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Submitted by
tim y
a Racer
from hamilton ontario Canada
Date Reviewed: February 25, 2007 | | Favorite Trail: | ont has lots | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Price Paid: |
$65.00 | | Purchased At: | lbs | | Strengths: | Look Good ona silver bike 2.3's hooked up well on sno/mud/wet roots & nights rides @ first. | | Weaknesses: | On crunchy snow/ice 1.5 years later they feel like wet moccasins. Why cause I have to ride on pavement sometimes to get to & from Pavement Kills'em.
| | Similar Products Used: | I could have a tire fire environmental disaster in my basement. Lately I 've been buyin for color.. hence the gray stripes ( But that should be up in the Strengths section.) | | Bike Setup: | Soft tail SC X-lite with Crossmax In winter we either go to big 2.3's or studs -wimps get studs. | | Bottom Line: | These scorpions by Hutch are nice 'n lite for a big 2.3. When I race em my times are faster then on 2.1 kendas. & when you run em @ 30 lbs as suggested they start the first 6 months hold in over anything. My ultimate test is roots @ 2:30 pm under lites in the rain or dewey fog. Last winter they held well on crunchy snow/ice/frozen dirt that our trails become around new years.Yesterday It's -6 cel sunny as h__l the trails are shiney slick My buddies with the nobs are stickin in & I came home with a shiner to the right eye & my crash on film. Today its snowin so I'm shoppin for new tires & leaving my thoughts behind. They should last longer... With the Stans S they held air/nitrogen for months. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Jonza Kriss
a Weekend Warrior
from Tel Aviv, Israel
Date Reviewed: August 21, 2006 | | Favorite Trail: | fast singletrack | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$25.00 | | Purchased At: | second hand at a semi-shabby bike shop | | Strengths: | Wide print, good cornering traction, fast rolling, surprisingly good for landing smaill jumps and drops, nice looks, light weight, usable for tubes and tubeless systems. | | Weaknesses: | questionable traction on gravel, sand/dirt and loose terrain. doesn't look like it will last too long. | | Similar Products Used: | All sorts of Panaracer, Maxxis and Richey tires. | | Bike Setup: | 04` Kona Coiler w/ clip-in pedals. | | Bottom Line: | This review is for a 2.1" (though I suspect it's wider than that) UST scorpion tire on a regular tube, not tubeless. I wanted a tire that had more bite and stability than the 2.1" Richey Z-max I had on my rear wheel. The scorpion fills the ticket, but gives the feeling of a thin tire that tackles small bumps and stones, instead of engulfing and rolling over them. The tire performs well in terms of tranction, cornering and acceleration, but once you get off the more comfortable riding terrain (large rocks, hard-packed soil), the tire transmits to your bottom a little more of the trail than you might like.
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Submitted by
Brandon
a Cross Country Rider
from Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Date Reviewed: March 25, 2006 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Strengths: | They look cool? | | Weaknesses: | Expensive, poor grip in the wet, and they wear out VERY fast. | | Bike Setup: | 2003 Cove Handjob, 2004 Marzocchi Marathon S, Chris King headset, SRAM XO twist shifters & rear derailleur, XTR front derailleur, Truvativ Stylo team cranks, Eggbeater SL, Mavic Crossmax Enduro Disc, Hope Mono Minis, Thompson post & stem, Selle Italia Flight titanium, Easton Monkeylight carbon bars, WTB Weirwolf 2.1 | | Bottom Line: | This review is for the Scorpion 2.3 UST (with the grey stripes). I rode these for less than 800 Km and they were pretty much bald in the center. They performed well on dry, hard-packed singletrack. But whenever I took them anywhere else they were average at best. These aren't terrible tires, they just are not great tires (not even good, imho). When you factor in the cost, they really aren't worth it. Given the army of better product out there, I'd recommend avoiding these. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Carl Johnson
a Cross Country Rider
from Guemes Island, WA, USA
Date Reviewed: February 8, 2006 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$40.00 | | Purchased At: | skagit cycle center | | Strengths: | good uphill traction as rear tire. this tire holds better than most rear tires i've used. great climber. | | Weaknesses: | very, and i mean very, poor downhill traction as rear tire, though i am improving my downhill skid-cornering technique. it seems that the degree of the grabbiness depends on the low psi, and not on knobbies (which are good for braking). for example, on downhill sections (nothing super technical), you basically have just to get a good skid on, and ride it, pray that your front tire holds and thank yourself for not using a hutch scorpion for your front tire. what's that? a long downhill? plan on gradually picking up speed as you skid 'cause you can't maintain your drop-in speed. hairraising to say the least! | | Similar Products Used: | panaracer firepro xc, velociraptor, python ust | | Bike Setup: | sah-weet | | Bottom Line: | the terrain (uber-rooty & rocky) and conditions (perpetually rain-soaked) in northwest washington do not respect this tire. and we are not amused. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
scott
a Cross Country Rider
from simi valley, ca
Date Reviewed: December 13, 2005 | | Favorite Trail: | space mountain | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Purchased At: | simi cycling center | | Strengths: | fast rolling, great on hardpack, great on rocky sections, tubeliss so good traction | | Weaknesses: | sketchy on loose terrian and sand but hey its a cross country tire what did you expect | | Similar Products Used: | several different tubed and non tubeliss tites | | Bike Setup: | cannondale jekyll full XT, hayes mag plus, mavic 819 tubeliss rims | | Bottom Line: | good tire nothing spectacular, more so for the experianced cross country rider, a newer rider might not appreciate the more so minimal tread, and i haven't had a flat with them thanks to stans | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Dustin Mitchell
a Cross Country Rider
from Houston, TX
Date Reviewed: August 17, 2005 | | Favorite Trail: | Tyler, Waco, Smithville, Hochi | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$50.00 | | Purchased At: | West U Cycles | | Strengths: | Tire width, Traction, UST | | Weaknesses: | none | | Similar Products Used: | Hutchinson Python UST | | Bike Setup: | Specialized Epic Marithon, XTR Groupo, Fox front and rear, Mavic CrossMax SL Disc | | Bottom Line: | I liked my pythons but wanted to get something with more bite for those slick roots and steep climbs. These tires are amazing and I was very surprised at how well they stick to the ground in all conditions. Also much faster than I thought they would be. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
david gray
a
from Plano, Texas USA
Date Reviewed: April 14, 2005 | | Favorite Trail: | Any that I'm on. | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Purchased At: | Internet | | Strengths: | Tread design | | Weaknesses: | Nothing major. | | Similar Products Used: | Numerous competitors tire. | | Bike Setup: | SFR Stumpjumper & SFR XC | | Bottom Line: | This is the best all around tire I've ever used. Extensive trail riding and frequent racing. The soft rubber hooks up superb, it really shines on rocks and roots. They wear fast, as does any high performance sticky tire. I run them at about 32 lbs. The outside row of knobs are perfect for fearless cornering. I've been through several sets and have had minimal leakage problems, I run slime for tubeless in mine. I change tires every so often but keep coming back to these. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Brewha
