Submitted by
Barfy
a Cross Country Rider
from Richmond, Va, USA Date Reviewed: September 6, 2004
Favorite Trail:
Douthat, Sherando, C'burg
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Price Paid:
$2300.00
Purchased At:
Trail Head Cyclery
Strengths:
Tough as hell, fast as hell, good climber, very forgiving, very comfortable over long rides, amazing workmanship.
Weaknesses:
Pricey, front end tap dances a little on steep climbs, uhh..it's hard to think of weaknesses.
Similar Products Used:
Just friends' full-bounce rigs, but few are similar enough to compare.
Bike Setup:
XTR, Avid mechanical, Hadley hubs, Marzocchi Z-1 130mm, Panaracer XC Pro 2.1, Romic 6", Race Face crankset.
Bottom Line:
This bike still mocks me. I've been riding it almost 2 years now. Got it frame-only and gradually built it up. I wanted the "perfect" bike, i.e. it had to climb well, not be too heavy, descend well, and not be a pain in the back over long rides. This is it. At first I found it to be a bit sluggish and heavy, but I had been riding an aluminum hardtail - GT Zaskar. So I had to get used to how to climb on the Id. It will rocket up a short climb, but if you're doing an epic, it's best to sit back, and let the hill come to you - stay seated and spin. The semi-slack (for an XC bike) headtube angle had the front tire tapping its way up the hill on steep (STEEP) climbs, but sitting a bit farther forward in the saddle gets this pretty much under control. I've heard/read that installing the Fox shock with 5" of travel helps this, and lowers the bottom bracket. But if you can get used to it, you'll be able to take bigger hits and drops. I like the Romic. I used to be one of the first guys up the hill - on this bike I'm more middle-of-the pack, but that's ok, because you'll find yourself trying to reel it in on the decents. Don't get me wrong, this is not a downhill bike. But if you're an XC'er, this bike will give you all the downhill adrenalin you can handle, AND zip through trees and over logg-crossings on the flats. It's surprisingly nimble. I ride in central Virginia and the mountains of Western Virginia and the Id loves every minute of it. ...also tripped out to Arizona and it was like the Id had been there before without me. It was right at home. If you're a cross-country rider thinking about going full-bounce, at least ride the Id. The Truth is supposed to be more XC, but the Id is a bit more aggressive when you need it to be. Plus, Ellsworth invites you into their "family" with festival invitations and newsletter. This bike is way cooler than I am, and it never lets me forget it.
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Submitted by
Justin Garski
a Cross Country Rider
from Minneapolis, MN USA Date Reviewed: June 11, 2004
Favorite Trail:
Lutzen Mountain
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$5300.00
Purchased At:
Blaine Velo
Similar Products Used:
Trek Liquid
Bike Setup:
King Hubs, Avid Mech Disk w/Hope Goth Rotors, FSA Crank, XTR Drivetrain, Thompson Seatpost and Stem, Easton Monkeylite bars.
Bottom Line:
What a ride! Took a while to get used to the high rider position but once you make the adjustment riding in the technical singletrack or down a rocky decent is unbelievable. No complaints on this rig at all, a little on the spendy side, but worth every penny.
Very plush, very smooth, up hills, down hills... this bike doesn't care! It'll chew up anything you throw at it and still come back for more.
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Submitted by
ben
a Cross Country Rider
from gunnison,co,usa Date Reviewed: April 26, 2004
Favorite Trail:
canyon creek
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$3200.00
Purchased At:
jb mountain bikes
Strengths:
four-bar linkage, good company
Weaknesses:
weak design,
Similar Products Used:
kona stinky primo, SC Bullit, yeti as-x
Bike Setup:
Jr T, Hope M4-8 disc brakes, Romic coil over shock
Bottom Line:
The first time it broke, i thought, wow, i must be pushing the envelope. The second time it broke, a few weeks later, i thought, wow, this is a cheap bike that cost me alot of money. The swing arm had stress fractures running through it. Ellsworth replaced it both times and said that had "beefed" up the swing arm and said it had more clearance for the rear tire. Well, it doesn't. I used this bike for everything, from epic 6 hr tours to sick-bird freeriding. Now i can't wait to get my new bike and put the Elsworthless IDiot to rest
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Submitted by
Myself
a
from California Date Reviewed: February 7, 2004
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Strengths:
Looks, machining, effecient pedaler, warrantee for new owners
Weaknesses:
Lightweight frame design = constant breakage, steep head tube angle, confused bike design that does not really work
Similar Products Used:
Ellsworth Truth, Specialzied Enduro, Santa Cruz, Litespeed
Bike Setup:
'03 Marzocchi Z1 FR, SRAM drive train, Race Face cranks,
Bottom Line:
Another posting on MTBR.com put it best: the Id is very confused bike design. Unfortunately, this bike is not built to last or endure any kind of hard core riding and I am not talking big launches or drops either. The frame broke twice in the time I owned it and both times, Ellsworth shipped back replacement frame parts (quite quickly mind you) and the section where the break was redesigned in some way. Sorry, for the big money this bike costs, the design should not be so improvised. I want a bike that can use and rip down technical stuff. The bike really needs another pound of frame material. I was a big Ellsworth fan until I bought the Id; I still think the Truth is a great bike. But Ellsworth needs to COMMIT to a freeride bike than can handle the type of riding a bike with almost 6" of travel should. I appreciate the Ellsworth's customer service, but I don't want to have to worry about if my bike can handle the trails I ride. The Id is not thus capable and the new Moment frame looks like more of the same compromised half FR/half XC design that really does not suceed at either.
