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Submitted by
Andrew S
a Cross Country Rider
from Australia
Date Reviewed: February 14, 2005 | | Favorite Trail: | wildside Adventure race | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$3600.00 | | Purchased At: | bike shop | | Strengths: | 6'2" 220lbs on a 19" frame and it is a comfortable ride - hadles fantasically | | Weaknesses: | well here goes
cracked frame in 2 months (just before xmas 2004) while training for 4 day race. Cracked where main tube meets seat tube. No problems had new bike up and running in 10 days (still 2003 model though). Developed nasty creak which turned out to be the quick release bolt at the top of the rear shock. RMB don't supply this as a replacement part. Spent time and money with toolmakers to find out original part is only mild steel and was bent. Made up hi tensile steel replacement 9had 3 made in case)
New fame rode just as well but 2 days before departing for race found crack in bracket weld at maid pivot point on seat tube. Advised that 2005 frame was approved but could nto get before race. Advised would cover if it broke during race. sure enough 1 race leg in major crack up in where the main tube meets seat tube again - race over. | | Bottom Line: | While a couple of people have suggested i need the large frame I should point out the following.
1. I have a short steep stem and my seat is as far forward as possible for a very comfortable ride - even at 6'2"
2. I have ridden a large giant frame an had all sorts of neck and shoulder pain due to being stretched out in a comfortable position.
3. Rocky Mountains response has been not less than fantastic. I believe they are actually keen for me to ride the 2005 frame due here this week.
not sure if I will sell the frame and buy a SC blur which I rode in the race for a couple of days to try. Will advise.
apart from the perhaps obvious design flaw at the main & seat tube intersection (no gusset like on Specialised, new giants, etc etc) this is a fantastic bike to ride.
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Submitted by
Stork
a Weekend Warrior
from Golden, CO USA
Date Reviewed: February 2, 2005 | | Favorite Trail: | Moab | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$3000.00 | | Purchased At: | Sports Garage (Boulder) | | Strengths: | Excellent climber/downhiller
Nimble/quick for a FS
Great looks and finish
Nice stock setup | | Weaknesses: | Front dereaillur cable not routed properly above bottom bracket
High BB height (OK, this is a strength for riding over big stuff but it can be difficult to get rolling again on the steeps)
Stock Shimano SPD (M520): Functional but would expect higher level (M959) for this level of spec. | | Similar Products Used: | Santa Cruz Blur
Ellsworth Truth
Yeti ASR | | Bike Setup: | XT everything
Fox Talus RL Fork
Mavic x223 wheels | | Bottom Line: | Love this bike! I spent the last 10 years on a Ti Diamond Back hard tail which was quick and bullet proof just waiting or the day that suspension technology finally got the weight:performance ratio just right. I was concerned that a FS MTB would steel the energy and treat me to a "bobbing" session as I hit the steeps. Nothing doing. The ETS-70 rides like a dream. Despite the additional weight (the ETS-70 is typical for a FS bike in terms of weight) I'm riding faster downhill AND uphill. Heck of a lot more comfortable too.
While I'm not able to bunny hop around sharp corners as easily as the ol' hard tail I find that I can just point the ETS-70 at most anything, apply some speed and, before I know it, I've just cleared technical sections that have stumped me in the past. It's kind of like moving from straight snow skis to shaped skis. It's more fun and it makes you a better skier/biker.
With the multiple settings on both shocks I recommend having an experienced bike shop help set you up. The quality of ride depends on this. The Sports Garage in Boulder is great at this, and it's built into the price of the bike.
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Submitted by
Mark
a Weekend Warrior
from Toronto
Date Reviewed: May 23, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | Kelso | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$3700.00 | | Purchased At: | Dukes Cycle | | Strengths: | Frame, ride, looks, feel | | Weaknesses: | none yet | | Similar Products Used: | cannondale jekyl 2000, sugar 2, superlight | | Bike Setup: | Stock except for longer RaceFace stem | | Bottom Line: | Great bike. In its simplest terms, it pumps up the confident meter a couple of degrees and that, like few things in life, is pricelss. You should always take something hand built over something that is machine built, regardless of tighter tolerances. Hand made is the only way to inject soul into a bike. And your bike is not alive without its soul. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Dom
a Cross Country Rider
from Milton
Date Reviewed: February 29, 2004 | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$3000.00 | | Purchased At: | TriCity Mountain Bike | | Strengths: | Suspension design, Geometry, Product spec., Hand built frame, Sharp paint job, Good weight to travel ratio, Very Fast Bike | | Weaknesses: | Rear triangle out of alignment, hand built frame can be a double edged sword, Aluminum oxidized under clear coat, Crap Headset(RaceFace Thermo SL), Seatpost clamp won't hold Easton Carbon post due to the narrow clamp and Easton's seatpost design, Super Wide Bars 27"??? for XC/All mountain??? Creaks in small pivots on lower(would be chain)stays, Fox fork chips easily and needs service often | | Similar Products Used: | Ventana El Salt., IronHorse Hollow Point, FSR, Rocky Element, RM7, RM9, Switch SL, Pipeline, Many Single Pivot designs | | Bike Setup: | 19" Stock except XTR spline hubs and rotors laced to 317's, WTB SST98 saddle, Easton carbon post, RaceFace SyStem stem 120x5, Salsa seatpost clamp, Panaracer Fire XC pro tires, C. King headset for 2004 I've gone full XTR w/ a Black Elite 100/120 with Xfirm spring(makes a world of differance on this fork). | | Bottom Line: | First let me say I think my frame was built be the same person who built NASH from WALES, U.K. A reviewer in an earlier review. I had the same exact problems with my frame. Rockies turn around time was great. From the first ride I realized Rocky was onto something really great here. What a rocket! This design gives you back everything you put in and then some. Climbs like nothing I've ever ridden before. Got my bike weight down to 26.5 lbs. The adjustable travel is great but I found 4" perfect. Changing the travel