom bracket, seat post. Shimano XTR cables, front and rear derailers, Cassette, Shifters. Chris King head set. Avid shifters. Marzocchi X-Fly 100mm front shock. FOX RACING SHOX Vanilla RC rear shock. Terry Men’s Fly Ti saddle. Time ATAC carbon pedals.
Bottom Line:
Ive owned 3 other bikes, this superlight makes the fourth. If you are a cross-country rider, this frame could be exactly what you are looking for. I am so happy with its performance I can not express it. I use so much less energy to climb and excelerate, I just have not ever been so fast at climbing. I'll tell you this... I am in no way disappointed with the amount of money I put into this bike.
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Submitted by
Happy Rider
a Weekend Warrior
from Durham,NC Date Reviewed: March 8, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Hobby Park
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$2400.00
Purchased At:
West U in Houston, TX
Strengths:
Rides like a dream, Fast on the uphills, I have Disk brakes on it and I let my self go faster on the downhills then I did on my old biek with out the disks. Corners superb
Weaknesses:
There are better looking bikes out there. (you want to look the best or do you want the best ride?)
Similar Products Used:
none
Bike Setup:
Hayes Diks brkes, Marzoki Atom racer 100mm travel front shocks, after market cranks.
Bottom Line:
This bikes rocks, not too many of these in NC I get a look of people wanting to look at it lift igt ride it. THis is my 4th bike and this is the best.
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CLIF
a Racer
from CHARLOTTE Date Reviewed: March 7, 2002
Favorite Trail:
CATAWBA
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Purchased At:
LBS
Strengths:
VERY STRONG, CLIMBS VERY WELL, EXTREMELY FAST DOWNHILL, LIGHT ( MY FRAME IS AN X-LARGE AND WEIGHT IS 25.7 LBS) NOT BAD FOR A BIG BIKE.
Weaknesses:
NONE, MAYBE PRICE IF YOUR LOOKING FOR A RACE BIKE UNDER $ 1500. BUT THEN AGAIN YOUR NOT GOING TO FIND A RACE BIKE UNDER THAT PRICE THAT IS WORTH A CRAP..
Similar Products Used:
SUGAR, K-2
Bike Setup:
NEXT LP, XTR, EASTON CARBON HANDLE BAR, SEATPOST. CHRIS KING. ATOMIC RACE FORK
Bottom Line:
IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO SET THE BIKE UP RIGHT YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED. LIKE ALL RACING MACHINES IT TAKES TIME TO SET IT UP RIGHT.. YOU CANNOT PLEASE EVERYONE OR ELSE THERE WOULD ONLY BE ONE BIKE MAKER..... SEE YOU ON THE TRAILS,, THE BIKE WILL GET YOU TO THE RACE BUT THE RIDER HAS TO DO THE WORK..
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Crash Often
a Weekend Warrior
from Oak Park, CA Date Reviewed: March 6, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Chesebro
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$2600.00
Purchased At:
Helen's, Santa Monica
Strengths:
Fit, handling, balance, very efficient climber.
Weaknesses:
Could be a tad stiffer and it steers slightly better with a 80mm fork. Powdercoat paint could also be a bit tougher.
Similar Products Used:
FSR, Tracer, Sugar, Fuel
Bike Setup:
Super X, Z1 X-Fly (100), Hayes disks
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I usually don't post, but after reading GUY's review I felt compelled to. I have actually ridden the SL for over 15 months. As someone who also owned an FSR for over four years I'm real tired of hearing the horst advantage. I've spent several years on both designs and they both have their advantages and disadvantages. The SL handles brilliantly, is extremely well balanced and climbs better than any bike I've been on. People complain about the 225 weight limit in the SL, but I think they are just honest about the capabilities of their bikes. Which broken frames do you hear most about, Truth's, Sugar's, Fuel's, FSR-XC's or SL's ??? As far as not being competitive, didn't an SL rider win the NORBA XC championship LAST YEAR ??? And since when it is a problem because you can't put a double crown fork on a XC BIKE ??? Oh, and you know how much longer it takes you to service 8 pivots than 2 pivots, FOUR TIMES LONGER. Not to mention the constant squeaking you get with a lot of the four bar designs. I've never had a problem with brake jack on my SL, but I've heard that it is worse with v-brakes than discs. The SL is not a freeride or hucking bike (NO XC bike is), but if you're looking for a XC race bike or lightweight trail bike you're silly not to give it a test ride. Don't buy into the hype, ride everything you can and buy what works best for you.
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Guy
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from Virginia Date Reviewed: March 6, 2002
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Strengths:
It's cheap. Thats it.
Weaknesses:
Discussed below.
Bottom Line:
I hate to give a negative review, but for the Superlight I'll make an exception. I don't know if the previous reviewers are just a bunch of novices, or if they are so enamored of their own self-propagated hipe that they can't see the Superlight for what it is: a primative and flexy peice of crap (albeit cheap, but then again, it is crap). The guys at Santa Cruz would like nothing better than to sell another idiot on their "Simpley Advanced" principle of design (read: single pivot designes are antiquated but no one cares); this campaign is effective in marketing to those who want a simplistic (easy to understand), reliable (which it is), light (no more so than other designes), and affordable (it also is) bike, usually for racing purposes. The one, and most important, aspect not mentioned is ride quality. Consider the alternatives: True four-bar linkages (Horst link) offer improvements in all the afformantioned catagories, and have hugely superior ride qualities. Take any true four-bar bike - Specialized (shudder), Intense, Titus, Norco, Turner - and you will find that it is just as light; just as easy to work on (how much more difficult is it to service eight pivots than two?); and just as reliable as the Superlight if properly maintained.
