Submitted by
Steve Witt
a Cross Country Rider
from San Leandro,Calif.
Date Reviewed: October 8, 2001
Strengths: Quick responce and an amazing ability to make your hardtail feel like a full suspension.
Weaknesses: One of the heads broke off a bolt that hold the suspension. Still seems to work fine though.
Bottom Line:
I bought my suspension seatpost in Jan. 1999. I am amazed at how well the product still works. I never had a problem with the florets as many people did according to the other reviews I've read. I've used triflow to lube the moving parts but otherwise no other matainence. I must say this has been a great product. I was the first person to review this product back in 1999. I believe the company has gone out of business now. That's to bad. Maybe its the fact that I way only 140 lbs. that the products is still functioning so well.
I have used and abused this post and it takes it. I set up the seat once, and haven't touched it since and have had no problems with the florets. I weigh 190 and set the 'post up for full travel. Three weeks ago the front pin broke the day before a race. I didn't want to ride a different setup and so I just put the pin back in and taped it in place. Aside from the creaky noise, it worked fine, I got third place! I have since ridden it a dozen times with no probs. I am taking it to a local machinist to fabricate some new pins, I'll repost after that with any new comments...
The P2 Moab post should not be reviewed here. This product is a scam. If there is such a company as P2 Components, they probably shifted their activities to selling time-share or long-distance phone service. Cambria should be extremely embarrassed that they sell an unsupported product. I will buy from Cambria again when it and any other P2 product is removed from their catalog.
Submitted by
Gary Peden
a Cross Country Rider
from El Paso Texas
Date Reviewed: December 20, 2000
Strengths: Great adjustability and smooth ride on small bumps. This post would take off if the company would help riders get the stuff they needed to continue to use the post.
Weaknesses: Company is not returning calls or replacing parts. Pins comeout and forward and rear play. I can't belive Ned Overlend helped the company get this part working. If anybody know how to get in touch with this company let me know?
Bottom Line:
Great post for a hardtail rider looking to sofen the bumbs and enjoy longer rides. The action is great and works fine when all is working. Company need to payattention to customers who trust they will take care of replacement parts and warrenty the product. Post does need to be developed for the everyday rider so it does not break down. U.S.E. is coming out with similer product can't wait.
Submitted by
Daniel Himes
a Cross Country Rider
from Clovis, CA
Date Reviewed: December 13, 2000
Strengths: First of the parallelogram, dampened suspension posts. Post is fairly tunable to rider.
Weaknesses: VERY VERY POOR factory support/service. Two product design flaws: A) the seat mount (the plastic "florets" are prone to stripping, and having extreme difficulty in obtaining replacements) B) the "hinge" pins. They are a steel hardened pin, with a circlip groove machined in the middle. The groove becomes a stress riser and eventually fractures (see posts below about pin comming out).
Bottom Line:
I REALLY like the post, works well and tunable. The BIGGEST drawback is lack of Mfg support. I get the idea these guys are an aerospace job shop w/ too much CNC time on their hands. I used to work at McDonnell Douglas (at both Long Beach and Torrance). I've rebuilt the shock's damper unit, adding a higher viscosity oil, really felt it improved the ride. I'm currently struggling to re-vamp the broken "hinge" pin problem. Best solution to date is to use a steel dowel pin (.250Dia) and then drill and tap the center spacer for a set screw. If ANYONE out there has had success in getting "florets" I'd LIKE to buy a set. I've called and emailed the Mfg but they NEVER respond. HELP!! Has anyone every filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau? (http://www.la.bbb.org/gccomplaint.html) Email me with your thoughts, and/or share repair solutions.
Strengths: It does take the sting out of the roots and sharp hits.
Weaknesses: Can't take abuse.
Bottom Line:
I sent my post back in January to be upgraded for $40. I have ridden it 5 times since I received it back and raced on it once. I have not had any significant crashes so there has been no damage to the post. I rode it last night and had the front pivot pin come part way out. I noticed there was problem because the post started to really creak and my bike shorts snagged the pin. My plan is to send it back and have it repaired and put a normal post on my bike. I really liked the post because I back problems but I am not happy with its reliability.