on the trail causes me to re-adjust the shock so that it reacts correctly. Rocky Mountains North Shore geometry is very inspiring. It will take very rough riding. Very stable in tight sections. The Fox 100 RCL fork was O.K., Great ride but popping the wiper seal every 10 hours to clean and lube gets tiring and chips the paint off the Fox fork easily. Also when you reach down to lock it out the other adjustments(rebound&compression) are right on top of the lock out and can be bumped out of adjustment because of the location. My rear pivots started creaking on the left side. A new pivot kit and proper torque seems to have cured it. Bottom line is, I love this bike but don't know how Rocky let it get through all their quot un-quot quality control. My bike came like all Rockies with all these signatures claiming it passed their inspections. HA! Rear triangle alignment WAY out causing the rear wheel to be wicked crooked. Where was THAT inspector? The aluminum became contaminated before it was clear coated causing nasty white powdery spots to appear under the coat(looked like salt on a car in the winter). HOW could this have happened? Maybe a food fight or someone's MOLSON EXPLODED on some frames? Rocky covered everything very nicely under warranty. Buy the ESTX 50 and save $$$ and not get Oxidation on the polished part of the frame. But the special paint and finish(polished&bead blasted) is to die for!!! I would buy another one for sure though! If it didn't ride so darn great it would have received a 1 chili rating. Keep in mind my 70 was a 2003 model built in early December 2002. I think by reading other reveiws my frame was an isolated problem to just a few bikes. READ NASH'S REVIEW a little ways down. Same problem I had. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Mike
a Cross Country Rider
from Pittsfield Ma USA
Date Reviewed: January 28, 2004 | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Strengths: | Climbing and cruising the single track. Fast and stable on the down hills! | | Weaknesses: | Should have one setting for rear suspension....4"! The 3.5" is too stiff and the 4.5 is too soft. Poor set of wheels for the price. Replacement service | | Similar Products Used: | Cannondale F1000, Specialized FSR pro (3 of them) | | Bike Setup: | I have a 19" frame. Mine is actually a 2002 1/2 which came through w/ the Marathon shock which I changed to a Fox Vanilla RL, otherwise pretty much stock. | | Bottom Line: | Immediatly you notice the ability to climb, the bike thrusts you forward and keeps your momentum going. Also being the 19" frame and I'm only 5'10", about 185lbs and I feel like I'm the king of the trail. The frame fits me well though. It will smooth out just about any single track you throw at it. When it comes to tight corners, a little more work is involved. I ride hard and would even go the distance to say I do some lite free-riding. On the same token, I do race it in a weekly series and 24 hr events. Like it claims to be "an all mountian" ride, it truely is. Even though heavier, I prefered it any day, racing or cruising, to my FSR. The Marzocci Marathon (100mm) that came on it needed to go immediatly. Far too springy or to compensate, too soft. Plus after 2 months of riding, the fork no longer locked out nor did the rebound setting work. The Vanilla is plush!!! Also, like in every other review, I had to replace the pivot bushings (ouch $150 for the parts only). Now the even worse news...The Frame broke (completely seperated) at the point where the top tube comes in contact w/ the seat tube,and yes my seat post was about half way in. I brought it back in october for replacement and..well now its almost february and I have yet to get the replacement. Good thing I have a back-up. I have broken 2 FSR frames and had replacements each time in UNDER a week. I guess I've been spoiled by the mass producers? All in all it has bee a great riding bike and I can't wait for the replacement, especially now that I have it tuned in to my riding style. Over all I give it 2 chilies because of the lack of service (It's how you retain customers), for the ride I'd give it 5. Who should buy it??? well, someone looking for a all mountain, smooth rider, that has the cash to spare. Also someone into the "specialty" names | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Barry
a Cross Country Rider
from North Vancouver, BC Canada
Date Reviewed: January 13, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | most things Squamish | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$1600.00 | | Purchased At: | Cove Bikes | | Strengths: | Adjustable travel, lots of BB and tire clearance, nice balanced feel (like a tall XC bike, easy to move around on the bike), fit and finish, elevated chain stays. | | Weaknesses: | front derailleur cable rests on lower suspension pivot, that can't be good for the paint in the long run, some nasty little burrs on machined aluminium suspension links that made themselves apparent while cleaning the bike and embedding themselves in my fingertips. | | Similar Products Used: | Santa Cruz Blur, Rocky Mountain Instinct, Jamis Dakar, Mountain Cycle San Andreas | | Bike Setup: | Bought as a frame only and built up with XTR and Race Face bits, Hope disc hubs, Magura Marta discs, Fox Float TALAS, Nokian NBX 2.3 tires. | | Bottom Line: | I bought the 2004 model frame only from Cove Bikes (yep, that Cove Bikes) and built it up as a moderately light all mountain XC bike. The 2004 frame has new frame tubing and some new hardware for the rear suspension which may address all the issues mentioned in previous reviews.
My Rocky Instinct didn't have enough travel for all the trails I end up on so I wanted a 4"+ travel bike, and the fact that I can knock this one back to the 3.5" travel that the Instinct had is a nice bonus, plus go for that extra 0.5" and get 4.5" travel (lots of BB clearance in 4.5" mode).
The ETSX-70 replaced a Santa Cruz Blur that I assembled in July 03. I found the Blur's low BB, narrow rear swing arm, longish chainstays and laid back sort of riding position not to my liking (the gouges in the ends of my crank arms can atest to that low BB issue and rocks/roots).
I like the ETSX70 for the way it handles like a tall-ish XC bike. When set for 3.5" travel has the same BB height as my Instinct which is still higher than the Blur was. It actually does have positive pedal feedback on G-out bumps, where the Blur would give negative pedal feedback on G-outs. It's easy to move around in the cockpit, it seems virtually bob free on hard climbing and it's easy to get up on the bars for steep climbing.