a Weekend Warrior
from South Jersey
Date Reviewed: January 16, 2005 | | Favorite Trail: | South Boundry,Snake Trail | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Price Paid: |
$15.00 | | Purchased At: | Greenfish | | Strengths: | Wide footprint,Can run low air pressure.Exellent winter tire.Traction on all types of terrain.Made me a much better climber | | Weaknesses: | Wears more if riding on pavement | | Similar Products Used: | Kenda,Vertical pro,Velociraptor,Tiogas | | Bike Setup: | Truth,819King,XO,Avid Mech`s,Stans`s | | Bottom Line: | I primarily used this for winter and wet weather riding.Traction is unbelievable.I see everyone else slip or not make sections of trail in which I just blast thru.Maybe it`s the bike? No, now I run them all year.I use the non UST version with plenty of Stan`s.I`ve had them in all types of trails and they are my favorite.Wet rocks and roots are no longer my nemisis.They are slow in some terrain but I will sacrifice that for staying on the trail.They are my choice for the trails on the east coast.I run them at 30lbs.And Greenfish has them dirt cheap! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
David
a Cross Country Rider
from expat in Belgium
Date Reviewed: December 7, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | Glentress, Scotland | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Strengths: | Reasonable rolling resistance
Good cornering and off-camber grip | | Weaknesses: | Porosity of sidewalls
Not enough grip on medium to loose climbs | | Similar Products Used: | Hutch Mosquito and Spider, Geax Sedona (UST versions) | | Bike Setup: | Custom wheelseet with DT hubs and Mavic UST rims, running Eclipse latex sealant and removeable-core valves. | | Bottom Line: | This review is for the 1.75 version.
I started using latex solution for the first time because of these tires. Not to prevent flats, but because they were losing air due to the porosity of the sidewalls. I dunked them in the bathtub and was shocked to see a constant stream of microbubbles emanating from the sidewalls! With the latex, they held air for weeks on end, and I never flatted with them, so I got over it.
These tires roll ok on hard ground, but corner strangely due to the low center knob/high lateral knob design. Nevertheless, I bought them specifically for soft muddy conditions during winter, so I am rating them only for this use, for which they don't clog up and grip well coming into muddy corners and off-cambers. They show their limitations when attempting to climb slippery slopes, as the central tread is just not meaty enough. Every tire is a compromise, but this one doesn't quite hit the mark for me. It's neither a hard conditions nor soft conditions tire, yet I don't consider it an all-around tire either. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Frank Brigandi
a Cross Country Rider
from Havertown, PA
Date Reviewed: November 11, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | anywhere | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Purchased At: | biketopia 610-789-4500 | | Strengths: | Gargantuan, wide and stable | | Weaknesses: | rolling resistence, is high because these are LARGE tires. | | Similar Products Used: | Fire XC pro, IRC Claw COMP ( best tire ever IMO) many many others | | Bike Setup: | '04 Jamis Dakar XLT 3.0 Stock except for a shorter stem ad DH bars for Stability in tight singletrack. | | Bottom Line: | I like these tires because they give you a wide footprint which does many good things for you on the trail. When it's rocky they help keep the bike stable at any speed even if your creeping along behind those not as gifted on dowhilling, It's a good technical climbing tire, I liked it on gravel too, it seemed to float nicely. It cleans well if you get any horse sh!t on it which is a good thing, and I really liked it for riding at a brisk pace through tight single track, it seemed to hug everything especially burms, it also didn't do curly shuffle on any loose moderately fast downhill sections that had loose bigger rocks waiting to pluck you from your bike. Climbing on smooth trails with this tire was difficult because it's wide and slows you down, but I wasn't bothered by that, I caught everyone on the downhills and single track because I was the only one not slipping and sliding. Nice tire, I'd reccomend it definately even though I had hear that these tires were horrible. I disagree they were excellent and very comfortable to ride on for long durations. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Biz
a Cross Country Rider
from Seattle, WA
Date Reviewed: November 1, 2004 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$30.00 | | Purchased At: | Jenson USA | | Strengths: | Easy to mount, holds air well, high volume casing. | | Weaknesses: | Not the lightest out there. | | Similar Products Used: | WTB Weirwolf UST; non-tubeless tires include Panaracer Fire XC Pro, Hutchinson Python and Spider, Mythos XC | | Bike Setup: | 2003 Ellsworth Truth with Romic rear, Fox TALAS RLC fork, Chris King headset and ISO disc hubs, Mavic 819 UST rims, XTR crankset, Magura Marta SL brakes, Easton Monkeylite SL handlebar and EC70 seatpost | | Bottom Line: | Decent tubeless tires, seems to work well in all conditions. I have ridden Tiger Mountain in the sopping wet with these, and, yes, they do slip and slide a bit over roots, but I've yet to try a tire that'll grip under those conditions. I felt that they did an admirable job. They work quite well in hardpack terrain; haven't tried it in sandy conditions. They hold air well, but I do have to inflate/check them after every week, and no I don't use Stan's tubeless sealant.
To the reviewer about 3 reviews down who gave them 1 chili each, I would say that his experience might be unique. I haven't had a problem with these, and would certainly purchase these again if I can get 'em at a reasonable price. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Dave
a Racer
from Chelmsford, Ma
Date Reviewed: October 19, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | Lynn Woods | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Price Paid: |
$55.00 | | Purchased At: | Cycleloft | | Strengths: | strong sidewalls, works well on hard pack and rocks, no flats, able to run much lower pressures when needed, look great, hook up on just about anything, holds pressure (also use Stan's Sealant) | | Weaknesses: | none found so far | | Similar Products Used: | IRC Mythos 2.1, Specialized Enduro 2.2, Panaracer TrailBlaster 2.0 | | Bike Setup: | 04 Specialized Enduro w/CrossMax XL rims | | Bottom Line: | I ride New England trails which are rocky, rooty and mostly hard-pack. I find these tires perfect for this environment.
They have fantastic grip over almost everything except deep sand and mud but I don't think these tires are designed for that (small knobs on top). Surprisingly, they're good when wet too (of course, no tire will be great when wet). Corners well and allows me to float over rock gardens and technical stuff with ease. These are big volume tires which add cush to the suspension (I'm 205#). They handle big drops with no trouble.