Similar Products Used: Proflex 852 full suspension
Bike Setup: Sola Seven, Girven fork, XTR
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Submitted by
Dan
a Cross Country Rider
from St. Thomas, USVI
Date Reviewed: July 6, 2000
Strengths: adjustability, rebound damping, looks
Weaknesses: seat clamp design, CUSTOMER SERVICE !!!!
Bottom Line:
Other than the seatclamp design, which I agree is cheesey, I have been extremely satisfied with how this seatpost works. I have ridden it in challenging conditions around the world and it always came through. However, recently I contacted P2 to order some replacement florets. I was told by Adrian to send them the post and they would upgrade it and send it back within 7 days. That was 6 weeks ago. No one at P2 ever answers the phone or returns messages. Now, their line has been disconnected and I am still without a seatpost for my ride.
This company put out a product that got great reviews (despite the screw up on the details). Unfortunately, it would seem, they couldn't figure out how to turn it into a business. Well boys, screwing your customers is not a good plan. You buy a suspension seatpost to cushion the ride....not take it up the rear.
Bottom line - If you are looking for a quality product supported by quality customer service, don't buy the Moab from P2 Components. Unless a successful industry leader buys the design (like Cane Creek did with Thudbuster), look for another product.
Submitted by
Sam
a Racer
from Santa Barbara, California
Date Reviewed: June 18, 2000
Strengths: action, apparent workmanship
Weaknesses: The florets
Bottom Line:
Me and my buddy got the P2 at the same time. We both stripped the florets on our first rides. You know, I never had heard the word "floret" until I owned this post. Apparently, the manufacturers created their seatpost in a dark, confusing cave like area or maybe beneath a rock- the design of the head is unlike any seatpost I have ever seen- imagine relying on skimpy scalloped plastic bits to hold your seat together... if they had only copied any accepted design out there, like a Syncros or even a generic $20 Kalloy (like other companies have successfully done), I would be able to review the p2's performance as opposed to just observing how its foolish design fails to hit the ball over the fence. Yeah, my Rock Shox post isn't as plush, but at least it doesn't detonate on use. BTW I am 175 lbs and my buddy is like 200. So maybe this product is okay if you're a 97 lb nancy boy. But mine is in the trash, chalked up to a very poor investment on my part. Get any seatpost except this one!
Bike Setup: Hardtail, 4 inch fork, short stem & rise bars
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Submitted by
Wayne Bergman
a Weekend Warrior
from North Vancouver Canada
Date Reviewed: April 16, 2000
Strengths: Adjustability, Rebound Dampening,Good low profile looks and Quality Construction.
Weaknesses: Concerned about linkage damage in the event of a crash, if the saddle takes a nasty side load I wonder what would happen.
Bottom Line:
I have been very pleased with my purchase to date. I works and looks great. I have had a full suspension Dekerf for years. It was an old design from 1995 using an Amp b3 rear and it prety beat up now. Also I was getting a little tired of the maintence routine and expence. As Iam doing more trials riding and slow riding now and losing interest in the faster rides this is the perfect set up for me. As I have a small frame @ 15.5" as I want the stand over hight and saddle clearance for technical riding which means I need a long post. P2 made mine 400mm in length which was not an option for most of the other makers. Also with the small bike and long post I thought the inherent flex in a longer post would also further contribute to stiction if I were to go with the telescoping design. I have had no problems with my florets as many have comented on. Maybee because I am a light weight @ 145lbs or maybee I havent had it long enough. I wonder if those that have compained about the florets have followed the tourqueing and greasing instuction for saddle instilation as mentioned in the manual. I have only had the bike out 10 or so times with this set up but so far I am very impressed. I can't see myself buying another full suspension bike any time soon.
Weaknesses: FLORETS REPLACED 3 TIMES IN 6 MONTHS, CONSTANTLY CREAKING, WHEN FLORETS STRIP SEAT NOSE GOES STRAIGHT UP, AND BIKE IS UNRIDABLE. MOUNTING SEATS WITH SIDES THAT EXTEND BELOW RAILS MAKES MOUNTING EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. SEAT MOUNTING IS ITS OVERALL WEAKNESS. GET RID OF FLORETS.
Bottom Line:
THE MANUFACTURER MUST NOT READ REVUES OR THE FLORET PROBLEM WOULD HAVE BEEN CURED BY NOW. I WISH I COULD GET MY MONEY BACK.
