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Submitted by
jake
a Racer
from lakes nj usa Date Reviewed: April 23, 2005 | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Bottom Line: | ************************** *** Quadra 21R Rebuild Kit*** ************************** http://www.geocities.com/quadra_21r/ Rebuild.html
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Submitted by
João Esteves
a Cross Country Rider
from Lisbon Portugal Date Reviewed: September 26, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Montalegre Larouco | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Price Paid: |
$300.00 | | Purchased At: | Loja das bicicletas/ benfica | | Strengths: | lightweight | | Weaknesses: | Generally a bad suspension. it's not adjustable in everything marzocchi says it can be. | | Similar Products Used: | -/- | | Bike Setup: | Bianchi Peregrine | | Bottom Line: | I have to say, this was my first front suspension bought in 96. It was a light fork, but was not adjustable at all! Bad suspension in general. It started to pump out oil 3 years after i bought it. Lucky of me , it was my opurtunity to finnaly have a decent front suspension. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Shawn Gurney
a Cross Country Rider
from Burnaby B.C. Canada Date Reviewed: August 10, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | UBC | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Price Paid: |
$350.00 | | Purchased At: | Richmond Cycle | | Strengths: | Air oil, Best value for the buck when I bought it in '95, adjustable damping, good customer service, weight, cam brake (see below). | | Weaknesses: | Shraeder air valves, needle valves are easier, recall on crown (my serial number was exempt, but cracked anyways), cam brake.
| | Similar Products Used: | XC-600 (buddies bike), '96 judys (friends bike) | | Bike Setup: | Pegeot Dune Racer SI, bought as frame only, Scott ATX-4 bars, AXIOM stem, Trans-x suspension post, XT group, weinmann rims. | | Bottom Line: | This fork has been great for the last 5 years, it has taken a pounding and still works great.
If you keep up on the maintenance, this fork will perform well.
To the guys who slag this fork, remember, it is a CROSS COUNTRY fork, not some 5 pound freeride monster, if you really thrash on it, it will probably break.
If you want a GOOD xc air/oil fork, buy the XCR, it has the same internals as the 600 series, but is not as expensive.
I am 6', 200 pounds, and yes, I can bottom this fork, if I jump my bike off of the loading dock at work.
If you are large like me, try increasing the oil level by 2-4 mm and running about 40 LB of air pressure.
Also, product suport was very good, they replaced my crown for free even though it was not part of the recall. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Cliff
a Cross Country Rider
from Pocatello, ID USA Date Reviewed: January 22, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | roller coaster | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Purchased At: | cycle sports | | Strengths: | came stock on my 95 Bianchi Denali | | Weaknesses: | came stock on my 95 Bianchi Denali | | Similar Products Used: | rs mag 21 | | Bike Setup: | stock | | Bottom Line: | the fork sucks compared to my rock shock mag 21. don't even consider buying this fork as an after market add on. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Crash Bandicoot
a Weekend Warrior
from Ontario Canada Date Reviewed: November 21, 2000 | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Strengths: | cheap | | Weaknesses: | Leaky | | Bottom Line: | My XCR's came stock on my 95 Nitro. I run x-country on weekends and thought I had a shock that could keep up with an old fart such as myself. Not. They have had the seals replaced 3 times and now the right side dropped all the oil while the bike was in storage. Anyway it's time for a new ride and it won't have 'zocchi brothers suspension. My daughter is old enough to inherit the headaches. I guess if you're strapped for cash you can find them around pretty cheap. I'd rate them for 170lb. riders and down (too flexi). | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Mazapekka Niemelä
a Weekend Warrior
from Riihimäki, Finland Date Reviewed: July 31, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | Kiistaveikkojen ulkoilureitti | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Strengths: | The great XCR has a very good adjustability. And it handles big bumps greatly. It can be adjusted to have 60mm travel with R-Tech spring set. | | Weaknesses: | The slider bars are too close to the wheel. If you don't keep those bars clean, your seals are doomed. My XCR has leaked almost 70% of its oil, because I didn't do proper cleaning. It is not very sensitive with very little bumps. | | Similar Products Used: | '99 RockShox Judy C, '00 Marzocchi Z5 QR20 | | Bike Setup: | Kuwahara Colorado(with no original parts exept seatpost and frame) | | Bottom Line: | I payed only 50$ of my XCR. It is Worth it. By if you find one, at least just for fun!!! | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Philip Onslow
a Weekend Warrior
from Edinburgh, Scotland Date Reviewed: January 14, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | Glentress Forest, Peebles | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Strengths: | superlight, very plush travel, totally adjustable, excellent backup service | | Weaknesses: | flexy in all directions, bolts prone to breakage, not suitable for hardcore riding | | Similar Products Used: | Judy 100 | | Bike Setup: | '95 Kona Sex Too | | Bottom Line: | I bought my Kona off a mate and he'd already trashed it, but I was still very impressed with the superb action of the fork. There is quite a lot of stiction, but that makes it a better XC fork - it's less likely to bob when sprinting. Once moving they are well damped. I had steel springs fitted and they are excellent. Damping adjusters didn't seem to have an effect though.
