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Submitted by
Don Duende
a Cross Country Rider
from Don.Duende@yahoo.com
Date Reviewed: October 19, 2007 | | Favorite Trail: | Galena Creek | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Purchased At: | Private Party | | Strengths: | Worked great for the past 8 years or so. Never had to pump it up or service it until the last two months. Truly was a set and forget product. Durable, I rode at least three times a week and trails around here are rocky. | | Weaknesses: | After I hung the buike upside down by the rims in the garage 2 months ago, the shock will hold pressure for only a few days. Older product, so it must be serviced at Cane Creek, if they still have parts for a rebuild. I don't know if they still support the product. | | Similar Products Used: | Fox RP3, Cane Creek AD-8 | | Bike Setup: | Schwinn s[9six]40 | | Bottom Line: | Cane Creek makes a solid, reliable product. I think the internals or seals have just worn out. As much as I have rode it and abused it, there has been virtually no maintenance over all these years. I will call Cane Creek to see if they will rebuild or replace seals at a reasonable cost. This shock is on my beater bike, so there is little reason to spend big bucks to upgrade. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
shawn
a
from gville sc
Date Reviewed: July 3, 2007 | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Strengths: | very reliable, easy to adjust, light weight, simple design | | Similar Products Used: | fox | | Bottom Line: | this is a follow up review. i have owned this shock for 6 years now and have never once had a problem. i rebuilt it once about 3 years ago because i felt sorry for it, not because it needed it. i have always used a lizard skin shock boot, so the shock looks brand new still. bottom line- this shock works great, doesn't leak, is easy to work on if you want to work on it and the company is extremely easy to work with and very helpful if you have any questions about anything. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Don
a Cross Country Rider
from Lafayette,CA USA
Date Reviewed: March 14, 2007 | | Favorite Trail: | flume | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Price Paid: |
$240.00 | | Purchased At: | cailfornia pedaller | | Strengths: | Never seems to need air even after substantial abuse | | Weaknesses: | LBS gets no rev for servicing these shocks. | | Similar Products Used: | SID race | | Bike Setup: | GF Sugar 1, XT, BB7s, Mavic X717...26.5 Lbs of dirty love | | Bottom Line: | This is a follow up from years ago...if you have one..you'll find that it will outlast your frame and components. Mine has outlived the bike and is awaiting another. Some old shocks never die they just fade away because new frame set-ups don't accept them. Ride ON. It will work on my Sugar 1 with custom bushings.....my SID Race feels good with Neg pressure, buthe AD 10 is just better. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Earl Teigrob
a Cross Country Rider
from Dallas, TX
Date Reviewed: July 15, 2006 | | Favorite Trail: | Grapevine Trail | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Price Paid: |
$100.00 | | Strengths: | Very reliable, does not leak air at all. I have this shock installed on 2 bikes and I only adjust the air once a season. Takes big drops great. All I could ask for in a rear shock. Found them online for a deal. I do mostly cross country with small drops, jumps and trees in my path. Go out twice a week for 6 months of the year. | | Weaknesses: | none but had different width then my stock fox float r so I needed to shave the spacers when I installed it. | | Similar Products Used: | None | | Bike Setup: | Giant NRS3 customized this rear shock and with Marzocchi MX Comp Air. Great combo and I can concentrate on skills, not equipment. | | Bottom Line: | Highly Recommended. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Garry Connolly
a Weekend Warrior
from M'cr Emgland
Date Reviewed: April 16, 2006 | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Price Paid: |
$300.00 | | Purchased At: | Buxton Cycles | | Strengths: | Fits the Trek Y5 - much better than the Stock shox ... | | Weaknesses: | Leaks , Won't Hold Air - Pretty concerned as not sure what shock I can replace it with. | | Bike Setup: | Trek Y5 - Judy Long Travel XLC , and AD10 | | Bottom Line: | Can anyone advise me on good replacement shox for my Trek Y5
As the AD10 had to be fitted unside down | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Lamar Hall
a Cross Country Rider
from Littleton, Co
Date Reviewed: September 30, 2005 | | Favorite Trail: | three sisters | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Purchased At: | Budget Bicycles | | Strengths: | Maintance Free. Did not touch this shock other than to set my rebound and compression. After that I've been punishing it for five years. | | Weaknesses: | After 5 years it finally gave out. Replace seals on shock but to no avail it just wont hold psi anymore. | | Bike Setup: | 2000 Gary Fisher Sugar 2 | | Bottom Line: | Would have no problem recommending this shock. However, there are newer shocks out there with a bit more advancements if one is willing to spend the cash. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Frank Fletcher
a Cross Country Rider
from Whistler, BC, Canada
Date Reviewed: August 24, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | Riverside & Crater Rim | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$250.00 | | Purchased At: | Fanatyco | | Strengths: | Light Weight, good dampening, nice action | | Weaknesses: | I first got this shock with my Pyclewerks Wildhare and the shock failed within a couple of months with a hairline fracture in the main air shell. Local bike company sent back to Cane Creek who sent a new replacement within about a month. The new shock failed in gentle terrain on the second ride. I bought a new Fox Air and never looked back | | Similar Products Used: | Fox Air, Fox Vanilla, other Cane Creek products | | Bike Setup: | Pyclewerks Wildhare, 16.5, all Ti pivots, Ti BB, Chris King humbs w/ti axles, Mavic 217 rims, all other XT running components. | | Bottom Line: | Neither the original, not the replacement lasted long enough to ever get dailed in. The both times the failures occured at the top of long, long climbs while wheeling some nice level single track before decending. Totally failed I had to walk the bike down twice for fear of damaging frame with a totally limp shock. That was enough for me. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
David Giessel
a Cross Country Rider
from Anchorage, Alaska, USA
Date Reviewed: June 18, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | Llama Trail/Rabbit Lake Trail | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Price Paid: |
$200.00 | | Purchased At: | The Motorcycle Shop | | Strengths: | Never leaks air
Cake to lube/rebuild (no tools required)
Widely tunable
Upgradable to AD-12
Very light | | Weaknesses: | Intrinsic properties of air damping (beneficial in many cases) make tuning difficult if you treat it like an air/oil shock. | | Similar Products Used: | Fox Vanilla
Fox Alps 4, 5, 5R
Fox Float, Float R, Float RC
Noleen NR2, Smart Shock
| | Bike Setup: | Klein Mantra frameset (97 comp frame), Full XTR (M950), King/517 wheels, RS Psylo SL | | Bottom Line: | Purchased July 2000. First maintenance came in April 2004. Shock never lost air between those dates (I changed the air pressure anually as I grew a good deal during those years). For some perspective on that... From 1997 to 2000 I went through 3 Vanilla coil shocks and 2 Alps air shocks. Also important to note is that I was much lighter from 1997 to 2000 than from 2000 to 2004.
The maintenance done in April 2004 consisted of an AD-12 conversion kit Cane Creek offers for 40 dollars (complete with seals, piston, and air chamber disc).
Pictures of the conversion here:
http://homepage.mac.com/dgiessel/.Pictures/misc/AD10/
The performance of the shock over this 3.5 year period was nothing short of superb. I had tried Alps 4, 5, 5R, and Vanilla coil shocks on my Mantra and they were either too sticky (Alps) or totally unreliable (Vanilla). The 5R felt OK, but the Cane Creek was much better. I ran the stock chamber volume over this period (I have since gone to the most progressive setting allowing me to run lower pressures while still avoiding bottoming).
Some things to note about tuning the shock:
The compression damping is more of a blow off valve than anything else...once the pressure in the main chamber reaches a certain value...air blows by the compression valve into the secondary chamber...the compression adjuster basically sets this threshold (it really doesn't behave as a oil compression adjuster does as with an oil shock, the damping medium is uncompressable and always flows by the piston). I leave mine all the way open and tune the compression response with air volume and pressure.
Rebound speed is directly proportional to the amount of air blown into the secondary chamber during compression stroke. If you set the compression "damping" really stiff...air won't pass into the secondary chamber during the compression stroke, so rebound (no matter how soft you set it) will be very bouncy (the valve won't have any air to "stop" from going back into the main chamber). Leaving the compression damping open allows air pressures in both chambers to equalize on compression allowing the rebouind valving to trap more air in the secondary chamber (letting it bleed back into the primary chamber however quickly you desire). Bigger hits blow more air into the secondary chamber...so rebound is very slow. Smaller hits don't blow very much (in some cases zero) air into the secondary chamber...so rebound is quick. This is what Cane Creek means by "speed sensitive valving" and it is a very nice property of air damping (one must understand that the valving is applying damping to the spring medium to tune the shock properly however).
