Submitted by
Jerry
a
from La Verne, Ca USA Date Reviewed: December 1, 2005
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
Looks, Ease of set-up, stopping power and SUPER LIGHT!
Weaknesses:
None so far
Similar Products Used:
Shimano Deore
Bike Setup:
Who really cares?
Bottom Line:
I will admit it. I bought these because the reviews are great but also because they look hot.Yes, I wanted the orange-rust color. Thought they would look good on my bike and they do! I put them on and expected excellent results and they didn't dissapoint. They truely are single digit. They modulate great even with my Shimano levers. Not really thrilled with the Rim Wrangler pads though. They seem to work really well but I've read that they are hard on rims so I will change to Koolstop. But this is on item that really works and is light!These definately get the gighest ratings.
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Submitted by
Alexandre Miranda
a Cross Country Rider
from Brazil Date Reviewed: March 25, 2005
Favorite Trail:
perdidas ("lost"), adeus mamae ("goodby mom")
Duration Product Used:
More than 3 years
Purchased At:
Tripp Aventuras
Strengths:
Good power and adjustments on the fly. I think it is light but never put on a scale.
Weaknesses:
After 3 years the entire setup have broken. Warranty dont replace none.
Similar Products Used:
xt
Bike Setup:
full xtr minus brakes
Bottom Line:
The brakes came with my bike. I'll try avid ti or xtr now (after another break off).
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Submitted by
Steve B
a Cross Country Rider
from Notts, England Date Reviewed: January 28, 2004
Favorite Trail:
Derbyshire
Duration Product Used:
More than 3 years
Price Paid:
$80.00
Purchased At:
Leisurelakes
Strengths:
Great stopping power, easy set up
Weaknesses:
Corrosion during winter months due to road salt
Similar Products Used:
xt,xtr
Bike Setup:
Scott Team Issue, XTR, Dura-Ace
Bottom Line:
These brakes are very light and easy to true and maintain. I have run them for nearly three years but every year during the cold seasons they fur up with white salts around the fitting and contact points. When cleaned down, pitting is evident, and once this erosion has started it is difficult to eradicate. Brakes have become so gnarled that I am now concerned about their strength!I have now switched to Avid Single Digit Ti's as the main body is not Magnesium and they are of comparative weight. I have also had similar problems with the Easton MG60 Mag stem!
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Submitted by
Henri von Steen
a Racer
from South Africa Date Reviewed: November 2, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Tsitsikama forests
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Purchased At:
Supergo
Strengths:
Very Light!! They weighed in @ 149g. Very good stopping power. Ditched my XTR V-brakes for them. They stoped just as good and is much lighter.
Weaknesses:
Bushings a bit loose, but it does not affect performance.
Similar Products Used:
Shimano XTR V-brakes
Bike Setup:
Giant MCM TEAM with ROCK SHOX World Cup 2004 and Mavic SL wheels
Bottom Line:
Very light very good brake system. The best I ever used for X-country.
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Submitted by
Chillihead
a Weekend Warrior
from Scotland, Perthshire Date Reviewed: June 20, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Glentress (Boundry)
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$80.00
Strengths:
Light as you like, no flex, period.
Weaknesses:
Non
Similar Products Used:
XT, ugly.
Bike Setup:
GT Zaskar race
Bottom Line:
The bottom line is that these brakes are faultless, unless the fact that they are no longer made is a failing.
My main comment here is that the level of customer service offered by Avid is awesome! I thoght that I was lost after crushing one arm of the brakes against a very nasty boulder. I broke my leg in 4 places and.........in 4 different ways.compound, greenstick, communated and spiral! The brakes however suffered one stripped thread on the spring tension adjuster. Tried to get spares in the UK always met with the same comments, contacted Avid, was sent, without asking new screws and adjusters! Hats off to AVID Anyone need replacement parts use their tech guy LonnieT really these guys deserve quality adulation!
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Submitted by
Ruinane
a Cross Country Rider
from Utah Date Reviewed: May 17, 2003
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$90.00
Purchased At:
ebay
Strengths:
Stops on a dime. Easy to adjust.
Weaknesses:
Until I got a front shock to keep my wheel on the ground I was afraid to use my front brake because it was so powerful.
Similar Products Used:
Shimano Deore cantilever
Bike Setup:
Stock 1993 Kona Lava Dome, 1988 Marzocchi z2 atom bomb
Bottom Line:
Excellent brake. Easily adjustable. Can fine-tune it to rider preferences. Stops you quick. Light.
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Submitted by
chris
a Cross Country Rider
from winnipeg Date Reviewed: May 9, 2003
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$55.00
Purchased At:
ebay
Strengths:
lightweight. consistent, strong stopping power. easy to install.
Weaknesses:
occasional squeek when wet
Similar Products Used:
SD3.0's
Bike Setup:
2001specialized m4
Bottom Line:
These brakes rock. I got them new off of ebay. They are easy to install (it took me about half an hour total), and believe me, i'm no technical guru. I immediately noticed a difference over the SD3.0's. They stop on a dime, flex less, and have required no adjustments since putting them on my bike. I highly recommend these brakes. 5 flamin turds all around.
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Submitted by
Walter Guan
a
from Subang Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia Date Reviewed: April 30, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Hmm...
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$65.00
Purchased At:
Bikepro (LBS)
Strengths:
Power, modulation, weight and to top it of, it looks way COOL!
Weaknesses:
rear flexes a little
Similar Products Used:
Tektro
Bike Setup:
GT Zaskar, SD Mag, XT levers, Judy race with total air, WTB motoraptors...
Bottom Line:
This is a damn superb brakeset! Tried my friends XT's and this set of brakes almost doubles its power(now he uses SD Mags)!Beats the power of XTR's. Good price too(65 a pair). Ultra light! Rear brakes not powerful enough(compared to Maguras) but its so much lighter and cheaper so i'm not complaining. Get this(Every one! unless you're planning to go discs), its superior to XTR's(and cheaper).
