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Bontrager Race Tubeless

MSRP $ 349.00
Weight 755/1025 grams <br>(fr/rr)
# of Reviews 21
Average Rating 2.86/5
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Submitted by cyclezen a Cross Country Rider from Goleta
Date Reviewed: March 11, 2009
Favorite Trail:today's
Duration Product Used:Less than 1 month
Price Paid: $160.00
Purchased At:ebay
Strengths:looks like it might be a good wheelset when actually being used
Weaknesses:Incredibly Difficult to mount tires! So I may never get to ride these!
Bike Setup:Trek HT
Bottom Line:have gone thru 3 different tire combos in order to find one which would mount without having to resort to Motorcycle tire levers to get the bead over the rim. Its due to the tubeless rimstrip (black asymmetrical) which is stock on the Wheel.
Mounting tires with any normal rimstrip is easy, but trying to stay tubeless and using their stock rimstrip, I've yet to be able to fully mount a tire without resorting to large metal tire levers.
I can;t imagine trying to repair a flat out trailside!
Choices for me are, either go back to tubes on these and use a normal rimstrip. Or hope and pray I never get a flat while out riding (if I can ever get a tire on without damaging the rim...). Neither is any kind of acceptable solution.
Expensive lesson learned.
Value Rating:2Overall Rating:2

Submitted by Jorge a Cross Country Rider from Portugal
Date Reviewed: October 7, 2008
Favorite Trail:Ordinary XC
Duration Product Used:2 Years
Price Paid: $60.00
Strengths:This is a review for rims only.Look good, resistant to V-Brake pad friction, so far no dents or bents on harsh impacts, lightweight.
Weaknesses:For sure there are weaknesses, but I haven't seen them yet!
Similar Products Used:WTB, Mavic, Alex Rims
Bike Setup:K2 Razorback frame, XTR hubs, SID, Fox Float RL, Bontrager Race Lite compact crank, SRAM X7 deraileurs, Avid SD7 brakes.
Bottom Line:Once again, this is a review for rims only. As always, I purchased components and I assembled the bicycle. I decided to buy these rims (24 h front, 28 h rear) in first place because of their lightweight and their shallow and wider profile. I am no structural engineer, but I think that on contrary to other manufacturers that build narrow XC rims to reduce weight, a wider rim is more resistance to impact and lateral deformation. My body weigh is 52 kg and probably this is the reason the rims never come out of true and never dented on nasty impacts and two years of XC riding.
Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

Submitted by Stefan Andersson a Weekend Warrior from Sweden
Date Reviewed: April 28, 2006
Favorite Trail:Local
Duration Product Used:2 Years
Strengths:Just normal alignments done. Keeps true very well.
No issues with tire seating once the tubeless stip was gone.
Weaknesses:Experienced large play in rear wheel after 1 yr. Had to replace the bearings.
Agressivly removed the tubeless stip after some hours work trying to get a proper seating on my wire bead Conti Diesels 2.5".
Bike Setup:Trek Liquid 20 MY03 (incl. Bonty wheelset)
Bottom Line:If you get it with a bike don't be disapointed. It can take a pounding from some agressive riding and easy drops.
If I were to buy a new wheelset I'm not sure that this would be my choice...not that they are bad but there are so many comparable and better sets to choose from.
Value Rating:3Overall Rating:4

Submitted by Rober Simons a Cross Country Rider from Sand Lake, MI, Kent
Date Reviewed: April 24, 2005
Favorite Trail:NCT
Duration Product Used:1 Year
Purchased At:Came on year old Klein Palamino
Strengths:Solid, hold true,..and they look good
Weaknesses:wish the hubs were disc compatible
Similar Products Used:Mavic x3.1 UST Tubeless disc
Bike Setup:Klein Palamino Race full suspension, Hutchinson Spider rear & Continental Vertical front tubeless tires
Bottom Line:Not sure why this wheelset got such complaints in this review, because they have stood strong & true for me. I'm not doing 3 foot drops, but I am using them pretty hard on cross country rides. There were a couple of comments about the difficulty of changing tubeless tires on this wheelset but I had little difficulty once I found the right technique, as stated in another review. Just get the tire in the center of the rim strap on the opposite side of the valve and start removing the tire on the valve side. I found it no more difficult than a tube wheelset. Pump the tire up to high pressure and wait for the tire to pop into place, then place soapy water around the bead/rim area to check for leaks. Also, the use of a sealant helps greatly.

