Still have the bike and it is performing well. Now has a 7" travel Jr. T and the rear is in the 7" position with a 450lb Ti spring. The stock spring that came on the Rock Shox shock was only 235 lbs. Way, way too soft for my 195lb weight.
Funny that my frame outlasted Supergo which is no longer in business. Next upgrade will be hydraulic disc brakes and a Fox rear shock. Despite all the bad reviews I ever read about the Rock Shox, it still works. Not going to fix that until it is broke.
Submitted by
Pete
a Cross Country Rider
from Bend, OR, USA
Date Reviewed: March 4, 2008
Strengths: Easton RAD tubing is superbly strong, paint has lasted due to Maguires car wax, bomb proof for my kind of riding. Loads of tire clearance!!
Weaknesses: Off center rear end and limited rear end changes!!
Bottom Line:
Original kit is fine for someone just getting into the experience of full suspension gravity riding but the components were too...........blah! After changing all the kit to the Pike and the DHX air shock this bike dropped down to 35lbs from the original 42lbs. Wow!! As a trail/FR set up this bike would rock with a Marzocchi 66SL ATA 140/180 air fork and some avid hydro's. For the money this bike is worth it but unfortunately too small for my huge 225lb 6ft 6" frame.
Bike Setup: Pike coil 05' 140mm with extra firm spring, chris king headset, avid 8" mech brakes, sram X9 drivetrain, thomson front and rear, hope hubs on single track rims, kenda nevegal 2.4 tires, wtb saddle, (upgraded to 2007 DHX Air 5.0)
Strengths: hmm let me check................ well i guess it's cheap both types. uhh yeah I can't think of any
Weaknesses: Oh where to start well.Sing arm moves over every time i ride.(I have to move it back with a hammer. i titen it but it moves right back after a session.)that paint rubs off easily. lesser known brand.Cable guides are weird you have to use clips that are lost easy.
Bottom Line:
Well DO NOT GET THIS BIKE. I have had for about 3 years.It is not a good buy. the swingarm problem has been going since mabey the month after i got it. This bike gives me problems every time i ride. all it is is a heavy pointless pig.
Strengths: Easton Tubing. Strong frame. Great tire clearance. Great rear shock...Manitou Swinger 6 way is a very efficient pedal platform and very adjustable. Adjustable travel between 6-7". Very strong replaceable dropouts. Geometry is good. High bottom bracket for clearance. Nice paint job and overall looks.
Weaknesses: Lesser known name brand. High bottom bracket for climbing balance and downhill handling. Paint chips easily
Bottom Line:
I am very happy with this bike: Climbs well for a 38+lb lb bike. I climb all the trails I descend! The Manitou Swinger 6-way is a great rear shock...very djustable...the pedal platform works like a dream...You just have to know how to adjust it to avoid the hard rebound I have read about in previous reviews Takes a licking and keeps ticking...I weigh 200lbs and it's taken all the 4-8' hucks I've had the balls to drop without problem or bottoming out. An under-rated high quality freeride/DH machine!
I've had my bike for more than a year now and it has been great. No complaints. I'm happy with my purchase and have not had any problems with the frame and don't expect to. I ride it everywhere from trails to dirt jumping parks to the bike paths. I'm not sure where people are coming up with it being flexy in the swingarm. I have not noticed anything, in fact this bike is way more solid feeling then my old '98 FSR.
Originally I did not care for the paint job but what's funny, it has now grown on me and I dig the retro 80's look. There definitly arn't any other bikes that look simliar.
I'm dissapointed to see that Supergo no longer carries this model. The way mine is built it is pretty light for having 6"-7" of travel and you still can't buy a frame with similar build quality (Easton RAD) and travel for such a good price. I'm glad I have mine!
In a year or two I think I'm going to go with a 7" travel front fork and a stable platform shock once the prices come down.
Submitted by
Chuck
a Cross Country Rider
from Titusville
Date Reviewed: June 26, 2004
Strengths: Many-design&price
Weaknesses: some rear flex.
Bottom Line:
It`s been 13 months now and 3700 miles(I`m not kidding)around 2800 of that is off-rode and more than 1000 of that was in the mountians. This is a follow-up to my 6 month review and while it is true I had a swing arm weld begin to let go and required a weld to melt it back together. Since that repair I have ridden almost 2000 hard miles and am completely blown away by this bike. I am 220lbs. and have been braking lots of toys through the years. This bike is as good as you build it! If you put the good stuff on it, you will have a bike that truly represents itself against bikes costing 2 to 3 times as much cash! The newer model XP has addressed a couple of small flaws in this bikes design and with the 5th element air shock included at $595... You can not go wrong! As mike said in the earlier review, I should keep my review to the bike and not the company who sells it. In summary, I would definately go this way again and when I finally retire this piece i will think of it with a big smile!