They are very flexy but you get used to it. I have blown the oil seals twice and broken the crown bolts twice, so don't use them for hardcore riding. Also check the brake bridge bolts, they work loose. I weighed them in at 3.3lbs, so they are the "poor" XC rider's dream. Windwave's fork service is amazing, they changed all the seals and broken bolts as well for £30 and I got it back in 3 days. Spring upgrade £18, well worth it. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
chris
a Weekend Warrior
from hanover Date Reviewed: June 2, 1999 | | Favorite Trail: | buffy... | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Strengths: | It is a really good value... good preload adjustability if you have the pump | | Weaknesses: | i never noticed any but for a lack of travel in the year i owned it | | Similar Products Used: | bomber Z1 Z2 rst indy | | Bike Setup: | norco rampage '95 | | Bottom Line: | A good plush fork... stiffen it completly for in town riding, or make it just right for XC, kinda annoying that you need a pump. But it is really good, and now you can get them for 50 bucks used so you cant really go wrong. | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Feckrag
a downhiller
from Lancaster England Date Reviewed: February 12, 1999 | | Bottom Line: |
Frickin 'ell man! I took these babies down Big Bear in USA, and I raced them at Cheddar. No need for BoXXers, just take XCR! Get out your footpump and your away! No need for hydracoils, all ya need is a standard garage air line and pump em up to the max! These little bad boyz almost have as much travel as those gnarly project 2's on the market, and cost less. Why bother with my Santa Cruz Super 8 with Monster T's when I can have my Saracen Raw with trusty XCR's. Move over Rob Warner with your BoXXers, and make way for the feckrag with his XCR's. These bastards will get your down any DH in super quik time. Provided you attach rockets to your pants. | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Hawk
a cross-country rider
from Date Reviewed: May 8, 1998 | | Bottom Line: |
Great fork for the dollar....I've put this fork through alot of pain and it still works great. Have heard stories about blown seals but this has never happened to me. I have the 96 version and its well worth the money and its light to considering other shocks on the market. Would give 5 star but it is a little flexy.Hawk. | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Barrie Clarke
a weekend warrior
from Lancashire Date Reviewed: January 18, 1998 | | Bottom Line: |
I love these forks! They are superb! What more can I say. Better than Hannebrink's anyday! Go out and buy some then pump up a hill! These forks are so good, that I think that they should come stock on every Kona Stab released. Their massive 51mm of travel really rocks the house on a 6 minute downhill. They feel like rigid forks, in fact I think that they are actually rigid! | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Brian Cheek
a downhiller
from Corvallis, OR Date Reviewed: September 3, 1997 | | Bottom Line: |
These forks came stock on my '95 Kona Sex too. I used a pair of xc600s on my hardtail and felt the performance was just fine.I too suffered much crown bolt breakage and eventually went to all stainless steel bolts. The best upgrade is the steel springs from Marzocchi. use these and a small amount of pressure for the big hits, and stop blowing seals and reduce stiction. (a small travel increase may also be present)True they are not the greatest for downhilling, but I can still finish in the top ten in senior sport. I recently broke the crown on a big crash front wheel hit, and with no questions my LBS called Marzocchi and they are replacing it for free. No proof of purchase and I did not even buy the bike from them. No questions whatsoever, no whining, just service. I recommend any marzocchi product to any rider. The older stuff works just fine and is much cheaper than a lot of crappy new stuff. (indys, machs, quadras, etc.)Maybe I biased from my motorcycle background but Marzocchi has been building high quality suspension for a while and I like adjustability.Get the springs, it's more than worth it.
