Submitted by
chadamorris
a Cross Country Rider
from Norman, OK Date Reviewed: October 14, 2009
Favorite Trail:
NuDraper
Duration Product Used:
More than 3 years
Price Paid:
$750.00
Purchased At:
eBay
Strengths:
Great Frame that will take a beating!Bike was upgraded when i bought it so the brakes were good as well as a new SID shock.
Weaknesses:
The Crank could be better and the stock seat is terrible.
Similar Products Used:
Trek 4500
Bike Setup:
Stock except for Rock Shox SID fork, AVID disc brakes, and upgraded seat.
Bottom Line:
Great bike for the money at the time of purchase. I've had this bike for 7 years and it's always performed well. The frame would probably last another 10 years with no problems
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Submitted by
dancestoblue
a Weekend Warrior
from Austin Texas USA Date Reviewed: August 18, 2009
Favorite Trail:
The green belt is fun...
Duration Product Used:
More than 3 years
Price Paid:
$700.00
Purchased At:
Cycle360 (long out o
Strengths:
Tough as an old boot. Strong frame, good components, just goes and goes
Weaknesses:
The stock Formula disk brakes needed constant adjustment.
Bike Setup:
Stock except for clipless pedals, Avid brakes, Serfas saddle, shock post.
Bottom Line:
This bike is amazing. Way tougher than I'll ever be, I've gone over the handlebars and/or dumped it a thousand times -- I'VE gotten torn up, the bike's been fine; adjust this and that and back on my way, I'm bleeding and moaning but the bike is jamming. Replaced the Formula brakes with Avid BB7's -- you hit the skids, these brakes stop you, Now. (I was able to get almost nine years out of the Formula brakes, CONSTANT ADJUSTMENTS and considerable danger, truth be told; the last year with them was, um, interesting.) Rebuilt the bike this year -- the brakes, new cassette, new crankset, chain (duh), new cables, yet another set of tires. I did not replace the rear derailleur but I'm going to when I catch one on sale somwwheres. All of this was deferred maintainance, btw -- those components held out for NINE YEARS. And now it's good for another nine years, probably. I love this bike. Buy a Giant bike, have a happy life.
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Submitted by
Scurge
a Cross Country Rider
from Deland,Florida,USA Date Reviewed: March 9, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Razorback,Reddick,Fl.
Duration Product Used:
More than 3 years
Price Paid:
$710.00
Purchased At:
outspoken bikes
Strengths:
Value! Very good parts for the $$$ Strong upgradable frame.
Weaknesses:
Crank/bottom bracket.The stock Formula MD-1 Brakes.
For what I paid,this is one hell of a bike!I've been riding it for going on 7 years now,and just buy upgraded parts as I wear stuff out.When I first got it,It developed a creaking in the bottom bracket,but I took it back to the shop,and whatever they did,it has never done it again.Recently,my home was desroyed by a tornado,my bike was hanging on the front porch,along side my son's BMX bike,long story short,I found it about 100 yards away,with not even a tweaked wheel or anything...both wheels on my son's bike where taco'd...figure that one out!All in all this has been a great bike for the money,and would recommend it to anyone,as long as they ride it as it was intended...not a downhill or freeride bike!
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Submitted by
John
a Racer
from Melb, Vic, Aus Date Reviewed: August 6, 2003
Duration Product Used:
More than 3 years
Price Paid:
$670.00
Purchased At:
Bicycle Superstore
Strengths:
stiff, lightweight, reliable, excellent specs for price, just check the sydney olympic special of AMB mag.
Weaknesses:
none
Similar Products Used:
just about every brand
Bike Setup:
the australian ATX 860 frame (same thing but different name practically), 03 Skareb forks, Titec bars/stem, XT drivetrain, mavic wheels, conti tyres.
Bottom Line:
reviews in mag said top three bargains of all time and i'm not disagreeing with them. i bought it for A$1335 with full deore, magnum forks, titec bars/stem, ZAC19 rims on LX hubs with WTB tyres. it weighed 23.5lbs which was unheard of for that price range. it was an awesome beginners XC race bike. i have now upgraded everything but the stem, bars and s and while it's not the superlight race bike i want it is unbelievable for the minute amount of money i've spent on it. if you're after an awesome value, lightweight bike for minimal money you should be able to pick one of these up very cheap and they would be worth every cent. the frame especially, for the price, is the best value around. what other company offers a 1.5kg/3.3lb for A$300. strong enough for dual or jumping, light enough for XC racing, buy it.
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Submitted by
Drew
a
from City of Angels, California Date Reviewed: June 12, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Any Single Track
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$600.00
Purchased At:
Helen's Bicycle Shop
Strengths:
Overall value is unbeatable, Frame can take a beating, relatively light-weight, cool looks, solid shifting levers, disc brakes Front & Rear.
Weaknesses:
Crank set should be replaced (I'm thinkin' XTR). Stock Fork could be adjustable but heh! the price of some aftermarket forks are more than the bike!