Submitted by
Mike
a Downhiller
from Providence, RI
Date Reviewed: April 30, 2004
Strengths: Looks good, cool black/red paint. beefy design, STRONG. Stays nice, you can beat this thing to the point of retardation and it rides away plush.
Weaknesses: Supergo, just like all of these posts.. whatever, 3-5 days turns to like 2 weeks... thats it.
Bottom Line:
For the price this frame is ill. Even if this frame was 900 or a grand it would be ill. 6 months ago, I put a large dent about 6" above the bottom bracket from a downed log i didnt clear while trying to bunny hop it. (i have a video of me flying into mud from the whole disaster lol.) ive since beat the frame for 6 more months and there is no sign of decreasing structural integrity. This frame handles and climbs just like my hardtail with minimal bobbing. It is fast, Ive averaged 19 mph on a 40 mile bike path with it. Ive outclimbed roadbikers on paved hills with it.. its just a good frame and an all around good bike, it loves Urban assault... (if only there were no police) and most of all, it handles the drops, im a little new to freeriding, the largest drop ive ever done was around 6 feet. Im 6'2 210 and at 6', there was no bottoming out(6" rear travel). Since this frame has nothing to do with supergo's customer service, im not gonna take points away from the frame. I notice that lots of folks take chilis off because of supergos notorious customer service and that is cool, but, im rating just the frame.
Bike Setup: Marzocchi 2002 Z1 FR,Avid Mech discs, Sun Single Track rims w XT hubs, Titec El Norte saddle, XT Levers/Shift, LX crankset(light, strong, cheaper than XT.. im poor, this bike costs more than my saturn) XT rear/LX front der. WTB Wierwolf or MutanoRaptor 2.24's depending on where im riding.
Strengths: price, travel, frame strength, price again
Weaknesses: none yet!
Bottom Line:
well i reached the 1 year mark on my ride. I have no complaints about it so far. i still cant believe i got a deal like this. it performs as well as frames costing 1000+ for half the price. the attention to detail is amazing. with my frame, i recieved a spare derailleur hanger, touch up paint, and about 10 more of the cable holder thingies than i needed. The der. hanger on the bike was slightly bent from shipping, so i called, and they sent me 2 more free of charge. my only problem with it it on the chainstay, there is some funky cable routing. if they put those bosses that are the farthest back just a hair forwards, i wouldnt have to tape the last part of the housing.
Bike Setup: manitou black elite 100/120, sun mammoth rims on xt hubs, avid mech brakes, rf ns cranks, etc
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Submitted by
CHUCK MASSEY
a Cross Country Rider
from TITUSVILLE FL.
Date Reviewed: January 23, 2004
Strengths: PRICE,DOWNHILL ABILITY,QUICK HANDLING.THIS FRAME/BIKE IS A GREAT ALTERNATIVE TO SPENDING WAY MORE MONEY FOR OTHER FREERIDE BIKES
Weaknesses: SOME REAR FLEX SOME CREAKING AND I CRACKED THE SWINGARM AFTER 6 MONTHS OF HARD USE!APPX.2000 MILES. YEAH I RIDE ALOT AND I AM A FRAME BREAKER FROM WAY BACK
Bottom Line:
I WOULD PROBABLY BUY THIS FRAME AGAIN ITS FAST ITS CHEAP AND I LIKE THE WAY IT HANDLES.HOWEVER I FEEL THAT SUPERGO IS TOTALLY LAME! WHEN I CALLED THEM ABOUT THE SWINGARM THE DOOF ON THE PHONE TOLD ME TO CONTACT THE MANF.AHD THEY COULD HELP. I THEN HAD TO TELL HIM SUPERGO IS THE AGENT FOR WEYLESS...DUH!AFTER PUTTING ME ON HOLD FOR 5 MIN.HE THEN GIVES ME AN ADDRESS IN NC.AND SAYS SHIP IT THERE AND WE WILL SEE IF WE CAN HELP SINCE THEY HAVE HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH THOSE SWINGARMS.SO I TOOK THE BIKE TO A LOCAL WELDER AND FOR 20 BUCKS IM STILL RIPPIN IT UP!2400 MILES AND COUNTING
Bike Setup: MOSTLY XT AND I PREFER THE 6 IN. SETTING
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Submitted by
Jared Moore
a Downhiller
from Greeley
Date Reviewed: October 8, 2003
Strengths: looks cool in the picture. probably would look cool in real life too.
Weaknesses: product hasn't been delivered.
Bottom Line:
I ordered this frame over a month ago. When i placed the order it said wait an extra 3-5 days. Then after that it said orders would start shipping out on a certain day. Then after that it said it was in stock. Then after that, the frame isn't even on the site anymore. I've email supergo numerous time and called many times. Everytime they tell me that it is on back stock and that they should have it soon.
Supergo is worthless. this is the last time i use them.