There's plenty of rear tire clearance and the suspension linkage is well up out of the mud and trail debris zone which makes it very useful out here on the wet coast. The elevated chain stays sure do keep the chain from clattering around. The sealed bearings ought to last longer than the plastic suspension bushings on my Instinct.
If you live in a mud/muck part of the world and want a bike that behaves like a Stable Platform bike without being advertised as such, check out the Rocky.
If you don't want to pay the premium for the polished finish, the '04 ETSX-50 is exactly the same frame with a more basic paint finish for a few hundred dollars cheaper. The ETSX70 loses one chili in value for the premium paint job cost that doesn't enhance performance, just the flash and pizzaz (that's why I bought it!) That would give the ETSX50 a perfect 5 value chilis. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Cominetti Paolo
a Cross Country Rider
from Italy
Date Reviewed: October 7, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Dolomiti Apls | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$2500.00 | | Purchased At: | Big Hole Sport DRIGGS ID | | Strengths: | The frame is the best solution for cross country, the suspensions are very good (in particular the possibility to lock front and rear suspensions).
The bike climbs exceptionally but is very good also in down hill . Very goods also the Hayes brake .
The weight is absolutely reasonable for a FS bike. The adjustability of the rear suspension is nice, but could be improved the fixing mechanism.
Technical assistance support at the level of a “Worldwide company”.
| | Weaknesses: | Mosquito Tires; in particular the front one. I replace it after 3 month; it has low directionality in fast drive. (Very minor issue, due to the fact that any way it had to be changed)
Brake and gearing cables can be improved as lay out (or protection) to avoid frame wearing. (minor issue solved with a transparent plastic adhesive film on the frame in the wearing area)
An additional improvement on the bike could be the Mavic Cross max rims (only for the ETS X70). The current Mavic X223, anyway didn’t show any problem.
| | Similar Products Used: | Kona king kikapu, Cannondale Jekyll, Kona bears, Diamond back, Specialized different models | | Bike Setup: | 2002 set-up from factory | | Bottom Line: | The bike has its best performance on climbing ; very easy to restart in very step climbs without loosing traction. But I loves down hill and this bike is probably the best compromise between cross country and down hill; light, without loosing stiffness but with a very good behaviour also in quite hard down hill.
Something to be improved are the tires, in particular the front tire has low directionality and in fast down hill the bike loose control.
The frame is very good; no problem after one year of cross country ( about 2.000 km really off road ! )
Another thing I appreciated very much, has been the “worldwide support”, I’ve got from RMB Technical assistance (I bought the bike in USA but I used it mainly in Italy), and they cover the warranty period (very minor issues), with their Italian Dealer network. Very good and probably unique in mountain bike market. Well done !
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Submitted by
Chris
a Cross Country Rider
from UK
Date Reviewed: September 24, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Anything with singletrack | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$2300.00 | | Purchased At: | Summit Cycles, UK | | Strengths: | Build quality, plushness, weight, sexiness | | Weaknesses: | If you're a stompy pedaller, it can get a bit bobby | | Similar Products Used: | Schwinn Rocket, Santa Cruz SL, Santa Cruz Blur, Specialized FSR (Enduro, Epic etc.), Trek Liquid, Trek Fuel, Foes FXC... You name it, I've probably had a go. | | Bike Setup: | Fox TALAS RLC, Race Face Next LP's, RF Seatpost, Hope stoppers, XTR everything else. | | Bottom Line: | My previous bikes have been mostly lightweight XC FSer's. I was looking for something that had a little more travel and a more plush rear end. I think that this bike filled the criteria very well, for next to no weight penalty. It climbs very efficiently, and decends with more ability than it's 4.5" would suggest. Mated with a TALAS fork, the ride is very well balanced and supple. Dropping the travel means that the rear end stiffens up nicely for better sprinting. Having said that, I hardly ever drop out of the 4.5" setting. As an all-day, all-rounder this bike is more than capable. Plus you can't really go wrong with a Fox shock. Thus far, the bike has proved very reliable and completely up to the odd fumbled drop off.
Bought as a frame only, it's pretty good on price stakes too.
Don't buy this bike if you're looking for an XC race bike. It has a very high BB shell, which is great for clearance but not so good for inspiring confidence and some people may not get on with the high-up riding position. Similarly, don't buy one if you're a DHer. Although I've no doubt that the frame is up to it, there's little point. This bike excels when being ridden hard on technical singletrack. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Brent
a Cross Country Rider
from Calgary
Date Reviewed: August 27, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Benchlands (Canmore) | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$3000.00 | | Purchased At: | The Bike Shop | | Strengths: | Solid handling all-round bike. Very nimble on the single-track for a "bigger" bike. Very good climber. Good component spec. | | Weaknesses: | Have had some shifting issues in the largest two cogs on the back. Also some brake pad rub on the XT discs (the brakes are more difficult to centre than Hayes). | | Similar Products Used: | Kona King Kikapu, Cannondale Jekyll, Rocky Mountain Instinct. | | Bike Setup: | Stock except for lower stem, Easton flatbar and Mavic Cross Max XL wheelset. | | Bottom Line: | I chose this bike in the hopes of finding a decent all round bike that would also be good for adventure racing (i.e. long hours in the saddle, lots of climbing and descending with some single-track thrown in). In this respect I aimed to give it a bit more of a cross-country feel than what the stock spec. would yeild.
I have used this bike in a number of adventure races, some cross country races and for general purpose riding. I have found the bike climbs exceptionally well and I can almost buy into the "energy transfer system" moniker. The bike feels solid on downhills (though I have yet to decide if the flat bar gives enough leverage against the forces coming through the fork). I usually run the bike in the 3.5 inch mode and notice very limited pedal feedback, though the suspension is definitely more active than some bikes I have tried.