Similar Products Used: CANE CREEK THUD BUSTER. QUITER, MORE DURABLE, LESS COMPLICATED SEAT MOUNTING. WORTH THE WEIGHT DIFFERENCE. LACK OF DAMPNING NOT NOTICED OFF ROAD.
Bike Setup: 99 TREK PRO ISSUE OCLV, XTR, SID SL, CANE CREEK WHEELS, BONTRAGER TI SADDLE.
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Submitted by
Brian
a Weekend Warrior
from Chattanooga
Date Reviewed: January 6, 2000
Strengths: Smooth, plush ride
Weaknesses: Broke after 3 months. (strangely, It continued to work even after it broke0
Bottom Line:
This post worked extremely well for 3 months. It really is smooth and takes the edge off of hits. After 3 months, I noticed a clicking noise, but it continued to work. Upon close inspection, I discovered that the front support (dont know how else to describe it.)was broken.I sent it back to the factory for replacement. It took many weeks (too long), but I have it back now. I got so used to riding without it that I have not put it back on the bike.
Submitted by
Donal Fitterer
a Cross-Country Rider
from Ithaca, NY
Date Reviewed: December 10, 1999
Strengths: Takes the hits and doesn't pogo.
Weaknesses: The seat pivots have worn causing excessive lateral movement. I am not sure how much longer the post will hold out.
Bottom Line:
I could not ride as fast as comfortably as I do now without it. I don't like how much it has worn in less than a year. I hope to send it back to the company and have them fix the pivots. They were very good about sending me replacement florets. Those have worked very well. See my April review. We have alot of roots and rocks in this area and the seatpost has done it's job.
Similar Products Used: Full suspension Proflex 857
Bike Setup: Seven frame, Noleen front shock, XTR components, Mavic 517 rims, Mythos tires
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Submitted by
Steve
a Weekend Warrior
from Mountain View, CA
Date Reviewed: November 6, 1999
Strengths: When it’s working properly, the power post seems like the best suspension seat post available, primarily due to the hydraulic dampening. I haven’t had the chance to use a Thudbuster, but I recently put a Rock Shox pogo style post on my wife’s bike. Out of the box, the Rock Shox feels like no suspension at all compared to the Moab. There are some tuning options I have yet to try on the Rock Shox, but I can’t imagine it will improve all that much compared to the Moab.
Weaknesses: Base on my experience, there are maintenance and reliability issues to consider before buying a Moab. My first post started squealing quite loudly after only 10 miles – kind of like two young newlyweds on a cheap mattress. The P2 folks replaced it without question. The second post actually lasted for quite awhile until the dampening cartridge became intermittent. The post felt pretty odd when the damping went away, which makes me somewhat suspicious of non-hydraulically damped posts. The second P2 Moab also had a lot of clicks and pops I never could get rid of. The P2 folks replaced the second post with no questions asked. The third post has held up pretty well, although it too makes numerous clicking noises (the Moab is not a post for folks who demand a quiet bike). However, a few months ago the post started to make squealing sounds reminiscent of the first post. This time instead of sending it back, I lubed the shaft under the damping cartridge. It was the only place on the post that wasn’t already full of Judy butter from the factory, so I guessed that was the source of the noise. At this point the post seems to have settled down and is behaving quite well.
Bottom Line:
Something to keep in mind is that a suspension seatpost is not a substitute for dual suspension. It only offers increased comfort – it does not offer the increased performance of good dual suspension design. Overall, I don't know what to think in terms of the Moab. When it's working, it works well. I can understand why Bicycling gave it a five star rating. However, it has also been quite frustrating at times due to reliability and maintenance problems.
Submitted by
retro
a Cross-Country Rider
from chicago
Date Reviewed: October 19, 1999
Strengths: performance, weight, quality
Weaknesses: not yet
Bottom Line:
Be seated, please. You may hammer, if you like. Be sure to bump up your tire pressure for a little...extra speed. If you feel you've gained a bit of weight, change your underwear. In fact--change your underwear. Accept a gentle vibromassage of your hindquarters as the P2 Powerpost removes undesired wrinkles and lumps. Welcome to a new millennium of hardtail riding from the folks at P2.