FULL FLAMING CHILLIS!
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Submitted by
d white
a Cross Country Rider
from CO Date Reviewed: December 26, 2002
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Price Paid:
$60.00
Purchased At:
mail order
Strengths:
stopping power, lightweight
Weaknesses:
none really. the noodle can rub a little on the arm when used during fork/shock actuation, but not a problem. I just put a clear-coat sticker in the area to guard against future surface abrasion.
Similar Products Used:
XT nonsense, first generation Avids.
Bike Setup:
all kinds of stuff.
Bottom Line:
Have not had any problems with these brakes in nearly two years of riding. They are very strong stoppers and I trust them implicitly. I have two pairs: The copper ones on a Titus Racer-X and the grey ones on a Jamis Komodo. I won't ride anything else.
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Submitted by
Cliff
a
from Nevada Date Reviewed: December 11, 2002
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$30.00
Purchased At:
Supergo
Strengths:
One last followup to previous info. Add a BIG customer service strength
Weaknesses:
Same
Similar Products Used:
Shimano
Bike Setup:
Y bike w/upgrades (M517 XTR, Stylo Team, Bontrager, RFace, SID Race, Cane Creek, etc)
Bottom Line:
Talked to the Avid Tech guy. Outstanding customer service!!!! The info is: Mag out of production for 2 years. Spec on bushing play is 2mm at end of arm (where cable/noodle bracket atchs). Zero play like XTR or Avid Ultimate uses a different (better) bearing setup. You should be able to get the bearing play back to less than 2mm by using a slightly thicker washer available from Avid but have to push out the pressed end cap to install - not a problem using a hex wrench "drift". OK, more flames because of outstanding Avid customeer support and an easy fix to the bushings - And all the previous strengths. Don't know about downhill but a great brake 4 XC riding; using with Avid 2.0L levers and WTB dual compound inserts. Way to go Avid... ride on.
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Submitted by
don
a Cross Country Rider
from redlands, ca, usa Date Reviewed: December 9, 2002
i got these brakes slightly used from ebay. i bought the levers brand new off of ebay also (good prices). i highly recommend these breaks for xc riders. i went from center-pull to the avids and the difference of breaking power was tremendous. i had to find other methods to strengthen my grip, 'cause the avids take very little grip stength.
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Submitted by
Cliff
a Cross Country Rider
from City of Lights Date Reviewed: December 8, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Blue Diamond
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$40.00
Purchased At:
Supergone
Strengths:
Same as yesterday's posting. This is a followup.
Weaknesses:
Like before, bushing play
Similar Products Used:
STX, XTR 951, generic (alloy)
Bike Setup:
Trek Y
Bottom Line:
This is what the world is anxiously awaiting, brake weights, direct from the USPS lobby digital metering scales, totally unscientific random sample size of 1:
Avid Mag rear brake, new out of the box, total with pads and hardware (bolts, noodle, overcoat) is 159 grams.
XTR 951 rear brake, as new/never run, "out of the box", total with pads and hardware is 198 grams.
(My old OEM generic somethings-worked OK-are 235 g total)
Ratings still the same even though Mags aren't quite as light as I thought. $89 retail!!! YGBSM. Wonder if there's a way to tighten up those bushings on the SD Mags.... Calling Avid in the morning. By the way, like the guy below said, the instructions are really doggie poo.
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Submitted by
Cliff
a Cross Country Rider
from Las Vegas NV USofA Date Reviewed: December 7, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Single track
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$30.00
Purchased At:
SUPERGO
Strengths:
Lightweight. Looks really good w/magnesium finish, cartridge pads
Weaknesses:
bushing slop
Similar Products Used:
STX, Generics, XTR 951
Bike Setup:
Trek Y - All overkill upgraded xcept brakes
Bottom Line:
Cool brakes, cart. pads, lightest I've had a chance to try, finish is exceptional. Problem is that the bushings, brand new, ie just installed them, have as much slop/play as the old worn generics that were on the bike. Called Supergo tech and it's unknown to them; so will return to Supergo. Have a new set of rims and don't want to put a "loose" set of calipers against them. I checked out the mtbr of brakes and these rate very high??? Anyone know if maybe Avid started a new assembly line somewhere and they just haven't tightened up the tolerances? Or seconds? Or if these brakes, or all SD except Ultimates are like this and it really isn't a problem? Don't know whether to go back to XTR or try SD-7s. Anyone out there bought a set of SD-7 lately and checked out the bushings for play when installing? Incidently, I pulled the XTR brakes off my other bike and put them on this one just to make sure I wasn't missing something; and NO bushing play at all, completely free pivoting but no front to rear looseness -NADA!!!
By the way, since I had everything off both bikes on the rear calipers, I weighed the complete setups (including hardware) and the SD Mags are about 60 grams lighter. Weight difference is in the arm assemblies as the hardware (noodles, allen bolts, etc) shows about the same for each brand. Since my scale isn't calibrated for absolute grams, (difference should be good) I'll stop by a calibrated scale tomorrow and post another review if this weight difference is off by much. Where's my weight weenie tranquilizers... Don't seem to have very good luck with Supergo stuff so giving up on them. Firey flamer rating is ok for value since strengths (see above)are there and paid $30 for each brake - great posers; but only 2 fiery chunks for overall as I wouldn't run that loose a setup on a good ride.
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Submitted by
Roscoe
a Weekend Warrior
from Colorado Springs, Colorado Date Reviewed: November 5, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Porcupine Rim, Jones Park
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Price Paid:
$95.00
Purchased At:
Cambria Bike
Strengths:
Light; great stoppers; look good if that matters to you; stay adjusted and don't ever sqeal.
Weaknesses:
Maybe a little flexy, but not noticable or detremental to their performance.