Overall the bike feels fast and it is easy to take it out on long hammer fests without doing too much long term damage to one's backside. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Never Mind
a Cross Country Rider
from Ottawa, Canada
Date Reviewed: August 26, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | The 6.9 (national course) Camp Fortune | | Duration Product Used: | Tested or demo'ed only | | Price Paid: |
$3500.00 | | Purchased At: | Demoed at some shop | | Strengths: | Stiff good for "all mountain riders" can take the downhills but efficient on the uphills. | | Weaknesses: | Very pricy!!!! They should drop it to $2999 at the least. | | Similar Products Used: | Jamis Dakar XLT 1.0 and 2.0, Rocky Mountain ETSX-50, Slayer and Edge, K2 Tirade 5.0, Kona Stinky and Dawg. | | Bike Setup: | Stock I just demoed it. | | Bottom Line: | Good bike exept the price. Only buy this bike if you are seriously in to mountain biking such as a racer. Or if your loaded and can offord such a high class bike. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
CrazyCarl
a Cross Country Rider
from Davis, CA
Date Reviewed: August 21, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Hole-in-the-ground | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$2500.00 | | Purchased At: | Bike Madness, Napa | | Strengths: | Great looking, very little pedal induced feedback/bob, fairly light, nice components | | Weaknesses: | Noisy, creaky, disk brakes squeal, rear swingarm flexes causing rear pads to rub the rotor | | Similar Products Used: | Cannondale Scapel, Fisher Hoo Koo E Koo | | Bike Setup: | Stock (pre-production 2002 model), except new tires/seat | | Bottom Line: | I bought this bike because I got a close-out deal on a 2002 model. (pretty much the same as 2003 except it has Marzocchi fork, Hayes brakes, RaceFace cranks). First off, it had a horrible creaking noise from the back, but this was remedied by calling the bike store and getting the pivot upgrade kit. (I don't understand why they didn't install it BEFORE I bought the bike, since they had it in the store!) Anyway, it still is a pretty creaky bike, but maybe that's what I have to expect from an aluminum frame.
The major problem I have seen so far is that when you sit on the bike, the two legs of the rear swingarm flex outward, which moves the brake caliper out of alignment and causes the pads to rub on the brake rotor. I've kinda fixed this problem my adjusting the caliper so that it is centered when sitting on the bike, but then it rubs with no weight on the bike.
Anyway, the bike seems to climb very well, and it soaks up the bumps really well on the downhills. I can't notice any flex from the back end. The major drawback of the 2003 model is the price... $3600!!?? For this reason only an average value rating... | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
John W.
a Cross Country Rider
from SLC
Date Reviewed: August 20, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Wasatch/Moab | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$2750.00 | | Purchased At: | Fishers Cyclery | | Strengths: | After nearly one year, I've had this bike on all types of terrain, from Porcupine Rim, narly Wasatch Front single track, to fast fire road or White Rim Trail type cruising. The frame design is exceptional, eating up the nasty technical climbs, floating over the downhill with drops up to 3 ft., and being the "quietest" frame I've tested in terms of pedal induced bobbing. The build quality is at or near best in class. | | Weaknesses: | stock H. Mosquito tires wore quickly on Utah terrain and did not handle the loose stuff. No big deal, go with the Panaracer Fire XC Pro and this bike is perfect.
| | Similar Products Used: | test rode many models including the Epic, Fuel, Jekyl, Sugar, AC Air, etc. They are obviously all solid performing bikes, but their suspensions lacked. The Epic didn't feel suspended enough, and the other, despite the accolades, all had way to much pedal induced bobbing. | | Bike Setup: | stock, with the exception of tires (above) and Easton Carbon seat stem.
| | Bottom Line: | I've been mountain biking since 1985 (big deal?). I have developed solid technical skills from years of hard tail (even before shock forks)riding. The bottom line is this bike has really made mountain biking nearly like a new sport for me. Where I used to have to be "spot on" with the technical skills, this bike playfully eats the terrain uphill and down. The adjustable travel is a real plus, especially if you are into "epic" days with long climbs and descents. My wife has been riding since 1984 and got this bike two months ago. She has been one of the most skilled cross country riders I've seen at the sick and twisted downhill stuff (not big air). She is now climbing better and leaving even some of best male riders standing in amazement on descents. If you can afford it, buy this bike. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Bart
a Cross Country Rider
from Kelowna
Date Reviewed: August 9, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$2700.00 | | Purchased At: | Bike Shop | | Strengths: | Rocky fit and finish - it's a beautiful frame
Adjustable suspension - I can really notice the difference in the different settings
Great all-around bike
| | Weaknesses: | Expensive if you pay full retail - you pay for the Rocky name
Stock tires wear out fast
I have had no issues with the brakes - first bike with discs though | | Similar Products Used: | Been riding and racing a Trek Fuel 98 for the past few years | | Bike Setup: | Stock | | Bottom Line: | I love this bike. If you want a bike for general everyday riding that will climb well and handle the technical stuff even better I highly recommend the ETSX. The bike does not climb like my Fuel but the more I ride it the more I am impressed by how well it actually climbs. I'll lock out for fireroad climbs but otherwise I will climb in the 3.5 inch setting and find bob to be minimal. In the 4.5 setting I notice the geometry becomes a bit too upright for me when I am climbing. The suspension quick release needs to be pretty tight. I had it come loose a few times early on.
The bike handles very nicely. It has a very playful personality - very easy to turn. Rear suspension design gives you travel in the direction that you need it. The high bottom bracket gives great clearance (especially compared to my Fuel). The bike feels pretty long though - I do have the 20.5 inch frame.