Similar Products Used:
None, first MTB
Bike Setup:
Stock! and it takes a beating and still keeps it movin' when called upon
Bottom Line:
This is my first MTB and I must say prior to its purchase I looked at various bikes in the 500-1000 range, given its stock setup it is the best bang for the buck. One key for me was the disc brakes (standard), yeah they squeak but you can count on them to slow you down in a hurry. This bike can also take a beating as can be attested by my many falls being a relatively new to the sport, but its solid, builds confidence, climbs with the most expensive of them, and will not require a 2nd on your house to purchase. My plans in the future are to upgrade the components to Shimano XTR and enjoy many long years of great trail, single track, and downhill riding with my Giant-
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Submitted by
MIKE "SPANKY" LEAMON
a Weekend Warrior
from AMARILLO,TX Date Reviewed: June 30, 2002
Favorite Trail:
CEDRO CANYON
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Price Paid:
$650.00
Purchased At:
BIKE KORNER
Strengths:
PRICE,SUSP. FORK, FRAME GEOMETRY
Weaknesses:
WEAK STOCK BRAKES AND WHEEL SET
Similar Products Used:
SANTA CRUZ, SCHWINN, SPECIALIZED, GARY FISHER,RALEIGH
Bike Setup:
HAYES HMX-1 MECH. BRAKES, SUN RHYNO LITE W/SHIM.XT HUBS AND MICHELIN TIRES
Bottom Line:
EXCELLENT BIKE FOR THE PRICE YOU CAN NOT BEAT IT. ITS NOT LIGHT CROSS COUNTRY RACER BUT IS A FUN PLAY AROUND BIKE. BUT THAT IS WHY ALOT OF PEOPLE RIDE IS TO HAVE FUN.
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Submitted by
Ben Dover
a Downhiller
from glens Falls Date Reviewed: September 29, 2001
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$750.00
Purchased At:
Ricks Bikeshop
Strengths:
this bike is very strong, i use it for many dropoffs, and jumps. It is a very strong bike and is great for ghost riding into busy streets or your grandparents car.
Weaknesses:
this bike has some good components, such as the shocks, the brakes and the handelbars. there are many unnamed componets on this bike though, such as the..... tink on the wheel and the other things.
Similar Products Used:
my new red tricycle, and my unicycle
Bike Setup:
it is giant!
Bottom Line:
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! ITS A @#%^W$^#%#!@ CRAZY BIKE!!!! CAUSE YOU CANT RIDE IT!
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Submitted by
David Lopez
a Weekend Warrior
from Kearny, NJ USA Date Reviewed: July 26, 2001
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$550.00
Purchased At:
Original Bike Shop
Strengths:
Judy XC , Formula Disc Brakes, Wheelset, shifters
Weaknesses:
cranks, pedals, seat
Similar Products Used:
my first mtb
Bike Setup:
stock: Future changes truvativ stylo team isis, shimano m646 pedals
Bottom Line:
I looked at about 20 different bikes ranging between 600 and 1100. They were all over priced with okay parts. This bike has great parts, very easy to upgrade and was dirt cheap for frame quality and parts. I was going to buy the 2001 model but for 300 bucks cheaper it's almost the same bike. Recommend to anyone looking for a well built, good selection of parts bike.
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Submitted by
Patrick
a Cross Country Rider
from Hellertown, PA Date Reviewed: May 17, 2001
Favorite Trail:
The "Snakebite" - South Mountain
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$700.00
Purchased At:
Saucon Valley Bikes
Strengths:
Excellent Value. With the M. Bombers and Avid disc brakes you can't get a much more trail- worthy bike for under $800.
Weaknesses:
Stock Tires are weak. Bent the rear rotor after 1 day. Bottom bracket bearing busted after one weak of use. Derailuer hanger busted after 2 weeks. Derailuer wrecked after 3 weeks.
Bike Setup:
Stock : Marzocchi fork, Avid mechanical disc brakes, Deore component group. Added Richey V-Tech pedals, bar ends, and a toothfairy chainring guard.
Bottom Line:
This bike is a great bike for the price and a great deal in general. However, if your the type of rider that beats the hell out of your bike, be prepared to pay some cash. Not dependable enough for a race bike, and requires some maitenance, but it rides like a beauty.
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Submitted by
Ed
a Cross Country Rider
from West Columbia ,Tx. Date Reviewed: May 2, 2001
Favorite Trail:
Scales Lake,In. (so far)
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$699.00
Purchased At:
Bike World
Strengths:
Great Value (extremely well rounded), Good Forks (Marzocchi Z.5), Great Brakes (avid mech.),Good components (Deore)
Weaknesses:
Stock tires (I upgraded before I hit the trail, I went to a 2.1 IRC mythos and am well pleased with the traction even under hard cornering and braking)
Bike Setup:
Stocker except tires
Bottom Line:
Any one that dose'nt want to shell out too much cash but feels as if they deserve a solid, dependable,and above average preforming ATB should at least check this one out! I researched extensivly before I purchased a new ride and I was even told by other dealers (Schwinn, GT, Specalized, and Raliegh) that no one can touch this bike (value for the buck). I am stoked with it but will be adding a Race Face stem, seat post, and crank set as well as Easton carbon straight bars. I have ordered the heavy fork springs and will be changing the oil from 7.5w to 10w and the level from 45mm to 40mm (a tech tip for you 200+ weight riders)as well as 100mm travel from the stock 80mm.
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Submitted by
Steve
a Weekend Warrior
from Troy, Michigan Date Reviewed: April 13, 2001
This is one hell of a bike for $699 plus tax. The avid's are the best mechanicals you can get. They are a lot better than pull brakes. This bike has so many good components I cant complain about anything on it. I have the black/gray frame which looks sweet. I cant wait to test it out once the trails dry out. If you are looking for a great bike at a decent price get this bike!!!