All the apparent benefits of a single-pivot bike are matched by four-bar bikes. Ride quality is the remnant issue: my Superlight was flexy throughout the mainframe/subframe interface, and thusly, tracked like a drunken blood hound. The single-pivot design is condusive to brake-jacking, and yes this did happen, and yes it does affect the ride quality: the rear end stiffens immensely under braking forces. The stroke to travel ration is rather high, and in combination with the Float RC, does not provide for much compliance over small bumps (especially with any damping compensation). Some other gripes: there is a rider weight limit as the tube set is so thin; one cannot run a triple clamp fork for the same reason; tire clearence is scant, even with 2.1"; it looks like an infant welded my frame.
A four-bar linkage will not compramise ride quality in the said domains; every one uses it (or mimics it) for a reason. It works well. The Superlight is crap.
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Darrell
a Racer
from Arvada, Co. Jefferson Date Reviewed: March 2, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Alderfer Three Sisters, and most trails in Vail.
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1350.00
Purchased At:
Mojo Wheels
Strengths:
Everything! Super lite. Climbs like a hardtail.Handles like it's on rails. Can't wait to smoke some hardtails. With everything I have built this Superlite frame up with it Scales in just under 22lbs and thats using a med. sized frame, and yes I have checked my scale! Not to many hartails this lite I assure you!
XTR, Raceface Next LP Carbon Cranks,American Ti Bottom Bracket, ChrisKing Wheels and Headset, Easton carbon CT2 post, Selle Italia SLR saddle, Ti. Titec handle bars, Specialized 1.90 Rockster S-Works Tires, Luner Lite Tubes, Stubs Barends, Ritchey Ti. Pedals, and a few Ti. Bolts.
Bottom Line:
The Bottom line is this bike rocks! I think for the price and it's single pivot rear end this bike will stomp anyother fullsuspension bike in it's class, NO DOUGHT!!! If you are a Crosscountry Racer Like me, or if you just want to hammer your favorite trail, You won't be disappointed!!
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Derrel Whitney
a Cross Country Rider
from Albuquerque, NM USA Date Reviewed: February 27, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Porcupine Rim, Moab
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Purchased At:
Rivertrails Bikes, Albuquerque
Strengths:
Very light, handles better than anything I've ever ridden, climbs better than my Kleins, goes downhill almost too well.
Weaknesses:
None
Similar Products Used:
No such thing!
Bike Setup:
XTR front and rear, Grip shift, Chris King headset and hubs, Mavic 517, Easton Monkey light carbon riser, Avid Arch Rivals, Marzocchi Xfly 80, Time ATAC, Syncros stem & Seatpost, and Conti tires.
Bottom Line:
This is the 6th mountain bike I've owned and without a doubt it's the sweetest I've ever ridden. It does everything well. It weighs under 23 lbs., looks sweet with the XTR grey annodised finish and it screams up and down hills. I love this bike. Thanks Brad and Susan!
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Brian
a Cross Country Rider
from Lancaster, PA Date Reviewed: February 27, 2002
Favorite Trail:
156 gamelands
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$3500.00
Purchased At:
ERA Ski and Bike
Strengths:
Light weight and responsive. Really climbs well,and reasonably fast downhill
Weaknesses:
somewhat short top tube. You sit more upright, which makes the steep uphills somewhat more difficult. I miss my bar-ends.
Similar Products Used:
None, this is my first full-suspension. Rode a Merlin xlm
Bike Setup:
Easton Carbon bar and seatpost, Chris King headset, Raceface stem and cranks, Flight gel saddle, Avid levers and cantilevers. Rock Shox Duke 100mm air fork.24 lbs. even.
Bottom Line:
This bike climbs as well as my Merlin, and it screams on the downhills. Fireroads are stupid fast. 4 inches of travel front and rear makes for a balanced ride. I never use the lockout. Buy this bike if you have some bucks to make it light. That's really the point here. Other bikes will perform better on the technical downhill. This one gets you to the top AND down.
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Marc
a Weekend Warrior
from O'Fallon, MO Date Reviewed: February 14, 2002
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$2450.00
Purchased At:
Walt's Bike Shop
Strengths:
Stiff frame, light as heck, great suspension set-up (see Bike Setup), great for bigger riders.
Weaknesses:
Why didn't they think of this bike sooner?!
Similar Products Used:
Fisher, Cannondale
Bike Setup:
Manitou Black Elite 100/120 with extra heavy spring, Fox Float RL, XT/LX, but upgrading to XRT, Easton bar/post, TIME clipless
Bottom Line:
I am 6'2" and weigh in at about 225. Other full susension rides felt too plush and giving, but this bike ROCKS! It is light in the climbs and quicker than my hardtail on the downhills. Believe me, if you are a larger rider and interested in a real full suspnsion bike, this is he best bike I found for us.
$ 2375.00
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