I bought this bike as my fun bike and have no regrets. I have also used it in an adventure race where we had huge 3500 ft climbs, and epic descents and it came through with shining colours. My friend also bought one and he has xc raced it (he put on a flat bar, lower rise stem, tubeless wheels) so it can be done. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Paul
a Cross Country Rider
from Eagle, Colorado, USA
Date Reviewed: June 20, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | POS/Western Rim | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$3500.00 | | Purchased At: | The Kind Cyclist | | Strengths: | First FS bike. Beautifull frame, adjustable travel, most parts. Warranty. Rides up and down like a rabid monkey. I do not feel that I have the suspention dialed yet but still a great ride. I climb in 3.5in and descend in 4.5in. Lockouts nice but dont use. | | Weaknesses: | Seat is junk! stock tires junk!
| | Similar Products Used: | FSR Enduro Pro, Trek Fuel 90, Titus Switchblade, Superlight, Jeckel, Tracer, Element Race and Slayer | | Bike Setup: | Shop installed Hope Mini, Sram 9.0 shifters and rear derailuer. I changed the seat to a Sella Italia Trans am Prolink gel flow, the tires to IRC Trail Bear 2.25 & a Salsa quick release seat post binder. | | Bottom Line: | First week I had it went to Moab. This bike ruled Porcupine Rim. I looped out a few times on Slick Rock trail but that was rider error. I have noticed much less fatigue riding on my home trails and my back feels better than when I rode my old hard tail. Also it does not feel like it weighs 27 pounds as I ride. I have the fork dialed and the rear need some more adjustment before I give 5 chillis but I am sure I will get it dialed.
I do 1600 to 2500 foot climbs from my house and have droped time off every ride. This thing really propels you as you pedal. This bike is equal to or better than anything I have tried before. I highly recomend it to anyone with the cash who wants a sick bike. You wont be like the millions who by machine made assembly line bikes. I plan to write an updated review after this summer is over. Ride it don't slide it! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
mikeb
a
from Monterey, CA
Date Reviewed: June 16, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | YoMama | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Strengths: | Great suspension, awesome geometry, looks sharp .... | | Weaknesses: | Front derailer cable routing rubs on frame. | | Similar Products Used: | Superlight, Tomac68, ProFlex | | Bottom Line: | I LOVE THIS BIKE !!
Perfect for all around use; not TOO heavy 28lbs, climbs superbly, plenty of travel for fast downhill action and taking drops, tight handling, high bottom bracket clearance, looks sharp ... blah blah blah.
The ETS suspension does what Rocky claims it does; Vertical travel eliminates “hooking”, enabling the wheel to better roll over rough terrain .... helps drive you forward as
you pedal over rough terrain ....
I have had NO problems with this bike. Some users don't like the saddle, I think its the most comfortable one I've ever owned. Some users have problems with their XT-Disc brakes, not I - mine have been perfect since day #1, I haven't touched them.
I did upgrade the pedals and went to a slightly lighter wheel set, everything else is stock. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
z
a Cross Country Rider
from Vancouver
Date Reviewed: June 8, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Espresso | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Strengths: | frame geometry truly revolutionary.
excellent suspension | | Weaknesses: | price!
components!! shimano XT disc brakes have required constant maintenance. tires worn out after less than 2 months riding | | Similar Products Used: | previously only rode hardtails | | Bike Setup: | stock except changed the saddle | | Bottom Line: | I use this bike for XC, as well as freeride (& even tried it for downhill).
the frame design and geometry are awesome. The suspension is excellent (& the adjustability on the rear shock is great). This bike is fast, light (for a dual susp XC) and climbs like magic. It truly is a joy to ride.
The components package, however, cannot be so highly recommended. the shimano XT disc brakes have been an absolute nightmare. they are grabby, difficult to modulate, and require constant maintenance and tweaking. I have owned this bike for just over three months and have had to take it to the shop seven times to get the brakes adjusted due to constant problems with brakes rubbing, pistons not returning to their proper positions etc. the rear brake pads wore out after less than two months, and I also had to replace the rear rotor after the worn out brake pads scratched the @#%*& out of it.
the bike i was riding before (RM Oxygen race) had the Grimeca system 8 disc brakes (shimano bought this design from Grimeca and turned it into the XT brake system). The Grimeca brakes, however, performed infinitely better with respect to modulation/control and required absolutely no maintenance after installation. I don't know what Shimano changed in the design, but whatever it was they should not have changed it.
Also the tires (hutchinson Mosquito) WORE OUT AFTER LESS THAN three months!!! I have never in my life worn tires out so quickly!
finally the saddle that came with the bike (Selle italia Xo) was the most horrendously painful saddle i'd ever used. (although this may be because I'm a girl and this is a men's saddle).
Overall, I think Rocky mountain has designed a truly awesome bike. However considering the massive amount of money I paid for it, (and the relatively large amount of money I have subsequently spent replacing worn parts), and the constant headaches I have had taking it back to the shop for maintenance, I cannot recommend it as highly as I would like to. If you are thinking of buying this bike consider asking for different brakes and tires to avoid hassle and spending extra money to replace worn components.
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Submitted by
craig
a Weekend Warrior
from denver, colorado
Date Reviewed: June 6, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | golden gate canyon | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$3200.00 | | Purchased At: | Singletrack Factory | | Strengths: | Frame geometry; it's absolutely perfect for me, nimble, balance, quick. Suspension; love the adjustable shocks, can dial in the air pressure and damping to perfectly suit the trail conditions. Quality of frame build; welds and construction are realy sweet. Hayes disc brakes; they are pretty maintnance free and have all the stop power you need with one finger control. | | Weaknesses: | some components; i had to swap out the rear casette, i bent it pretty easy, it was pretty thin metal. Rear left side chainstay; the way the chainstay is placed it takes a TON of chainslap and gets all tore up. I had to put on a lizardskin, but the way the chainstay is made it's a real funky fit and looks out of place. It's not a major weakness, just a super small gripe. | | Similar Products Used: | other bikes owned/ridden; Yeti, Diamond Back, GT | | Bike Setup: | I took off the large chainring and put on a race-face bashguard, i was chewing up the large ring on rocks (lotta rocky technical rides here on the front range of colorado). Swapped out the rear casette, upgraded the quality, more bulletproof and resistant to getting bent. Took off the stock handlebars and put on 29" wide bars for better control (i trials ride also and LOVE the control of super wide bars). | | Bottom Line: | Bottom line is that it is a phenominal bike for the terrain i ride (front range colorado rides, i love the nasty, technical, and downhill type trails). It climbs extremely well (even though i HATE climbing), feels very light yet pretty stiff for a FS frame (but it's no where near hard-tail stiffness, i actually feel quite a bit of bottom bracket flex in certain technical uphill switchbacks), it bombs downhill and soaks up what ever you have the ballz to attack, and it just seems to find the perfect line thru super technical terrain like rock gardens. I love the geometry, head tube angle is steep so the steering is real quick. I have been extremely pleased with the total package. I also looked at a Yeti AR-S and an Ellsworth, those other bikes rode extremely well also and in some aspects rode slightly better than the Rocky Mountain, but the Rocky Mountain won because the overall components I thought were slightly better and the price was a sevreal hundred less.