Similar Products Used:
Shimano LX (good brakes) and XT (crappy, squealing things) V-Brakes.
After two hard years of using these brakes, all I can say about them is awesome. I have recently retired them as I have gone to dics, but they will remain on my other bike, as they are by far the best stoppers in all conditions. They never squealed and had great modulation at the levers (XTs). They work great and if you can find them on sale, pick up a set and enjoy!
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Submitted by
Adam
a
from New York Date Reviewed: August 24, 2002
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$58.00
Purchased At:
Ebay
Strengths:
Light-weight, strong, very low maintenance, beautiful, ridiculously grippy, NO Squeak!!
Weaknesses:
A little dear, but you get what you pay for...
Similar Products Used:
Specialized brakes, center-pull brakes
Bike Setup:
Specialized Hard Rock A1 FS, Thomson post, Specialized Pro Saddle, Titec Pork Rinds, Airborne skewers, and of course Avid mag brakes.
Bottom Line:
This is truly a benchmark product, and is definitely worth buying if you are willing to spend the money and search for them.
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Submitted by
notaFred
a Cross Country Rider
from Philadelphia, PA Date Reviewed: August 4, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Wissackon Park
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$90.00
Purchased At:
Supergo
Strengths:
Light. Really light. Easy to install and setup (if you know your brake systems).
Weaknesses:
The installment directions and advisories were photocopied and basically illegible; even the diagrams and pics. The photocopies weren't even aligned on the page so I got about 2/3 of the directions.
Similar Products Used:
Shimano, Avid (disk), Hayes, Hope
Bike Setup:
Does it matter..?
Bottom Line:
I was able to score both brakes and AD-7 levers for less than $100, including 2nd day shipping. Installation took about 30 min. total time, including test ride.I just used common sense when setting them up on the bike, since the directions weren't even fit to be a coaster for my drink. These brakes are strong. They stop very well and the levers have a massive amount of adjustment built into them. Do they stop like disks? No way, but this is the closest you will come to the disk power for $100 (for both wheels). Excelent modulation and 'feel' come from these brakes.
I gave them 4 chili's because of the directions (or lack of). I am glad that I know about parallel-push brakes. If I didn't, I would have to have a shop install them. Even if I had to go to a shop for installation, it would still be a good deal .. not a great deal ... a good one none the less .. If you have stock parallel-push brakes, this is a great upgrade. If you have cantilevers, maybe you should buy a new bike by now .. BWAHAHAHA
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Submitted by
CLayton
a Downhiller
from Ontario. Canada Date Reviewed: July 13, 2002
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
Epic ride
Strengths:
Amazing stopping power, loooks and reliability so far...
Weaknesses:
price! but who cares
Similar Products Used:
xtr, xt
Bike Setup:
01 scab, dirtjumper 2, ....
Bottom Line:
These brakes will stop you quick. i recomend them to everyone, they are a little pricey but ya...
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Submitted by
Seung
a Weekend Warrior
from San Diego CA Date Reviewed: July 12, 2002
Duration Product Used:
Tested or demo'ed only
Price Paid:
$45.00
Purchased At:
Supergo
Strengths:
Got them at supergo.com who's having a sale for them at $30 plus shipping of $7. I have the XT currently and they blow so hard I hate them. They sqeak like mad and embarass me. I can't wait to get the Avids since they are so simple, they last and they work instead of being fancy and crappy. I bought shimano XT rears a few months ago and they are beginning to sqeak and fade already. Don't know if it's just the pads. But I'm moving to these Avids from now on. Get the set for like $70.
Weaknesses:
Don't know yet.
Similar Products Used:
XT
Bike Setup:
Cannondale F1000
Bottom Line:
Got a sweet deal on them. No more sqeaking from my XT front brakes.
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Submitted by
Mikey
a Cross Country Rider
from San Francisco, CA Date Reviewed: June 24, 2002
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$55.00
Purchased At:
eBay
Strengths:
Light weight (160g including bolts, pads & noodle on a postal scale), killer stopping power & modulation.
Weaknesses:
None yet
Similar Products Used:
Avid SD-5
Bike Setup:
2001 Sugar 2, XT levers
Bottom Line:
Wow, these are better than I expected. I got them cheap on eBay - $48+shipping, brand new. Seller was "elguapogrande" and has been selling new Avid Mag brakes & levers every week for the last month or two. I have 3 rides on them so far.
I just expected the 100g weight savings vs my Avid SD 5's and similar performance. But they stop SOO much better than the SD 5's. I even had new Koolstop Thinline pads recently on my SD5's, but these brakes with the Rim Wrangler cartridge pads are worlds better.
Stops fantastically, excellent modulation - each little bit of pressure on the levers produces noticably more stopping power, no fade. I just came down Mt Tam's Eldridge grade / Indian Fire Trail / Blithedale Ridge - 5 miles of continuous descent, and the brakes didn't fade at all - still had full easy power all the way to the bottom.
Though they've been discontinued by Avid due to plant safety problems manufacturing Magnesium, find them & get them while you can (eBay and Pricepoint have them).
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Submitted by
Derek
a Cross Country Rider
from Edmonds, WA Date Reviewed: May 17, 2002
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Purchased At:
Came with Stumpjumper
Strengths:
Very light, easy setup, looks killer, simple design works better than others without a parallel push system.
Weaknesses:
None
Similar Products Used:
Avid SD 10, others
Bike Setup:
'01 Stumpjumper with some cool stuff
Bottom Line:
I work at a shop, and try out several different brakes each day. And I must say that, besides Avid discs, these are the best brakes I've ever experienced for power, modulation, and setup, rim or disc. Very very nice, and cheaper than XTR I believe (if you can find them). Lighter than the new Ultimates too. Just don't get the Mag levers as well, because they bend/break quite easily.