This shock is a dream if you put Slick Honey on it once a week (as I have done since the AD-12 conversion)...and if you decide to go 3.5 years without touching it...it will feel pretty damn good anyway.
Here are some additional pictures of how dead simple the maintenance is:
http://homepage.mac.com/dgiessel/.Pictures/misc/AD12/ | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Bryon
a Cross Country Rider
from Indiana
Date Reviewed: December 10, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Purchased At: | stock setup on sugar 2 | | Strengths: | Absolutely bombproof so far. Very low maintenance. Does not leak air AT ALL! I did not keep up with the shock servicing schedule (much less frequent than recommended). Despite this the shock has performed well and held up better than my Rock Shox fork. I kept it lubed and checked the air pressure frequnetly but rarely had to add air. | | Weaknesses: | None so far. | | Similar Products Used: | none | | Bike Setup: | Fisher Sugar 2 with Rock Shox fork | | Bottom Line: | Maybe not as trick looking as other shocks but performs well and as I said before is bombproof! Unless you want to pay too much for a shock that performs the same you can't go wrong. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Ryan D
a Cross Country Rider
from Bethany, Oklahoma USA
Date Reviewed: November 16, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Roman Nose | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Purchased At: | ebay | | Strengths: | Soaks up almost everything everything. Easy to adjust to your weight. Cane Creek provides online owners manuals at their website. Good looks. | | Weaknesses: | First 3-5mm of travel is very loose...almost a dead spot on mine. If I'm riding over small stuff like gravel, rocks etc it moves a couple of mm's and rebounds and hits. It's not annoying or loud or anything...I'm just wondering if it's supposed to do that. | | Similar Products Used: | Fox Vanilla | | Bike Setup: | Ellsworth Isis, Marzocchi MX PRO ETA, Bontrager Race Disc, Avid mechanicals, LX/XT/XTR, IRC Trailbears | | Bottom Line: | I love this shock. Like I said, mine has a little bit of dead space if you're riding around in a gravel parking lot or something. Other than that this shock is amazing. Soaks up all the big stuff. Don't notice roots or rocks anymore. After riding this I will never go back to a Fox. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Rich
a
from San Diego
Date Reviewed: June 2, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Race Track | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Purchased At: | Mission Cyclery | | Strengths: | Does what it's supposed to do. Never have to maintain/pump it up--keeps its air. | | Weaknesses: | None. Well, not as responsive to small bumps as I'd like, but that's also due to Sugar's XC racer-boy design. | | Similar Products Used: | None. First f/s bike. | | Bike Setup: | 01 Sugar 3 w/ XT and SRAM. | | Bottom Line: | The only reason I take a pump to this shock is to see if it leaked. 99.9% of the time it's just as I left it. As for maintenance, just wipe with a silicone rag and ride some more! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Mauro
a Cross Country Rider
from Switzerland
Date Reviewed: May 9, 2002 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$280.00 | | Purchased At: | local shop (imported) | | Strengths: | Do I have to say it again? Plush, adjustable, easy maintenance and easy to tune! | | Weaknesses: | a little pression loss (maybe my fault when pumping) | | Similar Products Used: | RockShox, Fox | | Bike Setup: | GT LTS-1, Bomber Z1, lot of Race Face, CrossMax .... | | Bottom Line: | Hard deal to find a shock replacement for this frame! A friend machined (CNC) the adapter for me for 65$. CaneCreek has a 135mm lenght with 26mm travel wich match perfectly the suspention geometry. The result is great after setup, and it is 250g less than the RS coil shock. From the factory setup the air volume must be reduced to make it more progressive and avoid the bottom up. In one word: GREAT ! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Kevin W
a Cross Country Rider
from Colorado Springs, Co
Date Reviewed: April 28, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | Monarch Crest | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Purchased At: | Colorado Cyclist | | Strengths: | Plush, adjustable, serviceable, so simple. | | Weaknesses: | none that I have found | | Similar Products Used: | none | | Bike Setup: | Tomac 78 Special, Manitou X-vert,XT drivetrain, Hayes hydraulics, Dave's speed dream wheels(King hubs) | | Bottom Line: | This shock has performed flawlessly for me. Had it a year, put 4000 miles on it. Zero maintenance. Didn't leak a bit of air!!!It finally got sticky after a year(duh!!) so I finally took it apart and greased it. It was sooo simple. What a difference a little grease makes!(Big duhhh)Took it apart again and changed the volume adjuster plate. Again, real simple. The thing is so smooth I have to periodicaly look down to make sure it's still there! I wanted a Fox for the lock-out. I commute by bike. I'm so glad I got a Cane. My friends Fox's have leaked right off the floor. In the biginning I pumped up my shock to make it stiff on the pavement. Now I don't even bother. That is because of my suspension though. No bob on climbs. Don't make a purchasing decission based on lock-out.(unless you are looking at a mono-pivot that climbs like a pogo stick. Then you need to look at a different bike.)While I have't rode a Fox, I truly feel I got the better shock. A rebuild kit costs $10 bucks (10 O-rings and grease) and takes 30 to 45 minutes. Very plush, real good dampening, simple as crap to work on. Get one! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
simon lemieux
a Cross Country Rider
from montreal, quebec, canada
Date Reviewed: April 6, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | St-francois | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Purchased At: | Bicyclette montreal-nord | | Strengths: | Light, Heavy Duty, perfect performance... | | Weaknesses: | None yet!!! | | Similar Products Used: | Many similar but nothing that tops it ;-) | | Bike Setup: | Gary Fisher, Sugar 2... (ad-10 came with the bike) | | Bottom Line: | WoW! I'ts incredible. Put less pressure if you like more smoth suspension. Put more pressure if you like stif suspension. This is just the best all around rear shock ever ;-)
I like my front and rear suspension very "stif"/"hard" and this one get me what i whant! The sugar 2 bike is a perfect climber. But the cane creek ad-10 realy have to do with that... | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Craven Moorhead
a Downhiller
from W.Seattle Wa
Date Reviewed: March 30, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | Any brain out bomb run | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$100.00 | | Strengths: | Adjustability, adjustability, adjustability and ease of maintenance | | Weaknesses: | none | | Similar Products Used: | stock shock | | Bike Setup: | setup to eat boulders and sh*t sand | | Bottom Line: | Buy one! It's like riding on air. Both literally and figuratively. Look around before you buy though because you probably won't have to pay full price. Hey, even if some guy is selling it out of the back of his van along with some home speakers, just get the shock! Cane Creek can supply you with the end fittings to make it fit just about any rear suspension bike so, don't worry if it'll work on your bike. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Kurt
a Cross Country Rider
from Alpharetta , ga
Date Reviewed: March 26, 2002 | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Purchased At: | Peachtree bikes | | Strengths: | Good out of the box performance . Set the rebound and adjust your ride with air pressure . | | Weaknesses: | Took 2 weeks to get a seal kit , even though their web site said it was in stock . when I finally called them they did admit they dropped the ball . Adjustment screws need to have the rust cleaned off of them now and then . | | Similar Products Used: | none | | Bike Setup: | stock part on my sugar 2 sugar 2 | | Bottom Line: | 90% of the time it's set it and forget it . I wish the sdjustment screws were easier to adjust . I have no reason to change to anything else . The rave reviews on their customer service left me surprised when I had such poor service . I had one email go unanswered and only got my order shipped when I called them . May have been a fluke but it was my fluke . | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
michael
a Cross Country Rider
from Farmington, NM, USA
Date Reviewed: March 17, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | Road apple | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Purchased At: | came on bike | | Strengths: | Soaks up every thing, the small and big hits and vibrations
Doesn't bottom out.
Easily adjustible.
Light weight.
Smooth.
Pump included.
Do a complete overhaul in 20 min. | | Weaknesses: | none | | Bike Setup: | Gary fisher Sugar 2, 2.25 in. of travel | | Bottom Line: | If you want high performance, a smooth ride, light weight, and service simple shock. This is the one for you. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
jeff
a Cross Country Rider
from atlantic beach, FL
Date Reviewed: January 27, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | briar patch | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Strengths: | This is a good product. I've got approx 3000 miles of very trying usage on this shock in a sand, grit, salt air environment. No problems. It just works. Ride quality has not diminished. Just an occassional application of M-prep to the outer slide surface for stiction reduction & go riding for hours.
| | Weaknesses: | none | | Bike Setup: | The only stock part remainng on my Sugar.
| | Bottom Line: | Fine prouct with no weaknesses. This thing is a winner. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Ed Norris
a Cross Country Rider
from Long Island, NY USA
Date Reviewed: November 30, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | twisty ones w/ bumps | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$100.00 | | Purchased At: | used, at auction | | Strengths: | Two things: The whole shock. The Service/support
The shock is an elegantly engineered product with widely tunable, independent adjustments for Overall stiffness, compression damping, rebound damping, and progressiveness, WITHOUT CHANGING PARTS.