I had no problems with leaks. I used homemade tubeless sealant with Slime, Mold Maker & water, which works great. Wheelset has minor scratches and one ding, but they have been very strong, not leaked and have held true for a full year of solid riding. Rims work well with V-brakes too. They may be a bit heavier than stated by Bontrager, but the strength makes up for it. Have not had any problems with the hubs either, which are still spinning very smooth.
Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

Submitted by Ray Go a Weekend Warrior from Southern, CA
Date Reviewed: April 13, 2004
Favorite Trail:too many to mension
Duration Product Used:1 Year
Price Paid: $149.00
Purchased At:Supergo
Strengths:Tough wheelset
Weaknesses:Tough to install tires. NOT ANYMORE.
Bottom Line:Part 2. See my review from about 16 months ago. Just wanted to share my success with these wheels. Anyway, I followed an advice below and removed the plastic tubeless thingamajig from the wheel to shave some weight, and guess what? It made it a lot easier to seat the tire beads. It took less than 60 psi. Although I haven't had any flat while on the trail lately, knock on wood, I won't have to worry about it anymore, I am pretty sure it won't be too much of a problem after this modification. And oh by the way, I haven't had a reason to take the wheels in for maintenance, truing or any other maintenance. Except for self help tightening of two or three spokes, the wheels are holding up really well.
Value Rating:5Overall Rating:4

Submitted by Tom a Cross Country Rider from PA
Date Reviewed: November 13, 2003
Favorite Trail:American Standard, Jim Thorpe, PA
Duration Product Used:2 Years
Purchased At:LBS
Strengths:Spokes haven't snapped off yet? No airleaks so far.
Weaknesses:Rear hub, don't stay true, extremely difficult to mount a tubeless tire.
Similar Products Used:Rolf Dolomits UST, Mavics
Bike Setup:Trek Fuel 98, SID Race, Truvative Stylo Team
Bottom Line:Originally I purchased the regular Bontrager Race wheelset in 2001. In 2002 the rear hub broke and the lbs couldn't disassemble it at all so I got a Bontrager Race tubeless rear wheel back on warranty. (credits to Bontrager and my lbs there).
Anyway, this wheel seems to have exactly the same weakness: rear hub! (same issue that Rolf Dolomite wheels have).
I've replaced the body and bearings twice. The wheel doesn't stay true either, need to check that after every ride it seems.
I must also mention that it is really a major pain to mount UST tires on this rim. You're lucky if you can get a tire on within 15 minutes with bloodshed, sweat and tears!
The rim is simply too large for most UST tires because even if you got a tire on it will not inflate to a point where the wheel is properly towards the inner sidewalls. When you rotate the wheel you then notice a wobble sideways.

This is very poor product that never should have appeared on the market. There is no way it could have passed a normal quality control, except Bontragers.
Value Rating:1Overall Rating:1

Submitted by Ross a Cross Country Rider from Houston, TX
Date Reviewed: November 12, 2003
Favorite Trail:Ant Hills
Duration Product Used:1 Year
Strengths:Two adventure races and lots of training miles haven't beaten these down yet.
Weaknesses:None yet
Bike Setup:Gary Fisher Paragon 2002 (wheels came with bike)
Bottom Line:I hated these wheels the first time I tried to change a flat (the night before a race)! It took forever to pry the tire off the rim. After the race, I took the wheels to my LBS and complained about them. The LBS mechanic took the tire off with great effort, pulled out the black plastic tubeless sealer thingy and re-assembled my wheel with little effort. I have changed a few flats since then with absolutely no effort whatsoever.

I've put these wheels through 2 adventure races and a ton of training miles during the 8 months I've had this bike and have never had true them. They're a little heavier than my friend's Crossmax wheels, but not by much.