Strengths: Strong frame, low price, high performance, low weight,(frame alone around 7-8lbs.) 6"-7" travel, plush and even though the Rock shox does not have Lock-out you can adjust it to where it is pretty much locked-out.
Weaknesses: Yeah it flexes a little, But for the price and performance, I could care less!
Bottom Line:
I'm 16 and finding this frame made me really happy because I can't afford a Santa Cruz bullet or anything like that.
I use this frame for all my riding, XC, Freeriding, Downhilling everything. I have dropped everything up to 7 footers on this thing and I don't think I have come close to bottoming out.
My full bike weighs in at 31lbs, it makes me really happy to have something this light that can handle so much.
I like the 6" setting, because it does not flex or bob as much as in the 7" setting.
This is a very good frame and I would recommend it to anyone who wants a freeride frame.
Purchased At: A guy who said it was too much bike for him.
Similar Products Used: Diamondback XSL race 02.
Bike Setup: On the 6" setting, Marzocchi Z5 fork, XTR sh/br pods, XT f/r derailleurs, XTR hubs laced to a Mavic F519 in the rear and a 217 up front, Club roost handle bar, PZ and company stem, Weyless forged seat post, Avid single digit 7 brakes, Continental tires, Bel-air S.D.G. seat and LX hollowteck crank+BB.
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Submitted by
dookie b
a Cross Country Rider
from riverside ca usa
I shouldnt be posting this yet since I havnt actually ridden yet. I just got it yesterday and am still putting it together. I was just so excited about it that I had to say somthing. This review is actually for the 2004 model. There has been a couple of changes over the 03. 1. Paint job is alot a better. Its a gun metal gray on black. Very stealthy. It also seems to be more durable paint than previously. 2.Manitou Swinger! Using 5th element technology this shock should be a big improvment over the Rock Shox. When I figure out how to set it up. 3.Instead of a replacable derailleur hanger, it has replacable drop outs on both sides. I dont know what the benifit of this is, but it looks cool. When I get some riding time on it I will repost, and let everyone know how its going.
I wanted to update my earlier review. After I first posted about the 67 here on MTBR I was contacted by the Steve, the Product Manager for Supergo and Weyless bikes. I was impressed that he took the time to phone me and give me an explaination to my complaints.
The water bottle mounts were only installed on the first prototype frame and then they were dropped because he found that the extra welding needed for the bosses would weaken the area on the downtube in front of the pivot. He didn't realize that Supergo was advertising the bike with water bottle bosses so he had them change the website ad because of my post.
He aslo said the seat tubes are slightly curved on all the 67's. The reasoning is that the curved post allows for tire clearence when bottoming out in the 7" position since the bike is equipped with relativly short chainstays to give it quicker handling. The seat post only needs 80mm of length to be stuck in the frame when it is raised to full extension. I was able to shorten my post so that it now lowers further down. Because of the way the seat tube is constructed, only the upper 80mm is actually gripping the post. After that the tubing walls become thinner so they don't even touch the post when it is lowered all the way down.
I finally received my owner's manual after contacting Supergo and see they have a 5yr warranty on the frame. I also noticed they have that info on the website as well.
Anyway, I dig my bike and I feel a lot better about Supergo since Steve took the time to talk to me about my concerns. That makes a big difference to me. If anyone else has questions just email me. For the earlier post on soft paint, I have not noticed any problems and my bike looks fine.
Strengths: It is truly a nice frame. The paint looks nice and even the retro 80's style graphics finally won me over. the frame is stout without being super heavy.
Weaknesses: Supergo, plain and simple! My bike arrived without water bottle bosses and the seat post tube was slightly curved. I can't lower the seat post all the way down like their ad states you can.
Bottom Line:
I like this frame but am not pleased with Supergo. After I received my frame and built it up using both new and used components off my old FSR, I found my seat post tube had a slight curve to it which didn't allow me to drop my seat post down all the way like the Supergo ad stated. Also, my frame did not come with water bottle bosses like was spec'd on the website. After emailing and finally calling Supergo I got the choice of either getting a full credit back or $50. What I wanted was a new frame but Supergo said they could not supply me with a new 16" frame to replace my flawed one. I should add that it took Supergo two entire weeks just to ship the frame to me which was far beyond the 3-5 extra days they listed on their website.
In the end I chose a $50 discount since I knew that I couldn't buy a frame with 6"-7" of travel for $545. A brand new Bullit runs $1100 and I simply could not justify spending that amount on a bicycle frame.
I want to stress that Supergo was not the most helpful place I have ever dealt with. The lady I emailed and later talked to over the phone was hard to understand. Her emails were easy to read but her English over the phone left something to be desired. I ended up repeating myself several times to get the point across and asked her to repeat to me what she had said since her accent was hard to decifer to a guy from AK. We finally worked everything out but I still do not understand why Supergo has people working the phones who speak poor English?