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Submitted by
pete
a Weekend Warrior
from Dallas, Ga Date Reviewed: February 26, 2002
Favorite Trail:
Bear Creek
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Price Paid:
$90.00
Purchased At:
The
Strengths:
no linkage to wear out, more of a "direct" feel between lever and rim, light weight
Weaknesses:
none yet
Similar Products Used:
Shimano LX, XT, XTR,
Bike Setup:
'98 Stumpy, C King Race Lites, easton carbon lo-riser, pythons, race-face, etc.
Bottom Line:
These brakes were such a big improvement that I will never go back to the big "s" I also ordered the SRP Ti bolt kit and it made these the lightest brakes as well-you wouldn't believe the difference in weight after you install the kit.These have been great and seem a little harder to keep in adjustment but that could just be me. They also needed some Macguyver work on the springs when I got them but I feel they're well worth the trouble. 4 chilies because of the minor tweaking to get them perfect which shouldn't be neccessary at this price
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Submitted by
Rick
a Cross Country Rider
from Colorado Date Reviewed: February 7, 2002
Favorite Trail:
White Ranch
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Purchased At:
Speedgoat
Strengths:
Decent modulation and feel, but newer XTRs are better in both categories, and even though Avids are fairly easy to set-up, XTR has even simpler alignment set-up.
Weaknesses:
Overpriced and overweight. Other than the infamous "light-weight," there's seems to be no reason that the brakes should have been priced as they were. To top it off, Avid has now switched their pad design to Shimano-compatible, and its not easy, at least in my experience, to find the first generation pads anymore.
Similar Products Used:
XTR, Hayes Hydraulic.
Bike Setup:
Sola - XTR, Crossmax, SID.
Bottom Line:
Save money and hassle and get the XTR and avoid the first generation pads unless you want to run around to all the local bike shops.
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Submitted by
Jim S
a Weekend Warrior
from Louisville, KY Date Reviewed: December 22, 2001
Favorite Trail:
still looking
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
light, strong, simple
Weaknesses:
none
Similar Products Used:
LX, XT (parallel push), Avid SD-7
Bike Setup:
2001 Stumpjumper M4 Pro
Bottom Line:
get rid of Shimano brakes and install high end avid brakes. Shimano parallel push is great in theory but the mechanism wears out to quickly and you end up with alot of play in the mecahinism. I'm a loyal user of numerous Shimano parts. I however prefer good Avid brakes levers as well as a SRAM chain with Powerlink. Its kinda tough to give these a value rating since I didn't pay for them individuall, they were OEM on the bike. A nice OEM I must say.
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Submitted by
Jeff
a Cross Country Rider
from Milford MI Date Reviewed: December 6, 2001
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$80.00
Purchased At:
EBAY
Strengths:
Light Weight, Incredible stopping power, ease of maintenance. Adjustability of the speed dial levers.
Weaknesses:
None
Similar Products Used:
none
Bottom Line:
I paid 80.00 for the maglevers and brakes complete off of Ebay. I think I got a great deal considering the cannondale expert brakes I replaced sucked. These have excellent modulation and feel and I have no noise to contend with. Avid obviously makes a great product and I am a convert. If you want v-brakes that will instill confidence and make you more consistent on the single track buy these.
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Submitted by
Chris
a Racer
from Windsor, Ont. Canada Date Reviewed: December 1, 2001
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$84.00
Purchased At:
Curtacy Bicycly
Strengths:
Great stopping power Really light weight
Weaknesses:
I am suffering for EWS (Empty Wallet Syndrome) Paint is chipping a little (no worrys)
These brakes are really good. You pay alot of money but its worth every penny.
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Submitted by
KOnian
a Weekend Warrior
from Singapore Date Reviewed: August 14, 2001
Favorite Trail:
anything off road
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$70.00
Purchased At:
LBS
Strengths:
Copper colour! Very light weight! Very powerful but well modulated grip!
Weaknesses:
Haven't found yet
Bike Setup:
Frame, wheels, saddle, handlebar, stems, pedals, crank, chain, etc. etc.
Bottom Line:
Very light yet powerful! More importantly, this brake grips better than any other cable rim brakes I've ever tried!
Works well in the wet and muddy. Works evern better in the dry!
Have yet to lock up the front wheel yet.
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Submitted by
Daryl
a Racer
from Webster, Texas Date Reviewed: June 8, 2001
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$90.00
Purchased At:
Price Point
Strengths:
Color (grey), Power, Little things like the brake noodle and L-bend
Weaknesses:
None
Similar Products Used:
XTR, single digit 20
Bike Setup:
DEAN Colonel,XTR, Crossmax, Time, Titec, Easton, Thomson, Avid single digit Ti
Bottom Line:
This is a review for the SD-Ti brakes. These brakes are really unbelievable. With such a simple design, Avid managed to create the strongest rim brake made. I use these to race with, so they have to work good and be right on. They never fail. My XTR brakes are good, but these are like a pair of visegrips. I never worry about these not stopping me on a 20 mph downhill singletrack. I find them to be lightweight as well. I did not notice as much flex as the XTR's either. I run the flack jacket cables and XTR levers and I have no complaints at all. This is a killer combination.
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Submitted by
Eric
a Cross Country Rider
from Mountain View Date Reviewed: May 16, 2001
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$100.00
Purchased At:
cambria bikes
Strengths:
Great Brakes
Weaknesses:
Hard to find. No LBS carries them, and I'm in the SF Bay Area. Had to order on-line.
These brakes are great. I've used Shimano XT V-brakes for the past few years. The fronts finally got to the point where they were well past the point of being safe; there was so much play in the linkage I was amazed that they still hit the rim. I replaced them with Avid's since there was no linkage to wear out. I'm glad I did. I now have two sets (one set of TI, one set of Mags). They're easy to adjust. Good modulation. And no linkage to wear out!
