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    Submitted by Tim Howson a Cross Country Rider from Sheffield, Yorkshire, U.K.
    Date Reviewed: July 29, 2004
    Favorite Trail:Hayfield route - Peak District
    Duration Product Used:1 Year
    Price Paid: $2998.00
    Purchased At:JE James Sheffield
    Strengths:Great handling, light weight, good brakes.
    Weaknesses:Suspension noise. Poor bottom bracket. Servicing. Problems with chain suck.
    Similar Products Used:Specialized Stumpjumper FSR.
    Bike Setup:Manitou Skareb fork, Hope hubs and discs, Raceface cranks.
    Bottom Line:The bike is the lightest XC full suspension rig I have ridden not counting a quick blast on a friends Stumpjumper. It is great on the climbs and the geometry suits me well. I don't seem to get a lot of suspension bob.
    If you really hammer it downhill it can become a bit difficult to control, but maybe tweaking the suspension would remedy this.

    The main problems I have had are creaking / squeaking noises from the suspension and irratating chain suck from the cranks. It is the first time I have used disc brakes and the Hope minis it has are great, but adds another degree of difficulty when servicing.
    Value Rating:4Overall Rating:4

    Submitted by dale mcdermott a Cross Country Rider from doncaster,england
    Date Reviewed: October 31, 2003
    Duration Product Used:6 months
    Price Paid: $3000.00
    Purchased At:wheelies
    Strengths:strong,light.good for racing and trail riding.simple design and trick looking.
    Weaknesses:welding not the neatest and bobbing on smooth trails although not enough to worry about.most single pivot bikes will suffer trom this in some way.
    Similar Products Used:trek fuel 90
    Bike Setup:fox floats,xt/xtr.easton carbon post/bars,hope/x317 wheels,float rl rear shock.
    Bottom Line:a brilliant allround xc bike,well built although buy as frame only as orange specs a little unappealing.also try to get one with a lockout or manitou 3 way shock to reduce bobbing.best to use a 100mm travel fork to broaden all round ability.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:4

    Submitted by Huw Watkins a Cross Country Rider from London, UK
    Date Reviewed: December 11, 2002
    Duration Product Used:3 months
    Price Paid: $2600.00
    Purchased At:Sunset MTB
    Strengths:Great frame and finish (lumpy welding aside). Light, fast, very stiff and no bob. Quick handling. (Now) does the job I wanted it to - fast, simple FS XC bike
    Weaknesses:Finishing kit on Pro spec weak. FSA BB spindle snapped within 5 mins of riding; Shimano chain went soon after. Seat pin, saddle and stem junk. WTB rims very loose tyre fit.
    Similar Products Used:Voodoo Bokor, Kona Kilauea
    Bike Setup:Stock Sub 3 Pro with Scareb Comp lockout forks and SID rear shock. Changes - Hope Minis, Race Face Deus stem, SRAM rockets, Thomson seat pin, XTR rear mech, Race Face BB, Flite Ti saddle. Middleburn XC cranks soon to replace Race Face; can't get the chain line working smoothly on a 2 ring set up.
    Bottom Line:Now it's working, I love it. A great frame let down by some poor stock components. Should have just bought a frame and built it up piecemeal.

    Have heard it critisized for a low BB height but have never had a problem.

    One last thing, I'm 6'4" with a 35" inside leg and my bike is 20". Top tube length is fine but it has a very low head height. This has necessitated an an inch of spacers and a 15 degree rise stem to get it to fit me.
    Value Rating:3Overall Rating:4






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