Similar Products Used: Jett T2 ( Hang on, thats not similar)
Bike Setup: Avanti Moto Pro, Xverts, Rock Shox coupe delux, Azonic Double walls, Kore Stem
a Weekend Warrior
from zwolle, the Netherlands
Date Reviewed: June 30, 2001
Strengths: their stiff, and they hold op for my abuse, easy to service
Weaknesses: the short steering angle
their work good, you can feel the damping work, but not so smooth as marzocchi, they do bottom out on big jumps but you do not feel that really, just two weeks ago I had the outerpart replaced because there was a tear in the brake arch, and that cost me just $ 70 and they even serviced the fork for that, so I can abuse i again.... and even because of the short steering angle I will give 5 chillies because you do not notice that in FR or DH
Weaknesses: -bottoms out all the time even thought the oil level is at maximum -breaks very easily -lack of travel -adjuster knobs fall or get stuck -looks(?)
This fork brings you some big problems and gives you an ultimate headache. It breaks very, very easily. Please do me a favor and do not buy this fork! (unless you are a real softcore rider who just wants to have a nice-looking fork and doesn´t mind the lack of quality)
Bike Setup: Mountain Cycle San Andreas This fork, Sram 9.0 (9.0sl shifters) mavic 521 rims, roox xc cracks
from Baltimore, Maryland, USA
Date Reviewed: December 28, 2000
Strengths: good with small bumps, always smooth, never gets stuck, low maintenence, easy to remove wheels
Weaknesses: doesnt bottom out much, bobs a little
I think it is a good all around shock, it can absorb small bumps, and is great with big bumps. Allows riding to be much easier and more controlled. Very nice when going downhill. It is a little overpriced, but i got mine with my bike so it was a good deal. It bobs when going up hills and the travel is a little on the short side.
Similar Products Used: sid sl, judy xl, fatty d (headshock), judy xc
Bike Setup: i have the x-vert r on my trek y-glide deluxe(full)
from Perth, Western Australia
Date Reviewed: December 18, 2000
Strengths: Adjustability Damping stiffness
Weaknesses: Have seen a dropout snap off a 99 xvert.
I set it up right in the first week of ownership, service it every couple of months, Fitted brake booster to front Magura. I increased the compression damping after bottoming harshly in DH practice, was fine for race runs. finished 2nd expert 99 WA DH season. Put on Shimano front disk with simple adapter for top mount. I looked after it and set it up right and I didn't have any problems with this fork. Soon upgrading to a 2001 Jnr T
Strengths: Stiff, relatively light (compared to my options at the time...), nice sping rate.
Weaknesses: Short steertube(got it off a demo bike), not enough clamp clearance
It Works well. It was a nice change to the SX I was riding before(try 4'drops w/2.75" travel!!!) I have heard that the adjusters don't work(in various magazines and here), however I havefound that mine had a perfect range. Also, many people complain about the spring rate, I don't think they keep in mind that the stock setup is meant for riders in the 140lbs range. If you can find one without a cut steertube, they are great.
I bought this fork used. I got a good deal and it had not been ridden very much at all.
I think for the price I paid... $150.00US, it was a great deal. I have blown two MCU's and busted all the upper internals on the compression side... That was from a six foot drop that I didn't land very well. Anyway, I think the fork is pretty good.
I have had great service from Answer... " Dave Brown "
Bottom line: If you are not too hard on a fork and you have an average weight... You'll love this fork. I think the new Manitous are pretty kick ass!
from Orange Co., CA
Date Reviewed: March 28, 2000
Strengths: looks, value, easy to maintain, stiff
Weaknesses: stock springs and elastomers, bad turning radius, cheesy plasic adjustment knobs, triple clamp on upper crown is very thin and tears if you remove and replace it too often.
This is a great fork if you do a couple of things to it. It felt too spongy when I first got it. I got the Mountain Speed spring kit (firm) and replaced the stock oil with 5 wt. The kit replaces the stock spring and elastomers with a longer spring and pvc spacer. It a totally diferent fork now. Nice and active. I did break the magneseum lowers in the first year, but Manitou replaced them and they've held up ever since. I've just tried the new White Bros. DS3 98MM triple clamp fork and they are awsome, so I'm switching to those, but my x-verts have served me well.