Bottom line is -- take out that stupid plastic thingy and ride with tubes. These rims are almost perfect once you do that!
Value Rating:4Overall Rating:4

Submitted by Eric a Cross Country Rider from Golden
Date Reviewed: September 14, 2003
Favorite Trail:Elk Meadows - Evergreen, CO
Duration Product Used:3 months
Purchased At:Came on my 2002 Sugar 2+
Strengths:Don't really know.... they spin....? They look cool because they say TUBELESS on the rim...
Weaknesses:Front wheel makes annoying click sound every rotation. Can't figure it out... must be in the hub. Heavier than claimed by far... not that it really matters a whole lot if you are not a psssy, but they are definitely much heavier than you think they are going to be and not worth the money if you are thinking about buying them after market.
Bottom Line:Tubeless is a crock. Keep you're tubes and live happier. Can't deal with the amount of effort it takes to get tires on and off these rims... why not stick with an ordinary wheel setup. I never got the rear wheel to hold air in a tubeless tire... so I gave up. Went back to my XTR's and 517's what was I ever thinking.
Value Rating:2Overall Rating:2

Submitted by Atlas a Cross Country Rider from Moscow, Idaho, USA
Date Reviewed: July 17, 2003
Duration Product Used:1 Year
Purchased At:Standard Issue with Bike
Strengths:Wheels take a beating and stay true. Very stiff. Great wheels if you plan to beat the hell out of your bike with drops, jumps, or a lot of sidehill riding.
Weaknesses:Heavy. Out of curiosity, I actually weighed each of my wheels on a laboratory scale (with skewers, cassette, tubes, and tires off) and found that both wheels were more than 30% heavier than advertised! That's just under 1.5 pounds more than advertised. And yes, the mud was cleaned off before weighing. Very difficult to install tire/tube when out on the trail with a hand pump.
Similar Products Used:Mavic CrossMax SL
Bike Setup:Trek Fuel 98 with factory setup with the following changeouts: Easton EC90 XC composite handlebar, Easton EA50 stem, LP Ergo barends, Mavic CrossMax SL wheelset, Shimano XT crank, Shimano XTR 11-32 cassette, Stratos XC Pro rear shock.
Bottom Line:Good product that will wear and tear very well. They are a major pain in the a$s if you get a flat on the trail. It's not fun to replace a tube and tire on the trail when it's 90 degrees and you're sweating like a mating boar hog. These wheels are NOT light, so they may not be the ideal for XC racers looking to minimize weight. And remember, triming the greatest amount of weight from the wheelset will yield significant improvements in power effiiency. This wheelset is now my spare...and a good one at that (they get a three to four flaming turds rating in my book).
Value Rating:3Overall Rating:4

Submitted by Yuri a from Allen, Texas, USA
Date Reviewed: April 27, 2003
Duration Product Used:6 months
Bottom Line:I'd just like to comment on the issue of tire fit with these rims.

As noted below, these rims can be VERY difficult to mount tires on, especially wire bead tires (e.g. road slicks). The trick is to set the first half of the bead down in the center channel (NOT in the hook of the rim edge) while you work the bead around the rest of the rim. If you do this, you can mount the bead with your bare hands.

The problem is this: once you've got the tire mounted, part of the bead will sit down in the center channel instead of in the hook of the rim edge. As noted by several posters below, when you subsequently inflate the tire, it will be oblong instead of round, since the bead is not evenly set in the rim. I just discovered this yesterday at a road rally, where I was trying to mount some Geax StreetRunners onto these rims before the ride. I struggled with these rims for a full hour before I finally gave up and just used another set of slicks on some old Bontrager Select rims that I had with me.

After reading the posts below, I tried to remount the tires today. I took Duncan Mackenzie’s advice below (“inflate until the beads seat properly then deflate to the required pressure”). Duncan is right – if you inflate the tire to a high enough pressure, the bead will seat properly.

How high? 130 PSI. I’m not kidding -- the gauge read 130 PSI when the bead finally snapped from the center channel up into the rim hook. Recommended max PSI for the StreetRunners is 75 PSI. I had to work pretty hard with a Blackburn track pump to get to 130 PSI. I sure would not want to have to do that with a mini-pump out on the middle of nowhere.