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Submitted by
Aaron Vern
a Cross Country Rider
from CA, but stuck in MS for now Date Reviewed: April 5, 2001
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$585.00
Purchased At:
Bethany Cycle and Fitness
Strengths:
Judy XC, frame, overall feel of the bike
Weaknesses:
CRANK CRANK CRANK CRANK!!!!! and the brakes take time to get right.
Bike Setup:
2000 stock bike (Formula Mechanical disk brakes)
Bottom Line:
The bike rides great and I have been very happy with it, except for the crank/derailer,and to a lesser extent the brakes. The brakes take a while to adjust, and they make some noise, but overall the stopping power is impressive. However, if I ride on a mucky wet trail, the pads tend to stick to the disk. Not enough to lock up the tire at a good speed, but can be a pain when I'm stopped. Now the crank is a total piece of crap. I originally had a problem during shifting with the crank sucking the chain under the chain rings (causing damage to the frame). After a few months of riding with this the chain ring is damaged and missing teethe on the outer and middle rings. After only a few months I have to buy a new crank. UNSAT !!!!! Otherwise a solid bike, and at 585.00, can't complain too much, but that crank does suck.
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Submitted by
Tim
a Weekend Warrior
from Ohio Date Reviewed: March 28, 2001
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$700.00
Purchased At:
LBS
Strengths:
Marzocchi fork, Avid mechanical disc brakes, Deore component group
Stock with Time ATAC clipless and Shimano XT cranks.
Bottom Line:
This bike is an excellent value. I did a lot of bike comparisons prior to purchase, and in my opinion there is not a better bike value in this price range. The Avid mechanical disc brakes made a big difference, and offset the cheaper crankset. I upgraded with Time clipless pedals and Shimano XT crankset. Not out of extreme neccessity, but personal preference and I found great deals on these. There is no other upgrade that I think the bike needs. I recommend this bike very highly.
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Submitted by
Gene Stankivitz
a Racer
from Chittenango Ny Date Reviewed: March 19, 2001
Favorite Trail:
Highland Forrest
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$800.00
Purchased At:
Bob's Bikes
Strengths:
Deore components, Judy Xc (Rock Shock), durable wheels, disk brakes
Weaknesses:
the petals suck like a hoover, and the stock seat blow.
Similar Products Used:
none
Bike Setup:
Wtb Velociraptor tires, bontrager seat, soon to have Lx crank and clipless petals.
Bottom Line:
This bike is a good deal for the $$$$. I was looking to spend a lot on a good bike with a raceworthy frame. The brakes are good but make some noise, but its easy to get used to if you need to stop in a hurry
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Submitted by
J.C.
a Weekend Warrior
from Grand Juntion, CO Date Reviewed: March 7, 2001
Favorite Trail:
anywhere on the monument
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$550.00
Purchased At:
Board and Buckle(great deal)
Strengths:
The Judys are nice the disk brakes are a whole lot better that the v-brakes on my last bike, and I love the deore shifters are sweet
Weaknesses:
The first time i rode this bike i went out in the desert and I went down a couple hills and then i hit a bump and my pedal fell off. I had to ride to my house a mile away with only one pedal, but i took it back to board and buckle and they put a highly upgraded crankset on it for free. The tires that come with the bike are ok, but tend to slip on turns.
Similar Products Used:
Giant Iguana, Giant Warp, Univega full suspension...
Bike Setup:
Store, michelin tires, upgraded crankset, cane creek suspension seat post
Bottom Line:
This is a great bike for the price, there is no question about that, if you have a great dealer that you buy it from you will have no problem maintaining it for cheap, I haven't had any problems with it since the pedal fell off, and have ridden it many times this month and the past month(deep snow in mountains before) Get this bike
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Submitted by
Matt
a Cross Country Rider
from Hellertown PA, USA Date Reviewed: January 29, 2001
Favorite Trail:
South Mountain and many other trails
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$720.00
Purchased At:
Saucon Valley Bikes
Strengths:
The Judy XC is a good shock for the bike. The shocks are adjustable "i had the travel changed". Disc brakes rock but could be better. The Shimano Deore shifting is great.
Weaknesses:
I brakes messed up within the first week do to breaking in "just had to have them tuned up" since then they have been fine. Seat is hard
Similar Products Used:
Custom Hardtail
Bike Setup:
Judy XC travel was change to 100mm and has a stiffer spring kit in it. Also i have a Sigma Sport Targa computer. The rest of the bike is stock
Bottom Line:
The Bottom line is the that bike is great for the $720.00 is spent on it. My advice to any one getting this bike that is going to do downhill or alot of offroading get the travel changed to 100mm. If your going to ride this bike around town keep it at 85mm or have it changed to 75mm. The components on the bike are great brakes could be better but they are good enough. But all-round the bike is great and I recommend the bike to any one.
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Submitted by
KO Kinloch
a
from Norristown PA Montgomery Date Reviewed: January 9, 2001
Favorite Trail:
State hospital
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$700.00
Purchased At:
Performance bike
Strengths:
Good sturdy fram with a solid rear drive train. handle well and put up with some tough riding. And the Judy XC is a great shock.
Weaknesses:
Crank, bottom bracket, break levers
Similar Products Used:
TREK and Specialized of same price range
Bike Setup:
LX crank and brake levers, Shimano B.B. BMX style pedals, Specialized body geo. saddle, Michelin tires. Straigh handle bar.
Bottom Line:
It is the best bike out there for its price. I could have gotten a similar package from trek or specialized but for much more money. It is a good bike out of the box. The brakes need breaking in but once they are they are very nice. I replaced the bottom bracket and crank set and it makes the bike so much better, The drive train is near perfect now. It handles wonderfuly and the Judy takes bumps like nothing.