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Submitted by
John anderson
a Downhiller
from Spartansville, south carolina, usa Date Reviewed: April 12, 2001
Favorite Trail:
DS AT CLEMSON
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$70.00
Purchased At:
friend
Strengths:
THESE BRAKES ARE BY FAR THE BEST CABLE BRAKES EVER. THE ONLY THING BETTER GOOD BE THE AVID MAGS WITH BOOSTERS. COOL COLOR TOO, EASY TO SET UP, NOT MUCH MANTIENCE
VERY GOOD BRAKES TO BE CABLE BRAKES. A GOOD COMBO IS WITH XT SHIFTER AND LEVER COMBO SET. MY FRIEND HAS THE XT BRAKES AND THOSE THINGS SOUND WORSE THAT YOUR MAMA DID LAST NIGHT, ALSO HIS FEEL SQUISHY. ANYWAYS, WE BOTH HAD THE SAME LEVERS AND MY AVIDS CLAMPED LIKE A VICE AND WERE A LOT STRONGER AND WERE QUIET. THEY ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST CABLE-ACTUATED BRAKES EVER, AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE, BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!
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Submitted by
Scott Bays
a Cross Country Rider
from Bonneau, SC Date Reviewed: March 24, 2001
Favorite Trail:
Tsali, Thompson Loop
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$60.00
Purchased At:
price point
Strengths:
Light, stopping power, modulation
Weaknesses:
price
Similar Products Used:
Shimano XT, XTR
Bike Setup:
Litespeed
Bottom Line:
These perform just as well as Shimano (maybe better), are lighter, and reqire less maintenance. I could take or leave the color (at least they're not pink). No complaints so far (except maybe cost), as long as they're durable.
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Submitted by
Jeffrey Kennedy
a Racer
from Winchester, TN, USA Date Reviewed: March 11, 2001
Favorite Trail:
lula lake
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$140.00
Purchased At:
bike shop
Strengths:
good modulation, easy to adjust, copper color, powerful!
Weaknesses:
so light my bike tries to float away
Similar Products Used:
lx, xt, xtr, tektro
Bottom Line:
if you can swallow the price and the copper color, this is the brake for you. they are very powerful compared to any shimano crap, and they are light as a feather
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Submitted by
aVF
a
from Texas Date Reviewed: February 13, 2001
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$90.00
Purchased At:
BikeWorld
Strengths:
-Lightweight -Modulation (with the assistance of Speed Dials) -No squealing after break-in
Weaknesses:
None so far
Similar Products Used:
Avid 1.0, Magura HS-33
Bike Setup:
00 Klein Mantra with assorted goodies
Bottom Line:
The Mags are light yet stop your bike like they were built heavy duty. I am happy with these brakes. I can't wait to get the titanium hardware upgrade. My Mags are mated with Speed Dial 7 levers. With my current dial settings, I get good modulation (comparable to the HS-33s I had).
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Submitted by
XaMieL
a Cross Country Rider
from Toronto Date Reviewed: January 27, 2001
Favorite Trail:
Road, Dirt, Anything goes
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$120.00
Purchased At:
Trail Blazers Cycles
Strengths:
Super light, strong braking force
Weaknesses:
nothin'
Similar Products Used:
Avid Arch Rival 4's, Shimano LX, Avid Mech Disc
Bike Setup:
The Good Stuff
Bottom Line:
These brakes are awesome.
I have them paired with the mag levers and I must say that the two set up together really work well and look smokin'. I had them set up in no time and even with my bike still clamped in the stand I could already tell the difference. The design is top notch and so simple its almost stupid. I mean that in a nice way of course. Lets face it they don't look that complicated but they work damn well.
I have a pair of LX brakes which felt like mush and there is no comparison. The Mags clamp like a vice. I orginally had the Arch Rivals (Good brakes too!) on my bike and was thinking discs for my XC ride but then went into weight weenie mode. Beside the copper colour on my black and gold Rocky really sets it off. Nice.
I am sold on the Avid line and I hope they keep up the good quality work.
Four smokin' Shimano's cause I paid through the nose. The price I paid was in Canadian funds. Each pair. You do the math. Five because these brakes rule
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Submitted by
Scooter
a Racer
from Roseville Ca Date Reviewed: January 4, 2001
Favorite Trail:
Foresthill divide loop trail
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$59.00
Purchased At:
City Bicycle Works, Citrus Heights
Strengths:
Power Modulation Weight Color Setup time Not Shimano
DEAN Oscar, SID SL, Kooka levers and cranks, canecreek seatpost, Sun Ringle' RPM wheels, Monkeylight riser, XT where it counts
Bottom Line:
These Brakes are the best V-brake on the market!!!
The power is unbeatable.
I'm using these brakes in combination with Kooka's V levers and the feel is awesome. Besides being the lightest setup they work great and I have not had a problem with them since purchasing them.
I work at a shop so I get a discount but I would probably still buy them and if not the mags definitly the SD25's. I ordered the grey but they sent me the coppoer color instead but it turned out looking a hell of alot better.
I would recomend the SD25's for the average rider but if you have the $$$ buy the mags, you won't be disappointed.
For the price they blow XTR out of the water
5 flamming shimano V brakes
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Submitted by
Charles Coker
a Cross Country Rider
from Austin, TX Date Reviewed: October 20, 2000
Favorite Trail:
City Park, anything MORE technical
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
ligtht, stiff, work awesome
Weaknesses:
none yet
Similar Products Used:
XT, XTR, Single Digits, Arch Rival 50s, Magura HS33s all of which I have owned and used extensively on the same bike in the same conditions
Bike Setup:
custom Racerx
Bottom Line:
these work flat out I am using them with anodized black Avid Ultimate Levers (worth the price, seriously)
I liked the HS33s I was using before this setup but I got in a weight weenie mode and so enter the SD Mags and Ultimate levers...
