Submitted by
jsmith75
a Weekend Warrior
from Hopkinsville, Kentucky, USA
Date Reviewed: February 24, 2012
Strengths: Affordable, Very good traction in wet trail conditions. Handles and sheds mud well. No tube punctures yet,
Weaknesses: May have rapid wear compared to more expensive tires.
Bottom Line:
Bought this with the Panaracer Dart Front Specific Tire to replace the stock Bontragers on my Trek. These tires do not slip. If they do it is because I am not balanced on the tires correctly. Stable on cornering, does not fishtail. I usually run mine at 45 PSI. The paddle wheel design really helps climb up banks even after a thunderstorm. If you log a lot of miles you may find a need to replace them more frequently or opt for a higher end tire.
Similar Products Used: Bontrager LT3, WTB Velociraptor
Bike Setup: Trek 3700 Disc
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Submitted by
Marquism1
a Cross Country Rider
from Costa Mesa, CA
Date Reviewed: July 13, 2010
Strengths: Pretty good tire when new and relatively inexpensive.
Weaknesses: Never great on off-camber stuff, but pretty poor after some wear.
Bottom Line:
I have used the Smoke/Dart combo on many bikes over at least 10 years. I used to like these tires better than I do now. I have found traction to fall off quickly after even a little wear. When these are new they're pretty grippy, but as soon as the edges on those center blocks of rear tire tread get rounded off they just don't hold very well anymore. And they round off pretty fast. At least with the Smoke rear you can flip it around and get a little more wear out of the other edges. If you don't ride slippy loose over hard or wet or lots of off-camber stuff these are still OK. I used to swear by these tires, but there are better tires out there for trickier riding. Not sure if I expect more now or the tires aren't as good as they used to be. Either way, not my favorite anymore.
Favorite Trail: If I told you, you'd ride there and I can't have that...
Duration Product Used: More than 3 years
Price Paid:
$25.00
Purchased At: Performance
Similar Products Used: Every other tire
Bike Setup: Had these on multiple bikes over the years
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Submitted by
Wanga
a Weekend Warrior
from Deep River, CT, USA
Date Reviewed: January 8, 2010
Strengths: traction, control and super lightweight
Weaknesses: may lose edge under heavy leaning
Bottom Line:
I have tried so many of the new high-tech tires and have not found a tire better than these. Panaracer has not only a classic, but a work of art. So many friends of mine ride the Kenda Nevegals and swear by them, but still slip more than I do. I also tried the Bontrager Big Earls and found that the Smoke has better traction than they do!
Submitted by
Mike Jackson
a Cross Country Rider
from Cedar park tx
Date Reviewed: April 21, 2009
Strengths: i will agree, with the durability of this combo,& the traction that come from no where. hard to torture. you name it, they'll hook on to it like a leach!!
Weaknesses: too far back to remember back in 89 or 91.
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back in the daywhen when farmer john tires were around, and when knobs on a tire were the thing. I got the combo on a old GT Karakorm steal frame (I miss that frame)these tires came on the bike when I baught it. these two tires where amazing. climbing, at time my front wheel would lift from the traction I'd get even on loose gravel, sand, loose on hard pack what ever was rolled over. And even tore some knobs off the rear and still had casing left. now I'm hearing that these things are still around. i've been waitng to get this set up again, and thy're affordable. time for my old favorite combo. That I've not been able to duplicate in any way.
Strengths: Light weight, awesome tread pattern, rides over and through everything!! Wet...Dry... Rocks...Roots...Whatever!!! Awesome humm on pavement, on your ride to the trail.
Weaknesses: Not made in tubeless form yet. My 2.1 actually measures 2.0, but for a rear tire, no mas...
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I've rode these for 20 years. Used to ride these on front as well, before they came out with the Dart. I've tried some other tires, but always came back to these. THIS IS THE BEST REAR TIRE EVER MADE...EVER!!! It alway's wears well, and I've never had a flat issue with these, or any other issue as a matter of fact. And after 20 years of hammering on these, through EVERY type of midwestern terrain and weather condition, I think, is quite a testemant to their performance and durability. If your still running tubes this is the only rear tire I would use. All for only $25- incredible!!!
Bike Setup: Ibis steel Mojo, Rocky Mountain Team Only Vertex, xtr, mavic, other high end stuff...