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Submitted by
Morgan M.
a Cross Country Rider
from Fitzwilliam, NH, USA Date Reviewed: December 26, 2000
Favorite Trail:
my backyard(loam ST)
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$699.00
Purchased At:
Andy's Cycle Shop (never again)
Strengths:
The bike comes with some great parts spec'd, like the Judy fork, sweet brakes(which work great if tuned correctly), sturdy frame, good tires, and decent derailure.
Weaknesses:
The grips were the first thing I noticed, they came apart in my hands over teh course of a month. everything else is race worthy(raced 3 times with only the granny ring failing).
Similar Products Used:
none
Bike Setup:
Panaracer fireXC pro's, LX splined BB and Cranks, platform pedals, new grips(walmart mongoose BMX w/ flanges removed) and an old school bell - Bring! Bring!
Bottom Line:
Great bike for a beginner, or as an alternative to use when not racing. BB comes loose to often. 4 chilis for the BB thing and lack of performance from the cranks.
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Submitted by
matt
a Weekend Warrior
from avis pa usa Date Reviewed: December 15, 2000
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$650.00
Strengths:
the bike handles and rides excellent the formula disc brakes work great although alot of people complain about the brakes i think they need a better bike shop to set them up right the judy xc is great and i love the fact you can adjust them from 60 to 80 to 100 mm if you want a good mid price bike this is it
Weaknesses:
grip shifts should be standard from factory
Similar Products Used:
owned a specialized rockhopper a1 fs for five years and this bike blows it away
Bike Setup:
grip shifts,formula disc,suntour crank,lx rear,avilo front deraillers
Bottom Line:
you cannot find abetter priced bike at this level
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Submitted by
D Q
a Cross Country Rider
from Tokyo, Japan Date Reviewed: November 20, 2000
Favorite Trail:
anything
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$650.00
Purchased At:
Uchida Cycle Base
Strengths:
SRAM 7.0 has been reliable, Graphics (see previous review of this bike), Rock Shox XC
Weaknesses:
Koski seat (my ass is too bony-replaced it), Tektro brakes (replaced 'em), rigid seatpost (replaced it). The Shock and rims will get replaced after I get my $$$'s worth.
Similar Products Used:
GT, Secialized, Trek
Bike Setup:
SRAM 7.0, Tektro brakes..blah, blah, blah (see previous review)
Bottom Line:
Constantly had to work on the Tektro's, replaced 'em with Deore's, and not a hitch since. Replaced the Koski seat with a Specialized Body Geom. seat and susp. post...much better. I've gotten used to it now...it seemed a bit lighter than my GT. Purchased Specialized's self-sealing tubes...a must on the streets here. I'll replace the levers next...they've got a cheap feel to them. The shock will probably be the last thing to go, that and the ZAC 19's (formula hubs), they've held up okay so far. I don't abuse the bike, but I hop / jump curbs. and ride it 50+miles a week, everyday. 4 flamin' pepe's
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Submitted by
patrick
a Cross Country Rider
from cle elum ,washington Date Reviewed: November 7, 2000
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$685.00
Strengths:
great frame and fork,the disc brakes work well if set up right.worthy of upgrades, a great value for the money.
if you are looking for a durable trailbike that is reasonably price take a look at the rainier.I raced this bike stock a whole season and did not have one failure. the only problem is the crankset and stem. some people say the brakes do not work well.I think they work great in the northwest wet. they just need to be broken in and adjusted correctly. down load the service manual from formulas web site. overall 5 chillies
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Submitted by
Jason Schooley
a Weekend Warrior
from Stillwater, OK, USA Date Reviewed: October 9, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Slickrock? I dunno
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$750.00
Purchased At:
Play it Again Sports
Strengths:
Lightweight, solid, great avid mech. disc brakes, good feel on turns, marzocci shock is excellent. Awesome bike for the money, I tested quite a few.
Weaknesses:
shifting is sometimes difficult, possibly b/c i'm not timed w/ the bike yet
Similar Products Used:
My ranier is actually a 2001 model, but not much has changed in a year, I think.
Bike Setup:
Avid mech. disc brakes front and rear, deore shifters & gearsets, michelin tires, marzocci bomber Z5 front suspension, what else?
Bottom Line:
The Ranier SE is a great bike for $750. I have had no real problems yet. I can't wait to take it on some serious trails in Moab next spring. I have ridden Schwinn Moab 2's, Trek, Specialized, and Cannondales. I think Giant puts out a good product in the Ranier SE and I don't think I could have gotten this grade of a bike for what i paid from any of the above mentioned companies. I am an intermediate rider, i guess. I am not challenged much by Oklahoma trails and I trail ride at least once a week. I felt no need for a full suspension bike for what i do, but I am interested in trying downhilling in the near future, so i figured that disc brakes would be a necessity on my new bike. They work well and feel pretty cool having the only ranier SE at Oklahoma State University. In the past I have been pretty rough on bikes but the Ranier feels sturdy enough to handle my crashes and speed. Anyhow, it's a good bike. I got the yellow and black.
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Submitted by
D
a Cross Country Rider
from Tokyo, Japan Date Reviewed: October 4, 2000
Favorite Trail:
anything
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$670.00
Purchased At:
LBS-Japan
Strengths:
Cool graphics,Flames (Japanese writing),light weight, Rock Shox XC is okay.First bike with SRAM, not too bad.Agile.
