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Submitted by
Sea Kay
a Cross Country Rider
from Philly
Date Reviewed: August 13, 2006 | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Strengths: | Well, the axle didn't break. | | Weaknesses: | uh.... yeah. the material they used to make this hub is inferior. | | Similar Products Used: | Shimano XT circa 1990 which lasted for ages until disc brakes come out. Ahh, technology. | | Bike Setup: | Ripley with as much old, bombproof components I accumulated over the years. (Sans DT Hub) | | Bottom Line: | just like some other reviews, I was climbing up a hill, not a mtn, and the hub literally exploded apart on the drive side. Incredibly disappointed.
This product is simply a piece of crap. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Todd
a Cross Country Rider
from Cow-lumbus, OH, USA
Date Reviewed: December 4, 2005 | | Favorite Trail: | Any I'm riding | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Strengths: | Light, easy to service, great looking. | | Weaknesses: | Overpriced. Oh yeah, and I broke it. | | Similar Products Used: | Name it. | | Bike Setup: | I've got five. | | Bottom Line: | First, to dismiss some users' gripes. 1) I don't know what people are talking about with delayed engagement when starting to pedal. The star-ratchet mechanism (NOT pawls) has I-don't-remember-how-many numerous teeth on it to ensure quick engagement, and I always got very quick engagement as soon as I pushed a pedal down. 2) Not that I needed to replace the bearings ever, but I did take apart the hub several times WITHOUT tools to clean it out, and re-lube the star ratchet (that keeps it from freezing up on you, fellas. It's called "maintenance".). If I needed to take the bearings out, it wouldn't be hard with a simple punch and hammer. I've done this with Bontrager, American Classic, Ritchey, etc hubs.
That said, I did manage to crack the rear hub, in the same fashion as a few others here said: down the drive-side flange and about 2/3 the way across to the other side. During a ride, I noticed the drivetrain "slipping", but not skipping, as I would climb moderate hills. When I climbed a steep one, the cranks would spin a full half-crank with no forward movement. I'd stop and walk up the hill, be very mad, and keep going. Twice I stopped and checked to see what was wrong, and somehow didn't see the huge crack through the hub. While this was all happening, the wheel was getting more and more out-of-true of course.
Good news is, I sent it back to DT, they sent me back a brand new updated 240S hub, free of charge! I guess since these cost twice as much as they should in the first place, they can afford to do so. Anyhow, rather than breaking another one, I bought a beefier hub, sold the replacement, and made $80 in the process!
Bottom line is, if you ride XC, race, or are easy on your stuff, these hubs ROCK. They're lighter and cheaper than Kings. What I didn't tell you is, I'm an aggressive rider, and these hubs were on my 6" travel AM/FR bike that I like to jump alot. (I was trying to lighten up that bike, wheels seemed like a good place at the time...) I do alot of urban assault riding, and drop off anything I think I can do. These hubs are NOT made for that.
XC: good hub choice FR/DH: BAD hub choice | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Chris LaVoy
a Weekend Warrior
from Phoenix
Date Reviewed: September 19, 2005 | | Favorite Trail: | Trail 100 | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Strengths: | Modest weight. | | Weaknesses: | Poorly engineered. | | Similar Products Used: | Chris King | | Bike Setup: | Mootaineer. | | Bottom Line: | Cracked the rear hub from the drive-side flange to the center of the hub while climbing up hill. Judging from comments on this site and stories from other mountain biking buddies, this is a recurring problem for the Hugi 240. There are too many other reliable high quality hubs in this price range to justify purchasing this product. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Jay
a Cross Country Rider
from Illinois
Date Reviewed: June 26, 2005 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Purchased At: | Stans | | Strengths: | Lightweight, somewhat durable (only had it 6 months-no problems) | | Weaknesses: | Its Ugly, weak driveside.A bit expensive. | | Similar Products Used: | Cris King, Shimano XT, Hope. | | Bike Setup: | Stans Olympic rims and Hugi 240s hubs. | | Bottom Line: | Ive been racing these hubs on my race wheelset for 6 months now. Absolutely no problems as far as function goes. They are holding up well. BUT.....I never thought Id be able to tell the difference between these and Cris King. I was dead wrong. The Hugis do not engauge nearly as well as the Kings. Sorry Hugi, Kings are far better at that. But Im not willing to pay that price after my 2nd kid. dont get me wrong, Hugi is a good hub, but deep down we all know nothing is better than a king hub. Ill just have to live with the little bit of spinning before engagement,I guess. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
B.W.