_everyone_ who has ridden my bike comments on the brakes everyone...
now, that could be my stellar setup of course :)
I was really surprised how well these work strong braking and excellent modulation
now, to be honest, the levers have a LOT to do with that the Avid levers (even the cheaper ones) flat out blow away Shimano levers, no comparison
I got the standard grey color, not the copper ones
I am using the stock pads and no squeal on Mustang ceramic rims whatsoever
Charles Coker hammerheadbikes.com
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Submitted by
Allen
a Cross Country Rider
from Atlanta, Ga Date Reviewed: October 18, 2000
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$45.00
Purchased At:
Pricepoint.com
Strengths:
Very light, sharp looking, magnesium baby! Very easy to set up, any sort of advanced primate could put these brakes on.
Weaknesses:
The only thing I can think of is that when you tighten the pad the the brake arm, it leaves a circular mark on the arm taking off some of the copper paint. But hey, you can't really see it.
Similar Products Used:
2000 XT's
Bike Setup:
no one read's this anyways.....
Bottom Line:
Awesome as crap. Pretty cheap I think. You can easily shave off a half a pound off your bike. Looks great....even if nothing on your bike is copper colored.
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2 Fast Jack
a Racer
from Fowlerville, MI Date Reviewed: October 18, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Pontiac Lake Trail
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$45.00
Purchased At:
Jenson USA
Strengths:
Stand Out Color in a Sea of Drab XTR Grey Absolutely Rim Bending Braking Strength
Weaknesses:
NONE !!!!
Similar Products Used:
Shimano LX, XT, XTR
Bike Setup:
GT LTS 1000 XTR and Raceface Everything
Bottom Line:
This just happens to be one of those products that makes you really appreciate buying new expensive components for your bike.
Everything about this brake is worth the $90 a pair I spent at Jenson. The color is really more of an orange metallic than copper which matched up perfectly with the orange GT used on the LTS. Machine work and craftsmanship are top notch which helps to ease the pain of spending this much on a non-linkage oriented brake arm. Braking force could be compared to that of a vice...absolutely astounding for something that weighs so little. Even set up was a breeze, 20 minutes tops and not even a hint of any squeeking. (A reacurring problem I've had with all the new equal push Shimano brakes)
As for the weight issues.....GET OVER IT !! The numbers aren't that far off and the Mag is more rigid than the standard single digit brakes.
Bar none the best brakes I've ever owned....if only Shimano would take note.
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yk tAn
a Cross Country Rider
from Surrey, UK Date Reviewed: October 9, 2000
Favorite Trail:
newlands corner
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$45.00
Purchased At:
bikeworld.com
Strengths:
lightweight, looks good, good stopping power
Weaknesses:
pretty high price
Similar Products Used:
sd25, xt 00
Bike Setup:
orange ms isle, raceface stuff, chris king, avid stuff etc
Bottom Line:
Thought it was expensive but I wanted very much to replace my XT's which were too mushy whether I put them in the rear or in front so I got the mags.
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Submitted by
Todd
a Cross Country Rider
from Mankato MN Date Reviewed: October 5, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Mount Kato
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
Incredible Stopping Power Light Easy set up
Weaknesses:
None, I love Avid
Similar Products Used:
XTR, XT, LX, Avid 1.0
Bike Setup:
Santa Cruz Super Light, Avid, Manitou Mars C, Race Face, Bontrager Valients, Hugi 240s, Thomson...
Bottom Line:
The best v-brake I've ever owned or used. You shouldn't need a whole lot of braking if you like to fly, but you shouldn't have to squeeze the heck out of your levers when you do need to trim the speed down. Compared to all of the Shimano stuff, Avids seem way more sensitive and therefore more responsive. The speed dial levers are also sweet. You can't go wrong with avids, whether 25's or disc, Avid's got it goin' on.
5 serious chilis...
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Submitted by
Mike
a Weekend Warrior
from San Diego Date Reviewed: September 23, 2000
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Nicely sculpted shape, great brake pads, just bolt on & go! Excellent modulation with my old Avid Ultimates w/V-chips.
Weaknesses:
Absolutely none.
Similar Products Used:
Shimano XT
Bike Setup:
Jamis Dakar w/Judy SL
Bottom Line:
I replaced a set of XT's with these. My XT's had the rattles & I rebuilt them with the spacer kit and they were OK. Some birthday cash allowed me to purchase these as a replacement, even though my XT's were fine.
I was pleased to find a definite improvement in performance! There was better modulation & braking strength. Also, installation was a snap. I just bolted them on, adjusted the pad contact with the rim and off I went. I didn't even have to touch the tension adjustors, they were immediately centered. And there are no linkages to wear out & rattle!
If I wasn't spending gift money, I probably would have bought a set of Single Digit 25's instead. They are the same brake, just not magnesium & slightly heavier. Decide how much you want to spend & buy the one that fits your budget. But, buy a set of Avids for the performance they give. They are awesome!
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David Bolt
a
from Inverness Scotland Date Reviewed: September 10, 2000
Favorite Trail:
The mast
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
Bothy Bikes
Strengths:
Powerful Great modulation, especially if used with the matching levers! Look cool! Quite light!
Weaknesses:
Um, maybe a little slop in the brake arms, but thats being picky!
Similar Products Used:
Shimano LX and DX
Bike Setup:
Y2K Gt Tempest, XT shifters, Panaracer tyres, these killer brakes, (still in the middle of upgrading)
Bottom Line:
Wow! The first time I saw these I said I must have them! Although quite expensive they are worth every penny! Powerful, great modulation with the adjustable know on the matcing levers and great copper colour! BUY THEM NOW!