Weaknesses:
6061 aluminum seems to pick up more vibration.The grip-shift should be called "slip-shift"(grips almost came off).Warranty on this bike is apparently only good in Japan
Similar Products Used:
Spec. Hardrock FS comp, GT Backwoods, Trek 8000
Bike Setup:
slicks, ZAC 19's, RS Jett XC, SRAM 7.0, Deore fr. Der.Tektro brakes, SR cranks, other misc. parts
Bottom Line:
This is GIANTs "Tokyo Messenger Bike", so it's not sold in the states. Perhaps they should make a New York version??? It's light and agile, and the SRAM seems to work for now.The grip part slips around, but I've fixed it so they don't come off.The Jett XC is okay for street and light off-road, but I'm planning several upgrades already, and the shock is one of them. The 6061 aluminum seems to transfer more vibration to the rider than my 7000 series GT. For a commuter bike, it's alright now; I'll update in 6 months or so.3.5 / maybe 4 chillis.
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Submitted by
Travis
a Cross Country Rider
from Atlanta, Georgia Date Reviewed: September 16, 2000
CODA Crank, LX front der, S545 Pedals, better saddle
Bottom Line:
Replace the saddle before your first ride. You should also upgrade the crank and Front Der. an LX is definitely an improvement here, so go nicer if you can.
Also check your disc brakes before the first ride. You should be able to see the pads evenly spaced away from the disc if you look at it just right. The squeaking will go away completely in about 6 to 8 rides and is more pronounced after a thorough cleaning.
My brakes were adjusted properly and seemed to function just fine in the showroom. However, my first ride I took some heavy drops and I found that the rear disc was loose on all screws but one. I guess it had been just finger tight and no one thought to finish the job. Anyway, It is fixed now and the brakes are so dependable I couldn't want any thing else.
The same first trip I bent a crank arm just slightly and on a later ride warped the outer chainring in a spill. I replaced them with a much lighter CODA crankset my LBS had sitting around. This ride is absolutely terriffic now uphil and down and the only thing I want to change is to lighten the front end a bit. 5 for the value and 4 for the Crank, front Der, and seat. What a terrible seat.
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Submitted by
Gregoria Pemlushki
a Weekend Warrior
from Columbia, MD USA Date Reviewed: September 10, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Patapsco, Avalon
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$625.00
Purchased At:
Eldersburg Bikes
Strengths:
Nice package, out of box. Tight ride, excellent handling. I definitely feel that I received a lot of bike for the buck.
Weaknesses:
I thought the brakes were not so good, they squealed quite a bit (although my shop was going to change the pads). Quite heavy (read 30 pounds). Paint job took some getting used to.
Similar Products Used:
Trek 6500
Bike Setup:
Changed to Hayes hydraulic disc brakes, Race Face cranks, Shimano U-42 bottom bracket, Time pedals
Bottom Line:
Absolutely love the bike. Next bike will have the same setup, but weigh 23 pounds (instead of the current 29). I was upset with the front shifter, but now that I have changed the crank arms, shifting is much smoother. Although I have only had the bike a short time, I have beaten it up pretty well - it can take it. Very pleased!
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Submitted by
Lucien Walsh
a Weekend Warrior
from Baltimore, MD Date Reviewed: August 17, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Schaeffer Farms, MD
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$685.00
Purchased At:
Horizon Cycles
Strengths:
Rear drivetrain, sturdy frame, fork, brakes
Weaknesses:
Front drivetrain, sturdy frame is a tad heavy, yoeman spec wheelset, riser bar and crank
Similar Products Used:
Specialized Rockhopper, Cannondale F400, Raliegh M80, my trusty old '93 Barracuda A2L
Bike Setup:
Bone stock except for wellgo pedals.
Bottom Line:
I fall on the pro side of this brake argument. My bike just came back from the shop to tighten some cables (still breaking in a little) and this thing was TIGHT. I locked the rear end up almost immediately. I respectfully suggest that those who think these are weak discs need to find a better shop to set the bike up properly. I don't have the finessed modulation of a hydraulic rig, but it is pretty close. I don't like riding V brake rigs as much now, and this is coming from someone who went into the buying process opposed to mech discs. FWIW, I had the bike on the roof while stopping at a different bike shop than the one I purchased the bike from. The head tech guy asked to take it for a spin; upon his return he commented that the brakes worked quite well for such a supposedly contraversial system. They do howl a bit at times, though...
NEways, I am enjoying the bike immensely. It encourages me to ride, and I know I have improved over the last 5 months, to the point where I kinda wish I had spent more money on a lighter bike. Oh well. Handles well without being twitchy. Front derailleur blows; I will upgrade this first, as it has left me sucking wind on a couple big climbs where I needed the first ring NOW, and it didn't downshift fast enough. Cranks are kind of crapola, but hey, the bike was really affordable. I may upgrade the riser to lighten up the front end. Getting air and maintaing a controlled landing is, at least for someone inexperienced in it, difficult given the bike's weight. I think the frame is worthy of upgrades, but I am not going to go crazy. Front derailleur, riser, cranks, probably in that order. Wheelsets are just too expensive. The M80 is a better value perhaps, but this bike fit me much better, FWIW.
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Mike Bowen
a Weekend Warrior
from Trenton, NJ Date Reviewed: August 13, 2000
Favorite Trail:
mercer county park[the only one ive really rode]
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
nice fitting bike,good componets[except for the brakes],overall sturdy feel on the trail, plus its got a cool paintjob.