a Cross Country Rider
from Silverthorne, CO
Date Reviewed: June 3, 2005 | | Favorite Trail: | like i'm going to tell you | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Purchased At: | lbs | | Strengths: | light weight, smooth, fast action on the ratchet | | Weaknesses: | none so far | | Similar Products Used: | xtr, xt, rolf, lx, machine tech, white | | Bike Setup: | "it's a sledgehammer"
2003 Intense Tracer, Fox Forx, xtr/sram drivetrain mix, race face deus cranks, a lot of other cool shiat | | Bottom Line: | not a single problem so far, i'm 205lbs and i'm not easy on gear, i've stripped out the drivetrain on several hubs, machine tech, white, and lx. so far not a problem, has handled many a drop and techy terrain, no problem. got them laced up with a pair of 819 disc rims, love them too. being a clydesdale, i am always worried about durability, but haven't had a reason to worry yet. if i brake them i'll update my review. since they are cheaper and lighter than king and survived a year of my abuse they get the full 5 chilis | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
tony
a Cross Country Rider
from san diego, ca
Date Reviewed: January 25, 2005 | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Strengths: | *Longevity/durability
*Weight
*Cool freewheel sound
*Quality construction
| | Weaknesses: | *Price
*Skewers not included | | Similar Products Used: | *XT
*XTR
*White Industries | | Bike Setup: | Bullit, XT, Psylo, 240/Mavic 317 | | Bottom Line: | It amazes me how long these hubs have lasted. Through 3+ years of tortuous use in mud, sand, ice, water, etc., I have yet to replace the bearings. The front bearings are still silky smooth, but the rear bearings are getting rough and should be replaced, but after roughly 3000 offroad miles, it's amazing that these things remain so bulletproof. The initial price is steep, but well worth it and quality/longevity is par none. Hard to say anything bad about these things.......it makes my list of best mtb product I've bought in the last 15 years.
Only the King headset, XT/XTR skewers, and Shimano chainrings make my list of mtb components that have no equal. I suppose I can add the 240's to that list as well.
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Submitted by
Kris
a Cross Country Rider
from Wyoming, USA
Date Reviewed: August 17, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | Too Many to name | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Strengths: | Light weight, positive engagement, easy to disassemble and clean, smoothe rolling. | | Weaknesses: | I broke a rear hub about six months after purchase. It split through the drive side flange in two spots 180 degrees apart. In the middle of a clinb no less. Going along and the the hub freewheeled. I'm probably a little heavier than this was designed for though, so if your under 190 lbs. you probably won't have that problem. DT/Hugi USA warrantied the hub for me, I just had to rebuild the wheel. | | Similar Products Used: | Chris King (Front only); Shimano XT, XTR; WTB Paradigm;(This was my first disc hubset) | | Bike Setup: | Dean Colonel, Hayes Mag plus, SID, XT/XTR, King Headset, Mavic 317's, Race Face Deus, Thomson, 959's | | Bottom Line: | DO NOT BUY this hubset if your a big guy.(190 Plus) These are nice hubs but just don't hold up to big guys. They are sensitive to quick release tension, so be as consistent as possible and DO NOT overtighten it. I think that's what made mine crack ultimately. Star Ratchet system is a simple and ingenious design. It's easy to take apart and clean, and I recommend you do so about every six months. More if wet or real dusty. Front hub has been flawless, zero problems. I get some flex to the point of rotor rub up front, but that's probably fork, not hub. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
rj laskin
a Cross Country Rider
from glen ridge, nj, usa
Date Reviewed: August 7, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | cannonballtrail | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$250.00 | | Purchased At: | hibike deutschland | | Strengths: | simple no frills design. nice smooth movement. light weight | | Weaknesses: | durability | | Similar Products Used: | whites, shimano, mavic, hope, kings | | Bike Setup: | commencal vip II, xtr, the fun stuff, race face cranks, egg beaters, useless carbon handle bars, super sexy stem.... | | Bottom Line: | great weight and good performance. It could be that i ride extra hard.. I have broken seats, seat posts, frames, rims, spokes and even cranks, but i weigh only 140-150 lbs, so weight is not an issue.
The hubs have a frozen feeling, are locked up, and the prowlers are just not smooth. Its been 8 months of riding and i thought i would see at least a year. At least they survived the 6 month mark. Still to this day I must say White Industries has been my favorite. I got three good years from their hub before I had a play issue. Huegi makes a great hub for racing and for staying light, but for racking in the miles and beating on the bike.. they aren't the right choice. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Dave
a
from Denver, CO
Date Reviewed: July 2, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | yep | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Strengths: | Light weight, simple service. Good factory support | | Weaknesses: | Durability. Noisier than I would like. | | Similar Products Used: | shimano, ringle, king, ritchey | | Bike Setup: | Maverick ML7. | | Bottom Line: | After one year of use, my rear hub failed last weekend. Cracked from the flange to the center of the hub. Never seen anything quite like that before. Fortunately, DT Swiss didn't waste any time and sent me a new hub (and spokes) within a few days, and I should be laced up and ready to go this weekend. Still, if I couldn't lace my own wheel, this would be an expensive experience.
I suppose these things happen, even to good products, and I should be glad that DT Swiss backed up their product. But I would still think twice before buying this hub again.
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Submitted by
lloyd s
a Weekend Warrior
from los angeles, ca, usa
Date Reviewed: June 28, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | trails in SoCal | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Price Paid: |
$300.00 | | Purchased At: | LBS in Singapore | | Strengths: | lightweight, quiet, strong component for its designed use, easy to maintain and well,,,reliable worksmanship | | Weaknesses: | hmmm...after 100yrs probably | | Similar Products Used: | shimano and CK | | Bike Setup: | intense 5.5EVP...with classified components, the best trailbike ever built!!! | | Bottom Line: | been with these hubs since i was doin this light cross country in singapore. transferred here in LA, well...riding conditions changed, thought these hubs will retire early. i was wrong, passed thru bad technical trails, abused...and charan!!! no play yet with my axle,,,it needs some love. give her twice or thrice a year routine maintenance using that "no tools" concept which a lot of ppl were confused previously. just follow what d manual says especially that DT Swiss special grease, which u can actually know which company makes it.
bottom line...every component needs TLC!!! no products will last long but with proper care and the knowledge to maintain,,,we can prolong their lives. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Bruce Brown
a Cross Country Rider
from Austria and now - Iowa!