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Submitted by
BobbyB
a Weekend Warrior
from Princeton, NJ Date Reviewed: February 4, 2004
Favorite Trail:
Rim
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Purchased At:
LBS
Strengths:
Great looking, nice machining, good suspension and pedalling. Very good pedal clearance (see weaknesses).
Weaknesses:
Bike: Bizarre geometry--skyscraper bottom bracket, poor standover, steep head angle on a long travel frame. Company: bogus listed specifications, bogus marketing.
Similar Products Used:
Foes FXR, Santa Cruz Blur, Marin Mt. Vision, Turner 5 Spot, Ventana La Bruja
Bike Setup:
All XTR, Vanilla fork, 5.75" Romic, Mavic 517, Nokian NBX 2.3, Hadley hubs
Bottom Line:
I really wanted to love this bike. I bought it, built it up, rode it for a while, bought a Foes FXR. Ellsworth marketed this as a light freeride/rugged all-mountain bike. It would be, if a 19" frame really had a 14" BB (although that would be kind of high), 69.5 HA, and 32" standover, as listed on the website. My BB was right at 15.1", the HA was 70 and the standover, measured at the middle of the top tube, was 34.3" (not even close to the listed specs). The result was a VERY tall, high rider position bike, which was frankly poor when the trail got vertical. I have seen on some of the discussion threads suggestions from Ellsworth that buying a shorter i2i shock will fix the problem--I don't see how dropping the BB .25" gets this bike anywhere near its own specs, much less the 13.5" "standard" for other leading all-mountain bikes (Foes FXR, 5 Spot, Ventana X-5, even Ellsworth's own Moment). The Id pedals and climbs well, and is great in rough, flat terrain. However, it is not an all-mountain bike. I can understand the confusion buyers have when evaluating the Id and the Moment: their measurements are nearly identical--on paper. But if you plan to eventually ride steep, rugged terrain, look at the Moment (or better yet a bike from a company that lists accurate specs).
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Submitted by
MTt
a Weekend Warrior
from irvine Date Reviewed: February 2, 2004
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Strengths:
Let me just say that this is a my 2nd bike with ellsworth and it's not bec. of some hype and exclusivity of the company. I bought 2 frames from them (truth and id) bec. they are an excellent company (personal phone calls from Kathy at ellsworth) and a truly top-notch quality bike superior in design, craftmanship. The id is excellent trail bike, just as many other reviewers have noted with its xcountry like handling with enough travel for light freeriding. The anodized finish is not just about looks but it's truly tougher, much tougher than normal paint.
I would not hesitate to buy another frame from ellsworth with the experience that i've had with them. The Id is an excellent choice if you can only afford one bike that can handle everything from gut-busting climb to rock garden, to 4-5ft drops. It took me 2 frames (Klein Adept, Truth) and numerous demos to finally realized that the Id is truly my alter ego.
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Submitted by
Louie
a Cross Country Rider
from Foster City, CA Date Reviewed: January 22, 2004
Favorite Trail:
Skeggs/ECDM or Tamarancho
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1200.00
Purchased At:
eBay (in mint condition)
Strengths:
Looks great, anodized finish, good choice for long-travel XC or "lightweight" trail bike.
Weaknesses:
$2295 (msrp), high standover, poorly selected cablestops, hype or stigma about frames cracking and breaking... poor rear tire clearance (nothing bigger than 2.1") otherwise chain and seatstays pack mud.
Similar Products Used:
Owned: Specialized FSR, Giant NRS, Manitou FS, several hardtails. Tested: Ells Truth, Specialized Epic, Ventana, Santa Cruz Tazmon, SC Heckler, etc.
Test rode an Id at the '03 24Hrs of Adrenalin in Laguna Seca and I have been wanting one ever since. I was attracted to its XC handling characteristics despite its height and long travel. Built (but not marketed) as a long-travel XC bike. Relatively steep head and seat angle make long seated climbs bearable (It helps to drop the travel on your fork if you have the option, spin and remain seated). Excels in fast, rough, sections where you can leverage the travel and BB clearance, but a slacker head angle would improve fast technical downhills.