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Submitted by
Brian Cheek
a downhiller
from Corvallis, OR Date Reviewed: September 3, 1997 | | Bottom Line: |
These forks came stock on my '95 Kona Sex too. I used a pair of xc600s on my hardtail and felt the performance was just fine.I too suffered much crown bolt breakage and eventually went to all stainless steel bolts. The best upgrade is the steel springs from Marzocchi. use these and a small amount of pressure for the big hits, and stop blowing seals and reduce stiction. (a small travel increase may also be present)True they are not the greatest for downhilling, but I can still finish in the top ten in senior sport. I recently broke the crown on a big crash front wheel hit, and with no questions my LBS called Marzocchi and they are replacing it for free. No proof of purchase and I did not even buy the bike from them. No questions whatsoever, no whining, just service. I recommend any marzocchi product to any rider. The older stuff works just fine and is much cheaper than a lot of crappy new stuff. (indys, machs, quadras, etc.)Maybe I biased from my motorcycle background but Marzocchi has been building high quality suspension for a while and I like adjustability.Get the springs, it's more than worth it.
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Submitted by
MR. D
a cross-country rider
from Cornwall Ontario Canada Date Reviewed: August 18, 1997 | | Bottom Line: |
I bought my XCR about a year ago. This is an excellent fork, no question. I was going to buy a Quadra 21r to replace the Quadra 5 catastrophe that came with my bike but my BSG suggested I try the air oil XCR. I was kind of reluctant at first but when he said that if I didn't like it he would switch it for the Rock Shox plus the difference I said what the hell. I never did go back. Fact is, the XCR costs about a third less than the Quadra 21r and outperforms it in the bargain. It's got a pretty plush feel which makes me forgive it's admittedly limited 2 inches of travel. But for X country how much more travel do you really need?I was suprised the fork has held up so well. I am a 200lb. plus rider and consider myself to be fairly agressive. I can't detect any of this flex everyone keeps talking about. I have tried out some other forks on my buddies' bikes, including the Judy SL and I feel they are about the same for rigidity. So I think it's important to say at this point that as far as MTBing goes there is definitely stuff that works and stuff that doesn't. Why pay four or five hundred bucks for a minor increase in performance? Unless you've got Bill Gates' bank account it just doesn't make sense. Ther's been a lot of hype about the new Indys and they are a good fork but they cost more and still have that rubber ball feel which I hate, having put up with it for too long on my Q5. Looking at the manual, servicing looks kind of complex but it's nothing the average joe can't handle. I haven't even serviced it yet and performance is still about as good as when I first got it except for a small amount of stiction. The seals on this fork also work extremely well. I have heard horror stories about blown seals and/or cartridges on other forks but have never encountered that problem with the XCR. Another plus is Marzocchi's 2 year warranty. The only thing I hate on this fork is the stupid cam brake adjuster on the brake arch. What a Martain nutcracker! Would I buy MArzocchi at some point in the future for the dualie I plan to get? Absolutely. | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Special Ed
a cross-country rider
from Canada Date Reviewed: July 1, 1997 | | Bottom Line: |
Great fork for the money (250$ can.). Personally, I've tried some higher priced forks, and the XCR out performed them. The adjustability is great, and it's low maintainance. The cable hanger can be a piss off to adjust, but other than that. I weigh 180# and have had no problems with the rigidity on technical decents. | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Phillip Sale
a downhiller
from Hobart, Australia Date Reviewed: June 14, 1997 | | Bottom Line: |
Bit of an update on the XCR's, the rating has gone down a bit. I only weigh 55kg's(15yo) , but I managed to pull the brace of the front of the forks during a downhill, then the stanctions strted slipping somemore, oil starts leaking, seals are starting to go. Bang, crack kaboom, BIG splits through the crown(three of them altogether), two weeks out of warranty. Now the seals have gone completely. Very linear now, Lucky there is lotsa stiction to stop them bottoming under my static weight :-)They were okay, a s you saw with the 4 stars, but for the last month they have gone down to | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Matt Chum