Weaknesses:
brakes, brakes, brakes! they leave alot to be desired, especially the front.they simply do not slow the bike the way they should!plus its a completely un-reliable set-up!
Similar Products Used:
none, this is my first "not from a toy-store" bike
Bike Setup:
stock ,except for upgraded fork springs and grimica front hyd. brake kit.[these brakes should have been standard equiptment!]
Bottom Line:
if it was not for the brakes id be completely satisfied.in an attemt to get the stock brakes to stop, i changed pads 3 times,with no positive affects.one time i even snapped the front brake cable trying to get the bike slowed on a fast downhill![scary situation to say the least]. anybody considering this bike ought to save thier money and get the next cheapest model in the giant line-up.it comes with TROUBLE-FREE vee brakes [which cost far less and are a proven performer]plus you get all the good componets that come on rainer se.i feel that giant owes me about $200 ,thats how much i had to spend to get the hyd. set-up on the front,which in turn made my bike SAFE to ride aggresively.they [giant] should consider a national recall/reimburment program to help everyone that bought one of these bikes!right now i own a $950 rainer se,[bike+brake upgrade],that does not sit well with me at all.
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Submitted by
Trevor
a Cross Country Rider
from Boulder City, NV Date Reviewed: August 8, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Red Rock
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Value & the Judys...
Weaknesses:
Front derailer.
Similar Products Used:
Various-GT's, Cannondales, ...
Bike Setup:
Stock
Bottom Line:
I love the bike. I've heard lots of complaints about the brakes, but if you know how to tune a bike, they're fine. If you don't, go to a GOOD local shop. The Judys are sweet, they take a lickin and... The bike is an all around great value, I got mine for $599. I plan on upgrading the front derailer, but for an average person it will work. I fully recommend this bike to anyone. For a beginner, this is a great bike. For an intermediate rider, Also excellent because you can upgrade when needed. And for advanced, fi you don't have $ for something in the $1200-$2000 range, get this bike.
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Submitted by
gene
a
from wheatley heights,ny Date Reviewed: August 4, 2000
Favorite Trail:
any and all
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
same as my first review minus the brakes
Weaknesses:
the brakes and seat
Similar Products Used:
see first review
Bike Setup:
koobi seat,lx crank,xt front and rear derailleur and azonic stem
Bottom Line:
this past weekend at stillwell the rear brake died on me and the front was on life support.also my front tire went flat,all of this in the pouring rain. my lbs quickly fixed the bike and told me that if it happens again he would replace the breaks completely. now thats what i call service!(its deerpark bikes on deerpark avenue). i have to lower the initial rating because of the brakes but its still a great bike for the money. besides its not easy stopping 240lbs going downhill!
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GENE
a Weekend Warrior
from WHEATLEY HEIGHTS,NY USA Date Reviewed: July 21, 2000
STOCK BUT JUST ORDERED NEW CRANKS AND FRONT DERAILLUER
Bottom Line:
THE BIKE IS AWESOME! VALUE FOR MONEY CANT BE BEAT! I PAID $625 FOR MY BIKE. IM 6FT 2IN AND 240 LBS OF MUSCLE AND I RIDE EVERYWHERE. CITY STREETS, TRAILS NO PLACE IS OFF LIMITS . THIS BIKE TAKES THE PUNISHMENT WITHOUT PUNISHING YOUR POCKET!ANYONE WHO WANTS TO RIDE A GREAT BIKE WITHOUT TAKING OUT A SMALL LOAN SHOULD CHECKOUT THIS BIKE. IF YOU NEED TO FEEL TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY SPENDING MORE FOR LESS DONT BUY THIS BIKE.
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Reid Johnson
a Weekend Warrior
from East Grand Rapids,MI,USA Date Reviewed: July 18, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Cannonsburg Sander
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Great brakes, good shifters,great under pressure!!
Weaknesses:
frame could be lighter i mean its allux what do u expect!!
Similar Products Used:
Schwinn Moab 3
Bike Setup:
stock
Bottom Line:
the bike rules!! it has so so many great things about it. i have trouble with the rear disc brake going nuts when I go down a hill at high speeds. but other than that the shocks rule the Judy XC are great b/c they can be customized to 63mm, 80mm, and whopping 100mm. I found the conversion in a Mtn Bike mag.
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Steve
a Weekend Warrior
from Austin, TX, USA Date Reviewed: June 14, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Barton Creek Greenbelt
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
The Rockshox Judy XC (80mm) fork and disc brakes at a cool $700. Excellent Value.
Weaknesses:
Saddle is stiff, ask dealer if you can trade it in at puchase time.
Similar Products Used:
my only point of reference is a rigid mtn bike ('97 Specialized Hardrock)
Bike Setup:
stock with Wellgo 800 pedals and a Specialized Body Geometry saddle.
Bottom Line:
Great value for the Weekend Warrior.
When I went bike shopping, I was looking at the $1000 price point but then this $700 bike caught my eye. What impressed me was the fork and brakes. It has a good recreational fork (RS Judy XC), whereas all the other $600-$700 bikes used low end, undamped forks. The Judy XC's tend to be on the $800-$1200 bikes. Then there are the disk brakes! I saw no other brands under $900 that offered disk brakes. It was a nice bonus.