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Submitted by
jim williams
a Cross Country Rider
from slc ut
Date Reviewed: May 9, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | rose canyon | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$1400.00 | | Purchased At: | mtbr swap | | Strengths: | good looker, great climber, good componetry out of da box | | Weaknesses: | boke frame, front shock, brake trouble, adjust a suspension quick release thing. | | Similar Products Used: | heckler, fsr, | | Bike Setup: | stock | | Bottom Line: | sweet bike, perfect blend of xc/freeride for me, snaped under pressure of 230lb guy, | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
C Dub
a Racer
from Canada
Date Reviewed: April 27, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Strengths: | the bike rides like a dream. Fork very plush and rear travel awsome in ups and downs | | Weaknesses: | price, I love the ride however the price is far too expensive for a bike that comes with XT and the cheapest seat i have ever seen in my life. | | Similar Products Used: | 50, 30, Cannondale Jeklly, | | Bottom Line: | If you have the money, get the bike you will ove it, If you are struggling to afford it, get something else from another company and you will get better parts but frame won't be as trick | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
guense baffin island
a
from pboecklr@snet.net
Date Reviewed: March 19, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Bike Setup: | '02 stock model with hayes hydraulics, marzochi marathon | | Bottom Line: | This is a very nice bike, it climbs nice, descends just as well. The easily adjustable travel makes this 3 bikes in one. At 3 inches its very stiff, at 4.5 its very plush. At 4 inches its just about perfect. As others have experienced,the pivots started to make a "quacking" noise, the owner of the shop where i bought the bike warned me about this beforehand as the RMB rep had warned him about it. After two weeks of riding i brought the bike back and 3 days later it was fixed, hassle free and cost free.
To answer the previous poster's question, i believe the stock 19.5" bike weighs in at about 26.5lbs, not exactly a fly weight, but just stocky enough to hammer off your favorite drops and plow through your rock gardens.
If you're like me, who enjoys riding uphill as much as going down, while still enjoying the option of hacking around, this would make a good choice, that is if you can cough up the '03 cost of $3600!! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Bruce Amesbury
a Cross Country Rider
from San Gabriel, CA, USA
Date Reviewed: March 18, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Won't tell | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$3400.00 | | Purchased At: | Pasadena Cyclery | | Strengths: | It has everything. The suspension, both front and rear (Fox)is excellent and infinitely adjustable to suit either the rider or the terrain. My previous bike was carbon fiber and this bike only outweighs it by 2 pounds. I don't lock it out on uphills and it just seems to grab the ground harder the steeper it gets. I've never been on a mountain bike that climbs any better. It also comes equipped with great components. The disc brakes are amazing. When you apply them hauling downhill there is no appreciable dip in the front handlebars like with my old bike. I downhilled a gnarly fire road the other day and never took my seat off the saddle. Once the shocks are dialed in, you're ready for any terrain mother nature can dish out. Can't say enough good about this bike.
| | Weaknesses: | haven't found any yet. | | Similar Products Used: | None | | Bike Setup: | Fox front and rear shocks, Shimano XT disc brakes, Race Face seat stem and front stem, Monkeylite Easton XC carbon fiber handlebar, Hutchison Mosquito tires. | | Bottom Line: | Although pricey, I have definitely gotten my money's worth. This is a fine piece of machinery. When I read the Rocky Mountain brochure on the quality control and what goes into making this bike I was astounded. It's a quality bike at the way upper end of quality. For a rider like myself, it will do anything and everything I will ever want to do as long as I'm on this planet. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Nasher
a
from Cymru (wales) UK
Date Reviewed: March 10, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Strengths: | This is an update on my previous review...and for performance etc.. nothing is unchanged | | Weaknesses: | the aluminium was oxidising on the paint, the shock gave up and the rear end was 6mm out of alignment | | Bottom Line: | although it felt great to me, infact the frame rear end was 6mm out of alignment and as a result twisted the shock and it got bust.
the paint/alu was also oxidising under neath the paint.
I wasnt very impressed initially with a frame of such price...however i got a brand new frame within 3 days and after 500 miles it is absolutely flawless, it hasnt even drawn a scratch yet.