a cross-country rider
from Toronto, Ont, Canada Date Reviewed: June 11, 1997 | | Bottom Line: |
I've got the 95 model, which came stock on my bike. It worked fine for one season untill I installed V-brakes. I know have a blown seal and about 0.005 of slop between the stanchions and the sliders. Its probably the V-brakes putting too much stress on the fork. If you use V-brakes with this fork and find your brakes to be howling, get a brake beefer. Other wise when the fork fine, it only has a bit of stiction. | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Ross Johnson
a cross-country rider
from Richmond British Columbia Date Reviewed: May 8, 1997 | | Bottom Line: |
I have had a set of XCRs for three years and found after I learned to disassemble them for clean that I was rewarded with consistant performance. I weigh about 145# and use 35 psig in winter for pathway riding and about 45# on the trails. Don't tighten those stachion to crown bolts over 80 to 100 # or they will break. These are a nice adjustable shock for light duty riding. I would have worn out elastomeric shocks of a comparable price by now. | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Phillip Sale
a downhiller
from Hobart, Australia Date Reviewed: April 10, 1997 | | Bottom Line: |
These forks came standard on my 1995 Kona Sex One, PROS: They only have a small amount of initial stiction, but when you get get going they are extremely plush, they are easy to service, and you don't have to weight the front of the bike to activate them over stutters (unlike some other forks I have ridden). CONS: Over bumps they deflect back quite a bit, the bolts in the crown have been suffereing chronic breakage and are able to work them selves out after a day or two of hard riding. The legs twist a bit, and I think this caused me to break a couple of bolts in the crown. It is fairly pointless to set sag up with the XCR's as this means that there is not enough travel left for the real bumps.Very plush, but I have probably worn out the LBS's easy out with all the broken bolts. If I was in the weekend warrior category I would be extremely pleased, but since I have started DH racing, they can't hack it. I am going into the market for some more serious DH forks now. | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Tom Skibinski
a cross-country rider
from Livonia,MI Date Reviewed: April 3, 1997 | | Bottom Line: |
I own a Kona Explosif /w 1995 XCR and up untill this spring it has performed flawlessly. This spring the seals on both legs blew.....big bummer. | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Chris Byrne
a weekend warrior
from New Zealand Date Reviewed: March 30, 1997 | | Bottom Line: |
I fitted some XCR-11 on my KHS Hardtail and i have found them great. I am not heavy, (160 lbs) and have found them plush, and responsive. They do flex a little. After six months of hard use maintenance so far has been zero. The air-oil set up is superior to any elastomer fork, and for the money i think they are just great! | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
daniel roberts
a cross-country rider
from sydny nsw bankstown Date Reviewed: March 23, 1997 | | Bottom Line: |
Exalanl fork easy to agast. You can spend hours fidalling with them | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Brandon Messer
a racer
from Bismarck ND Date Reviewed: March 15, 1997 | | Bottom Line: |
I Think this Shox is a Great investment, But my seals blew. How do you get these shox all the way apart? After i get the first two seals off i cannot get the rest apart. Please E-mail me back with the answers. Thank you | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Geof Harries
a racer
from Thunder Bay, Ontario Date Reviewed: February 14, 1997 | | Bottom Line: |
Nice and basic review. GOOD STUFF: Super plush; works amazing on both big and small hits; I never serviced it once during a whole season of racing; light weight; tons of adjustability for both compression and rebound; and looks sweet to boot. BAD STUFF: I never bottomed it once over the summer, so I measured my travel with the ol' zip-tie method and I found I was only getting 1.8 inches of travle instead of the stock 2, so adjustment can be frustrating; fork boots occasionally slip down the slider legs so use zip-ties to keep the grunge out; and flex-city if you're big like me (6'3, 190 lbs.) in hard corners and when standing up and hammering on the bar-ends.