I would recommend doing several practice tire mountings before heading out on the trail, especially if you are using wire-beaded tires. Make sure that you can mount your tires easily with these rims and that your mini-pump/CO2 is capable of setting the bead properly.
Value Rating:3Overall Rating:3

Submitted by jonathon Farrell a Racer from ringwood
Date Reviewed: April 9, 2003
Favorite Trail:Manhole
Duration Product Used:1 Year
Purchased At:Town Cycle
Strengths:Just light, nothig else.
Weaknesses:Weak wheels. Rims ding easy. And they don't stay straight.
Similar Products Used:mavics, spinergy's, rynoslites, wtbs.
Bike Setup:the best you can buy.
Bottom Line:These wheels are definately not on my list again. They didn't even stay straight for two months. I have rode on them for 7 months, and constantly had them in the shop to be trued. Don't ever buy these wheels. They are the weakest wheels I've ever tried. The tubeless rims work great, but the wheel just can't hold it's own.
Value Rating:2Overall Rating:1

Submitted by Herb a from MA
Date Reviewed: March 27, 2003
Duration Product Used:1 Year
Strengths:Took a beating for a while.
Weaknesses:Rear hub failed on me. Had to have it fixed at my LBS. Also, the rim on the rear wheel actually broke apart from where the rim brakes had contact. This was after 1 year of riding. I saved the front wheel as a spare and bought some Mavic CrossRoc wheels.
Similar Products Used:Mavic CrossMax XL @ Mavic CrossRoc.
Bike Setup:Trek Fuel 98
Bottom Line:Had problems with tubeless tires. Ended up using tubes. The wheelset came with the bike but would not recommend them.
Value Rating:3Overall Rating:2

Submitted by Duncan Mackenzie a Cross Country Rider from Blenheim New Zealand
Date Reviewed: March 16, 2003
Favorite Trail:Jentree (nat champs track)
Duration Product Used:1 Year
Purchased At:LBS
Strengths:Weight, lateral strength, smooth bearings, durability
Weaknesses:tough changing tyres until you get the knack, then it's easy. As for all the complaints about not seating properly, when all else fails, read the instructions, inflate until the beads seat properly then deflate to the required pressure, sure works for me
Similar Products Used:Various Shimano hubs with hand built wheels focussing on durability
Bike Setup:stock Gary Fisher Paragon, wheels came as standard
Bottom Line:I'm around 190lb, ride hard and have always had to build wheels to stay in one piece. Have trued the rear once in 12 months with this set, run tubes and kevlar beaded tyres so can't comment on wire bead probs. Slightly susceptible to pinch flats if running low pressures and banging rocks. Will update this when I slip on some tubeless to address the pinch flat issue.
Value Rating:4Overall Rating:4

Submitted by Ken a Cross Country Rider from Pinckney MI
Date Reviewed: February 26, 2003
Favorite Trail:all of them.
Duration Product Used:6 months
Purchased At:LBS
Strengths:Light, look cool, tubeless...
Weaknesses:Impossible to install a tire on... Lightness adds some flexy is seems.
Bike Setup:Trek 8500
Bottom Line:Don't buy these if you expect to be able to repair a flat or switch a tire with ease... I spent hours putting on a new set of Suvival Pros. It is damn near impossible.
Value Rating:3Overall Rating:1

Submitted by Sean Brennan a Cross Country Rider from Denver, CO, USA
Date Reviewed: February 23, 2003
Favorite Trail:White Ranch
Duration Product Used:Less than 1 month
Price Paid: $300.00
Purchased At:Campus Cycles
Strengths:Nice Looking
Weaknesses:Absolutely impossible to mount tire!!!!
Similar Products Used:Mavic Crossmax
Bike Setup:Santa Cruz SL, XTR, bla bla bla.
Bottom Line:Don't buy these. It took me over an hour to mount tires on these! Then they wouldn't seal. I've been riding and working on bikes for many years now but the bontrager rep.(I emailed them about my problems) talked to me like I was some kind of idiot. I even talked to a very good bike mechanic at my local BS and he too has had a hell of alot of trouble with these wheels. His advice was to get rid of them and buy some Crossmax! I never rode them, sold them to some poor fool on Ebay, and bought some Crossmax. End of story.
Value Rating:1Overall Rating:1

Submitted by Ray Go a Weekend Warrior from Point Mugu, CA
Date Reviewed: December 14, 2002
Favorite Trail:Any Bay Area Trail full of single tracks.
Duration Product Used:Less than 1 month
Price Paid: $149.00
Purchased At:Suprego
Strengths:Looks GOOD. Seems to be strong. Passed my trash tests and it is still true. Light.
Weaknesses:It is difficult to install tires on this wheelset. But before you decide, read the rest of the review.
Similar Products Used:SunRims CR-17A (1996 Model), you're right I needed the upgrade badly. Very strong wheels or it could be the wheelsmith that built it for me.
Bottom Line:First of all, I can't complain about the price I paid for this wheelset. And before I bought them, I took advantage of this website and read the reviews. I don't have tubeless tires on them, I have tire/tube set-up on my wheelset. I figured ever since I been riding, 1992, I haven't really done much fixing flats on the trail. So I figured it's a risk worth taking, a well calculated risk.