although i had problems with the original frame, it got sorted out promptly and i still love it (my new frame)so full chillies | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
sean
a Cross Country Rider
from sacramento
Date Reviewed: February 20, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | hole in the ground/toads/mickey mouse/tahoe | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Purchased At: | river rat | | Strengths: | strong climber.plush downhill ride.holds a line well.feels nimble even with the 4.5/4 travel.looks. | | Weaknesses: | some say its uncomfortable, but im fine. price | | Similar Products Used: | sc heckler, cann.full suspensions | | Bike Setup: | 2003 set-up | | Bottom Line: | this bike kicks serious ass.no real complaints.it rides long cross country great and seems to take the bigger hits. im still getting used to riding full suspension but i have not one complaint.it climbs almost like my hardtail, very little to non-exsistant bob. disc brakes are almost un-believable they work so good.this bike seems to do it all. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Chris
a Weekend Warrior
from Okinawa, Japan
Date Reviewed: February 10, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Spider Loop, Downieville | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$3500.00 | | Purchased At: | Cyclepaths.com | | Strengths: | Great climber, solid feel, very plush in the downhill | | Weaknesses: | High price, a touch heavy, but well built | | Similar Products Used: | Santa Cruz Superlight, Specialized FSXr, Fisher Genesis | | Bike Setup: | 2003 setup with Fox Float 100 RLC, Shimano XT discs, cranks, hubs. | | Bottom Line: | I have to preempt my statements by saying that this is my first dual suspension bike. Coming from a Fisher Mt. Tam(Genesis), I was truly worried that I would suffer while climbing. This is not the case. The bike truly feels like it digs in on the ascents. I'm still dialing in the suspension, but the Fox Float is incredible. I have to admit that I was concerned when reading some of the reviews on this bike regarding lateral stiffness and a "harsh" intermediate bump handling, but I dont notice any of that. I am 6'3 and weigh 200 lbs and ride the 21" frame which seems to be a perfect fit. I will update again in 6 months,but so far I have to say that this bike rocks! It is a fantastic all-around bike especially if you are the typical weekend trail rider looking for all around ride quality. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
jesper w
a Weekend Warrior
from Denmark
Date Reviewed: February 4, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | any real trail | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$4000.00 | | Purchased At: | Denmark | | Strengths: | Well built, solid, good geometry, | | Weaknesses: | The suspension could have been 4,5,6, instead of 3.5, 4.0,4.5 that would have made this bike immortal | | Similar Products Used: | Klein mantra fs, scott strike team fs, santa cruz superlight 2002 | | Bike Setup: | fox vanilla 125 fork, xtr, race face cranks, chris hubs, wtb saddel, michelin xls fr. tire, conti escape rear tire -awesome winter tire) | | Bottom Line: | After a line of singel pivot bikes, i took the ets, i use it for trail biking, ruts, wild singeltrack, at high speeds, and it slams, grins, just rails trough it. the frame is stiff, i can be seated much longer than my other bikes. and the position on the bike is the best. uphill the real wheel is glued to the trail, bobbing from the suspension i irrelevant, it handles so well. the frame is a quite nice hand job. 6 months of dry, rain, snow, a no slop creaking in bearings. good. the buddies i ride with is missing in action, a 100 meter of tight trail, and they cry... if possible, i would rate it 4.5 chi, beause it would be a goddes with an inch more. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
michael
a Weekend Warrior
from ca
Date Reviewed: January 29, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Purchased At: | 3k | | Strengths: | It really does climb like a hardtail. I leave it in the 4.5 setting all the time. No sketchiness descending either. You can just ride and ride. The linkage is very solid. It is a well thought out product. The ideal bike for epic rides! | | Weaknesses: | A little on the heavy side. | | Similar Products Used: | Santa Cruz, Specialized, Marin | | Bike Setup: | 2002 version. Replaced the tires and housing, upgraded the shifters. | | Bottom Line: | Nothing else I have ridden comes close to the control and enjoyment I recieve from riding this bike. It is way better than I am. Definitely a keeper! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Rodi Stalder
a Weekend Warrior
from Zurich, Switzerland
Date Reviewed: January 21, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$1759.00 | | Purchased At: | Simon's Bike Shop, Vancouver BC | | Strengths: | Makes you fast.
Climbs like a goat.
Unbelievable amount of traction.
Doesn't dive into suspension when it's not supposed to be.
Looks. | | Weaknesses: | Front derailleur cable routing goes over bare frame (cable is touching frame).
Damper get's hit by a lot of dirt (more than I'm used from the RM 3D-Link designs). Had to add a little fender.
Very expensive.
| | Similar Products Used: | RM Element, Instinct and Slayer. Various Horst Link suspension designs. | | Bike Setup: | Bought frame only: Manitou Black Super Air 03, Magura Marta disc brakes, Mavic X317 rims with Hugi 240 hubs, Schwalbe Big Jim 2.25 tires, Race Face stem, Syntace Vector Lowrider handlebar, Ritchey seatpost, Chris King headset, Shimano XT drivetrain and crankset/BB, Time Attac's. | | Bottom Line: | Normally, I don't give much about all the marketing hype surrounding the arrival of a new bike. But in case of the ETSX platform, I think every single bit is true. It really combines the sportive character of the Element with the trail riding capabilities of the Slayer.
Especially traction is at it's prime. I've never had a bike that let me so easily restart in very steep climbs without constantly loosing traction.
Although it delivers plenty of travel, it doesn't dive as much into suspension as other long travel designs. I've noticed this especially when climbing. It seems to keep you always well balanced on the bike, even more than the shorter travel RM Element.
Buy it if you are looking for a long travel bike that delivers the responsiveness of a race bike. It's great for events like a race over the Alps (or something like that). Go for the ETSX-30 if you're looking for a very competitive priced package.
Don't buy it if you're more comfort oriented. Then I'd suggest a Specialized Enduro or something like that. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Nasher
a Cross Country Rider
from Cymru (Wales)
Date Reviewed: November 29, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | The Wayfarer Loop, Wales | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Purchased At: | Nirvana Cycles, Dorking UK | | Strengths: | climbs up like a goat, descends like a lemming.
Really plush and lateralyy stiff rear end.
that paint job and tremendous build quality, cnc'ing and attention to detail.
adjustable suspension | | Weaknesses: | It hasnt got any...simple as that. Ok its not the lightest but I didnt want a light flexy bike.
The pivots developed a creak, but I have the fix kit on its way...so not really a weakness just a slight fault that can easily be remedied.
The price £1500 for frame alone but compare it to other bikes with similar price and its a bargain in comparison. | | Similar Products Used: | nothing comes close to this, but previous bike was Giant NRS | | Bike Setup: | pace,hopes,raceface, xtr, king etc.... only the best can adorn themselves on this beauty | | Bottom Line: | I first saw this in the shop and thought F#ck me! then I saw the price and walked away. Went to the shop again a month later and saw it again when the owner offered it for a test ride, I immediately bought one that day.