Date Reviewed: May 27, 2004 | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Purchased At: | LBS replacement for Bontrager | | Strengths: | Light weight, sleek looking and nearly silent sounding. Instant engagement on the rear hub which makes those nail biting steep rock and root climbs seem to go on much easier. 2 years of constant riding through a lot of muddy and wet riding conditions (in Austria) have proven to me that these high end hubs were well worth the investment. My thanks to Mike T. on helping so many of us here that participate at Mt.BikeReview.com be able to maintain these hubs with basic cleaning and grease application. Due to all the mud/wet conditions that I have been riding in, I did the maintenance as a measure of prevention. The hubs are working as well today as they were when I first got them 2 years ago. | | Weaknesses: | None for the set that I have. | | Similar Products Used: | The only other disc hub products I have used are the Mavic disc hubs on my SpeedCity's. | | Bike Setup: | Stock 2002 Trek 8000 upgraded to Hügi 240 Disc Hubs with Avid 185mm mechanical disc brakes. | | Bottom Line: | The bottom line is "would I buy a set of these hubs again?" The answer to that question is yes.
My 2002 Trek 8000 came with the stock Bontrager hubs and wheels. The riding conditions in Austria due to rain and all the mud caused severe rim wear-through with my rim brakes and I had a rim fail soon after I purchased the bike. The LBS cut me a pretty good deal to swap over to disc and had their racing team wheel builder lace the Hügi 240 Disc hubs to some Mavic 317 rims for me at a very reasonable price. At the time, I knew nothing about disc hubs (or brakes) and the Hügi's came highly recommended from the LBS. It was one of the best investments to date for me. That first ride when I felt the engagement of the rear hub was a real pleasure that continues to this day.
The Chris Kings of Europe? Yes. DT Swiss/Hügi pretty much rules the mountain biking scene in Austria, Switzerland and Germany - so I can't say anything outside of "now I understand why". It's a quality product. These are great hubs and well worth the investment as well as worth taking care of through regular maintenance. I hope to get many more miles/years of use out of these hubs (I'll be following Mike T's advice). I think anyone considering high end disc hubs should at least consider taking a look at these when making a choice. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Ernest Lam
a Cross Country Rider
from Hong Kong SAR
Date Reviewed: May 3, 2004 | | Favorite Trail: | Any with 3 foot drops | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$280.00 | | Purchased At: | LBS | | Strengths: | The weight, lightweight, the lightness of its weight, and how light it is...
Super smooth when not pedalling, I mean smoooooootth...
And very silent when not pedalling, not giving the sound like CKs which make me headache. | | Weaknesses: | It's way too light to trust! You will be a careful rider when first riding them. | | Similar Products Used: | American Classic Disc. Funn DH disc. Ringle disc. | | Bike Setup: | Wheels are XM819 with DT competition on these hubs(240s).
2004 Small size Blur with 2004XT. Hayes HFX-9XC oil disc. Thomson stem and post. Fox F100X. Eggbeater. | | Bottom Line: | First of all, I'm reviewing on the 240s, the top-end of DT, even higher grade than the Hugi240, but there's not such product category here, so I come here.
I've these laced to Mavic XM819 with DT competition. I choose the competition since I want a really tough wheel which will not flex at all for my XC riding, and the competition was doing more than that. The weight gain was not any issue to me, coz the hub made it all up!
These hubs are the real deal, been riding on them for 3 weeks now, over 200km. And they hold up the job very well, fine engagement, super smooth rolling when not pedalling, and they are very silent! I only notice they make sound when I pay some attention to find the noise!
They survive for a few dozens of 2-3 foot drops, I mean drops from some high pavements to hard surface concrete fire roads, so I am pretty sure they can take the abuse of some 4-5 foot drops in the wild.
Will come up again when I have pay some more time on it, probally 2 months later or sooner IF, I mean IF, there is any problem. For now, more than 5 flamming for both value and performance, coz you can't pay more to have even better products than these, they're already the best! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Julian Fox
a Racer
from Melbourne, Vic, Australia
Date Reviewed: October 6, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Lysterfield Lake Park | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$150.00 | | Purchased At: | Second hand | | Strengths: | Light weight, the sound turns heads | | Weaknesses: | They may be the lightest, but they are definitely not the most durable... 1 year of racing and the rear hub is worthless | | Similar Products Used: | Just purchased some Hope XC Hubs... I hope they are more durable than the Hugis | | Bike Setup: | Cannondale Jekyll, Hope brakes | | Bottom Line: | I bought these hubs second hand in excellent condition... therefore no warranty... after a year of riding and racing and regular servicing the rear was destroyed... Hugi specialists said it was the worst they had ever seen and quoted $300 Aus for a reco... have moved to a more durable Hope hub. I wouldn't recommend these hubs if you want durability | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
#5
a Weekend Warrior
from dorion,qc.