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Submitted by
Matt
a Cross Country Rider
from Columbus Ohio Date Reviewed: September 4, 2000
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Great feel, awesome stopping power, good looks, lightweight
These brakes will stop you. The levers pull very smoothly, and the feel is great, wether you want to squeeze them off and lock up both wheels, or just feather them a little to set up in a corner. Who really cares about the slight weight difference? True one-finger braking. I work at a bike shop, so price wasn't an issue. These are the nicest brakes I've ever owned, hands down.
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Submitted by
JOHN
a Cross Country Rider
from FORT BRAGG CA Date Reviewed: August 30, 2000
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
Great stopping power with nice adjustablity.
Weaknesses:
The adjusting screw boss.
Similar Products Used:
none
Bike Setup:
fsr pro
Bottom Line:
These are great brakes, they are predictable and easy to adjust.The adjusting screw boss stripped out in less than 7 months.Iam not happy about that and even less in avids non response to my warranty querys. I still cann't deny that sure work well. The levers are a piece of art work. They feel good and the adustablity is easy to fine tune.
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Submitted by
Steve
a Cross Country Rider
from Fairfax, Virginia Date Reviewed: August 25, 2000
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Lightweight, adjustable, powerful, simple and worth every penny
Weaknesses:
none
Similar Products Used:
Shimano xt and xtr
Bike Setup:
Merin Fat Beat, Shimano xt and xtr drive train, Mavic, Race Face
Bottom Line:
I don't know about the weight of these brakes as compared to advertised weight or other similar products. That is a concern if Avid is misleading the consumer.
That issue aside, I do know that these brakes perform better than any other brake I've used to include xtr (which I've had on my other bike for more than a year). I love the adjustability and the color is great! These brakes have a smooth pull and are simple and sweet.
As for price, they were more in cost than other brakes of similar quality and construction, but worth every penny. If price is an issue for people, then don't purchase them. You would think that would be a simple concept for people wouldn't you? But time and again, I see product reviews by people complaining about the price of a product they purchased. Hello, don't buy it and then turn around and complain about the price!
Back to the weight issue. If these brakes are heavier, so what? I didn't notice anyone saying they were racers so why all the complaining about weight. The real issue is whether Avid has been intentionally misleading the consumer. If they are, then they at least owe us all apologies. So Avid, What's the answer? What is the true weight of the Mag brakes?
My bottom line is I'm pleased with the Avid Mags. I'd recommend these to anyone who loves riding off-road and I giv'em 5 flamin turds for value, but I'm withholding a turd overall until Avid tells us all the truth!
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Submitted by
a Cross Country Rider
from Discovery Bay,CA Date Reviewed: July 25, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Demonstration Forest
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
They are light and powerfull.
Weaknesses:
There is a little slop in the brake arms, but I don't know if this is a problem. My partner has XTR and there is no slop in his brakes, but I can lock them up the same as him.
Similar Products Used:
Since I switched to V-brakes,I've only tried a set of DiaComp's(DiaCrap)which I stole from my wife's bike.
Bike Setup:
2000 M4 Team
Bottom Line:
These brakes are light, powerfull, and easy to adjust. Exactly what I was looking for. They were more expensive than the others, but what the hell it's only money. I've been blowing money on moutain bikes for 12 years, whats a few more dollars. I need to put some miles on them before I give them 5 chili's, but so far they work fine.
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Submitted by
Steve
a Cross Country Rider
from Gilroy, CA Date Reviewed: July 10, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Demonstration Forest, Aptos
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
Powerful Brakes, Easy Setup, one finger braking
Weaknesses:
None that I discovered, People have been complaining about the weight, but it's still very light. We're only talking about 20 grams. That's less than an ounce for the whole brake system. I don't call that too much weight, but still more than they advertised it for.
Similar Products Used:
Shimano XT and XTR systems
Bike Setup:
Specialized FSR Pro F/S, 2000 model
Bottom Line:
These brakes came with my FSR Pro. When I took the bike out for it's first outting, the brakes were so powerful that I could not get used to them. After several more rides and breaking them in, they are still too powerful so I had to toe in the brake pads a bit more so that the brakes were easier to modulate. I feel these brakes are one of the best and most powerful on the market barring disk brakes. But with brakes like these, who needs disk brakes. I like the red adjusters for the lever sensitivity, but they look breakable if you should fall or hit something with it.
Other than that, these are the best stoppers I've ever owned and I've had both XT and XTR. True one finger braking.
Since I got these with my bike, I can't comment on its value rating. I'll give it 3 chilis for Value based on previous entries and 5 for Performance until the little red knobs break off.
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Submitted by
jim martin
a Cross Country Rider
from boulder Date Reviewed: July 10, 2000
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
easy set up, light, stop very well, look good
Weaknesses:
price, not as light as advertised (I guess), rear locks up in a split second
Similar Products Used:
old avid cantis b/c they were very light, XTR cantis, tried xtr V brakes, etc
Bike Setup:
Bontrager Race, dean stuff, judy xc(soon to be atom bomb)
Bottom Line:
I got these b/c they are lighter than Shimano & a colorado company. I got a 20 percent off coupon in the mail so mail ordered them. With the 20 percent off they were a good price. They stop very well & take much less effort than my old avids. I do not have a scale to weigh them so rely on others who said or posted that they are heavier than advertised. BTW, my wife has old XTR cantis on her bike & they work really well. If shocks still came with a hanger I might have got some xtr cantis. Bottom line is that I like them a lot, so far....
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Submitted by
geo
a Weekend Warrior
from missouri Date Reviewed: July 3, 2000
Favorite Trail:
chadwick
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
light weight incredible power great looks awesome adjustability
Weaknesses:
expensive and............. see below
Similar Products Used:
shimano lx diacomp center-pull
Bike Setup:
c'dale cad2 lots of coda, and lots of bottom end shimano
Bottom Line:
when i was installing the front brake, the spring pin that goes into the shock broke off!!!!! i pushed it back in, however i'm not thinking that this should happen. the brake seems to be working fine, and the stopping power is a huge jump up from the center-pulls that i was using. four tirds for the expense. five for the performance.