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Submitted by
Oliver Austin
a cross-country rider
from wales..UK Date Reviewed: January 28, 1997 | | Bottom Line: |
I'm afraid I'm dissapointed... I have some XCR's, made in 94, on my Kona SEX Too.The forks are unsensitive (i.e. not plush) and the compression damping is ineffective and rebound damping non-existent. If you run the recomended 51psi then they bearly move at all ( I weigh 12 stone). Now they are pissing oil. I can't get hold of a long enough allen key to reach the bottom retaing screw and the recommended oil costs an arm and a leg as did the £16 seals...! Oh yes and they flex loads too. But I've eventually got used to that, and as long as you have long handelbars you can wrench the front wheel straight. But other more rigid forks are better by far. Verdict: Not good for cross country, and presumably insufficent travel for downhill, as well as too much torsional flex...! But better than rigid forks..! P.S. My rear shock which is also Marzocchi (which was faulty...but replaced quickly and free of charge..! )is a load of bollocks too. I hope these new Bombers are as good as people say. But I'll never go near Marzocchi again. | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
John
a racer
from Maine Date Reviewed: December 21, 1996 | | Bottom Line: |
I bought my XCR almost two years ago when I was just starting out and it has consistantly done the job through my racing year. The XCR is an excellent fork for the money. I have found the Air-Oil action to be nothing less than smooth and supple as well as totally adjustable no matter how you ride or how heavy you are. This fork feels lighter than its RS counterpart and has better movement ans less stiction that all but the Judys. I read an article in a magizine that said that the XCR was noticable stiffer than the MAG-21. However, I have experienced the sqeaking that Dave said (Just oil running through the valves I think) but it dosn't detract from the performance too much. Sure, you could buy one of those fancy yellow forks and get all kinds of Oohs and Ahhs, or you could just buy an XCR and fly by him on the trails with a pocket full of cash. I have to admit, I caved in and I am going to buy a new fork, but rest assure it's going to have the Marzocchi name on it. Bombs Away! | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
David Pottage
a cross-country rider
from Southampton, UK Date Reviewed: November 21, 1996 | | Bottom Line: |
The Marazochi XCR suspension fork is an air oil unit unlike the more common elastomer sprung units. Air oil suspension forks are normally associated with stiction, high maintenance and complexity. I have suffered from none of these problems. Stiction is low, and by oiling the stanchions, I have found that I can be reduced to almost nothing. In the 4 months I have had it, I have found no need to carry out any routine maintenance. As for complexity, I dare say an annual oil change & re-build will be complex, but so is re building a wheel. I can learn to do that like anything else, or get my LBS to do it. As it is an air oil unit, it is adjustable and very plush. It has a short travel (51mm) by modern standards, But you don’t notice it on the trail.. Air can be added or removed to change the spring rate, though you can’t use an ordinary pump, and no special pump was supplied. There are adjusting knobs on the legs which adjust the damping instantly. The principal disadvantage with it’s air/oil nature is it does not like being turned upside down. Not just inverting the bike to sort out the drive train, but laying the bike on it’s side when you take a rest from riding, or even lifting the bike onto it’s back wheel to get it through a confined space. When you try to use it again, the suspension is very squeaky and less push, The manual recommends it be left to stand for half an hour, But I have found that riding it with damping on minimum for about 10 minute does the trick. It is also said that Marazochi sus forks are flexy. I have found this is true, unlike more expensive, stiffer forks, a suspension hub is necessary. Without a brake booster, the brake pivots flex by about 3-4 mm. But brake boosters are not expensive. he brakes are by a cam, which was a pain to set up, but work well. Overall, I would say this a good entry level fork and very plush, but is let down by it’s flexy nature. If you can afford to, I suggest you go upmarket, maybe a Bommer would be a good choice, or a Pace? I am reliably informed that the only difference between this fork and a normal XCR is the yellow paint.