Date Reviewed: September 9, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | still Rigaud | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Strengths: | simple,simple,simple. only one special tool required (newer models). | | Weaknesses: | ? hum ? mud ,water ,cold weather, Lack of maintenance.But that's all the same with any products.Hey!even a hummer can take so much mud and crap.Best advice with high end hub's is to take them appart before using them,so you can understand them,and won't get surprises 3 years down the line when you think they need servicing,or order a tool. | | Similar Products Used: | tried them all. | | Bike Setup: | who cares, just ride. | | Bottom Line: | Never seen anything work well after going through mud and whatever crap and hosing it down and leaving it to dry.If you can't do it yourself take it to your shop and stop "bit*cing" about products if you don't understand them,otherwise start playing BINGO. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
William Cook
a Weekend Warrior
from Annapolis, MD, USA
Date Reviewed: July 23, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Patapsco Avalon | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$230.00 | | Purchased At: | Universal Cycles | | Strengths: | Light weight, looks cool | | Weaknesses: | Seals are awful, and the palls froze up after only 6 months. Engagement has never been very good; you have to spin pretty far before getting power transmission to the rear. | | Similar Products Used: | Chris King, Syncros, Shimano | | Bike Setup: | i-drive, hope minis, mavic 317/hugi 240 with 14g straight spokes and brass nipples | | Bottom Line: | The hub was OK, but certainly not great. I was disappointed with the engagement from day one. I don't know if it's just my particular hub, and it has been a really wet winter, but I still seem to be the only person in my riding group who has had a hub fill with gunk and freeze up the palls. It's hard to keep up with your buddies when the hub freewheels in both directions.
I expected better than this for the price. Rebuilding it requires a fairly expensive set of custom HUGI tools that none of the local shops own or are excited about buying. Seriously, how many Hugi 240 hubs can they expect to have brought to them for a rebuild? How many would justify spending $100+ on a set of tools? So I have cleaned up the one accessible pall and will ride it until I can get something else, then maybe try to send it back to them for service. It stinks to have to give up the hub for weeks while sending it to Colorado or wherever to get it fixed...
Next time I will go with Chris King. More shops can service them and they seem to be a better product anyway - certainly the engagement is better. Or maybe I will try the new Shimano XTR hubs - lightweight disc interface and VERY serviceable, standard, cone arrangement. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Glenn
a Cross Country Rider
from LA
Date Reviewed: July 7, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Price Paid: |
$250.00 | | Strengths: | Very smooth, well sealed bearing.
Sound.
No need for adjustment thing like CK. | | Weaknesses: | ? | | Similar Products Used: | CK,XTR,CrossMax(broke soon) | | Bike Setup: | Orange zero, Z1,XTR,etc | | Bottom Line: | I have wheel with CK ISO but maily use 240 disc's.
Rarely ride in wet but, seems better sealed than XTR and CK.
5 flamming chilis.
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Submitted by
DAVID EAGLESON
a Weekend Warrior
from BELFAST NORN IRON
Date Reviewed: March 2, 2003 | | Favorite Trail: | Glentress Scotland | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Purchased At: | realcycles.com | | Strengths: | LIGHT WEIGHT, SOO QUIET, SOOOO SMOOTH | | Weaknesses: | NO SO FAR, BUT THEY ARE DEFINATELY NOT DESIGNED FOR DOWNHILL | | Similar Products Used: | MARIN OVATION HUBS, ROND HUBS | | Bike Setup: | MARIN ROCK SPRINGS (2000), PSYLO SL, EASTON MG60 STEM, EASTON CARBON MONKEYLITES, THOMSON SEATPOST, KING HEADSET, HOPE C2s, FUNCTIONAL MIX OF DEORE AND XT | | Bottom Line: | EXCELLENTLY SMOOTH AND QUIET HUBS, BUT HAVEN'T HAD THEM TOO LONG. GET THEM IN BLACK AND GET A SUPER PIMPY WHEELSET | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Kam
a Cross Country Rider
from Los Angeles,CA
Date Reviewed: February 11, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$350.00 | | Purchased At: | laced to VXC rims, mtnhighcyclery.com | | Strengths: | Light
Smooth
Reliable
Easy to service
Great performance with respect to price
Great customer service from DT Swiss USA & Dave Agapito | | Weaknesses: | None that I can think of right now. | | Similar Products Used: | XT disc=heavy!
XTR=smooth,reliable but not as light. | | Bike Setup: | Peyto Ridiculight cusotm SS frame,Pace RC31 fork,XT/XTR combo hydro discs,XTR cranks,Hugi 240 discs?Velocity VXC rims,Stan's NoTubes,Mosquitos UST tires. | | Bottom Line: | I actually have a set of Hayes Superlite hubs. These hubs are re-badged Hugi 240 disc hubs (pricepoint.com recently had 'em on sale for $150 for a front and rear set!!!). These hubs have been great thus far, I have been hammering these for 5 months now. i had my set built by Larry Mettler at Mtn High Cylery for about $340 laced with DB DT spokes and brass nipples...awesome builds quality and price!
There are 2 versions of the Hugi 240 hubs. The earlier version had only 1 spring in the ratchet mech., the newer ones have 2 springs, one on each side of the ratchets. The 2 spring version is much more reliable...but the 1 spring version came be updated to 2 springs...like Mike T. stated below. You just gotta loose one of the spacers and replace it with a spring.