I see that some people are upset by how quickly they wear. Although I do see some wear (only on the rear) it isn't excessive and this is the trade-off for a grippy soft compound tire. My suggestion for those below is to talk to other riders in your area and find out what tire works well for them.
They are a bit pricey but I don't mind paying for a good product. Besides, when I add up how much I've saved in tubes and lost riding time on the trail, these things are more than paying for themselves.
Haven't had any issues at all and will definitely buy more in the future. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Matthew Vangelisti
a Cross Country Rider
from Markham, Ontario, Canada
Date Reviewed: July 21, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | Durham "drops" | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$45.00 | | Purchased At: | Cyclepath Markham | | Strengths: | Really hooks up well in the mud. I'm riding only the 1.75 but it is good enough for a 138lb rider. Keep in mind nothing is going to work on wet rock and roots, I don't care what anyones says. Climbed some steep stuff on this little skinny tire.... | | Weaknesses: | You can't expect them to roll like a Python, so don't - okay? A little vibration to let you know the knobbies are there. Mine's narrow so cornering is a little careful until you get used to it. Tread is not super duper durable, can only see some wear after dragging rear a bit down a really steep pitch. Also like most UST's I guess, they are a little hard to get on. The last bit is really a killer. | | Similar Products Used: | Panacer Trailblaster 1.85 | | Bike Setup: | Specialized S-Works Epic, Full XTR, Mavic Crossmax, Shimano 959. | | Bottom Line: | Good tire for mud. Get a wider model if you are larger or want to have more carefree cornering. If things are really muddy you can go with more aggressive tread but then you give up some rolling resistance too. This seems to be a good compromise. Trying a Specialized Rockster now for dry days and it rolls very fast, but again no hook up on slicker muddier trails. Best to have another set of rims if you are going to play the condition specific tire game. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Frank Poblocki
a Weekend Warrior
from Seattle Area
Date Reviewed: July 10, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | Tiger Mtn | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Purchased At: | Supergo | | Strengths: | I have not found any real strenghts in the design, appearance, or performance of this tire. | | Weaknesses: | No grip whatsoever. Horrible handling ability. | | Bike Setup: | 2003 Giant VT1, pretty much stock. | | Bottom Line: | I have only had my VT1 for 1 week and these tires were on the bike when I bought it. I have taken it on 3 (serious) rides, and was surprised how horribly these tires performed. I slipped and slided away, especially on wet roots and rocks. I would hope that Giant will spec better tires for a bike as expensive as the VT1. Several people told me that one of the benefits of tubeless tires was that that rarely, if ever, go flat. I got a fat old flat on my 2nd. ride. the hike back was better than the ride.
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Submitted by
Jeremy Worringham
a Cross Country Rider
from Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Date Reviewed: June 9, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | SO MANY TRAILS | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Purchased At: | Stock on Jekyll 1000 | | Strengths: | Hmmmm... It certainly dosn't weigh much. They roll nice n fast on hard packed surfaces. Such as street. HAHAHAHA! Can be run at ULTRA low pressure. Probably good for 'pure' cross country weight-aware people. | | Weaknesses: | Where's the grip? I don't feel confident with these tires. And that's not because I have a hideous face. I thought the point of tires was to keep you firmly on the trail/road even if you have to corner, brake or run over small animals (I do not condone running over animals). These tires don't really do that all the time. The (tiny) side knobs are spaced well apart so when you corner hard you get gradually less grip. Not cool. | | Similar Products Used: | Panaracer fire XC 2.1, Tioga Factory XC | | Bike Setup: | 2004 Cannondale Jeykll 1000 (these tires were on the stock setup) | | Bottom Line: | Not the best gripping tires at all. For the rough stuff around Mt Coot tha I would say try something with more grip. When I wear these to death I am going to try the new Tioga Red Phoenix tubeless xc tires with Stans no-tubes.
As these came on my new bike I won't comment on value. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Brian
a Weekend Warrior
from Anchorage, AK, USA
Date Reviewed: May 2, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | CARP, AR | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$50.00 | | Purchased At: | LBS | | Strengths: | Looks cool...I guess | | Weaknesses: | Everything | | Bike Setup: | Cake 2 DLX | | Bottom Line: | Wanted to go tubeless; went to a bike shop where I am and they suggested these, even though they didn't ride themselves. They said that these have a good type of tread for this area (I'm traveling right now). I had IRC SeracXC that came stock with the bike and they were way better than these P.O.S. They slide all over the place. Even in muddy conditions they didn't hold a line, sure they threw the mud quickly and didn't cake up but if they didn't hold my line in the first place who cares. It felt like I was running on a flat so I put more pressure in there. I want to see if this whole running lower PSI had anything to it. Well, it didn't help. The rear end wouldn't track true when I locked up the brakes. I put my old SeracXC back on the rear tire and left the scorpion on the front and marked improvement on rear traction. So I ordered some weirwolves via online. We'll see....I really like the whole tubeless idea but when the bike shop didn't know what Stans was I should of been suspicious (I had a bottle with me from when I bought the bike) BTW...I'm really impressed with Stans
I wouldn't recommend them so I'm an either all the way or no way type of guy. BTW...I'm no expert on tires by any means but its just my 2 cents | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Pam
a Cross Country Rider
from Baltimore, MD
Date Reviewed: April 8, 2004 | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Purchased At: | $40 | | Strengths: | good on corners; enough tread to get you through the tough stuff, but smooth enough for hard pack; sheds mud well | | Weaknesses: | none that I've found so far | | Similar Products Used: | Hutchinson Python | | Bike Setup: | 2001 Giant NRS 1, all stock except for SRAM 9.0 all around, RazorRock Stiffy Brake Levers | | Bottom Line: | These are great tires! I'm not sure why the previous reviewer had so much trouble. (Maybe bad rims?) I've had great luck with these tires. When I added Stan's No Tubes it made an INCREDIBLE difference. I lose no air now! I have had one puncture. It was fixed with a patch. Works great. I have the Mavic UST rims. I used to use the Pythons but they had NO traction! Scorpions are good over mud, rocks, roots, and hardpack. Used in the driest and wettest conditions that Maryland and West Virginia has thrown at me. I recommend them. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Crossmax
a Cross Country Rider
from WA
Date Reviewed: March 31, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | Tiger Mountain | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$30.00 | | Purchased At: | online | | Strengths: | None | | Weaknesses: | Poor quality control. Defective bead. Defective bulging in the sidewall. | | Similar Products Used: | Specialized S-Works, WTB Weirwolf, Rithcey Z Max | | Bike Setup: | Santa Cruz Blur, XTR, Crossmax XL Wheels | | Bottom Line: | These are defective tires that would not hold air, even with Stan's Tubeless Sealant. They are not perfectly round, so there is some vibration at high speeds. I would not purchase these again. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Gavilán Luque Alberto
a Racer
from Barcelona, España
Date Reviewed: January 22, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | Specialized SWorks M5 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$30.00 | | Purchased At: | Medina Competición | | Strengths: | Comodidad y agarre en casi todo tipo de terrenos, durabilidad (tres meses sin ninguna perdida de aire, con 200 km cada semana). Muy seguro en bajadas técnicas. Precioso. | | Weaknesses: | Si lo utilizas de neumático trasero se gasta muy rápido, y lastra bastante al rodar en pista. | | Similar Products Used: | Michelín Comp SL | | Bike Setup: | Specialized S Works M5, shimano XT-XTR, Mavis Crossmax XL | | Bottom Line: | Lo utilizo siempre delante. Después de probar muchos tubeless creo que es la better option delante para un uso variado en cross county pero también en bajadas trialeras y terreno suelto difícil, seco o mojado. Dura mucho y agarra bastante bajando, sin pegarse en subida. Muy superior a cualquier néumático por ejemplo de Maxxis, con muchos modelos variados, pero que duran tres salidas.