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Submitted by
norseman
a Cross Country Rider
from alta loma, ca usa
Date Reviewed: February 13, 2009
Strengths: Great traction. Light. Climbs extremely well.
Weaknesses: Wears out fast. Last two tires were junk. See narrative.
Bottom Line:
I orginally bought these tires to replace the more expensive and heavier Velociraptors on the rear. Where I live is ALL hills. I ride one block to the trails of the San Bernardino Mountains where it is mostly gravel and rocks, loose conditions over hardpack. They wear out a lot faster than most other tires but they get tortured up steep loose climbs followed by fast downhills. I was ok with the wear since they work so well in those conditions but the last two tires had defects. Ive used about 7 of these tires over two years with no problem but a tire I got in Oct 2008 developed tears ahead of each center knob that went straight thru to the innter tube. Performance Bike replaced it for free but the second tire developed a bulge in the sidewall followed by the same tearing problem. I dont even want to go back for another free one so Im switching back to my Velociraptors... That is, as soon as Im done trying to set a world record for the longest rear wheel skid using a Panaracer Smoke.
Similar Products Used: Panaracer Fire, Continental Vertical, WTB velociraptor
Bike Setup: 2005 Trek Top Fuel 110. All stock.
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Submitted by
AndrwSwitch
a Cross Country Rider
from Seattle, WA
Date Reviewed: January 18, 2009
Strengths: Decent grip outside of mud, climbs well
Weaknesses: poor manners in a skid, not brilliant in mud, a little narrow for a 2.1", sits a little funny on wide (22mm internal) rims.
Bottom Line:
It's definitely an upgrade from the Specialized Resolution, but I think I'll try something else when I buy my next tire. The performance is pretty good when it's dry, and it rolls well enough at low pressure for me to keep it at 25psi (I'm 145 lbs) without being frustratingly slow. I'm into "all conditions" tires because I don't want to change my tire every time I go for a ride. This tire is just a little weird. It definitely climbs well, including pretty bad surfaces, and it stays hooked up better than the Resolutions or my Cross Country did, but when it loses grip it can be a bit of a surprise and quite hard to recover. I've noticed, glancing back at it, that it tends to accumulate mud between the side knobs. It also has a very square profile on the rims I have.
People with narrower rims than mine will probably like it a lot more. People who climb a lot will be into it. People who go at a fast enough pace to need to lean into their turns a lot are likely to have some problems with it on bad surfaces at either extreme - dust and grit over slick surfaces and mud.
Bike Setup: Specialized Hardrock with stock wheels, Panaracer Dart up front
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Submitted by
Barkleyfan
a Cross Country Rider
from Iowa
Date Reviewed: September 27, 2008
Strengths: traction, wear
Weaknesses: recovery
Bottom Line:
The Smoke is the best climbing tire I've used in 16 years of mountain biking. It hooks up on any surface, in any conditions, even ice. For a front tire, I tried the Dart up front, but I have to say the Ritchey Z-Max worked better for me. The only issue I had with the Smoke is that once you actually do break traction with it (which takes alot of effort) it is skechy in the corners. It slides, then gets grabby, making a slide unpredictable.
Submitted by
beedubs
a Cross Country Rider
from BG, KY
Date Reviewed: September 24, 2008
Strengths: Timeless design, long lasting (stay off pavement), clears well, grips great.
Weaknesses: Panaracer has reduced availability internationally, lite combos are apparently no longer available.
Bottom Line:
I've been riding for over 15 years (semi-pro back in the day... before I got fat and lazy!). I've tried a dozen or so different tires over the years and have always given them away or thrown them out... except for the smoke/dart combo. They are eventually worn down (on dirt) and used for rail/trail or riverside riding with the gf before being tossed out. I've never ridden downhill and don't do much technical or jump. I'm basically hard-pack singletrack and this setup is the best that I've found. I'll never buy another combo. Best of all, they're perceived as cheap now.
BW
Bike Setup: Old school V2000 Cannondale, Stumpjumper, Giant Warp, now Marin Mt. Vision Pro 05 full gear
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Submitted by
pos51
a Cross Country Rider
from Stoke-On-Trent, Staffordshire, UK
Date Reviewed: August 1, 2008
Strengths: Great all round performance
Weaknesses: None.