I am amazed by how easy it is to clean and relube the internals. Just yank of the cassette and the hub body comes along with it. Use a rag to clean up everything, and relube. Slide the cassette/body back on and you're done!!! I recently used Eglunds Slick Honey to re-lube my hubs and they have been dead quiet for a couple of rides, try it out!!!
I really wanted a set of high end disc hubs and was about to spring for a set of King ISO/VXCs, but then I found this deal, man...am I glad I went this way. If you're a XC rider looking for a set of light disc hubs, look no futher! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Mike T.
a Cross Country Rider
from Ontario Canada
Date Reviewed: December 2, 2002 | | Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years | | Strengths: | Longevity, lightness, factory support (info & grease freely given). What else is there? | | Weaknesses: | Hmmm, ahhh, errrr.......I'm working on that one. Oh yeah, what no purple? | | Similar Products Used: | Nuke, King, Shimano, | | Bike Setup: | Seven Ti Sola, Pace rigid RC31 carbon fork, Formula B4SL disc brakes, Moots Ti seatpost & stem, King headset. | | Bottom Line: | This is an update to my review below eighteen months after the last one. The hubs are now 3+ years old and probably have 10,000+ miles on them. They have worked flawlessly in all this time. I've re-greased the ratchets once since the last report (5 mins tops and NO tools).
William below has re-canted his earlier "no tools" rant and it been noted that "no tools maintenance" refers to lubing the ratchets. Changing bearings, which DOES need tools comes under "overhaul".
I recently e-mailed DT-Swiss on this topic and here's the conversation -
Me - "This one has been mentioned by a couple of people - you advertise a "No tool concept" and a "No tool maintenance concept" while in actual fact only the drive mechanism is serviceable without tools and the rest of the hub requires expensive special tools. I've tried to explain before that bearing replacement probably falls outside of "maintenance" and enters the "overhaul" category but the quote "No tool concept" has being thought misleading. What answer do you have?"
Them - "I've fielded many questions about the no tools concept too. It simply means that you do not need any special tools to perform normal maintenance such as ratchet cleaning and re-greasing. This should be done 1 to 3 times (on average) a year, depending on your riding conditions. This is a 5 min procedure, even for the inexperienced.
When you open up our tech manuals, the first picture you see is of a tool set, which looks scary and complicated. I can see how this seems misleading. The tools are required for more in-depth work such as bearing replacements. Want cartridge bearings? Then you need tools to install them. If tools were not part of the equation, then your bearing would simply fall out and the hub would be chronically loose. Show me a hub of any quality that does not require tools for complete tear-downs."
That should end the confusion.
Great hubs! Get 'em.
See my FAQ on these hubs -
http://www.execulink.com/~dtierney/wmc/faq.htm
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Submitted by
Chris
a Cross Country Rider
from Canada
Date Reviewed: November 17, 2002 | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Price Paid: |
$200.00 | | Purchased At: | Freewheel Cycle | | Strengths: | Price, light, durable, | | Weaknesses: | none that I can see | | Similar Products Used: | XTR, XT | | Bike Setup: | SC Superlight | | Bottom Line: | They came with a wheelset that I bought, Mavic 317 disc rims, hugi 240 disc hubs and dt swiss competition black hubs. Makes a nice light strong wheelset. Had Shimano XT disc hubs but the back hub is very heavy ( 2x the hugi).
I take the freewheel body off periodicaly to grease but that's about it.
I looked at the Chris Kings, they are superior but are very expensive and I can't stand the sound. With the Hugi's your almost silent going over the trails. Great Product so far!! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Trl Lvr
a
from Palmdale, CA
Date Reviewed: October 16, 2002 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Strengths: | Extremely Light. Great reputation. High Quality. | | Similar Products Used: | Chris King | | Bike Setup: | Turner XCE | | Bottom Line: | I want to get the word out that these hubs are QUIET!
When looking for hubs for my new Turner, I wanted high quality and dependability, but I really was tired of my loud Chris Kings. I know a lot of King purests will say so what, but I am not alone.
The problem was, many of the "works" hubs had great reputations for reliability, but the word on the street is they are all obnoxious. Different, but obnoxious.
But the bike shop I went with said to try the Hugi's. They said they are lighter than the Kings (cool), are extremely reliable, and that the 2002 version is quieter than the older ones.
Well, they are quieter than my wife's XTR hubs! I'm talking night and day difference from my Kings.
And I have to say, riding a silent bike makes it feel expensive and high quality.
I also test rode DT Hugis for freeride bikes. They were quiet too. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Ken DeMarce
a Weekend Warrior
from Atlanta, GA. USA
Date Reviewed: October 12, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | Oak Mtn. | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Price Paid: |
$300.00 | | Purchased At: | MTBR Classifieds | | Strengths: | Super light weight, easily cleaned and lubed without tools. DT Swiss warranty service is outstanding. | | Weaknesses: | Earlier generation could have used a better quality bearing. Hugi needs to offer more colors to compete with King. | | Similar Products Used: | Rolf Dolomite Discs | | Bike Setup: | Currently Giant NRS-1, hubs are laced to X317's with DT Revo spokes. | | Bottom Line: | I originally owned a first generation set of 28 sp non disc 240's. One of the bearings in the rear cassette went bad and DT Swiss replaced it under warranty with no questions or hassles in about 3 days! In fact, they replaced 2 of the 3 rear bearings, the cassette body and installed later generation springs, all without being asked. Now that is first rate warranty service.