Has the plush ride of a high-end progressive spring coil, WITHOUT ANY DISCERNABLE "TOP-OUT" FEELING. That’s due to the "zero-sticktion" design- at rest, you're actually hovering between two opposed air-springs, defeating sticktion and top-out in one brilliant structure. Tiny bumps get spring 'n return with no damping or detectable friction (Your frame pivots will make a very detectable difference when you lube 'em!). Medium and large bumps just get "eaten up" by the shock, the rebound damping completely eliminates bounce, you can put just a tiny bid of compression damping to stop pedal bob, for a super plush ride. Technical maniacs can pump it up, dial in the damping and have a stiff, boulder-eater that performs like a hard tail. All wearing surfaces are included in the $10 rebuild kit, so it can live forever.
The service: These guys still think of themselves as "small" - I know cause when I told the CS rep I was starting to actually feel guilty for all the help, parts (100% my fault - reading the simple, one-page direx is a good idea before slapping on a wrench and twisting away!), customizing tips, upgrade offers etc.- he said so. So they're motivated as hell to make anybody's troubles vanish. And with the product as good as it is, that's not hard to do. Now support is helping me to modify the length and throw of a used one to fit my frame. They'll make shocks any length - they'll upgrade your existing shock, throw out the old one, and build one to your spec, for a fair price.
| | Weaknesses: | Ha! Haven't even met anyone who's owned one w/out loving it. | | Similar Products Used: | Fox vaanilla | | Bike Setup: | $1500 mongoose $599 noleen crosslink elt, xt/xtr everything | | Bottom Line: | I bought a used one, and rebuilt it, even though it worked impressively after a 2 year furlough - - it's slicker'n snail snot now. Like your rear tire's on glass while you're front's on a trail. So I bought another. Same story. I hear the ad 12 is "even smoother" I don't know why they bothered.
Disclaimer: I am not now nor have I ever been an employee, dealer, friend or relative of same, etc etc of Cane Creek. I simply, from the point of view of a rider and an engineer, and a consumer, stand in awe of this product and company. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
mike miller
a Cross Country Rider
from grand junction CO
Date Reviewed: November 22, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | horse thief bench | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$24.00 | | Purchased At: | cambria | | Strengths: | light | | Weaknesses: | no reaction from adjustments at all | | Similar Products Used: | rst 22, dnm | | Bike Setup: | univega 700 fs manitou sx lt forks xt components | | Bottom Line: | not a good shock. no responce from cane creek customer service.no won will help.i would be happy if they just gave my money back. this shock slams back with no compresion or rebound adjustments. it did not fit very well.if anyone would like to me my home phone is 970-523-0986 | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
James
a Cross Country Rider
from Texas
Date Reviewed: October 31, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | Hancock Pass, CO | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Price Paid: |
$250.00 | | Purchased At: | Cane Creek | | Bike Setup: | Y-22, full XTR, Mars1... | | Bottom Line: | This is the best shock out there(excluding the AD-12). Period. It's the lightest, most reponsive, durable, rear shock I've come across. It's much more durable than Fox's shocks. I had a Fox and it was heavier, less adjustable, and eventually it blew a seal on small stuff. Never buy Fox, unless Cane Creek goes under and maybe RockShox also! Go Cane Creek, you've made me a believer in all of your products and it started w/ this shock. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Darius Teter
a Weekend Warrior
from Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia
Date Reviewed: October 22, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | Terelj to Gachuurt | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Purchased At: | Came with bike | | Strengths: | Light, easy to service, highly adjustable, plush, CUSTOMER SERVICE | | Weaknesses: | Seals, but that is normal over time | | Similar Products Used: | Stratos AR-1, Romic T2 | | Bike Setup: | Sugar 2 almost stock setup | | Bottom Line: | Yes the shock is light and adjustable and easy to service. But what really impresses me is the customer service. Last year in the Philippines the endless rainy season resulted in heavy rusting og the compression and rebound adjuster screws. I sent an e-mail to Cane Creek asking if this was a problem and without hesitating they sent two new ones. Now I live in Mongolia and last week the seals finally gave up the fight. I sent an e-mail to Cane Creek asking if they could direct me to an online retailer that sold the seal replacement kit and 3mm spanner tool. Once again I got a message back saying the parts were being sent to me in Mongolia by UPS priority mail, no charge, no questions asked. Now folks, please understand, CUSTOMER SERVICE JUST DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT. I'll be sticking with their products forever. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Carl
a Cross Country Rider
from Durango, CO
Date Reviewed: October 18, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | the one I ride tomorrow | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$215.00 | | Purchased At: | Speedgoat | | Strengths: | Adjustbility, Durability, Plushness, Customer Service, 200g!, Looks, Self-Serviced | | Weaknesses: | mmmm, nope. | | Similar Products Used: | Fox Vanilla coil-over | | Bike Setup: | '97 Trek Y-11, '99 Atom Bomb | | Bottom Line: | I've been using this shock for a year, and it's been a dream compared to the boingy stock vanilla coil-over that came on the bike. I like tinkering with the thing, and it's always been reliable and provided a great ride. The trek y is obviously not a bob-free design, but with this shock adjusted just right and a nice even pedal stroke, I'm sitting pretty on any trail in Durango. Great stuff.
A few months ago it developed a weird sound at the end of the rebound, like it was topping out or something. I emailed cane creek and a new seal kit was in my mailbox a few days later. Customer Service Kudos. I took the thing apart myself, replaced the seals, and slapped it back together. It took me about two hours since it was the first time and I was being careful, but it'll probably take less than an hour next time. I put it back on my bike, and it rode as well as the first day I rode it. Now that's one classy shock. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Manimal
a Cross Country Rider
from Seattle WA
Date Reviewed: September 12, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | Tiger Mtn or SnoQ | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$100.00 | | Purchased At: | Ebay auction | | Strengths: | The shock has infinite adjustability. A coilover would've required spring changes but,you jst chg air pressure.The comp/reb adjustmnts are more than most other shocks also.One shock feature also is the negative air chamber volume which changes the shock from progressive to linear springing.Most bikes(including motorcycles)hv to achieve this with a progressive shock link.Mechanical shock links are heavy and pressurized air is light.Light as air. | | Weaknesses: | Comp/Rebound adjustments could be easier to turn.The fitment on my Giant Warp DS1 just doesn't leave any clearance for your fingers or a regular allen wrench(I'll cut it shorter).I'd figure that all of the adjustments(scraeder valve air fill and comp/rebound adj screws)should be on the sides instead bcz all bikes have easy side access where their shocks mount.Laterally,the frame or swingarm will always be in the way on any bike. | | Similar Products Used: | Stock Giant shock adjustable for preload and rebound only | | Bike Setup: | Judy XC Hydracoil fork at mid travel adjustment (80mm) filled with Golden Spectro 'very light' cartridge fork oil -Shimano XT hydraulic disc brakes with a right/front MX setup-Coda Cranks-shorty DH billet aluminum stem with flat bars-Specialized BodyGeometry seat-Std Shimano DEORE driveline-Std WTB Tyrannoraptor 2.25X26 tires running abt 40psi front and 55psi rear | | Bottom Line: | It's responsiveness to the smallest bumps is absolutely incredible.I nvr thought any shock could be so complaint to small stuff while retaining the ability to take hard hits?Even at higher air pressures in the shock.They recommend 10psi over your bodyweight but I went with 40psi over and it still floated over bumps like buttah-I don't think I've got the negative air volume chamber where I want it bcz I think the shock reacts TOO progressively (springing firms up too much near full travel) to bumps when it gets past mid stroke but that can be adjusted out to preference very easily, even though it's an internal adjustment.Maybe a touch less progressive springing should sort it out.I was shocked how easily it was to break this shock down for self service.The internal adjustments to the negative air chamber as well as seal changes can be done by a retarded monkey without expensive special tools.That simplicity is a BIG plus for me.Getting the mounting bushings to make the shock fit my Giant(I got one 5mm longer at 170mm).They got it to me in a week but they charged me over 2X the $8 that they initially quoted on the phone order.I can't comment on their customer service regarding setup bcz I feel qualified to do it myself(I'm close with my settings w/in the first 3 rides bcz it's so simple to adjust)but they could do better when quoting parts prices.Shock pumps can be had anywhere for $30 so you can adjust the air-spring or for disassembly.My minor criticisms are only personal and not A-typical for every buyer.The absolute best shock for ANY D-Y-I kinda rider,like me.Ease of service or adjustments will be lost on the cream puff that always brings their bikes in for any service.All I have to say is WHERE CAN I GET AN AD-12 FOR $100??Have to give er straight five flamin chilis bcz the purchase price more than made up for everything else. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Stan
a Cross Country Rider
from NY
Date Reviewed: August 25, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | rocks | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$100.00 | | Purchased At: | friend | | Strengths: | Shock is the best, I will never go back to a coil again. | | Weaknesses: | None | | Similar Products Used: | Fastrax | | Bike Setup: | Mongoose Pro G3 | | Bottom Line: | Cane Creek was extremely helpful to retrofitting the shock to my bike. Wow what a difference, it really sucks up the bumps. The only thing I had to do is fine tune the travel and rebound for my bike. No need for a lockout on pavement, no po-go here. Hats off to Cane Creek. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Peter
a Cross Country Rider
from Deerfield, IL, USA
Date Reviewed: July 10, 2001 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Strengths: | Light weight. Very good manufacturing and design. The best customer service I have ever encountered for anything. | | Weaknesses: | All of the magazines seem to pump up RockShox and Fox products. I suspect this is directly related to advertising revenue. Lack of lockout may upset some riders.