But HOLY CRAP!!!!

It sure is difficult to put on and remove a tire from these babies. And if you are going to go tire/tube set-up like I did, don't even try installing a wire bead tire. Go with foldable tires if you can, Aramid or Kevlar Bead. It took me over 45 minutes per wheel and lots of profanity before I was succesful with my old Kenda wire beads. Like the other review on this page, the tire was out of round. I had to deflate and re-inflate a few times to adjust it and get it close to perfect. So I decided what the heck, I am going to upgrade my tires too, but guess what... I also had a hard time removing my wire bead tires. But the new tires went on easily, one with Aramid (Panaracer) and the other Kevlar (Intense) bead.

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Bottom Line: If you don't have a lot of reason to fix a flat on the trail, these are great wheels. If you've experienced lots of flat tires, don't even think about it.

For the price I paid for these - 4 FLAMIN Chilis...
Value Rating:4Overall Rating:4

Submitted by Chris a Cross Country Rider from Annapolis, MD
Date Reviewed: December 13, 2002
Duration Product Used:6 months
Price Paid: $200.00
Purchased At:Ebay baby
Strengths:Light, strong, tubeless.
Weaknesses:They can't make me food or hook me up with a swimsuit model...other than that, they rule.
Similar Products Used:Other Bontrager wheelsets, Mavic USTs, Crossmax
Bike Setup:Yes, it is.
Bottom Line:Yes, seating a tubeless tire is more difficult that seating a tubed one. No, it is not that big of a deal. The first time I installed tubeless (Hutchinsons) it took about 6 minutes a wheel, and they seated perfectly. Use a large volume pump, and work it like heck. The tires nearly seat themselves, if they have been installed anywhere close to where they need to end up.
On the trail, the rims have yet to need a truing, and I usually need one every ride or two (I am young, and not afraid to go fast and crash hard. Yet.) I have never had a problem with the "cheap" hubs, on any Bontrager model, actually. The wheelset, coupled with a tubeless tire, make for a pretty light upgrade over what you're probably riding if you're reading this. So, light, strong, and easy to use...those are good things.
Keep an eye on Ebay 'til the next guy upgrades his Sugar 2...
Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

Submitted by Guillermo Valiente a Cross Country Rider from Spain
Date Reviewed: November 17, 2002
Favorite Trail:everyone with mud and rocks
Duration Product Used:6 months
Strengths:They look great, but...
Weaknesses:But the performance is not great:
They are hard to mount/dismount tires when they get punctured (my hands show fresh wounds due to that "unfrequent" operation).
Besides that, there's no way to get the tire bead inside the rim's interior walls properly, what causes the wheel is not perfectly round, as if it wasn't trued. It makes the wheel very uncomfortable, specially on asphalted surfaces.
Similar Products Used:Mavic Crossride
Bike Setup:Trek 8500 ZR9000,2002, everything stock except pedals (I rescued my old Shimanos 747's)
Bottom Line:I can't stand them any longer, so Mavic, please, forgive me, I am coming back home.
Value Rating:2Overall Rating:1

Submitted by Dave a Cross Country Rider from Lizella, GA USA
Date Reviewed: November 12, 2002
Duration Product Used:3 months
Price Paid: $250.00
Strengths:Good Finish, Seems Strong
Weaknesses:I have tried a Hutchinson Python, Specialized Rockster and a Maxxis Larsen Tubeless and a Continental Tubed tire. All tires I tried were extremely hard to mount and the sealing strip is pulled away from the rim
Similar Products Used:Mavic Cross Roc, Specialized Stuff
Bike Setup:2001 Specialized FSR Pro, Thomson Post and Stem, Selle Italia SLR, Answer Hyper Lite Bar and XTR Cranks, SID World Cup in Rollin Green.
Bottom Line:Way to hard to change a tire. I can change tires on Mavic wheels by hand, I have a totally trashed lever from working with the Bontrager. What looks and feels like a good all around wheel is ruined by the change hassle. This wheel was purchased as an emergency replacement on an extended trip from Vegas to Moab and back and will end up in the corner of the garage as soon as I can get new Mavics.
Value Rating:1Overall Rating:1