As regards my 240 discs, I have used these for two years now on 3 different frames with absolutely NO problems. I clean and lube the rear hub assy. about twice a season using nothing more than a rag and some Pedro's Synlube.
The bottom line is that these puppies are lighter and less expensive than Kings with the only downside being you have to occassionally clean and lube the rear hub.
If you really want to save some bucks, you can buy Hayes Super Light Disc hubs for as little as $149.00 set. The only caveat is that they have a 1yr warranty versus the Hugi branded hubs at 3yrs. Also, any warranty issues would go through Hayes rather than directly to DT Swiss.
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Submitted by
Yaron Sagi
a Weekend Warrior
from Israel
Date Reviewed: September 15, 2002 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Purchased At: | Came with my Jekyll 3000,year 2002 | | Strengths: | Until yesterday worked perfectly | | Weaknesses: | Broke for no real reason( i am heavy ) , i ride only moderate trails and yesterday i found it broken with a 1" crack from the spokes to the center of the hub , a very frastrating problem prior to a two days 120Km ride a iplanned for next weekend. | | Similar Products Used: | Non | | Bike Setup: | Jekyll 3000 , year 2002 | | Bottom Line: | Extremy mad , only 600 miles and less than a year of use and it cracked like butter........
I hope they will honor the warranty and replace it ASAP | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
William
a Weekend Warrior
from California
Date Reviewed: August 27, 2002 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Strengths: | Addendum to my post below | | Weaknesses: | see below | | Similar Products Used: | Shimano | | Bike Setup: | full suspension mountain | | Bottom Line: | Ok, I guess I was a little hard on DT Swiss. I didn't mean to imply that the tools are not available. I did a google search, and found a place where you can buy the special tool kit online: http://www.biketoolsetc.com/. Also, as indicated in my review, and by DT Swiss, you can always ask your LBS to order them.
The kit costs $80, give or take.
Apparently, the Hugi hub is not the only hub requiring a special tool kit to rebuild. A Cris King hub aparently requires a $100 tool kit. Also, it should be noted that the Hugi hub can be partially serviced (clean, regrease & lub ratchet) with no tools at all. That's cool.
Anyway, if these hubs are as good as everyone says they are, I may be too old to bike before I need to replace the bearings...
I'm adding five chilis to help balance out my zero chili, which was just out of frustration. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
William
a Weekend Warrior
from California
Date Reviewed: August 24, 2002 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Strengths: | see below | | Weaknesses: | see below | | Similar Products Used: | Shimano | | Bike Setup: | not relevant | | Bottom Line: | Here is my gripe: DT Swiss markets this hub as a "No Tools" component. So I check the online manual to see what I can do to service my hugi 240 disc hubs, and find out you need about 7 special tools to do anything besides grease the hub ratchet. Then I email DT Swiss and ask "Where can I get these tools?" and they email back, basically saying, "Sorry, not for sale to you, Mr. consumer, ask your local bike shop."
Hello? Earth to DT Swiss. Here is a concept for you: self service hubs. I have a new name for your hubs: "No Tools Available" Hubs, or better yet: "Unservicable Hubs." I guess I'm just supposed to throw these things away when the bearings wear out.
I'm sure they work great. But the point is, sometimes things wear out or break, and when that happen, some people who buy your hubs would like to work on them.
Either DT Swiss is simply not clear on the concept, or they are knowingly engaged in deceptive advertising. Thus, zero score. Sorry DT Swiss. Get a clue. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Jeff
a
from bay area
Date Reviewed: July 14, 2002 | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Bottom Line: | Edit to my previous review, I meant to say that you can get the Hugi hubs that Hayes sells as their Superlight models for less than the Hugi 240's... and they are the same hub. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
jeff
a
from bay area
Date Reviewed: July 11, 2002 | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Strengths: | price, weight, durability, performance | | Weaknesses: | none | | Similar Products Used: | Hugi, Hope | | Bike Setup: | Heckler | | Bottom Line: | lot's of reviewers say these are expensive hubs... they are less $$ than other hubsets in the same class, by far... that makes these a deal in my book.
I had another wheelset with straight hugi 240s and liked them so much that when I switched to discs I didn't even think about going with anything else. Then I noticed that you can get the DT swiss hub for a few bucks less than the Hugi branded version, and they are the SAME FRICKIN HUB.
After a 1,000 miles of heat, dust, mud, and abuse, they have held up great with no maintenance. Highly recomend these hubs if you are in the market for a highend wheelset. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Hon Lung
a Cross Country Rider
from Hong Kong, China
Date Reviewed: June 22, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | X country in dark tunnel | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$310.00 | | Purchased At: | cc | | Strengths: | - Light weight.
- Very precision design of internal parts.
- Highly accuracy machining of the part, low tolerance of the parts dimension.
- Serviceable of rolling parts, bearings.
- Quad bearings can support a very heavy load without premature worn out.
- No axial play with very low rolling friction.
- Good appearence.
- Advance design of 18 faces ratchet. | | Weaknesses: | - Expensive.
- Traditional spoke pulling method, not straight pulled spoke.