To them, I say, go back to your hardtail. You're not losing as much pedal effort as you think if you have correctly tuned the air volume of the compression chamber to be progressive in nature. | | Similar Products Used: | RockShox SID. | | Bike Setup: | Gary Fisher Sugar-2. | | Bottom Line: | Everything you've read in these reviews is true. If you can resist the temptation of getting sucked up into the RockShox and Fox hype, buy the CaneCreek. Take the time to correctly tune the compression chamber air volume, air pressure, compression and rebound adjustment screws. You'll get out of the product what you put into it form a tuning aspect. Call the CaneCreek Technical Department for some good starting points. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
mark lang
a Downhiller
from vancouver, bc, canada
Date Reviewed: July 9, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | Drop o' Death | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Strengths: | Light and smooth | | Weaknesses: | None | | Similar Products Used: | Rock Shox super delux | | Bike Setup: | Rocky Mountain Speed T.O. Race Face everything. Even the seat is a Race Face Ti Gel. (not retail) | | Bottom Line: | I blew my AD-8 shock in half when riding at high altitude. I couldn't believe it. I got off the bike when it suddenly exploded sending shrapnel all over the place. I had NAM flashbacks and I wasn't even there.
Best part, Cane Creek sent me a replacement AD-10 no charge in less than two weeks with no questions asked. This type of service can't be beat and I'll swear by any company with these types of practices unlike Rock Shox who are notorious for bad service.
Cane Creek rocks!
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Submitted by
Sal
a Cross Country Rider
from San Francisco, California
Date Reviewed: May 26, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | Miwok | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Strengths: | -light
-easily adjustable
-smooth (for an air shock)
-great in all conditions
-still needs no service even after a year of riding | | Weaknesses: | Ummmmmm...no lockout | | Similar Products Used: | fox float and float R | | Bike Setup: | Sugar 2, full xtr, crossmax, sid xc, comp s, ct2 bar and stem | | Bottom Line: | Great all-round shock. The ad-10 keeps the rear glued to the earth on ascents and its there when you need it coming down. I highly recommend it to anyone , no way you can go wrong! Cane Creek for life! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Geoff
a Cross Country Rider
from Saskatchewan
Date Reviewed: April 23, 2001 | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$250.00 | | Strengths: | -> Light
->plush for air
->just enough stiction that there's minimal bobbing, yet very smooth
->Customer service is tops in the industry
->easily tunable | | Weaknesses: | -> almost too tunable
->needs service every once in a while | | Similar Products Used: | Fox Vanilla R | | Bike Setup: | 98 Mantra, XT, 00 X-Vert Super, CC AD-10, Fire Xc's, blah blah blah | | Bottom Line: | This shock is well worth the money. I, like most people here thought suspension was made to bob, but after I bought the AD-10 the bike felt more in control and took the bumps better, this was after a good month, it takes a fair amount of time to dial this shock in. I found the best way is to dial in a set amount of air pressure and play with your compression and rebound from there.
I did have a problem with my AD-10, dunno if I got rooked on it or what when I bought it froma LBS, but I think it was a demo shock or something, but I blew something in the piston outa few weeks back, but this excellent company took care of everything for me, kudos to them, no questions asked just send it in they say..excellent
I didn't buy it for the weight, I weigh 225 and it works very well for my weight
As a side benefit, I increased the rear travel on my Mantra over 1.5" and you can definately feel it, even though tht eshock is the same length
I'd highly recommend this shock to anyone who's eithe rlooking to get he mos tout of their suspension or wants to upgrade, don't let the size of the company fool you
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Submitted by
Frank Clough
a Cross Country Rider
from Durham, NH, USA
Date Reviewed: April 23, 2001 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$215.00 | | Purchased At: | Speedgoat | | Strengths: | Very plush, little to none stiction, Rebound adjustment, very easy and cheap to to work on. (tune up) | | Weaknesses: | No lock out, but I did not buy it for that reason anyway. | | Similar Products Used: | N/A | | Bike Setup: | 1998 Trek Y3. | | Bottom Line: | This shock is unbelievable. It is very responsive and it has the rebound adjustment for any type of roadway. This shock is the perfect upgrade for any serious rider. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
John Wood
a Cross Country Rider
from Madison, WI
Date Reviewed: March 11, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | Porcupine Rim | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$120.00 | | Purchased At: | marketplace | | Strengths: | Plush, adjustable, light, price, rebuildable in half an hour for $10. Excellent customer service. | | Weaknesses: | none | | Similar Products Used: | Fox Air Vanilla, Air Vanilla R, and Air Vanilla RC | | Bike Setup: | Marin Mt Vision, sid xc, ad-10, xt | | Bottom Line: | Super plush, feels more linear than Fox air shocks, light, adjustable, rebuildable, and durable. And Cane Creeks customer service is excellent - fast and knowledgable. What more could you want. Definitely deserves 5 chili's | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
tony d
a Cross Country Rider
from seaside,california,america
Date Reviewed: February 24, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | any in fort ord & santa cruz | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$215.00 | | Purchased At: | speedgoat.com | | Strengths: | light weight, easy to maintain, not as expensive as fox,many different sizes to fit all different types of bikes. | | Weaknesses: | no hype. i'm dead serious.fox is all over the place and i think most people look to them 1st whem looking to upgrade their suspension. flip side to this of course is that you pay 50 to 125 bucks less for a product that performs better(according to reviews i've read). not a weakness of the product per say but if fox had beem able to fit my bike i would have went with them.here is an idea for an ad campain:
one whole page in 1 or 2 mags,:DO NOT BUY A NEW BIKE!!! VISIT US 1ST!!!WWW.CANECREEK.COM.run for 2 or 3 issues only so prices don't go up. big winner | | Similar Products Used: | rockshox coup deluxe | | Bike Setup: | 97 17 in shwinn homegrown factory, 00'sid 100,00'xt brakes,97 8 spd xt shifters,01 xtr rear derailler(works great with 8 speed),00' xtr brake levers,carbon fiber brake booster in rear,01' truvativ splined sealex bb,stylo team cranks, time carbon pedals, raceface 100/15degree rise stem,azonic pdw riser bar syncros seatpost ,flite trans am saddle. | | Bottom Line: | the best ugrade you can make without buying a new bike.a few reviews down a guy named skinny hit it on the head;i thought full-suspension was cool but i bobbed alot and generally thought my bike was just ok.after getting the ad-10 my ride is way stiff, no more bobbing on climbs,quiet and i'm getting more travel,or just now getting the promised 3.75in. it's incredible.i was going to buy a new bike but now i'm investing in what i already have and dialing it in.i'm very happy with the ad-10 | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Barry Oxentine
a Cross Country Rider
from Drexel,N.C. 28619
Date Reviewed: February 22, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | Tsali | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$100.00 | | Purchased At: | internet/used 2 months | | Strengths: | Dependable, (so far). I'm using the shock in an artifical arm setup for mtn. bikin' So far it's taken all I can dish out.
| | Weaknesses: | Needs on the fly lock out. Would be nice to get one valved for low pressure, Cane Creek isn't interested in helping.