Su mejor pareja para rueda trasera creo que es en la mayor parte de terrenos la PYTHON y tan sólo en mojado y fango deberiamos poner otro que agarre más: Scorpion 1.75, Maxxis Highroller o Michelín Comp SL. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
bruno
a Cross Country Rider
from sunnyvale
Date Reviewed: August 13, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$30.00 | | Strengths: | easy to install, hold pressure, excellent grip for cornering. Lighter than the previous one. I weighted the new scorpion UST light at 718g, 100g more than the new python ust light. Best front tire that I never had. | | Weaknesses: | still a little too heavy | | Similar Products Used: | Michelin front S UST, Continental Fire pro ust. | | Bike Setup: | Specialized FSR S-works with magura marta and xmax disk | | Bottom Line: | I found the perfect front Tire which is qble to perform well on rock dust or mud. This review is for the new scorpion UST light that I combined with the new python UST light: the perfect set-up for summer. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Captain Phun
a Cross Country Rider
from Superfund, NJ
Date Reviewed: July 11, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Waywayanda | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Purchased At: | Came on Bike | | Strengths: | Tubeless tire for lower psi. | | Weaknesses: | HEAVY! Rear tire wears fast. Traction Ok at best. Rear tires looses air during the week more significantly than the front tire. | | Similar Products Used: | Tubed Tires | | Bike Setup: | Cannondale Jekyll 1000, blah blah blah... just ride the damn thing. | | Bottom Line: | An ok tire, but not on my list to be purchased again. Will use them till worn out then try some Conti Explorers. Tubeless is nice for lowering the psi and no more pinch flats, but at a weight penalty. Tubeless also takes some of the bump out of the ride. Not a bad tire, but not a good tire either. Rubber to soft and for $45 a piece, that $90 you'd have to replace quite often. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Sam
a Cross Country Rider
from Vancouver, WA USA
Date Reviewed: July 7, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$35.00 | | Strengths: | Hook up great in mud. Good low psi climbing tire in technical stuff. Good winter/wet tire. | | Weaknesses: | Wear out fast. Keep them off the pavement and rocks!! Easy puncture in the rocks. | | Similar Products Used: | Conti Vert Pro | | Bike Setup: | Truth, XTR, Mavic 3.1 Tubeless | | Bottom Line: | Like I said - Great wet / mud tire. Climbs roots, wet rocks, etc.
Don't ride them on pavement or lots of rocks or they will wear out fast (on the rear) and you'll get punctures.
I run stan's in them and they didn't seal yesterday from a rock puncture.
Just use them as your mud/winter tire and they are great!! I am switching to a Cont Explorer or something that lasts a little longer during the summer but I will put them back on in the winter.
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Submitted by
rob
a Cross Country Rider
from redwood city, ca, USA
Date Reviewed: June 17, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Strengths: | Looks nice. | | Weaknesses: | I wore this tire down in less than 1 month. The front tire is still fine. | | Similar Products Used: | This is my first experience with tubeless tires. | | Bike Setup: | crossmax UST | | Bottom Line: | Good for about 50 miles. If you never use your rear brake, maybe 60 miles tops. The tread wear rate is unacceptable. These tires should be priced in the 12 dollar range to make up for the accelerated wear. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
samiam
a Racer
from wisconsin
Date Reviewed: June 15, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$38.00 | | Strengths: | Good traction and they look fast. | | Weaknesses: | Soft rubber | | Similar Products Used: | none this bad | | Bike Setup: | trek 9.8 | | Bottom Line: | I used this tire for less then 2 miles and the rear was split open by a rock. Being that this was my only experience with the scorpion I have limited knowledge on how this tire performs. However, in the first mile I washed out on a hard packed dirt trail which resulted in some cuts on my leg, hip, and arm. My first impression of the tire was that it was slow. I was riding on hard packed trails which this tire is not made for but I didn't think it would be a problem. Get this tire if you are riding in mud or on soft trails. The tire compound is just too soft for any rocks or hard trails. I am now using a Continental explorer on the front and a twister pro on the back and they are very dependable and fast. Hope this helps | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Vin Quenneville
a Cross Country Rider
from Killington, VT
Date Reviewed: May 18, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Anywhere with climbs and decsents | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$35.00 | | Purchased At: | True Wheels | | Strengths: | Traction and it looks KILER on my Crossmax XL's, | | Weaknesses: | WEAR, and Weight... | | Similar Products Used: | Panaracer Fire's | | Bike Setup: | Intense Tracer | | Bottom Line: | I love the way they feel on the trail...They shed mud and are grippy on rocks and roots. This is my first tubeless tire and it's great to be able to run low pressures with out "pinching".
The bummer about these is how fast they wear, I do ride a lot of technical, rocky areas and a different tire would wear better but I love the way these things hook up! The other bummer is the sidewalls are cracking already... I am just about to put a fresh pair on and I'll update if this is a reoccuring problem.