The mechanical disk brakes work great. Plenty of stopping power! It took some getting used to the light touch though. If you mash down on the lever, you can easily lock up the rear tire. If you yank on the front lever you might do a reverse wheelie (not recommended). Fortunately you adapt pretty quickly and I haven't yet gone over the bars. I've had no trouble with squealing from the front brakes but the rear one will howl at certain speeds. At high speed and very low speeds the noise disappears. My only explanation as to why the rear ones do but the front brakes don't, is that it's resonating with the frame. The fork must dampen out any vibrations. I was thinking about putting rim brakes on the back tire to get rid of the squeal. I figured since 80% of your stopping power is on the front tire, "downgrading" to a rim brake in the back wouldn't be that much of a loss (except in the coolness category). That's when I noticed that there is no way to put rear rim brakes on this bike. The mount is simply not on the frame. Gotta save those grams! So I'm stuck with the occasional squeal. Oh well, I'm the only rider in my group with disk brakes (and they spent a whole lot more than I did).
The shifters and levers work intuitively. The only real trouble I've had with the bike is with the front derailleur (Shimano Alvino). Out on the trail, it came out of adjustment and it wouldn't shift into the small chain ring. Back to the shop for my free tune up. This might have been due to the low end component or just cable stretch. Time will tell... Either way, it's a cheap upgrade. The rear derailleur (Shimano Delore) shifts like a champ, even under pedal pressure. The cranks work just fine. The stock pedals worked fine too but I bought clipless pedals (and shoes) after two months of riding. Not a lick of trouble with the rims, hubs, tires, or tubes. Everything spins true.
As for the rest of the bike, it's got an awesome paint job, rides nice, and it's durable. If you are a racer or weight freak, you are probably not looking at sub $1000 bikes anyway. On the other hand, if you are new to mountain biking or moving up from a rigid mountain bike, consider the Giant. Its got room to upgrade, sure, but you'll be able to afford it. The one item that's really expensive to upgrade is a fork, and this bike already got a great one.
This bike screams value. Look at it this way, if you have $1400 to put down on a new bike, you're gonna find nicer hardtails on the market, but I'm positive they won't be TWICE as good as the Giant Reiner SE. Simply put, the bike works.
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Alberto Leon
a Weekend Warrior
from San Juan, PR, USA Date Reviewed: June 1, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Susua Forest, PR
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
Great stiff frame for clydesdale riders, smooth angles, formula disc brakes.
Weaknesses:
Front transmission as well as the crankset and chainrings.
Bike Setup:
Titec bar ends, Saddle Selle Italia Mythos Trans Am, Race Face Crankset and Chainrings, and Time Atac Pedals.
Bottom Line:
This is a great bike for the price. The only problem I see is that the front transmission does not respond very well even in smooth terrain (don't even think about changing gears going uphill). The rear transmission works wonders no matter the conditions. The crankset and chainrings could be better and I just got tired of it and that's why I made the upgrade to Race Face which I highly recommend (I still haven't changed the front transmission but I recommend an LX or XT transmission). The saddle is extremely stiff and heavy, so if you can change it to a Selle Italia your buns will thank you for it. In my experience I am a heavy rider (I weigh 205 pounds) and I didn't want to buy a bike which would break and until now the bike has taken a beating and kept on ticking. I do feel that the bike is a bit heavy on the front so maybe you should upgrade to some light componentries on the front, i.e. carbon fiber bar or a light aluminum stem. All in all it is a great bike which you'll thank Giant for creating such a competitive bike at a decent price.
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Jesse
a Weekend Warrior
from Chicagoland Date Reviewed: May 8, 2000
Favorite Trail:
the ones that make me biff
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
frame, fork, price, looks
Weaknesses:
seat, the whole drivetrain (get what you pay for)
Bottom Line:
this is a follow-up on an earlier review. I've been beating on this thing quite a bit for the last month or so and I think I can now shed a bit more light on the strengths and weaknesses for anyone thinking about this model. I am still very happy with the Judy XC forks. I basically just ride around looking for ways to get airborne and/or break the bike and so far the judy has put up with all my crap, plus it makes going down stairs pretty easy. the rims could be lighter but they seem to be staying true despite the fact that I usually use stuff like curbs, stumps, and drop-offs to catch air when the oportunity presents itself. I guess I'm developing into a bit of a freerider, and so far the rims are keeping up. The riser bar is too wide for some of the singletrack I've been riding, but I wouldn't say it completely sucks. The shifters are okay, but my single biggest peeve about this bike is the deraileurs absotively-posilutely suck. If you ever need to shift through more than one gear in a big hurry and under any degree of power, you're screwed. I know you're supposed to back off the pedals a tad when you shift to 'save' your cogs... whatever. Sometimes you need another gear and you need it now and you can't afford to let up. Well not with this drivetrain! LoL. That's ok. I didn't expect XTR for $699. But I thought it desrved mention. The seat is hard as a frigging rock. I actually like the grips a lot, but I'm going to a flat bar so bye bye grips. The cranks are cheap, you can just tell, but they work. The pedals are cheap, but they work. The brakes still stop the bike extremely well, but you will find yourself fiddling with them a whole lot to get them working the way you want. They are sometimes very noisey, sometimes quiet... I dunno... probably upgrade them to hydro's... but they stop really well. http://www.formula-brake.it/support/index.htm "Formula are too cautious. 42.5mm or whatever they quote for end of housing to cable stop screw distance is too long. At that length there is not enough pre-tension in the cable for them to feel to bite well when you squeeze the lever - especially in the rear. Too little cable however and there's not enough brake arm travel. 33-37mm is probably a good length to use depending on how much cable your levers pull." (from another post on MD-1's) The reason I bought this bike was the frame. It seems very stiff, sturdy, light, and the angles are perfect. My problem is now I want FS. LoL. this bike will take you farther than anything else in its pricerange. it'll turn you into a full fledge MTB'er. Luckily, it's a great platform for upgrading (start with the cranks and the deraileurs... oh yeah and clipless pedals). Still 5 flaming chili induced turds for value, 4 for overall since the drivetrain is a little sorry.