I thought their cust. service was supposed to be killer? | | Similar Products Used: | none | | Bike Setup: | I have an artifical arm w/ carbon fiber socket, stainless steel upper arm & fore arm. The AD-10 is mounted between.
| | Bottom Line: | I've only been riding with this arm/shock setup for a few months, I can't wait for decent weather to try my best to wear this thing out. For the price I paid I can't beat it,
delivered to my door too, (UPS). | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Chris Allen
a Weekend Warrior
from Edmonds, WA
Date Reviewed: February 14, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | Sun Top | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$200.00 | | Purchased At: | Bikes West | | Strengths: | Simplicity and durability | | Weaknesses: | no meaningful weaknesses | | Similar Products Used: | Rockshox coil-over, Fox Vanilla | | Bike Setup: | '98 Schwinn S-10,Sid Hydra-air fork, Raceface, Cross Max, LP | | Bottom Line: | This shock gave me a new ride for $200. The stock Rockshox coil-over has no rebound adjustment, letting the bike stink-bug on certain types of hits. The AD 10 offers infinate adjustability, but was set up perfect for me right out of the box. It also saved me half a pound. Anyone looking to upgrade would be hard pressed to find a better product. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Richard Anderson
a Cross Country Rider
from Glasgow, Scotland
Date Reviewed: January 23, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | Burma Road, Aviemore, Glasgow | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Purchased At: | Bought with bike | | Strengths: | LIGHT, well balanced shock. Performs well in all conditions. Stiction restricts bobbing. Lovely mover. Once its set, doesn,t leak (but see below) | | Weaknesses: | lack of easy adjustment. I would prefer a manual adjustment without tools. Suffers badly in the Scottish mud. No service structure in the UK at the moment | | Similar Products Used: | Stratos coil over | | Bike Setup: | Univega RAM 990 Frameset, Pace RC36 EVO forks, Middleburn cranks, XT V brakes, Mavic 517 on Hope hubs | | Bottom Line: | I cannot fault the performance of this shock. Recently, Piston body wore out in the mud, shock lost air and I cycled home uncomfortably. I would use a Lizard Skin Shock protector in future. Can't see any reason to change to another shock but would prefer a hotter uk service.I am 6ft and 195lbs and ride a mixture of X-country, single track and path. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Kevin
a Cross Country Rider
from Utah
Date Reviewed: December 11, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | Gooseberry Mesa | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Strengths: | Light weight, adjustable. | | Weaknesses: | No lock out available. | | Similar Products Used: | For R | | Bike Setup: | Aeon Isis SL | | Bottom Line: | Great adjustabillity if you can rach the bolts. On some frams (such as mine) the bike gets in the way of the rebound and compression adjustments. Not a big deal I supose but it could be made easier with a dial set up simmilar to a fox.
It holds air well, stays smooth, and as of yet has required no maintanance. I must admit however I do wish it had a lock out feature. I didn't think I'd want one but road rides to the trail and sprints off the start line could really be spruced up with theb flick of a lever.
If the technologies available why doesn't Cane Creek spec a lock out version? -1/2 chilli for that unknown mystery and -1/2 for the archaic adjustment bolts but still I can't fault the shock. It does what it does and does it very well. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Skinny
a Cross Country Rider
from Ashland, OR
Date Reviewed: December 4, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | No candies | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Price Paid: |
$250.00 | | Strengths: | Tuff, light, well sealed and it works perfect. External adjustments to dial it in. Can't get any better. | | Weaknesses: | Uh......Errr..... | | Similar Products Used: | Rock Shox coil-over, Fox vanilla. | | Bike Setup: | Schwinn sweet-spot dialed out. This rear shock perfectly matches a long travel XC fork up front (in my case the White Bros.) | | Bottom Line: | It rules. I swear to god I installed it and it felt like I bought a different bike. I used to think the sweet-spot was OK, but ever since I changed out the rear shock I think it is the best damned thing out there for hard, rough, XC riding. I can't speak for other frame types, but FOR SURE if you have a sweet spot get this shock. I can't belive what a difference it makes. Over two years of joy now with no servicing and no change in performance. I have ridden the hell out of this thing through nasty mud and grit and decomposed granite. Doesn't even leak. Still! Yahoooooo! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
orpheus
a Cross Country Rider
from eastampton, nj
Date Reviewed: December 2, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | the one I dream of at night | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$215.00 | | Purchased At: | Speedgoat | | Strengths: | Where has this shock been all my life? In five minutes my bike was transformed. Supple even when you got it dialed stiff, without being a pogo stick. Also weighs less than half my Fox Vanilla P.O.S.. Customer service ROCKS!(see below). This shock is a thing of beauty. I swear, it may be my imagination, but my bike feels fster now. | | Weaknesses: | It's not black. | | Similar Products Used: | Fox | | Bike Setup: | 2000 Super V 500, Bontrager Valiant/XTR wheelset, Avid Arch Rival 50 brakes, Avid Speed dial Levers, SRAM gripshift shifters, LX front der, SRAM 9.0 rear, XT cassette, CODA pedals, Selle Italia Flite gel saddle, AD-10 shock | | Bottom Line: | I first ordered this shock from Speedgoat. We did some research together, and finally got the "correct" measurements from Cannondale. LO and Behold, Cannondale was wrong, and my shock wasn't even close. Speedgoat put me in touch with Cane Creek, where Doug had me take measurements over the phone, compared them to his charts, and had a custom sized shock made for me. When I got it, at no extra charge, it slipped right in. Whatever the cost, I'm sticking with Cane Creek from now on. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Don
a Cross Country Rider
from Lafayette, CA
Date Reviewed: November 3, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | Flume | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$240.00 | | Purchased At: | California Pedaler | | Strengths: | Simple, Strong, Reliable and exceeds expectations | | Weaknesses: | What? | | Similar Products Used: | Rock Shox Coil Over (Blew them out). | | Bike Setup: | 97 Fisher X1, XT/XTR, Judy XC (Total Air inserts), Arch Rivals, AD 10 | | Bottom Line: | At 220# I can abuse a shock. Had been able to destroy ALL previous Coil over Oil. I pump this to 250 PSI and go off on every bump, log and rock.
I have put in air only 4 times over the past year. 2000 miles of hell. My XT/XTR components have failed under the hammering but not this shock.
The bike climbs better due to the very custom dampening/rebound/compression capabilities.
Great product. Mates up well with the URT configuration and if you have air shocks up front, this just compliments the whole set-up.
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Submitted by
david
a Racer
from c.h nc
Date Reviewed: October 29, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | estes | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$200.00 | | Purchased At: | franklin st.cycles | | Strengths: | customer service-awesome. drop in fit. no maint in one year
running low pressure 150# fast compression slow rebound
exellent
| | Weaknesses: | none yet. i've raced several times this past year and it never lost any pressure and i'm a freeride freak. | | Similar Products Used: | sid rear-ok,fox alps5r-good,several coils-whatever? | | Bike Setup: | 98 haro extreme w/ full xtr,dolomites,sid xc,ad10,26lbs
of awesome modified freeride racer | | Bottom Line: | air rules- front/back,do it. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
næstep
a Cross Country Rider
from SF Bay Area, California
Date Reviewed: October 29, 2000 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$199.00 | | Purchased At: | Cambria Bicycle Outfitters | | Strengths: | User serviceable at home.
Relatively lightweight compared to coil-overs.
Wide range of adjustments.
Progressive ramp up; difficult to bottom out.
Backed by Cane Creek's great customer service. | | Weaknesses: | If it dies on the trail, I'm gonna be walking home.
Even at $200, a little pricey. | | Similar Products Used: | Rock Shox Super Deluxe Coil | | Bike Setup: | Fisher 1996 Joshua 'Y', 1994 Joshua F4 | | Bottom Line: | My decision came down to a AD-10 or a Stratos Helix. The deciding factors were: no coil spring (not having to pick the correct spring rate for my weight and frame), lighter weight, and the at home serviceability. Service, support, price and reliability seemed about equal, with the Stratos having a slight edge in performance (what I've gathered from other MTBR posts).
Cane Creek didn't have my '96 frame listed as being compatable, but they did all the leg work to ensure I was set up properly. I again called on their customer support to check compatability with my new '99 frame, and for getting a new set of bushings sent to me. Had the shock required resizing or refitting for the new frame, the cost would have been $50.
The progressive rate of the shock is perfect for my frame. Pressure ramps up towards the end of the stroke, allowing me to run the shock a bit softer than my old Super Deluxe coil, without constantly bottoming out. Undamped, the AD-10 kicks back violently on high speed whoop-de-wooz. The rebound damping is very effective here. At slower speeds, suspension bob can be mostly dialed out with careful adjustment of compression and rebound damping.