Submitted by chad a Cross Country Rider from brooklyn
Date Reviewed: September 9, 2002
Duration Product Used:1 Year
Strengths:Strong wheels, affordable, tubeless
Weaknesses:none whatsoever
Bike Setup:klein attitude comp
Bottom Line:These are excellent wheels. After switching out the tube/tire with a tubeless tire set up (Hutchinson Mosquitos work perfectly with these wheels) I've had no problems and no more pinch flats. Using some stan's tire sealant, I don't even lose any air (1-2 psi is typical overnight loss running tubeless)anymore. I really can't complain about anything with these wheels. The hubs are cheap, but i didn't spend 700 bucks on a crossmax wheelset so i can't complain. They're very strong, very affordable, and fast. Seating the bead is only hard the first time you do it (learning curve), and if you seat it with a little water, you won't have any airloss. As for taking forever to change the tire on a trail, throw a tube in, just like you would with a regular wheelset. they're really not hard to change. What is the complaint exactly? I hear a lot of whining about tubeless but I think people aren't properly informed about their maintenance/installation or haven't really given it the effort. this is a solid wheelset.
Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

Submitted by Chris a Cross Country Rider from Ft Collins, CO
Date Reviewed: August 28, 2002
Duration Product Used:6 months
Price Paid: $2200.00
Purchased At:On Sugar 2+
Strengths:Light, seem to be durable. Look good (Black, with Black spokes).
Weaknesses:The front is wheel is ‘Flexy’; maybe that is the Psylo fork issue though. I thought that the Radial lacing was supposed to make it stiffer?
Bottom Line:First off, let me start by saying these were stock on my Sugar 2+, and I personally never run low enough pressure to justify a tubeless system anyway. That being said, they were sold to me with the conventional tube/tire setup. That made no sense to me, but the sales person said “that is so you can upgrade to tubeless later”. Anyway, when I decide to upgrade my $2200 bike later, I will keep that in mind. First, and most important, what is up with the rim tape/rim seal. Holy Crap, taking a tube out or tire off one of these rims is about as much fun as putting your fingers in a fan. Takes at least 3X as long to fix a flat, and you show the wounds without consistent practice. I know it has to be tight to seal on a tubeless, but come on. Maybe they could invent a special tool, that way I could buy one of those. Also, the friggin' tire bead will not completely seat from the inside channel to the proper location on the upper channel next to the sidewall. This causes the wonderful sensation of riding on a wheel that is out of round; because in fact, it is. I originally thought it was a faulty tire, but I have tried different configurations/tires to test this faulty hypothesis. I have done every stretch, pull, manipulation and trick I can think of to get the bead to seat next to the rim, with no luck. The only time I have been able to make it work properly was with a brand new tire (or a newer tire). It is really too bad because overall it is a durable wheelset; but God help you if you get a flat out riding. Obviously the engineer who designed the tubeless functionality never changed a tube on one of these little gems. While I am on the subject, what exactly makes this a 'Race' wheelset anyway? Last time I was in a race, a ten minute tube change means you finish in a different class. Guess that is more marketing than function, just my opinion though. Anyway, you can tell I am not bitter at all. Truth is, no matter how well the wheels perform (and in my opinion they perform pretty well), what is the point if after changing the tube, the tire bead fails to completely seat next to the rim. I now have a repaired tire that is out of round. Try riding that out of round tire for two hours. Just so you know, yes it really sucked, and I swore out loud every 3-5 minutes. Even after getting home, I was unable to solve the rim bead issue. A new tire was the only solution I could get to work. Not an option if I am out on a trail somewhere. Nice try Bontrager; I just wish you made stuff today, like you did back in the 90’s when I owned one of your bicycles. I know it’s not your fault. That’s the problem with one company owning everyone else.
Value Rating:2Overall Rating:1






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