- Noisy when the clutch functioning. | | Similar Products Used: | - Hope | | Bike Setup: | - Full-Dynamix Olympic, Rockshox SID RACE Carbon, Full set Shimano XTR, Hope Mini Disc Brake | | Bottom Line: | The bearings of the hub were replaced. And the bearings were filled with low viscosity grease. as a result, the rolling resistance was reduce when the hub was loaded.(SKF bearings 61902) | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Mike T.
a Cross Country Rider
from Ontario Canada
Date Reviewed: May 8, 2002 | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Strengths: | Lightness, longevity. | | Weaknesses: | None so far. | | Similar Products Used: | XT, NukeProof, King. | | Bike Setup: | Seven Sola. Magura Marta disc brakes, SRAM 9.0sl. | | Bottom Line: | I've had these hubs for two years and I have not had one problem with them. I've lubed them twice with the factory lube and it's so dead easy you could do it on the trail with no tools but I can't see why ya'd wanna.
They must have their, reported, engagement problems licked because I sprint short steep hills for fun and they just take the beating. I do lots of endurance riding too so they have lots of miles on them. The bearings are juuuust fine.
I weighed 'em too and they are within one gram of factory specs. Thanks for the lack of BS and thanks for great light strong hubs DT! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Coffee Pot
a Cross Country Rider
from Victoria, B.C. Canada
Date Reviewed: January 29, 2002 | | Favorite Trail: | Fun Trail | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Purchased At: | Russ Hays | | Strengths: | Light, smooth what else is there? | | Weaknesses: | Expensive | | Similar Products Used: | n/a | | Bike Setup: | 2001 Kona King Kikapu, Hayes Hydro's, Bomber Z1 Drop Off, DT Swiss Hugi 240 hubs front and back | | Bottom Line: | I've got about 1000 miles on these hubs and the front has been flawless. The rear hub required bearings after 100 miles and was completely replaced under warranty. Now the free hub sticks and it takes me a while to 'free' it up before I can ride. Once it's going it behaves okay. And the bearings feel like gravel again so it's being sent back AGAIN. Not what I'd expect for the money! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
George
a Cross Country Rider
from Dublin,CA
Date Reviewed: December 23, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | Mammoth and Northstar | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$350.00 | | Strengths: | Very light, very smooth, extremely quiet, excellent quality, dealer network, dependable, hubs make for a strong wheel. on par with Kings. | | Weaknesses: | None that I have found. | | Similar Products Used: | Kings, Shimano, Hadley | | Bike Setup: | Intense Uzzi with Avid discs. | | Bottom Line: | I'm very impressed with these hubs. They're very light, smooth, and easy to lube. Hopefully they with last like my Kings. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Greg
a Cross Country Rider
from St. Louis
Date Reviewed: November 10, 2001 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Purchased At: | Touring Cyclist | | Strengths: | Light, smooth, sealed, tight | | Weaknesses: | price | | Similar Products Used: | Shimano hubs | | Bike Setup: | 2001 Trek 8500 Disc w/ Hugi 240-WTB LaserDisc Wheels and X-Vert Super | | Bottom Line: | I bought these hubs (in the wheelset) because I they seemed the best, durable, low maintenance hubs available to me. Then I heard about the problems people have had and got worried, but so far I've had no problems. I'm not big (155 lbs) or hard on a bike (the only part I used to go through is headsets (before Chris King)) and the riding this year has been dry, but I've had no problems with these hubs. I'm an above average mechanic and if there's a problem on my bike I'll check it out. I haven't done a thing yet. I think/hope it will stay that way. If these hold up, they get 5 chilis for value, too. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Cosmo
a Weekend Warrior
from LA, CA, USA
Date Reviewed: April 13, 2001 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$325.00 | | Purchased At: | jenson usa | | Strengths: | light weight, smooth, toolless service, quiet freewheel | | Weaknesses: | price | | Similar Products Used: | SRAM 9.0SL disc hubs, bontrager, onyx | | Bike Setup: | Uzzi DH, Jr T 2001, XTR driveline, 8" hayes front and rear, 2.7 intense rubber, run single wide rims, gripshift attack shifters. | | Bottom Line: | Hubs are strong and light. At first i was skeptical of how strong they'd be cause they're so damn light, but after 8 months of using them they're still working perfectly - and i ride pretty hard. Last weekend i plowed over some rocks on the downhill that popped the innertube on impact, loosened spokes and the hubs are still perfectly straight!
They're pretty quiet when you first install them (almost silent freewheel action), but after 8 months i decided it was time for a rebuild. It took a flathead screwdriver and about 10 minutes to do it, was so freakin easy i cant believe it!
Someone else on this posting said something about the strength of the disc bosses and not being sure how strong they are. I had the same worries when i first bought them, but it stops my 36 pound bike with 8" rotors just perfectly.
All in all, i give the hubs 5 chillis on the overall, but 4 on the value, since they cost so much.