If they would wear better I'd give 'em a 5 but.. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Jubbs
a Cross Country Rider
from Texas
Date Reviewed: May 15, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Strengths: | not much, not much...hutch uses good rubber tho | | Weaknesses: | french crapulence. the rubber comes from their still unrelinquished colonial holdings. | | Similar Products Used: | all of them | | Bike Setup: | was on my ellsworth fs | | Bottom Line: | they sucked to begin with. i think hutch was aiming at an all around tire, but they made a real piece that does nothing well. when they started going bald, the finishing straw was doing a donut and sliding past my friend backwards. kind of thrilling. but i'd hate to do that in a race. just crap. stay awaaaaay! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Rick
a
from Milwaukee, WI, USA
Date Reviewed: May 2, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$45.00 | | Purchased At: | LBS | | Strengths: | Good mud shedding, excellent cornering grip, Good in the dry loose, sand and the mud. Good in the snow, bad on ice. | | Weaknesses: | Looses air quickly, tread wear | | Similar Products Used: | Michelen Comp S UST | | Bike Setup: | 2002 Gary Fisher Sugar 1 with Mavic Crossmax UST | | Bottom Line: | I noticed several people rating these as 2.0, but mine are 1.75's.
The Good: These are a good tire to add to your arsenal. I have run them in every condition and I'm very happy with them. I typically run them with 40 - 45 psi depending on conditions. They seem to grip good on the roots and do a great job of clearing the mud, snow, etc. They cut right through sand as long as you keep your wheels spinning. With narrow tire size and block config, you get lean pretty far over in the turns before the sides hook up. When they hook up hang on because they go.
The Bad: These tires are not made for pavement. Really! You get some gnarly vibrations coming up through the frame. Thank sziatsu. These babies also wear pretty quick. The terrain around here is mostly dirt and sand with a lot of round rocks. I can see where a more abusive environ would tear them up. Also, they were a b!@#$ to get on the rims. They loose enough air overnight that I have to check air before each ride. Which I did anyway. Notice I said part of you arsenal, not the whole tamale.
The Ugly: They look good on a set of black rims like the Mavics. Standing in the start shoot... they look like they could take a leg off if you get in the way. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Marc Roseboro
a Cross Country Rider
from Los Angeles
Date Reviewed: April 22, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Sullivan Canyon | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$35.00 | | Purchased At: | Price Point | | Strengths: | Looks!!! The tires look awesome on the bike | | Weaknesses: | In the dry rocky Californian climate these tires die. After one ride the nobes started to rip off of the tire surface. After 5-10 rides they were virtually gone in the middle of the tire. The side nobes stay on a bit longer but they are definitely not a tire for dry rocky technical trails. IMO only good for mud. For a great tire try the Kenda Kharisma UST, they take all kinds of abuse and until a bad fall where I punctured the rear they are great. But I will patch the tire and keep riding it definitely. | | Similar Products Used: | Panaracer Fire XC pro | | Bike Setup: | 02 Trek 9.8 Elite. Mavic Crossmax UST, Duke 100 SL fork, XT/XTR component group, Thompson elite post, KC Headset, Time atac composite pedals, Monkeylite bar. | | Bottom Line: | If you want your bike to look smashing and don't mind new tires every 5-10 rides or you ride exclusively in mud these are for you. For all others, I recommend the Kenda Kharisma's | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Delfo Corti
a Weekend Warrior
from Legnago
Date Reviewed: April 12, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Next one | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$40.00 | | Purchased At: | Spiderbike , Este, Pd, Italy | | Strengths: | Tubeless
Great stability on dry terrain
| | Weaknesses: | Weight
On mud or wet terrain is a crap | | Similar Products Used: | First tubeless
Great positive experience with Ritchey Z-max | | Bike Setup: | Kona Mokomoko with Hayes Mag XC brakes, XT rear der., Crossroc UST disc wheelset | | Bottom Line: | It's short the time to evaluate properly and honestly: I will try some more rides becasue after the first two on wet ground I am a bit disappointed of the performance. Great stability feeling on dry stones and on light downhill. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Justin Moor
a Cross Country Rider
from Sydney, Australia (originally UK)
Date Reviewed: March 2, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | the one i'm on | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Purchased At: | came on my Jekyll 1000 | | Strengths: | looks, good tread pattern | | Weaknesses: | wear, wear, wear, sidewalls, sidewalls, sidewalls | | Similar Products Used: | none on this bike, Panaracers on previous bike | | Bike Setup: | Cannondale Jekyll 1000 pretty much as bought | | Bottom Line: | I've been running these tyres since buying my Jekyll a few months back and having read the mixed reviews here was interested to see how they worked.
I've ridden these on dry, sandy, rocky trails XC and tricky/technical stuff, trails which give all my non-tubeless mates pinch flats and rocky drops up to three foot high. Both singletrack and firetrail. Also ridden them on tarmac (laps of the local park and longer road rides).
I can only fault these tyres for two reasons, otherwise I'd be happy with them. Firstly, they wear quickly. Mine are now at the point where they have minimal traction on sand or loose surfaces. The tacky compound keeps them working otherwise but after three months the tread is down to about 5mm.
The second problem is the weakness of the sidewalls, at the weekend I was riding full speed along a hard packed firetrail and a loose rock chipped my rim which in turn punctured the tyre. The rim damage wasn't sharp (I was able to put a tube in and finish the ride) and the rim was only slightly bent (not enough to prevent the tyre from sealing) but the tyre still punctured above the bead.
If these tyres didn't wear so quickly and had stronger sidewalls I would stick with them, why do we have to sacrifice so much for weight? Just get fitter riding a very slightly heavier bike! I now have to find an alternative tubeless tyre, from initial reviews on here I'm not too impressed with what's available. If anyone reading this has a suggestion please email me!