Shes awesome, rides way faster than my NRS, I outrun lycra clad xc'ers on this (uphill as well as down) Its so comfortable, just soaks up anything than comes across it. Climbing is great the no bob works (although it is slight on smooth stuff but can you really eliminate bob totally?)
I visited moab and rockies in August to try her out properly and she eat the porcupine rim.
All she needs now are the maverick forks...mmmmm and together we shall rule the trails | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Dan
a Cross Country Rider
from Canton,CT
Date Reviewed: November 18, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | SlatyFork, WV | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$3250.00 | | Purchased At: | Valley Bicycle | | Strengths: | Adjustable Travel, RMB Customer Service | | Weaknesses: | Frame developed a nasty creek (which was fixed by LBS from a kit supplied by RMB) and the frame cracked after 3 months of riding. | | Similar Products Used: | None like it. Current bike was a 1999 Marin Mount Vision Pro. | | Bike Setup: | Stock...except a WTB saddle, XTR Shifters, Shimano 959 pedals, Easton EA70 Stem | | Bottom Line: | The bike is great! I fell in love with it after the demo ride. The adjustable travel is great (although I just leave mine in the 4.5" position). I am a 200 Lbs rider so weight isn't an issue for me. Really don't understand why everyone is so weight conscious anyway, just ride the bike and see how you like it...you'll love it!
I developed loud creeks from the pivots after about a month of riding. After complaining to the LBS, they mentioned that RMB had already put out a kit to fix the problem. LBS replaced the pivots free of charge. Only complaint was why did I have to wait to develop the problem before they swapped them.
I purchased the bike in late June. I own a 19" frame. About a month ago, a cracked the seat tube by the rear shock mount and by the top tube weld to the seat tube. This is where RMB really impressed me. They sent a new frame to my LBS without waiting to see the one I had cracked. I dropped the bike off at the LBS on Monday and picked it up on Friday. Huge kudos to RMB (and my LBS) for getting me back in the woods so fast!!!!!
This bike is awesome and with RMB standing behind it, it is all the sweeter. I haven't demoed a 2003 with the Fox Fork (as this was a change in spec from the "pre-production" 2002 model I have), but I can only think it would improve the bike. If you are someone who enjoys all day rides and is more interested in durability and reliability versus grams this is the bike for you. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Danny Soda
a Weekend Warrior
from Vancouver,BC, Canada
Date Reviewed: November 18, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | Hinode (Japan) | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$3500.00 | | Purchased At: | Simons Bike Shop | | Strengths: | Everything from Handling, to components | | Weaknesses: | PRICE!! thats why 4 chillis.
Seat, why does RMB always cheapout on Saddles?
not really a weakness but RMB was quick to send (to Japan) me the fix for the R sus creaking. | | Similar Products Used: | RMB Thin Air/Vertex/Pipeline (still have)/Oxygen/Stratos, Specialized FSR & Comp, GT, Giant, Kona | | Bike Setup: | Stock June 2002 model, Marathon S, WTB Saddle, eggbeater peddles | | Bottom Line: | I Live and ride in Japan, lots of climbing = lots of
ridge & DH trails. As you can see, I've riddin' RMB bikes most of my life, just love the way they handle. in the
3.5 travel, the bike handles/Climbs like a HT XC bike (similiar to my old Thin Air/Vertex). In 4.5 mode, still quick but with lots of travel. Although a bit harder for climbs. 4.0 mode is in between, where I usually have it set to. This bike is on the heavy side, so for the weight geeks, go for the Instinct or Scandnium bikes. If you want fun get the ETSX 70 | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Gerardo Mier y Teran
a Weekend Warrior
from Queretaro, Qro. Mexico
Date Reviewed: November 8, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | Aserrin / Servin Qro. Mex | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Purchased At: | Simon Bike Shop Vancouver CA | | Strengths: | Light weigh full suspension baby!. FOr a 4" the bump activities are excellent. The handling on this Bike is the most wicked thing, not to mention the flexibility for the travel and the lock out for those endless uphills. I am a tall guy and the 19" has me going down hill really fast and has me on the edge for imporving my skills to go up hill. I am used to ride on weekend with my buddies who most of them ride hardtials and I was ridinga aKona Stinky deelux , which let me only watching their rear ends going Up, it was fun hwn the situation became the other way around when we were coming down....but with the ETS x70 has left me in the postion to do both very good... | | Weaknesses: | price range ...it hurts!!! | | Similar Products Used: | none, Kona bears though too heavy | | Bike Setup: | stock 2002 model | | Bottom Line: | as we say in SPANISH.. this Bike "esta de NO Mames".....
pls cosider to vists and ride Mexico...its a most!!!
Saludos!! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Richard
a Racer
from NH
Date Reviewed: November 7, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | Fort Rock | | Duration Product Used: | Tested or demo'ed only | | Strengths: | Suspension | | Weaknesses: | Front end felt twichy. | | Similar Products Used: | Gary Fisher sugar I | | Bottom Line: | I was happy with my ol sugar, until this nasty guy from Wheel Power forced me to switch bikes with him on our weekly ride. Thanks to him I will never be happy again with my old ride. The rear suspension was amazing. It handled the small bumps well, stiff, solid rear end that allows you to hold a line. The big surprise was on the big hits. Slam into a pile of rocks and lo and behold it pushes back and somehow adds power to your pedal stroke. Usually when you go deep into the suspension during a big hit on a normal bike you loose some power, not this baby. Don't know how they did this but it was truly a weird and wonderful experience. I do have to add a caveat however that the steering was way to quick for my tastes, and the front end would not stay on the ground. But this could be because I was riding a 19" with the seat pushed way way back... and the whole setup was way to big for me. Also I am used the Fishers geometry, which I love dearly... but is known to have slow steering characteristics. I was going to get the blur, but now I am considering this too...decisions decisions...I have not yet had a chance to really beat on the blur yet. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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