The Id is laundry list of contradictions especially if you're someone who owns or has owned a lot of high-end production bikes. The Id has 5+ inches of travel but is built with XC geometry and feel. Ells says Id accomodates a 150mm fork but not a wide trail-worthy rear tire. I have no cantiliver brake bosses on my rear triangle, but no hydro hose guides on the front triangle? (maybe Avid mechanical disc brakes were originally intended for this $2.2K frame?) ya think? You can buy aftermarket hose guides but the bullet-shaped cable stops make the guides difficult to secure. I already lost 2 fixing bolts becaus they won't fit flush on the cable stops. Who fell asleep at the drawing board, Mr. Tony (Ellsworth)? Email me for the serial # if you like.
Did I already say that the Id looks great? You rarely find riders who spend $2.2K on a frame and berate it on this site, but since I didn't spend that...
Would I recommend the Id? Yes, if you're an aggressive XC rider and with the following caveats:
If you're the into its exclusivity, looks, don't mind its steep pricetag new, can appreciate the feel of an XC geometry on a 31lb package (15" frame), and avoid vertical drops, you'll love the Id.
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Submitted by
tlicious
a Cross Country Rider
from san francisco Date Reviewed: December 19, 2003
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2900.00
Strengths:
they are cool looking
Weaknesses:
weak frame, poor customer service, poor craftsmanship. unfortunately people think this bike is sweet just because it has a cool anodized finish - WRONG.
Similar Products Used:
turner, bow tie, intense, dean
Bike Setup:
psylo, xtr, avid
Bottom Line:
weak frame, poor customer service, poor craftsmanship. unfortunately people think this bike is sweet just because it has a cool anodized finish - WRONG. don't waste your money. this bike is way overpriced for what you get (how about a dented frame straight from the factory!!!). i also don't think most people are man enough to admit they dropped upwards of $3000 on a lousy bike.
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Submitted by
corey dickinson
a
from ridgewood, NJ, USA Date Reviewed: December 18, 2003
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
weight, strength, looks (welding is siiick)
Weaknesses:
makes other bikes look like crap
Similar Products Used:
c'dale f5, jekyll 700 ELO, S.Cruz superlight
Bike Setup:
Gold frame, XT/XTR, Easton monkeylight,hayes HFX mag PLUS, thomson stem/seat, selle prolink, new 04 xt cranks, fox 125rlc, ODI ruffian, candy sl, Romic coil, mavis crossland tubless w/maxxis highrollers
Bottom Line:
This frame is awesome- bottom line. the gold is definately the way to go. it's expensive as all hell but after riding there's no regrets. the romic and fox coils make such an even/ sweet suspension. climbs better than superlight, and decends better than any other 5/6 in bike. sweetness all around, if you can see spendin all the dollars.
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Submitted by
craig behnke
a Weekend Warrior
from denver, co, usa Date Reviewed: December 3, 2003
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
quality of materials used all throughout, excellent fabrication, 5.75 inches travel, high bottom bracket, excellent geometry for style and terrain i ride
Weaknesses:
no bike is perfect...high standover height, my size 12 foot sometimes hits the chainstay on pedal upstroke, cheap-ass glued-on head tube badge,
Similar Products Used:
rocky mountain ets-x70, yeti as-r
Bike Setup:
marz z.1 freeride forks, chris king headset and hubs, race face turbine cranks, mavic rims, romic shock, thomsom elite stem and post, hayes disc brakes,yada, yada
Bottom Line:
Caveat: this review is a first impression review after three good agressive rides. Will update after a few months. Let me start by saying I have no allegiance to any frame or bike company just because i ride a certain brand. If it sucks, I'll admit it and swallow my loss and buy a better product. If it's great i'll be as honest and unbiased as i can in my description of the product. The fabrication and materails are excellent, would be tough to find a much better combination of fit, fab and finish,... although I have seen a Ventana frame and it was higher quality of fit/fab/finish. Overall this frame is among the top 5% in terms of overall quality that i have witnessed in 20 yrs of riding bmx and mountainbikes. The geometry works excellent for style and terrain i ride (denver front range mountains, very rocky, technical, tons of climbing and blasting down...very dry, very rocky trails). Feels very stable at high speed but nimble thru rock garden technicals (not the best at either but a damn good frame if you need/want to do both on one bike). If you need a ride-style specific frame (DH, XC, huck) this probably isn't the best choice, but if you want a frame that can dabble really well in many areas and outright rules on aggressive trails, this is an excellent choice. Climbing felt excellent, i was concerned that i would feel a noticable difference on this bike at 32 lbs relative to my last bike at 29 lbs (the rocky mountain). Maybe there is a difference...but i couldn't feel it one bit, and I hate climbing so i was looking for a difference...didn't find it (yet). People talk for hours about pedal induced bob, if you set up your shock right, it is so minimal that you need a scientific instrument to detect it. Overall it felt better climbing because of the high bottom bracket getting over the tech stuff on the uphill. Ride was awesome, i got the romic shock and spent the better part of one ride to dial it in...once you get the feel for how to adjust the compression and rebound, you can dial it in for specific rides in a matter of seconds. very easy to get hang of. It's a rocket downhill. stable, smooth, feels glued to the earth, minimal chatter transmitted up through the bike as you hit long stretches of obstacles. you can stomp on the pedals out of turns and dont feel any "mush" at all. Laterally very stiff, I incorporate trials maneuvers in my rides, this frame handles it excellent, it's very "flickable" in tight switchbacks and you can actually lurch and surge with it. The nearly 6 inches of rear travel are just sweet-ass-sweet. it just makes technical terrain much less abusive on your body because you don't get as beat up after 2 hrs of thrashing...the shock takes the beating. I don't think the bike has made me a "better" rider as some have written in their review, but it does reduce fatigue of rough rides and when less fatigued you can ride at peak performance longer. Overall has been an excellent frame so far, but has only been three rides. will update with any deserved kudos or gripes.