I'd give these four stars, but will demote them for wear and sidewall weakness. Value rating is related to the lifetime they've given for their replacement cost (but until Hutchinson fix these problems I will be shopping elsewhere) | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Matthew
a Racer
from Hant's, UK
Date Reviewed: February 25, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Purchased At: | Came with bike | | Strengths: | Light for tubeless (1.85"), good traction in wet, haven't punctured yet. | | Weaknesses: | While the bike wasin storage for a few months, the tyres deflated and the sidewalls cracked a bit. As a result they loose half their air every night, but that's my fault. | | Similar Products Used: | First tubeless tyres | | Bike Setup: | F3000sl, Easton, XTR, Marta discs... | | Bottom Line: | Basically a good tire, seems silly to run such a thin tubeless tire, but I still run them at 40psi and I can feel the tyre conforming to each root instead of slipping over it. I haven't damaged my rims yet! Overall it works well in sloppy mud and most conditions, the rear struggles a bit on wet climbs but traction is good otherwise and bump absorption is pretty good for a 1.9" tire. Pumping them up before each ride is a pain, some sealant would fix that. I'll try the 2.0 on the front and Mosquito on the rear once the trails dry up. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Doug Claxton
a Cross Country Rider
from Golden, Co, USA
Date Reviewed: February 23, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | white ranch | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$15.00 | | Purchased At: | wheat ridge cyclery | | Strengths: | tread pattern great for sandy conditions, holds air well. | | Weaknesses: | not very good on the rear. | | Similar Products Used: | conti explorer | | Bike Setup: | yeti asr | | Bottom Line: | perfect for the front. the nobs on the side keep the tire from washing our on hard cornering. the Python is a much better choice on the rear, for better traction. I put a quarter bottle of true goo in before putting the tire on, and it holds air very well. Hutchinson makes the best. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Matteo Tellini
a Cross Country Rider
from Livorno, Italy
Date Reviewed: January 25, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Toscana Italy | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$35.00 | | Purchased At: | www.gambacicli.it | | Strengths: | Great look for that tires. Very large (it says 2.00 but they are large as 2.30). Very low tires pressure admitted. | | Weaknesses: | Not very easy to remove from rim and to very easy to repair in case of flats. It weights much. (800 gr) | | Similar Products Used: | Panaracer Fire XC 2.1 | | Bike Setup: | Scott Team Hardtail, Xt mounted, Rockshox Sid SL Fork. | | Bottom Line: | Very cool looking tire with it's silver lines to make it look nice. I own it from a 3 month period and i still have to make a flat. I'm 95kg and i ride it at 2.0/2.0 and i'have noticed a large tire print on the ground that gives a decent safety feel on DH. I'm not a good DH rider but my skill have improved much with this tire. The fact is that this tire is 2.00 but looks like a 2.30.. it's very very large. The only weakness is that is no lightweight tire so buy it only if you look for control instead of lightness. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Richard
a Cross Country Rider
from WALES UK
Date Reviewed: January 21, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$40.00 | | Purchased At: | CYCLOPEADIA | | Strengths: | Tubeless no more pinch flats | | Weaknesses: | not as good a FIRE XC | | Similar Products Used: | none tubeless | | Bike Setup: | Klien hardtail | | Bottom Line: | Seem to be fast rolling, they are wearing alright and it is nice to have the ability to ride with lower pressures. They shed mud well and seem a good allround tyre. Havent had many problaems with it washing out and little air leaking. I use Rolf Propel wheels but was told tyres need maximum pressure (I think 45?) for at least 24 hours for tyre to bead in at that seams to have done the trick. Might buy Python for summer drier races | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
sig
a
from augusta ga. usa
Date Reviewed: January 13, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | lick fork, modoc | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Strengths: | rolls easy | | Weaknesses: | weak tires | | Similar Products Used: | first tubeless | | Bike Setup: | giant vt 1 | | Bottom Line: | the recommended pressure for competition is 29 lbs.i put 32 in them and within the first 2 miles my rear tire was flat.it pinched a hole on the tread surface and put a half inch split along the bead,seperating it from the sidewall.it is not repairable.as far as performance it sux on slick roots or sticky mud. i guess they will be ok in dry weather. as far as durability, i wont trust these to take me too far in the woods. i put a michelin xtreme grip on the back. i will see how it does. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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Rich
a
from New Jersey
Date Reviewed: January 6, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$50.00 | | Purchased At: | Peddler | | Strengths: | Tubeless. Seem to be a good tweener - that is between a slick and a raptor. | | Weaknesses: | Hard to set the the bead without a compressor. Exspensive | | Similar Products Used: | My first tubeless. Usually switch between an xc racing slick and velociraptors depending on conditions. | | Bike Setup: | 2002 Kelin Adept Pro | | Bottom Line: | I've only ridden it a couple of times, but it seems decent so far in both wet and dry conditons. I think it hooks up better then the raptors and still rolls pretty fast. And, while the racing slicks I often ride are really fast, they pinch flat a lot and immediately pack up in any sort of mud. So, once I got the bead set, they seem to be holding a consistant pressure. I still think this technology is being perfected, but will give these a go until something better in the tubeless category comes along. But it if you want a versatile all-conditions tire that will still handle and roll. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
DT
a Cross Country Rider
from West Yorkshire
Date Reviewed: December 13, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | Beamsley | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Purchased At: | JDs | | Strengths: | Good all round on mixed wet Dales surfaces - rocky ups/downs, peaty bogs/rutted tracks, grass, farm tracks and tarmac.
Solid planted directional feel on the front and enough grip on the back without too much rolling resistance. The edges really bite well on off camber deep downhill ruts.
Riding with folk who use IRC Mythos/Back Country/ Continental Exp I get bogged down and spin the back less.
On 3.1 UST rims I maybe need to top up the pressures every month or so about 5PSI - thats with an average of 4x 2hr Yorkshire Dales rides per week, mostly nocturnal now. | | Weaknesses: | You need a lot of air pressure initially to seal on the rims
but I've only had one pinch flat so far and no thorns or rips. Repair with car tyre patch works fine so avoid Hutchinsons own expensive repair kits.
Wear is not out of the ordinary but eventually they will be expensive to replace.
MBR MBUK give them 5/5 call them fantastic/their favorite treads so they will be everywhere soon
| | Similar Products Used: | No other Tubeless but a variety of tubed offerings from IRC
Panaracer and Hutchinson | | Bike Setup: | Rotwild RCC 07/fox forks/Hope Minis | | Bottom Line: | For a typical long UK cross country ride you need at least three sorts of bike and as many tires, if you dont have a bike caddy and are restricted to one bike then in my opinion you wont find a more versatile tire than this. In bone dry conditions I'd change to Pythons front and back.
(I wonder if folk who complain of air leakage have appropriate rims - I ve heard of stranger things, and if you lock the back wheel on tarmac the nobbles are fairly soft and will shred off fast) | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
sam freeman
a Racer
from longmont,co
Date Reviewed: December 8, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | white ranch | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$70.00 | | Purchased At: | mtbr | | Strengths: | looks like good tread but dont be fooled this tire is a pain | | Weaknesses: | Way to Heavy, Very leaky | | Similar Products Used: | python, karma | | Bike Setup: | trek 9.8 | | Bottom Line: | sucks, ok if you want to down hill and want to use your pump alot | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Steve Lloyd
a Cross Country Rider
from United Kingdom
Date Reviewed: November 26, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | South Downs - Sussex | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$50.00 | | Purchased At: | Action Bikes - Worthing | | Strengths: | Suitable for Mavic UST Rims, Tubeless, Grippy tyre compound on trails, low rolling resistance | | Weaknesses: | Slightly Heavy, wear quickly, poor grip in mud, leak air slightly, difficult to fit on first attempt, expensive | | Similar Products Used: | Swalbe Fast Fred UST Tubeless, Panaracer XC Pro (Tubed) | | Bike Setup: | Scott G-Zero Strike Limited Edition 2002, Easton Monkey lite XC carbon risers, Rock Shox SID SL, Rock Shox SID XC, Mavic CrossMAX rims, XTR, Magura Marta Hydraulic Disk brakes | | Bottom Line: | Firstly I really like these tyres but they have there place.