Similar Products Used: Judy XL Triple, White Bros. DS3,
Bike Setup: 98' FSR Elite, XTR, Mavic 521, WTB Moto Raptor, Mountain Speed FSR bearing kit, X-vert R with Mountain Speed firm spring kit, 5 wt. oil
Date Reviewed: March 22, 2000
Strengths: light weight looks
Weaknesses: mud clearance not strong too soft
When i got these forks i thought that they were great. That was until i did a few downhill runs. Everyone says that their forks are stiff well these thing just bottom out all the time. Then after the first year of owning them the drop out on the left leg broke off. So, because it was after waranty i'm going to have to buy new lower legs at over $300. Maybe i got a bad fork or something. Who knows.
from Melbourne, Australia
Date Reviewed: March 2, 2000
Strengths: fairly stiff, good suspension action. Takes the big and small hits well
Weaknesses: doesnt last long. steering is S H I T H O U S E!!!! Mud clearance is pretty C R A P.
for the first 6 months of freeriding and occasionally racing this fork, it was great. Good action, stiff, smoothed out the trails, kept the tyre firmly on the ground. Just what a fork should do. After this time, the fork went from bad to worse. First it started to jiggle over small stutterry stuff. The the damping leg F U C K E D UP. Dont ask me what happened, the just froze up and gave me about 10mm of travel. I tried changing the oil, greasing the legs, checking the springs, evenning out the legs (the right leg tends to move up in the crown because of the springs being onlyu in that side), but nothiung worked. I am now stuck with forks that dont work and because of that i cant even sell them. If you want a fork to last you 6 months of freeriding, go for it, its one of the best forks out there for that price and putpose. If you want something that will last, go for Marzochhis, they are by far the best forks on the market. My Z4s are better than my X-Vert R's. Oh, and dont try putting a 2.7" tyre in these forks, they rub the brake mounts (stupid me hey?).
Bike Setup: Avanti Moto Pro (its Australian and absolutely ROCKS!!!)
a Weekend Warrior
from Edinburgh, UK
Date Reviewed: February 10, 2000
Strengths: Stupidly light for the travel and performance Stiff Looks cool(ish) Piss cheap (to me) Easy to adjust Strong (So far!)
Weaknesses: Lack of steering lock (Only very occaisionally a problem) Plastic threads will undoubtably break at some point Mud clearance Rebound adjuster went AWOL after first landing Weirdo disc mounts Loose bushings Crap gaiters
I paid £150 for them a year ago which seems like a bargain to me. They went on my Heckler fine and matched the back very well. 3 weeks after purchase me and the bike accidently fell off a cliff and the sliders took all the impact - huge dent = zero movement. ATB sales, the UK importer are crap - they wont speak to you direct and seem to lead the dealers a dance as well. Took 3 months to get some new sliders which cost me a (discounted) £100 which makes the forks not as much as a bargain as I thought. New sliders have grease ports which arent as good a thing as I expected - the grease just squirts up past the seals - plus the bushings are slightly to big causing movement between the sliders & stanchions which I havent been bothered to sort out. Looking down at the reviews i reckon I've been lucky - I suspected the plastic top caps would be crap but so far they have been fine - Just be real careful screwing them in..... They are now on my Patriot which has a 5" back end and they still are coping quite well No bottom out smack like on bombers, not quite as smooth however, They seem fairly mud proof despite crap gaiters & severe Scottish weather! If I knacker them again I'll not bother ATB sales or manitou it'll be in the bin a by sumat else. I'm going to try to up the travel to 5" at some point if I can make up a new damper rod plus I've just painted them matt black to match my frame!! If someone offers you a pair cheap second hand (sub £100)and your after some dual crowns without the weight penalty for a 4 or 5" back end I'd go for them but be prepared to bodge them up if they break...... 130mm Z1s next methinks
Bike Setup: Orange patriot (formerly SC Heckler) Magura disc at front, plus some other stuff...
from Easthampton, Mass.
Date Reviewed: December 20, 1999
Strengths: Kinda strong. No others worth mentioning.
Weaknesses: The cheap plastic piece of junk on the top that they call an adjuster. The cheap sh*t inside that they call TPC. And also the triple double's inferior design that allows it to smack your frame. (read on).
I will tell you that when I first bought it I thought it was the best, WRONG! I have broken it over five times and the company still hasn't sent to me the correct replacement parts. I will be starting a Don't buy Manitou fork web page real soon unless they don't come clean and start sending out to all of us stupid suckers new parts to replace the inferior parts. I have seen it to many times. I took a little jump...yes little, and the rt. side adjuster broke! I know a lot of people that broke their's. Don't buy one! They can't take a hit! I also think they didn't design enough room for the head tube. It has dented my frame from the short triple clamp angle. I think the are tired of telling us guys the truth and are starting to make up stories to tell us it is our fault. It isn't. They design crap! Simple. Buy a pogo stik first!