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Submitted by
Doug
a cross-country rider
from Ct Date Reviewed: October 1, 1996 | | Bottom Line: |
It is a great fork for the price. Nice ride and easy to maintain. I have had no problems with the seals or anything else. Only complaint is that it could be stiffer. That is why I give it a four. | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Bill C.
a cross-country rider
from Hopewell NJ Date Reviewed: August 27, 1996 | | Bottom Line: |
I just pulled my Marzocchi XCR off my Kona Kilauea. I'm 225lbs,ride rough, rocky trails (yes there are rocks in NJ,steep decents too).The fork was under dampened and tended to flop to one side or the other when hitting bumps (see Eric from Seattle's review).The dampening problem could be worked on if I could find the 30wt fork oil (spectro) that Marzocchi Tech recomends but the flop is a different matter.Marzocchi uses a off set fork crown to get trail.This gives leverage to the bump and causes the bars to want twist, you can't develope confidence in your bike under these conditions.I switched to a Mag-21,no off set.What a differance,now I can smoke through sections that were white knuckle before.And I got that Kona handling I payed for. The Marzocchi is well made,simple to work on,and not a bad choice for a light rider looking for a first fork,But with Mag 21 prices dropping like rocks you bigger riders might want to look else where.
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Submitted by
Bobby Easy Chan
a weekend warrior
from St Laurent, Quebec, CANADA Date Reviewed: July 18, 1996 | | Bottom Line: |
After trashing my Rock Shox Quadra, I decided to get the Marzocchi XCR after seeing how well the XC51 performed for the given price. The XCR is a super fork and with the added stiffness and the addition of the damping knobs (6 clicks), you can't beat it. I used it in XC and DH and by changing the pressure and the damping, it's a super fork if you're not racing. Servicing the fork is also VERY EASY. Any beginner with a few tools can change the oil. I would recommend putting fork boots on the fork right away to prolong the life of the seals. | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Eric
a cross-country rider
from Seattle WA Date Reviewed: July 4, 1996 | | Bottom Line: |
This fork came stock on my 95 Kona Kilauea. I considered swapping it for a Halson Inversion when the bike was being built up, but decided to wait and see. The fork worked fine in most situations, but the legs got really flexy on technical downhill singletrack. I found myself getting freaked out - it felt as though something was always about to give, and rather than giving me more confidence in sketchy sections I was actually more hesitant. I'm ~180 lbs, which doesn't make me a lightweight, but I was surprised that I had to chase the front end around to keep the bike in control.
Well, a few months later I bought a Judy SL - the fork I should have had all along. Way stiffer, way plusher, lighter, way simpler to adjust, and the thing tracks great on the twisty stuff. When you compare the difference in performance, the price premium for an SL over a fork isn't that big. The Marzocchi retailed for about $275 - SL's run ~$425-450 mail thru mailorder. Money well spent... | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Tom Lutz
a cross-country rider
from Long Lake, Minnesota Date Reviewed: May 17, 1996 | | Bottom Line: |
I recently had the XRC installed on my KONA Kilauea. Originally, I was set to purchase a 21R, but my LBS convinced me that the XRC would be a better ride and more tuneable. After having owned a Manitou product, I do enjoy the ride - it is very smooth, progressive, and the rebound is not harsh or spring-like. I was cautioned that set-up is key with any Marzocchi shock - if not done properly, it will feel like any other shock out there. My riding style is certainly finesse - I don't break anything, but I did need something to soften up the ride on a very rigid hardtail. I run the damping on the lowest setting, and I haven't bottomed the fork out yet (I weigh 160 pounds).
My recommendation - if you can find a dealer who knows how to set these forks up properly, give them a good test ride - you'll appreciate the difference between elastomers and a good air/oil fork.
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