Hutchinson Scorpion UST's would suit rides which mix road and semi-dry fast trails, keep them away from wet tree roots and muddy slopes, I've probably done more miles sideways than forwards in the mud!. I'd done around 20 miles before blowing out the rear tyre jumping down a slightly rocky trail which also damaged my Mavic Rim!, was travelling around 27mph with 40psi - was not impressed as the tyre was written off (with a hole I could walk through) and could not be repaired. I've since replaced it with another Scorpion and covered an additional 350 miles without problems, but I take it much slower over sharp rocks.
I make a real effort not to lock out the rear tyres on tarmac as it scrubs chunks of rubber from the centre grips, wearing very quickly.
These are difficult to fit the first time but seem to get easier and seat properly around 50psi. I only take them up to 60psi to get a good seal and them reduce to 40psi ready to use.
I have the 2.0 but they are massive. More like 2.3, I swear I could ride across water and stay afloat.
Good tyre really, not good for traversing really muddy slopes, go buy some if you don't mind the cost! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Yancy Sobek
a Cross Country Rider
from Belle Vernon, PA , USA
Date Reviewed: November 4, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | Local (BV single and quad) and Mingo Creek County Park | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Purchased At: | Came with Bike | | Strengths: | Tubeless ride and feel
Smooth on hardpack | | Weaknesses: | Way to big, Hutchison claims these are 2.0, try about 2.3. . . Tread doesn't hook up in soft, muddy or loose terrain. Smooth on hardpack , but to big to be fast. Wears very quickly in rear. | | Similar Products Used: | Various tubed tires. I will try either the Kenda Kharma UST or Michelin Comp UST next | | Bike Setup: | 02' Cannondale F2000 | | Bottom Line: | If you get them free burn'em up and buy better tires to suite you riding style/conditions. BEWARE if you rear triangle has tight clearance, these tires say 2.0 but they are HUGE! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
John
a Cross Country Rider
from NJ
Date Reviewed: October 15, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | Allamuchy | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Purchased At: | Came with bike (from LBS) | | Strengths: | They're tubeless! Very fast rolling. | | Weaknesses: | Zero bite as a rear tire - servicable under a lot of conditions but a big liability on technical rocky, rooty climbs. I know its going to slip - its just a question of when. There are times when I feel like I have a slick on the back of the bike. The rear center treads are practically gone after 6 weeks (shredded on the rocks). | | Similar Products Used: | This is the only UST tire I have tried. | | Bike Setup: | Litespeed Pisgah with XT kit, Crossroc wheels. | | Bottom Line: | I wasn't sold on tubeless tires until I bought this bike. I am now sold 100% - tubeless tires rule once you get off of the buff and onto rocky, rooty, Northeast singletrack. The benefits of running low pressure outweigh any negative you can think of.
With that said, this tire's only merit is the fact that it is tubeless. It has zero bite on the rear and can spin without a warning on any hill with more that one rock or root. I'm hoping someone comes out with a new rear tread designs for 2003 - otherwise I'll probably try the Kenda Kharisma's. Manufacturers - if you read this stuff, this is what basically what I'm looking for:
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Submitted by
Brewha
a Weekend Warrior
from So. Jersey
Date Reviewed: September 27, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | Wissahicon | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Strengths: | Great traction, sheds mud, big tire | | Weaknesses: | Came with 2 punctures brand new, wears very qiuckly | | Similar Products Used: | First UST Velociraptors,XC Fire Pro | | Bike Setup: | Wheels, Pedals and a riser Bar | | Bottom Line: | I like the lower air pressure and the BIG footprint.But I had to patch 2 holes before I ever rode on them.Good overall traction in alot of conditions.They are balding after only 2 months of torture.(about 500 miles)Carry some superglue to make quick patch, without taking tire off.I do like the tire, just wish for longer lifespan. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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John
a Cross Country Rider
from Rossendale
Date Reviewed: September 21, 2002 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$40.00 | | Purchased At: | RideOn | | Strengths: | Great traction in wet and mud, runs well at reduced pressure (seems best at 35-40 psi), tarty sidewalls look great, surprisingly easy to change as long as you bring the detergent with you | | Weaknesses: | Wears really quickly on the rear, first set lasted 6 weeks, then low tread results in a weakened tyre prone to puncture. Strange sizes, mine are 2.0s but they look bigger, smaller ones look horrid | | Similar Products Used: | First tubeless tyres, worth making the change | | Bike Setup: | Tracer, Marzocchis, Hope, XT(R)ish | | Bottom Line: | Expensive but as long as you can bear the expense then a worthy tyre.
One tip: when you puncture a tubeless on the trail I gather that you put an inner tube in and repair at leisure back home. However remembering where the puncture is difficult so you end up taking the tyre off, taking out the tube, putting the tyre back on, inflating and playing spot the hole. Carry a small piece of blue chalk on the trail and mark the puncture when it occurs - saves time back home | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Patrick
a Cross Country Rider
from Boulder
Date Reviewed: September 8, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | Kenosha Pass | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Purchased At: | came with new Cannondale bike | | Strengths: | cool looks - treads fairly well on colorado trails | | Weaknesses: | loses air waaaayyy too fast - have to pump up during a day's ride. wears consiberably fast - do not take this tire to Moab - my rear Scorpion was close to bald after only a day's ride!!!! | | Similar Products Used: | michelin wild grippers (great tread and long-lasting tires!!) | | Bike Setup: | cannondale scalpel 2000 | | Bottom Line: | have never rode tubeless before, but the Scorpions definitely do not impress and make it difficult to see any significant advantage gained from tubeless over tube/tire combo. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
BIG MAC
a
from San Jose
Date Reviewed: July 20, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | Alum Rock | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Purchased At: | came with the bike | | Strengths: | Sheds mud fairly well .Might work well in play dough ! | | Weaknesses: | Leaks, will not grip roads or hard pack ,lots of rolling resistance .Cuts nobs too easy . wears fast .Does not work well in lose gravel or rocks .
| | Similar Products Used: | My first 2bliss ! IRC , Sp. Team control ,Bontdrager connection | | Bike Setup: | Mongoose Grand Marque . Road and trail riding .Hot dry semi desert conditions . | | Bottom Line: | I like the idea of TUBELESS tires for bikes . I,m not sure we have hit a zenith with this tecnology . 2bliss needs to be lighter and faster and stronger than tubed tires to replace them .None of the 2bliss tire's on the market that I have seen will stand up to the every day crap that I ride over,thorns,broked glass,sharp rocks wet rocks .I've changed over Specalized Team Control Armadilos withtubes ,they work and don't scare me to death .