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Submitted by
Michael McRorey
a Weekend Warrior
from Houston, TX, USA Date Reviewed: April 27, 2000
Favorite Trail:
ho chi minh
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
disc breaks...rapid fire gear shifts...
Weaknesses:
none
Bike Setup:
stock
Bottom Line:
This was my first decent bike compared to my last Wal-Mart $89 special. I gave it one helluva ride. I am a big guy @ 6'4" 260 lbs. I took this bike through hell and back and it withstood everything. Except for the seat. I bent the seat back a little bit. I guess they make them seats for lightweight midgets ot something. Whenever I wanted to stop I stopped. I was the envy of our group with the disc brakes. I can't wait until I get better and opt for an upgrade. until then, get outa my way.
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Jeff
a Weekend Warrior
from Oregon Date Reviewed: April 20, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Any trail that Rails!
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
Judy XC is very nice, Disk brakes work really good, Deore shifter is smooth, and all just for 700 bucks "NICE"!
Weaknesses:
Its perfect....All my motorcross buddies are making fun of me for shredding the trails on a " sissy bicycle."
Similar Products Used:
First sexy MTB I have ever owned. And for what I have seen this is a cheap bike also.
Bike Setup:
Stock
Bottom Line:
This bike kicks ass! I set out to find something that I could ride when I could not get to the MX track on a regular basis, so I don't develop a gut. I looked at the GT backwoods, but this Giant has more and cost less. All the reviews I read on these disk brakes made me a little nervous, how they squeak, break, and don't have any stopping power. WELL..., I think all those other people must of been smoking crack or something. These brakes are are excellent. They will toss you over the bars if you are not careful and they don't squeak. My truck's brakes make more noise than those formulas do. I love this bike, its just "NICE." I say 5 Flamin'Chilis!
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Tom
a Weekend Warrior
from Arlington, VA USA Date Reviewed: April 17, 2000
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
Rock Shox Judy XC (Like this better than the Manatou on my Trek), Brakes (Yes, the brakes! These babys stop you on a dime, wet or dry. Oh, as for sqeaking problems...yeah they do squeak but only when wet.
Weaknesses:
Could have better cranks, gearing, seat (it's as hard as a rock and I thought Trek's was bad), and clipless pedals would be nice.
Similar Products Used:
'97 Trek 7000 (owned). Tested rode: Trek 7000 and 6500, Gary Fisher Big Sur and Hoo Koo E Koo, Canondale F500
Bottom Line:
I just picked up this bike recently to replace my stolen Trek 7000 ('97). I really believe you can't beat this bike for the money. Kudos to GIANT!!!
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Jesse
a Weekend Warrior
from Chicagoland Date Reviewed: April 15, 2000
Favorite Trail:
the ones that make me biff
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
Judy XC, brakes (I know, I know, but they seem to be working well for me), geometry
Weaknesses:
DRIVETRAIN!!!! (but hey it was $699, what do you want??)
Similar Products Used:
pieces of crap
Bike Setup:
stock with bar ends
Bottom Line:
Last time I was on a mountain bike, seeing one with front shocks was a big deal, soooo... I guess I'm a born again newbie. Most of my 'riding' has been on MX bikes with motors and 13 inches of travel. My main concern when I set out for a MTB was the feel/geometry and not so much the actual weight, but that it 'felt light'. This bike has some component shortcomings like any $699 bike will but ergonomically it rocks and the Judy XC still trips me out (and saves my upper body). I had reservations about the mechanical disks based on my research but so far the only way I can get em to make noise is by intentionally feathering them to make the noise, any normal braking I do doesn't cause it... so no offense but all you mech disk detractors are just way too picky! Not to mention, when I squeeze the lever... the bike stops... there's a bottom line for ya' (wet or dry). Basically for a weekend warrior type that likes to try and ride trails he probably shouldn't (biff!)... and doesn't have a $2000 to drop on a bike, I think this is a decent steed. Cranks and shifters are as good as gone though (I mean c'mon Giant, Alivio I can understand.. sort of... but Suntour cranks??? ugh).
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Submitted by
Steve Ott
a Weekend Warrior
from Oviedo, FL USA Date Reviewed: March 15, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Snowhill road
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Judy XC does an admirable job taking the edge off. The stiff frame allows you to get off the saddle and hammer your way down the trail without bouncing. The Formula disks are great stoppers and sqeak less than earlier versions. A lot of bike for the money.
Weaknesses:
At this price its hard to call anything a weakness, but it needs bar ends, and a few other upgrades to get the weight down. Cranks will be my first upgrade.
Similar Products Used:
Trek 6000, Giant Iguana
Bottom Line:
You will be hard pressed to find a better bike in this price range. The beginer/intermediate rider will have everything necessary with this bike to take their riding to the next level. A great sub $1,000 option for those who are developing a passion for Mountain biking. This bike will wet your appetite for more trail time and eventually more bike. Cudos to Giant for giving more for less.
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