This shock has entirely changed the character of my URT suspension. Whereas the Super Deluxe's single rebound adjustment can be likened to a suspension On/Off switch, the AD-10 offers a wide range of variation in the setup.
I tip the scales at 230 pounds, plus clothes and gear, and the AD-10 holds up well. I can go weeks at a time between recharges (between 6 and 8 rides). I've had no incidents of rapid pressure drops, strange noises, or great amounts of stiction. I've experimented with pressures as low as 180 and as high as 250 psi.
Overall, I've got to deduct one chili for price (come on, $200 is still a lot of money for a shock!), and one half chili for the Helix's greater "plushness" (oops, I gotta round up!). This would be an excellent choice for most XC and freeride needs. URT riders especially (Joshua, Trek Y) should look to this as the definitive upgrade for their ride. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Dean
a
from Charleston,SC
Date Reviewed: October 20, 2000 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$180.00 | | Strengths: | Very user serviceable, durable, reliable, light weight and high performance | | Weaknesses: | I guess if you look hard enough you can find weeknesses in anything. The only thing I would improve is to make it more affordable to the masses | | Similar Products Used: | Fox Vanilla Coil over | | Bike Setup: | Cannondale Super V, XT drive train, Easton CT2 riser bar, Headshock Moto FR fork, Hollowtech Cranks, Time Atac pedals, Selle Italia gel flite titanium and the list goes on...... | | Bottom Line: | This was the best performance upgrade to my ride. This baby will take your performance level up a notch. I now take bigger drop offs and high speed rough spots with alot more confidence. When you take a big hit this shock just soaks it up and its great to know that you won't have to send it out for servicing. I pumped it up to about 290psi when I first got it and I haven't noticed a loss of pressure as of yet. For once it seems that you can finally get what you paid for..By the way, it's good to be friends with your LBS, that's how I got such a great deal. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
steve b
a Weekend Warrior
from oakland
Date Reviewed: October 3, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | all of them | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Purchased At: | came with frame | | Strengths: | Lots of tuning options, reliable, you can work on it yourself, customer support | | Weaknesses: | a little stiction not as coil like as the Vanilla Air (keep grease on it and it's great) | | Similar Products Used: | Fox Coil, Manitou Bazooka, Vanilla Air..... | | Bike Setup: | McMahon with the works, Avid, Thomson, King, Avid, Kore, Titec, Easton,Sram 9.0sl, SID XC 00, Selle Italia, DT....etc. | | Bottom Line: | Overall this is a great shock. It's very easy to tune with lots of options, compression, rebound and the size of the air chamber, not to mention the air spring. I have to admit that I rode the same frame with a Fox Vanilla air and thought that the Vanilla was smoother over the small stuff then the AD10. The vanilla air felt more like a coil spring shock on compression yet still had the control on rebound of an air shock. Well, I thought about buying a Vanilla after that ride, but common sense told me to play with the AD10 some more to get the desired ride quality. I fiddled with the size of the air chamber by increasing it, I lowered the amount of air in the main chamber and increased the rebound and compression slightly. I also regreased everything. This made the shock much more plush over the little stuff, still not a good as the Vanilla Air but close enough considering ease of rebuild and the reports of stellar service from Cane Creek. Plus the AD 10 is almost bullet proof, judging my experiences and others. I heard that Can Creek is coming out with an AD 12 which will have smoother surfaces and bushings for less stiction, that would be a nice improvement. It would be nice if the improvements can be retrofitted to the AD 10. Adding up customer service and support, reliability, adjustibility, and ease of service. This is a hard shock to beat. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
NOJ
a Cross Country Rider
from Lakewood, CO
Date Reviewed: September 26, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | All | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$250.00 | | Strengths: | Light, easy to maintain, smoooooth! | | Weaknesses: | Air valve, no mounting shims | | Similar Products Used: | Noleen, Fox | | Bike Setup: | Giant 990 | | Bottom Line: | Got this as an upgrade to improve spring rate and drop 1/2 lb from my ride. The weight came off, and the ride got plush! For an air shock, this has surprisingly little stiction, and @ 195g is about the lightest thing out there.
The clearance of the air valve on my frame led me to do a bit of creative Dremel-ing to keep it from scraping paint off at full compression, and the fit on the mounting eyelets was really tight.
I took it apart a couple weeks ago, and it's clean as a whistle inside- the seals work good, and a bit of Englund Defriction Lube made things even better!
The only bummer is that it won't fit on my new Aeon frame! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Mike
a Cross Country Rider
from Ithaca, NY
Date Reviewed: September 11, 2000 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Strengths: | -Light
-Adjustable
-Customer service | | Weaknesses: | -Uhhhh, not REAL plush? | | Similar Products Used: | Fox stuff | | Bike Setup: | Sugar 2 | | Bottom Line: | One of the best parts on my bike. I thought it was plastic because the thing is so light. Sometimes (rarely) it will develop stiction problems that are easily alleviated with some slick honey. Nearly perfect combo of plushness and useable travel, important on a short travel bike. One of the adjuster screws is a little tight, but it's getting looser.
Cane Creek's customer service is phenominal. The shock was leaking a bit from just general wear. I got a new kit shipped via UPS overnight. Great, friendly people.
The sheer simplicity of this shock is amazing. It can be torn down with minimal tools and yet it is a high class piece of equipment. Genius. Imagine bike parts that you can actually work on- this is it. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Bill Short
a Cross Country Rider
from Newark, DE, USA
Date Reviewed: September 11, 2000 | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$240.00 | | Purchased At: | BikeLine, Newark | | Strengths: | Cane Creek stands behind it's products like a world class company of people that know, love, and ride what they make. | | Weaknesses: | My AD-10 blew up but the news is good. Read on. | | Similar Products Used: | Rock Shox, Fox Vanilla. | | Bike Setup: | Klein Mantra and Trek Y-22 | | Bottom Line: | The hardest part of this whole ordeal was limping out of the woods with a blown rear shock. As I type, a new shock is on it's way to my local shop. Here's my story....
Yep, it's true, my AD-10 blew in a very dramatic fashion. On a downhill, BANG!. My buds in front of me thought I'd been shot. When I got to the bottom I shed a tear for my beloved AD-10. It was dangling in two pieces and an ugly sight. I slid the thing back together and limped the 6 miles out of the woods.
That was yesterday. Today I called Cane Creek and told my tale. I was told that what happened to me is very rare. Maybe it was a factory defect, maybe it was overdue for a rehaul, maybe a Trail Fairy jumped up and wacked it with her wand...who knows? The Bottom Line? It shouldn't have happened and my new replacement shock is on the way. I'll barely get my bike cleaned in time to put it on and my wallet will never leave my pocket. THAT is customer service. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Rob
a Cross Country Rider
from Minneapolis, MN USA
Date Reviewed: August 29, 2000 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$240.00 | | Purchased At: | Cambria | | Strengths: | Light, adjustable, smooth | | Similar Products Used: | Rock Shox Deluxe | | Bike Setup: | Scott Neva, Rock Shox Judy XC, Avid 4.0 brakes, XT/XTR drivetrain | | Bottom Line: | They have a database of the rear shock specs for every bike & they custom build your shock. It slid right in, I pumped it up and set the compression & rebound adjustments. I can't say how much more smooth this shock is than the Rock Shox | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Eric
a Cross Country Rider
from North Carolina
Date Reviewed: August 8, 2000 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Strengths: | Light, well made, easy to adjust, excellent product support from Cane Creek, and priced right. | | Weaknesses: | none | | Similar Products Used: | Rock shock, Fox (coil spring) | | Bike Setup: | DBR V-Link 97, Bomber fork (Z-3 100, 00) XTR. | | Bottom Line: | Cane Creek has a great reputation, now I know why! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Mike
a Cross Country Rider
from Flower Mound, Texas
Date Reviewed: August 2, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | Grapevine north shore | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Strengths: | Easy to adjust, doesn't leak air, rebuildable, light, inexpensive | | Weaknesses: | None | | Similar Products Used: | Fox Vanilla coil over, vanilla float | | Bike Setup: | Rocky Mountain Element Sid XC, king hubs 517 Mavics, Dean ti seatpost, race face cranks, XT | | Bottom Line: | This shock made the bike ride like a full suspension bike. The Fox coil-over it replaced was always too stiff or too soft. I think the spring was just too soft for my weight. But the AD-10 is super plush in comparison. I can hit roots and rocks that used to kick up the rear end but now aren't even noticable. It hasn't leaked any air yet after over a month. The damping adjustment knobs make a noticable difference when tweaked. One of the most noticable things about this shock is that even when it is set at a low pressure setting for my weight, I never notice it bottoming out. And the weight savings is substantial over a coil over, approx 1/2 lb. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Nick Seavello
a Cross Country Rider
from San Diego, CA
Date Reviewed: August 2, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | anything | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Strengths: | light, does what it should | | Weaknesses: | none so far | | Similar Products Used: | Rock Shox deluxe | | Bike Setup: | Schwinn S-20 Sram 9.0SL / Lx , bontrager build | | Bottom Line: | This is a great product; it's too bad that it's rarely seen on bikes. I could tell the improvement from the first ride. It's light, adjustable, and has made my S-20 ride like a real full suspension bike. The price was great too. (Got it from speedgoat.com). Only bad thing I can think of is it's a little hard to add air to the shock. (But that's due to the S-20's frame design, not the shock itself). Overall, the AD-10 is a great product. This is what Schwinn should have used. It's a great xc shock. 5 chills. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
a Cross Country Rider
from Knoxville
Date Reviewed: June 4, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | Everywhere! | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Strengths: | This shock, comes optional on two dualies I own. Santa Cruz Heckler and Ventana El Fuego. It shines compared to anything else (dual suspension) I've mounted, and offers both great rebound/compression adjustability. I've not had to pump this shock as frequently as one might expect, despite my height 195 (not yet Clydesdale!) and very hard riding. Plush! | | Weaknesses: | No lock-out | | Similar Products Used: | Rock Shox SID. Vanilla Float RC. | | Bike Setup: | Two Dualies:
1. Ventana El Fuego. XTR build.
2. Santa Cruz Heckler, custom build (Dean, Race Face, XTR, SRP, SDG saddle, Easton bar, etc.). My real option was to make the Heckler a pseudo-Heckler Light with the ADDITION of a Cane Creek AD-10! | | Bottom Line: | Great, great shock for the money. Performs very well for any but all! If you are a racer and must have a lock-out for some easy climbs or straightaways...well...not for you. But for ANYONE else, this is it! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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Darius
a Cross Country Rider
from Manila, Philippines
Date Reviewed: May 23, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | Tarzan's Bad Trip, Subic Bay, Philippines | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Strengths: | Lightweight, easy to adjust, plush or hard as you like it, no stiction, a real ass-saver. | | Weaknesses: | None identified yet, except it doesn't come with a pump like the SID my friend got. | | Similar Products Used: | None | | Bike Setup: | Fisher Sugar 2, upgraded to XT everything, easton, race face, bontrager. Me: 240 lbs, 6 ft. | | Bottom Line: | I'm big and I ride nasty steep rock gullies in rural Philippines. After 10 years on a hardtail, the AD-10 is a revelation. I was worried about climbing ability but me and my buds won our very first team mountain bike eco-challenge last month, including a steep climb. On downhills the AD-10 give you a lot of confidence because the wheel stays nicely planted. I think the pressure recommendations err a bit o the hard side. At 225-250 lbs pressure, its a bit harder ride than necessary. I can still climb efficiently with 175 lbs pressure despite my size. No doubt this is partly due to frame geometry bu the AD-10 really is there when you need it, and absent when you don't. The over the counter price is right, unlike SID which is charging you about 30% markup for their cheese.
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Drew
a Weekend Warrior
from NYC
Date Reviewed: May 11, 2000 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Strengths: | light ... looks durable ... great rear shock responce ... no sqeeking! | | Weaknesses: | none so far | | Similar Products Used: | fox vanilla | | Bike Setup: | trek y-3 sx-r front ... as-10 rear ... arch rival 50's spins ... shimano mix drivtrain ... | | Bottom Line: | i was so happy when i got my bike ... which was about a year ago ... man full suspension ... light and responsive ... 4 months later ... my rear shock started to sqeek ... oh man ... was an anoying sound ... my ass started to hurt ... every bump felt like sh*t ... but delt with it ... and when i took off the shock to clean and relube ... damn was it heavy ... oh man i didn't know how heavy it really was ... damn coil covers ... fox vanilla sux ... so now about 10 months later ... i finnaly got my ad-10 ... i just mounted it a few hours ago ... i'm a 205 weight rider ... wow ... what a difference ... ever bump soacked up ... my bike feels so plush ... responce is great ... going to play with rebound and stuff now ... pumped it to 220 psi ... can you tell i love this shock ... i went down stairs ... hit every pothole to the trail ... and on the trail .. dammit ... it weas awesome and i feel the pound or more im saving from the ad-10 vs my fox vailla ... my sx-r can finally be put to full use ... by the way ... if your rear shock isn't tuned to your weight and riding style ... your front shock doesn't function at it's optimum ... good luck ... by the way ... i got mine used ... for 116 with a pump ... it was never mounted so i guess you can say it's new ... it's a 6.75 eye to eye .. and fits my trek y frame ... which ='s 170mm eye to eye ... for all you people who need an upgrade ... that has a trek ... you won't be disapointed | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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Edwin Stegman
a Cross Country Rider
from Amsterdam
Date Reviewed: April 6, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | Roque los Muchachos | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Strengths: | light,adjustable,no leaking,plush,manual,quality
| | Weaknesses: | adjustment by hand could be easier | | Similar Products Used: | Proflex MCU(prehistoric);RockShox:Superdeluxe(heavy trash); Fox:Alps 5R(So,so),Vanilla TC(the best) | | Bike Setup: | Turner XCE;SID 100;Tune wheelset;Geax tires;Easton carbon riser bar;Syncros forged crankset,post,stem | | Bottom Line: | Very light.It's 250g at 165mm lenght.Typical 165mm coil shocks are about 500g .
Compression and rebound damping are truly adjustable.
There's still some room for improvement though:making adjustments requires a 4mm allen key and adjustments during rides would be quicker and in case of a Turner without dismounting if one could do this by hand.
The air spring makes optimum rider weight setup possible for every person.
It's sturdy and lo maintenance.I don't have to pump it up every other ride or so.Mine never leaks at 165PSI.
Suspension performance is impressive.No stiction whatsoever.Soaks up small and big stuff alike.No spikes or harsh bottoming.Super on square edged hits like roots etc.
Performance is almost on par with my Fox TC which i consider to be the best rear damper yet.
The manual is very detailed and,a welcome surprise, even has a dutch translation.
Quality and attention to detail(the soft fleece bag)is the best.Supersmooth shock surface and bushings & spacers with precise fitting all add up to this conclusion.
5 chilis for value.It's definitely a step up from where most shocks are at the moment.
5 chilis overall.The AD-10 is a great rear shock. It's versatile,dependable,light and performs with the best.
Get one!!
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Rollingbones
a Cross Country Rider
from Fair Oaks,CA
Date Reviewed: April 5, 2000 | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Strengths: | User friendly, User servicable, Very durable, Doesn't leak air and light!! | | Weaknesses: | Still needs to be pumped up (which is no big deal since it holds air really well). | | Similar Products Used: | Rock Shox delux | | Bike Setup: | 98 Schwinn S-20, Marz. z-1 Alloy, CC-AD-10, XT shifting, Race Face Cranks, Avid Brakes, XT/Bont. Mustang Asym wheels. | | Bottom Line: | This shock is great. It makes a good compliment to my Z-1 Alloy up front. It's highly tunable, easly to work on (can be rebuilt by most average bike mechanic consumers in about 45 min.) and is very durable (I weigh 215). This thing took over 1/2 pound off the bike from my Rock Shock, has superior performance and I don't need to send it to a shop or even worse, a factory to have it worked on. The people at Cane Creek are "A+ Number One" in customer service and support. I feel like I have a company behind my shock and the best part of all, it gives me a really great rid...what else could you ask for!!!! Top Shelf!!! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
BS
a Cross Country Rider
from Silver Spring, MD
Date Reviewed: March 25, 2000 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Strengths: | Light, plush, adjustable. | | Weaknesses: | None. | | Similar Products Used: | Rock Shox | | Bike Setup: | Voodoo Zobop | | Bottom Line: | Absolutely transformed the performance of my Voodoo. Super adjustable. No stiction. No leakage. 1/2# lighter too. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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Ken
a Cross Country Rider
from San Jose, CA
Date Reviewed: March 19, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | Wilder Ranch | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Strengths: | Shock works great, very plush. I'm a big guy, 270 lbs, and the shock is easy to set up and maintain. Rebuilding the shock takes about 1/2 hour. | | Weaknesses: | Blow seals on a regular basis. About every 4 months. But Cane Creek has excellent customer service. They send me a new seal kit for free every time. It just takes a phone call. | | Similar Products Used: | Fox Vanilla Rx | | Bike Setup: | Cannondale Super V 1000 Freeride | | Bottom Line: | Works great, but a pain in the ass to rebuild all the time.