If they make the Armadilos 2bliss ,I'll buy them ! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
J
a
from Lou., KY, USA
Date Reviewed: July 13, 2002 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Purchased At: | Jeffersonville Cyclery | | Strengths: | Lower air pressure offers excellent mud, rock, and root traction. This tire is supple and forgiving. Increase the air pressure and roll the hard pack... | | Weaknesses: | Most tubeless tires tend to loose a nominal amount of air and the Scorpion is no exception. I'll take the performance over the small amount of air loss. I did roll the front tire on an exposed rock going down hill (during a race), but the wheel was perpendicular to my frame. | | Bike Setup: | Scorpion tubeless tires accompained with Mavic (Crossmax) Tubeless wheelset. | | Bottom Line: | After three years of frustration at the 24hrs of Snowshoe, I finally found a tire that would compliment the demanding WV terrain. The Scorpion tire allowed me to ride many of the sections I had difficulty riding in previous years (off-camber roots, rocks, mud). This tire didn't pack up too much in the sticky mud of WV, that's a big plus for me.
Like most tubeless tires you're going to have nominal air retention issues, but as technology improves, so will tubeless tires. To combat air loss make sure your tire is seated. Put the maximum amount of air in the tire (58psi for the Scorpion) and then back the air pressure down to your preferred psi (before you back the psi down, let the air pressure stand for a while).
For me, this is a great tire for all riding conditions. If you don't want to continually switch tires for different conditions try the Hutchinson Scorpion. I do ride a different tire for really dry conditions, but if I had only one tire I'd pick the scorpion. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Piotr Chilecki
a Cross Country Rider
from Zakopane - Poland
Date Reviewed: July 8, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | many | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$35.00 | | Purchased At: | Poreba - Krakow | | Strengths: | Great in wet conditions, on roots and in mud
Big air volumne also helps in rough terrian
Nice low roling resistance | | Weaknesses: | None - weight for that tire is ok. because size is more
like 2.2 or 2.3 | | Similar Products Used: | Michelin Comp UST, Schwalbe Fast Fred UST, Schwalbe Big Jim
UST and many normal (non UST) tires. | | Bike Setup: | Trek Fuel 100, Look Fournales 1.2, XTR, Mavic CrossMax Disc
Formula B4, Easton handelbar and seat post | | Bottom Line: | I really love that tires, they are great in very wet and
muddy conditions. Weight is not too much for that tire (798 g.) because size is big and you feel your bike has more
travel. I run Scorpions at 29 psi and it work great for me
(170 lbs) traction is amazing specially on wet roots.
For me it is best wet weather tire - and trust me I checked many many tires in past years. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Kevin
a Racer
from connecticut
Date Reviewed: June 26, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | indian ledge | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$32.00 | | Purchased At: | online | | Strengths: | Looks cool and provides good traction | | Weaknesses: | Side wall can not stand up to tight high speed cornering.
The tire compound is too soft for real ledge type rocks.
(I punctuered the tire on a sharp rock.) | | Similar Products Used: | geax hubi ,sedona Hutch python , moskito Panaracer trailblaster Michelin wide gripper | | Bike Setup: | Cannondale set up for xc racing | | Bottom Line: | Buy it if you are out for a casual ride and want to look good. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Jason
a Weekend Warrior
from Miami
Date Reviewed: May 23, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | Markham | | Duration Product Used: | Tested or demo'ed only | | Purchased At: | Replaced by Store | | Strengths: | Cool looks. Big Silver strip makes it look different but does not overdo it too much. Great traction on varied terrain. Sand, mud, rock etc...Overall I'm quite impressed! Has not lost air for a few rides now! | | Weaknesses: | I have not encountered any as yet! Maybe just a little heavier than some of the other 2Bliss tires out there...but if weight is not a concern, go figure! | | Similar Products Used: | Specialized Rockster S-Works 2Bliss (really sucked). Although they were lighter than these ones. | | Bike Setup: | '02 FSR S-Works, EC90 Easton bars, SID Race Titanium shox, FOX Float rear, Full XTR, Mavic CrossMax wheels. | | Bottom Line: | These tires I put to the test when it was not completely saturated by water, but was a mixture of mud, sand, rock and some large puddles. In conlcusion, I would like to add that they stood up to my test and they were excellent. I ran them at around 31 p.s.i and they performed well. Nice traction. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Derek Mattice
a Cross Country Rider
from Brighton, MI
Date Reviewed: May 20, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | Any | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$45.00 | | Purchased At: | KLM | | Strengths: | Agressive, very big for a 2.0 yet still rolls decently (not a lot of knob grinding), cool new silver "stripes" on casing (denotes tubeless for Hutchinson) | | Weaknesses: | HEAVY, very heavy, way to heavy for XC. The casing is downhill suitable. The weight can be felt when pedaling. | | Similar Products Used: | Hutchinson Pythons UST, Hutchinson Mosquito 1.85 UST. | | Bike Setup: | Cannondale CAAD 5, SRAM X.0, Mavic Crossmax tubeless, Hayes disc brakes, etc. | | Bottom Line: | I was looking for something a little more agressive (read: more side knob than the Python. The Python rolls very fast but is a little sketchy when leaned over). The shop recommended these. To appreciate the feel of these: If you raced motocross and rolled down a hill without hitting the gas, you know the feeling of how heavy the wheels are without any power? Well, that's how these feel. Their traction is incredible, and it should be the tire is like a 2.3, not 2.0. The casing is stiff like a downhill tire and the resulting ride is the same (with 30 psi in the tires). If you want to mimic the Python "cushy" feel run like 12 psi. Surprisingly, the knobs actually do meld together at speed, it's just getting them up to speed, and the heavy feel at the wheel...
If Hutchinson got the size down to a real 2.0, got the weight down to 700 grams these tires would be very good for Michigan (east coast conditions loamy, sandy, etc.). Otherwise, they are freeride only. Two stars for XC, 5 for freeriding. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Brad
a
from New Jersey
Date Reviewed: May 10, 2002 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Strengths: | Cool looks, Great tread pattern for all conditions | | Weaknesses: | None | | Similar Products Used: | Michelen Comp S (As far as tubeless tres are concerned) | | Bike Setup: | Scalpel XTR, Magura, Lety Carbon | | Bottom Line: | Great overall tire finally by Hutchinson. Great tread patern and they loose barely any air over a couple days period....they were also easy to seat by hand and have been a pleasure to ride from 30psi to 50 psi. Best UST tire I have used yet that actaully will keep air and has a good tread design. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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