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Submitted by
mark wilson
a Cross Country Rider
from ramstein Germany
Date Reviewed: April 4, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | rodalben phatty 50 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$200.00 | | Purchased At: | s-tec sports | | Strengths: | Light weight, matched rightup to my rotors and calipers no spaciers needed, quality bearings, did I mention they are light. | | Weaknesses: | None as of yet | | Similar Products Used: | older hugis, bontrager, xt | | Bike Setup: | RM Element Race, Magura louise, Sid,Cane creek AD 10,syncros post & BB, Race face cranks, monkey light riser, plasma shifters, xt derail., | | Bottom Line: | These are great light disc hubs. They seem to be reliable. I got a wheel set with DT revolution spokes and Mavic 317's with the hubs for about $310 in Germany where I live. The bummer is the price every where else is in world is nuts. They are much quieter than the old hugi's. It's really wet and muddy here all the time, they seem to be keeping out the grime. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Daddymatt
a Racer
from Arizona,Thailand different next week
Date Reviewed: March 9, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | The one I'll find next! | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$180.00 | | Strengths: | Light & smooth | | Bottom Line: | Yeah I've read all those reviews but my local shop said if ya don't like them bring them back! Well there great they're smooth and you wont find anything close for the money.And The old issues, are just that, old. all people and companies make mistakes, besides thy're replacing those old hubs for people.
He who has never made a mistake please come forward to recieve your prize
So yeah five flamers for value and four for overall cuz there are better hubs but almost twice the price. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
ryan douglas
a Downhiller
from riverside,CA
Date Reviewed: February 19, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | santa ana river trail | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Price Paid: |
$130.00 | | Purchased At: | irvine bike source | | Strengths: | strng, and true, always. i haent had a major overhaul on it since the day i bought it. it works good in mud, snow, water, dust, EVERYWHERE! i really like it and suggest it w/ a hayes disc brake | | Weaknesses: | none i know of | | Bike Setup: | i ride a '99 trek y3. it is a different frame design than others. i cracked my old one and i was sent a new frame design. it looks like a Gary Fisher. it has RST delta hl forks ( my rst hi-5's were recalled) and XTR components everywhere else. i run a hayes hydraulic disc brake in the front and it is almost hassle free. i race DH, DS and XC on it and i have to pedal the beast everywhere. it has good rims, sun mammoths front and rear which i like cus they are real strong and affordable. I can sat the hub works good for me when i ride uphill or downhill, although it is a bit heavy. | | Bottom Line: | if your looking for a good affordable front disc hub, buy this one. it nevers needs to be cleaned and is strong. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Paul Carruthers
a Cross Country Rider
from Horham
Date Reviewed: January 15, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | South Downs | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$300.00 | | Strengths: | See below | | Weaknesses: | None | | Similar Products Used: | Hope | | Bike Setup: | F900 | | Bottom Line: | Update on previous post. No problems running through winter. Hubs working great on no maintenance, just as good as new. I have hammered these hubs and they have been through a lot of grit and mud.
Most excellent Mr Hugi. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Raiden
a Downhiller
from Lethbridge alberta canada
Date Reviewed: January 13, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | the muff or kodiak carnage | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$100.00 | | Purchased At: | ego sports | | Strengths: | Very strong sounds cool and is very easy to work on | | Weaknesses: | none | | Similar Products Used: | xt formula | | Bottom Line: | very good recomend it to anyone | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
lee liebelt
a Cross Country Rider
from lillooet B.C. Canada
Date Reviewed: January 11, 2001 | | Favorite Trail: | my trail | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$300.00 | | Purchased At: | my secret hovel | | Strengths: | Well I have not ridden on them for very long yet, But Man are they light. I love them. flanges are beautiful and Brake rotor interface looks strong (it is machined down pretty small, I hope its tough) Mine came with a million year million mile warranty, so hey, Lets have fun and not worry. Oh and they are very quiet. | | Weaknesses: | I had to throw alot of clams down for them, but hey, I'm filthy rich right? (ya right eh?) But my bike is very light now, and I'm happy! | | Similar Products Used: | xt disc (oh so heavy!!) | | Bike Setup: | 2000 giant atx 890, xt hollow tech, easton carbon bars and post, xtr derailers and cog. hayes, kev wildgrippers, wtb podium seat, hugi 240 disk hubs, dt comp spokes, mavic 223 | | Bottom Line: | Beautiful and sweet. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Paul Carruthers
a Weekend Warrior
from Horsham, UK
Date Reviewed: October 22, 2000 | | Favorite Trail: | Coed Y Brenin, Wales | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$300.00 | | Purchased At: | AD Cycles Horsham ( cheers for the deal Andy ) | | Strengths: | These hubs are strong and well sealed. They are also the lightest disc hubset around ( go on, prove me wrong! ) | | Weaknesses: | It would be great if they were cheaper. Functionally, I have found no weaknesses | | Similar Products Used: | Coda disc whhelset ( please don't set me off about those )Rond disc hubs ( my blood pressure is rising ) | | Bike Setup: | Cannondale F900 Disc ( the frame rocks, the bits were cr*p ) | | Bottom Line: | I hate maintenance and I hate components that wear out too quickly. In the UK we have lots of bad weather which is quite hard on components. I have been unlucky with the previous wheels that I have bought, but the Hugi's have been faultless. After a few months of riding ( maybe 1000 off road miles, some in really bad conditions ) they feel as new. The bearings are still "tight" and smooth. The freewheel is fine. Basically I have had no problems. To me they seem like a quality bit of kit that should last.
I have still got a pair of the old Hugi hubs on my spare bike and those hubs have been all round the world, approx 15,000 miles I would think. I have NEVER touched them and they are fine, as new.
If the freewheel on these new hubs explodes, I will make a post. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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