Good shock for a big rider, no switching springs just adjust the air pressure. | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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Crzymtbiker
a Cross Country Rider
from Montana
Date Reviewed: March 7, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | Emerald Lake, Sypes Canyon | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Strengths: | This baby is ultra light and super plush. It is nice to have a rear shock that has damping adjustments. Good price too, $215 at speedgoat.com and free shipping, can't beat that. | | Weaknesses: | none thus far | | Similar Products Used: | RS Deluxe, Fox Vanilla | | Bike Setup: | 99' Schwinn S-20 carbon frame, 'Zokes Z-1 drop off fork, XTR brakes, shifters/levers and deraileurs. XTR 8 speed ti cassette. Spinergy M1 wheels, Kooka Bonnie cranks,Shimano 747 pedals, Chris King headset, LP carbon composite riser bar, control tech flip-top stem, Thomson Elite post and Bontrager revolt kevlar tires. | | Bottom Line: | This shock is fantastic so far, I have had it for a few days and it has completely improved the ride. If you have a RS deluxe and are looking for a good upgrade, this is it. It is inexpensive and it will vastly improve the quality of your ride. Speedgoat and Cambria have them for $215 and $209 respectively. I would go with speedgoat, they have free shipping and have wonderful customer services. I think I can honestly say I will never buy another Rock Shox product again. Five flaming hot-carls for this guy. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
yep
a Cross Country Rider
from USA
Date Reviewed: February 21, 2000 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Strengths: | light, rebuildable, reliable | | Weaknesses: | stiction, not very good negativse adj. | | Similar Products Used: | Stratus Strata Pro | | Bike Setup: | Ellsworth Truth | | Bottom Line: | excellent race shock | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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77 77
a Cross Country Rider
from singapore
Date Reviewed: February 12, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | Bukit Timah Via Woodcutters | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Strengths: | Light,cheap,plush(wat more do u expect) | | Weaknesses: | Damned is this the best of rear shocks?? | | Similar Products Used: | ROCSHOX | | Bike Setup: | GT LTS, maguras,xtrs,bombers... | | Bottom Line: | This shock has the most noticeble effect on my bike!!Even my pals say its like riding a motobike. STABLE ride that was never present in those rocs days! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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Nick
a Cross Country Rider
from Daly City, CA
Date Reviewed: February 4, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | Rockville, Skeggs | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Strengths: | Light, negative air, adjustable compression and rebound and air pressure is a wide adjustment. Set it firm for climbing or soft for bombing. The main strength is customer support. I called 3 times for different reasons and all 3 times excellent support. 1) I ripped a gasket..got a new one in 3 days 2)A bushing was loose from Santa Cruz and they sent me new bushings. 3) The bushings needed to be pressed in so I sent the shock back and they pressed the bushings in, rebuilt the shock, put new stickers on the shock and threw in a couple of stickers. Now that's product support. Excellent product , excellent service, excellent performance. | | Weaknesses: | None | | Similar Products Used: | Fox coil over | | Bike Setup: | Santa Cruz Heckler, SID XC, XTR, King/517, | | Bottom Line: | If you had the choice of any shock, go with the lightest, easiest to service, most adjustable, best factory support shock. CANE CREEK!!!!
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Crystal Bynum
a Weekend Warrior
from Weirsdale, Fl. USA
Date Reviewed: February 1, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | Santos trailhead (bellview Fl.) | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Strengths: | Very Light, Very adjustable so you can fine tune your ride. Price is very reasonable. | | Weaknesses: | None yet. | | Similar Products Used: | rockshox deluxe coilover | | Bike Setup: | Schwinn Homegrown carbon full supension. Marzocchi Z2 atom bomb, Race Face Team SL headset, Race Face cranks and rings, Avid Arch 50 brakes, XT shifters, XTR front & rear deraillers, Nuke Proof Superfly hubs, with Mavic 217 CD rims, Answer Rocker seatpost, Azonic bars and stem, XTR Ti cassette, XT bottom bracket, Time Atac Carbon Pedals, Continental leader pro and Comp 2 kevlar tires, latex tubes. | | Bottom Line: | This shock is very light, almost half pound lighter than my old rockshox deluxe. Never really cared for the rockshox line. Now I know why, Not built as well and cost more money. This Cane Creek AD-10 made a dramatic differace on my sweet spot fame. I got more travel and alot more adjustability. My bike feels like a cadillac now. Not to mention It got my full suspension at a little over 25 lbs. This shock is the way to go if you want an air shock. Only paid $215.00 w/ shipping at speedgoat. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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travis bickle
a Cross Country Rider
from Shilo, MB, Canada
Date Reviewed: January 30, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | Ganaraska, ON | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Strengths: | light, very adustable, user can totally rebuild shock at home, durable. | | Weaknesses: | none | | Similar Products Used: | fox alps4 | | Bike Setup: | rider = 210lbs, RM element, Z1 alloy, lot of good stuff | | Bottom Line: | I originally had this shock on a Y22 where it was excellent and when I was looking for a new frame I made sure that my AD10 would fit. The damping controls do make a difference and you can change the internal volume which changes the feel of the shock from firm to super plush. $10 gets you a rebuild kit from CC and makes the shock just like new. I can't understand why there are other air shocks on the market still. I see that Trek is specing them on VRX's this year which is a god call. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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Mike Edge
a Cross Country Rider
from Palm Beach, Florida
Date Reviewed: January 29, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | Loxahatchee | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Strengths: | Light (oh yes, very light) and effective. Made by Cane Creek | | Weaknesses: | Nothing yet | | Similar Products Used: | Fox vanilla....a piece of heavy crap, which simply deflated like an old Christmas balloon within a year. Impossible to adjust without lots of muscle....just poor quality. | | Bike Setup: | Jamis Dakar Pro - Marzocchi Z1 XFly - Easton Carbon bars - Ibis titanium stem - SRP carbon cranks and bottom bracket - Race Face chain rings - XTR front and rear derailleurs - XTR titanium rear cassette - Cane Creek AD10 rear shock - Dean titanium seat post - WTB S98 saddle on titanium rails -White Industries hubs laced by DT Revolution spokes to Sun XO Light polished rims - Avid Extreme brake system - XTR combo shifter/levers | | Bottom Line: | The bottom line is that this feels strong and does the job. It IS light, almost to the point of feeling flimsy....but is certainly not. Beautifully made and presented. Cost wise it is about right; although since Fox has decided not to sell to the general public (duh) and Rockshox SID rear shocks have miniscule travel...there is really no contest.
Last but certainly not least... the customer service at Cane Creek is absolutely great. Helpful, knowledgeable and courteous. Was talking to Peter Gilbert at 3p.m. and the Fedex man was knocking on my door at 9.00 a.m. the following morning with my stuff.
Bill Gates should send his tech support weenies to Cane Creek to learn how it should be done.....!! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Mike Holovka
a Cross-Country Rider
from Ravenna MI
Date Reviewed: January 7, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: |
Owassippi Scout Reservation | | Duration Product Used: |
less than 1 month | | Strengths: |
Very light, plush, no stiction | | Weaknesses: |
to soon to tell | | Similar Products Used: |
Rockshox deluxe | | Bike Setup: |
Schwnn 98 S-20 2 lbs lighter than stock | | Bottom Line: | Very good control almost perfect fit for bike, haven't had long enough to really check it out though, if it as adjustable as claimed I will rerate it a 5 stars. 6 oz lighter than rockshox deluxe | | Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
tom laporta
a cross-country rider
from berkeley, ca
Date Reviewed: June 5, 1998 | | Bottom Line: |
I just upgraded after trashing the fox vanilla x on my bike. the fox was very...vanilla, but the ad-10 is awesome. lighter than a brain tissue sample from a blonde, and the manual with exploded diagram and concise tuning instructions is easy to follow. If you call tech support, they return your calls. It works great, smooth stroke, not stiction laden at all. adjustable compression and rebound that really adjust. The only down side was that the supplied bushing were 12.69 mm diameter and felt sloppy. Luckily, the Fox bushings, at 12.71 mm fixed that problem handily, although the small end bushing had to be turned down to give an extra 2 mm width to work. I got the cane creek pump with it, and it works great. You don't really need an accufil adaptor. After a few fills, you'll know how much air escapes upon unscrewing the pump, about 10-15 psi, so just overfill by that amount. | | Overall Rating: |
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