Bottom Line:
First used the Smoke/Dart combo 8yrs ago. Took me 6 months to track down somebody in the US to ship them to the UK as they no longer sell them here!?!?!
They were well worth the effort.
Cant fault these tyres at all.
Grips on everything i ride on, great in really muddy conditions.
Best tyres ever!!
Bike Setup: Claud Butler Ravana, full disc conversion, Suntour XCM's. SRAm cassette.
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Submitted by
Bart
a Weekend Warrior
from Florida, U.S.A.
Date Reviewed: January 1, 2008
Strengths: Price, weight, price, and price.
Weaknesses: Nowhere near stated width of 2.1", maybe 1.95"... with me on the bike.
Doesn't seem to grip all too well in more hard packed conditions.
Bottom Line:
This is a decent tire... for the money. I replaced the old stocker Bontrager Jones tires on my bike with the Dart/Smoke combo and am more happy with the grip increase in the front, but have seemed to have lost a bit of grip in the rear, and that's even when swapping from a worn tire to a new one. The only thing that I can come up with to explain the loss of grip is that the few times I've ridden on the new tires since I've gotten them have been more hard-packed conditions than normal. Though, in the loosened-up sections, it seems to grip well. So, maybe I just haven't gotten it in it's element yet. The weight seems decent, but the whole 2.1" width thing is way off. This could be another attributing factor to the bit of lost grip. Ironic, I go from a 1.95" Bontrager Jones that measured 2.1", to a 2.1" Smoke that measures 1.9". Ugh.
Bike Setup: Old Trek Hardtrail w/Manitou fork, XT components, Crank Bros pedels, etc.
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Submitted by
Eric
a Cross Country Rider
from Andover, NJ
Date Reviewed: November 18, 2007
Strengths: Durability, grip and confidence
Weaknesses: Wet surfaces, rocks and roots.
Bottom Line:
Looking for new tires as I have thoroughly have gotten my money's worth out of these by being able to rotate my tires. Looking to try a Dart/Smoke combo this time.
Submitted by
Chris Andersen
a Cross Country Rider
from Phoenix, AZ
Date Reviewed: October 29, 2007
Strengths: Price ($16 combined for the Smoke/Dart combo--$8 per tire!), durability, good traction/stability. Avg. rolling resistance. Not a single sidewall cut since I've had them on.
Weaknesses: Size. I went to a smaller tire to avoid sidewall tears, but these tires are not even close to the advertised 2.1 width; they're actually about 1.8 or 1.85. When you're used to higher-volume tires, these tires feel much harsher. I really wish these tire companies would use accurate measurements!
Bottom Line:
Decent tires at a great price. Been riding them for 3 months now, and I can see why the Smoke/Dart combo gets such high ratings. I just wish the tire was a true 2.1, b/c they ride a lot rougher than the higher-volume 2.1's that I had on there before--so much so that despite liking their performance, I'm probably still going to replace them with a higher-volume tire. These tires would be great for a hardtail and/or single-speed. I've used Panaracer Fire XC's in the past, and I'd rate the Smoke/Dart combo as better and more durable in AZ conditions.
Similar Products Used: Specialized Resolution Pro 2.1's (great tires, horrible sidewalls); Panaracer Fire XC's (good tires, but these are better).
Bike Setup: Specialized Stumpy FSR, '07.
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Submitted by
Jhomper
a Weekend Warrior
from Denver
Date Reviewed: March 24, 2007
Strengths: Descent treads and traction. Pretty light. Moderate durability.
Weaknesses: A little slippery on the mixed rock with sand terrain.
Bottom Line:
The rear tire is quite good for digging into loose gravel. Took it to Moab a few weeks ago and it did great on slick rock along with plowing thru the sand patches. Had some snow experience, and it did quite well. I am a little nervous on the mixed dry sand on rock terrain. The rear Velociraptors were a bit better for this. Climbs well on loose rock/gravel like the Vraptors and a bit lighter. For the price and performance, this tire is a great value.
Riding style: I bike xc and all-mountain and like mixed terrains with some technical rock gardens, including some rough jagged rocks. The terrain in the Front Range is dryer with interspersed loose rocks and gravel. Climbing is always a part of a fun ride for me.