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Submitted by
Glenn W.
a Cross Country Rider
from Birmingham, AL Date Reviewed: June 29, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Ghost Rock
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
They work!
Weaknesses:
Not as light at advertised
Similar Products Used:
Shimano, Sram, Teck Tro
Bike Setup:
Fisher Supercalibar stock
Bottom Line:
Well what can I say these brake work very well! They look cool, man do they look cool on my bike. I have to copper ones and they really look cool. They are very adjustable and are very strong too! I can say that I really like these brakes. I think they are priced a little high but they are worth it. The weight is a little more that advertised but they are still darn light and I like them so.. You probably can find a deal on them by now, just look around. This really is a very nice brake!
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Submitted by
Michael G.
a Weekend Warrior
from Lexington, KY Date Reviewed: June 27, 2000
Favorite Trail:
What ever I can find!
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Strengths:
Weight, Color, looks, they just plain work, simple, made by Avid!
Weaknesses:
The copper color doesn't really match anything on my bike but it looks cool anyway!
Similar Products Used:
Avid ID 25, Shimano XTR/XT, SRAM 9.0/7.0
Bike Setup:
Klein Attitude Comp Custom, Sid XC, XTR...
Bottom Line:
Well I have had these brakes for while and man are they light! I know they aren't as light as what they say they are,but there are the lightest thing that I have tried. They don't flex or anything, they have great power for what weigh. I love how simple Avid products are! They are relatively cheap to other brakes out there. Well I think this is a great brake even though they aren't the cheapest out there I do really like them, and I feel that they are worth it! You really should give them a try!
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Submitted by
DENNIS
a Cross Country Rider
from TUCSON AZ. Date Reviewed: May 12, 2000
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
STIFF, LIVELY FEEL, IF USED WITH THE MATCHING LEVERS LOTS OF ADJUSTMENT, VERY COOL COLOR
Weaknesses:
NONE SO FAR
Similar Products Used:
XTR, XT,AVID 1.0,2.0,2.5
Bottom Line:
THERE ARE A FEW PLACES ON MY BIKE WHERE WEIGHT IS NOT AN ISUE (TO A POINT). THIS HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THEM.THE BRAKES PERFORM LIKE A CHAMP! BETTER THAN ANY OF THE SHIMANO PRODUCTS I'VE EVER HAD. EVEN THOUGH THE WERE HEAVIER THAN EXPECTED THERE STILL LIGHTER THAN XTR. AND A BETTER VALUE
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Sam
a Cross Country Rider
from Madison, WI Date Reviewed: March 24, 2000
Favorite Trail:
any
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
Awsome breaking power, pads, looks
Weaknesses:
spring tension set screw hole, WEIGHT!
Similar Products Used:
Shimano LX's, XT's
Bike Setup:
2000 Specialized M2 Pro
Bottom Line:
I got these on my new Specialized bike and the first pull on the rear break stripped the hole on the spring tension screw and poped it out. I haven't heard of this happening before, so I'll give Avid the benifit of the doubt and only knock 1/2 a chili, but seeing as how I was very excited to ride my new bike I took some Shimano LX's off an old bike and temporarily installed those. Upon removal I found that the LX's were lighter than the mags! That was a little disapointing, but I don't think that weight is everything, I'll just take a piss before I go riding to make up for the weight :)
Even though these breakes were over weight and the screw hole stripped, they still have awsome breaking power(at least the front one), better than the LX on the rear. I love the pads and the way they look too.
For value I'll give them a 2 because the XT's should perform just as good and weigh less too, but for overall I'll give them a 3 since they perform well.
Bottom line: Unless they come with the bike buy XT's, they're lighter and perform at least as well as the mags.
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Submitted by
Steve Yodrap
a Racer
from Happyville, Trail Kingdom, Botswanan Date Reviewed: March 7, 2000
Favorite Trail:
Snail
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
Gray. Simple.
Weaknesses:
139 gms --- NOT!
Similar Products Used:
Shimano '98 LX
Bike Setup:
Jamis Dakar, SID, Ti this-n-that, 21.7# of dualie race pleasure
Bottom Line:
Brad speaks truth. I even e-mailed Avid before the purchase and asked "does that 139 GRAMS include pads/hardware?" AND THE ANSWER WAS AN UN-EQUIVOCATED "YES"!!! I wish I had never given the ole LX's to the girlfriend, I spent too much for too little. What a gip!
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Submitted by
Brad Hartsock
a Cross Country Rider
from Phoenix, AZ Date Reviewed: March 3, 2000
Favorite Trail:
doesn't matter
Duration Product Used:
Tested or demo'ed only
Strengths:
pewter looks great...stiff arms...awesome pads
Weaknesses:
expensive compared to regular single digits...weight is NOT 139g.
Similar Products Used:
tektro 823A (OEM version of 824), shimano xtr
Bike Setup:
doesn't matter
Bottom Line:
got a chance to test ride a specialized (that had these brakes) at an LBS that a friend owns. these brakes are stiff, simplistic, attractive and have great pads. with that said, they're a rip off in price.
according to an email response from avid, last minute design changes boosted the weight on these suckers. my very accurate digital scale shows total weight (arms, pads, noodle, hardware) of 165g! that's no where near 139g and only 5 grams less than regular single digits and only 14 less than my tektro's. my tektro's, once equipped with avid's rim wrangler pads, work just as well as either single digit. avid needs to update their 'tech specs' at their web site...it isn't hard and would ensure no one is deceived. needless to say, i'm returning these brakes for a refund.
my worthless two cents...spend $20-$30 less (depending on where you shop) and buy the regular single digits unless you absolutely must have magnesium. avid shows 170g for their regular single digits--5 grams difference. by the way, their rim wrangler pads are so tough/smooth/durable, it's scary...
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