Anyway, the frame (now bike) performs far better than my '98 FSR. It bobs down the bike path when seated and bobs everywhere else but the ride is so much better than my the FSR I really don't mind. The swingarm digs in for traction while pedeling so it climbs better than my FSR and a lot of people have trouble believing that!
The stock spring is a little soft for my weight but keeps the rear tire in contact with the ground and has not yet bottomed out harshly. I do like the frame and think it is a good deal. Supergo should have sent me a new frame, plain and simple. I cannot recommend doing business with Supergo because I don't think they stand behind their product. I hope I don't have any additional warranty issues.
Similar Products Used: '91 Specialized Rockhopper Comp '95 Cannondale Super V '97 Trek Y3 '98 Specialized FSR Extreme '99 Trek VRX
Bike Setup: Sun Single Track wheels with XT disc hubs Avid discs F/R XT deraillures XT shifters Stock Specialized Son of StrongArm crank Generic cassette Sachs chain Mosh pedals Profile bars Marzocchi Z.1 Freeride fork Pro Deluxe rear shock (350lb) rear spring Weyless seat post, stem and QR Specialized seat
Strengths: Frame is beefy yet light; must be the magic of Easton Rad tubing. Replacable derailleur hanger (it comes with an extea one - nice touch). I didn't put it on the scale, but it was easily under 10 pounds probably under 9. Price - 595 for a 7 inch frame is a no-brainer
Weaknesses: Paint's pretty weak. LBS's seem to hate supergo stuff, so don't bring it there.
Bottom Line:
I rode Sunday River on my NRS a couple of times last season. DH is no fun with an NRS. So I decided to build a freerider that I could do DH on too. Problem is, I couldn't afford the kind of bike I wanted. So I talked about $2200 frames (ID), then I talked about $1200 frames (Bullit), so when I saw this for $595, my wife was actually glad I bought it.
I was embarrased when I ordered it. I never had given Weyless a second thought. But when the frame arrived, I was psyched. It looks great. The Rockshox Pro Deluxe is HUGE, and the squared RAD tubing is beefy. No weld problems; they look great too. I really wanted a 6 or 7 inch fork on this. I ended up with the Black Comp because I got it from Performance for $160. It was either that or wait another season til I could afford a longer fork. So once again, I 'settled', but when i got to ride the Black I was pleased.
I've never ridden a Bullit, so I can't compare this frame to the bullit. All I can say is this thing rides great. I was concerned about the Rockshox Pro Deluxe. I thought RS was crappy. Well this shock is great. I've got it adjusted preferct. When I'm going fast over rough stuff, it feels like its hovering; almost like a boat. As far as big hits go, well the biggest I've gone so far is about 2.5 feet, and it sucked that up just fine.
I was really surprised at how well this bike climbs. My othe two FS bikes have both been 4-bars with less than 4 inches. So I expected this thing to be a bobbing fiend. But it doesn't seem to bob at all. I mean if I stand up and pedal like an idiot, I can make it bob. But if I'm sitting there climbing, I don't feel any bob. And the truth is in the results. It climbs. I certainly takes more energy to push this 34 pound bike up a hill than it does my 25 pound NRS, but it does go up. And with the 80 mm stem and the 120mm fork, it goes where I point it, up or down.
For most of the rideing this bike will see, the 5 inch Black is ideal. When I do hit the lifts at Sunday River I'll probably want another inch or two, and maybe sometime I'll be able to afford a 6 inch Bomber or a Monster T or something. But I'm having a blast with this bike as is. It did cost me about $1800 to build this, and although the parts are a bit better than those on the Bike Supergo sells, their full bike comes with a better fork and the Swinger shock. If I had $1800 all at once, I'd have been better off getting the whole bike. Then again, if I had $1800 to blow, I probably would have bought a bullit, so maybe its a moot point.
Bottom line: you won't find a frame with 7 inches of travel for cheaper. And after riding this, I'm wondering how a $1200 frame or a $2200 frame can possibly be worth that much. This bike is a blast going down, climbs everything I've thrown at it, and is almost light enough to pedal around all day. Buy one while they're still available!
Similar Products Used: Giant AC, Giant VT, Giant NRS, FSR, Kona Kickapu, Santa Cruz Superlight
Bike Setup: Manitou Black Comp (120, SRAM 9.0 shifters and derailleur, XT disc brakes, XT Crankset, XT Cassette, WTB Lazerlite laced to Mavic F219's, Maxis Mofo tires, and I used one of those Azonic Headlock's instead of the star nut. Whole thing with eggbeaters, a weyless seatpost (included), a cheap 80mm DH stem and a cheap riser bar weighs about 34 lbs. I used a 118 XT BB, and I've been re-thinking it, but so far so good - no shifting problems, no chain problems.