It's expensive. Worth it? That's up to you to decide. IMHO it's a fair trade-off of $ for product. I have seen amazing riders (100x better than me) on 5-10 yr old equipment that you would laugh at...but they can ride the hell out of it. I think it's 90% the riders ability and only 10% determined by the equipment.
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Submitted by
Richard Crowley
a Cross Country Rider
from Austin, TX USA Date Reviewed: November 27, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Slinky
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$3000.00
Purchased At:
Richards Bicycles on the web
Strengths:
Great climber and suspension.
Weaknesses:
Pricy, but worth every penny.
Similar Products Used:
Canondale Raven, Specialized FSR
Bike Setup:
Marzocchi z.1 FR fork, Fox AVA rear shock, XT components, Chris King hubs and head set, tubless tires.
Bottom Line:
I have had my Id about a month now and I have ridden it every day except two and I must say I have enjoyed every minute. I am climbing technical climbs that I could not do before and I am going faster on all single track. Most of the trails I ride are rocky and steep with lots of ledges and roots and this bike performs great on all, up hill and down. I have a lot more confidence in my technical abilities on this bike; I now try and do things that I did not even attempt before. This bike also accelerates like crazy coming out of corners. I guess the same thing that makes this bike climb so well also makes it accelerate well; it's like all the energy is going in a forward direction. I purchased my Id from Richard's Bicycle on the web and received great service from Mike Richards, I recommend him if you are considering an Ellsworth.
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Submitted by
Chris
a Cross Country Rider
from Austin Date Reviewed: October 24, 2003
Favorite Trail:
WC / BC
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1680.00
Purchased At:
ebay
Strengths:
Stability, travel, clearance, strength
Weaknesses:
Stock rear derailleur hanger doesn't support 34t cassette
Similar Products Used:
Specialized RH Comp, GF Sugar 1
Bike Setup:
XTR/Easton/Thomson/Vanilla RLC/Romic 400#
Bottom Line:
Quite simply, the Ellsworth ID is a home-run in my book. Visually, it is a work of art. The simplicity of the design and tall standover height is impressive. The bike looks like it can take on anything XC. The finish is gorgeous and durable. The handling and stability is far superior to both the Spec RH and the Fisher Sugar 1. Having 6" of travel front and back cannot be underestimated for how nice it is to ride this bike. I was blown away at how much confidence this bike adds to my capability. It climbs great, and the XC performance (sharp turns, hills, drops, rocky descents, etc) is astounding. I wish I would have started with this bike.
So, if you want a bike that can take a good deal of freeride punishment and tackle any XC environment, this is one that meets that demand. The stability, travel, clearance and handling make it an absolute dream on the trail. Long Live Ellsworth!
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Submitted by
Michael S
a Weekend Warrior
from Seattle Date Reviewed: October 23, 2003
Favorite Trail:
trails less traveled...
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Purchased At:
Stark Raven Cycles in Bozeman
Strengths:
Beautiful, plush, active over bumps, no noticeable bob when climbing, stealthily fast, great descending, jumping, and dropping. Did I mention that it is beautiful?
Weaknesses:
It is silly that most tires bigger than 2.25 won't fit in back. Really silly. Think people, think!!! What will people use this bike for (it can take a 150mm fork for goodness sake!!!).
Also, the bottom bracket really is too high when combined with the top tube that doesn't slope very much. What a pain in the a$$.
Similar Products Used:
Trek Fuel, and I frankly am not sure it is similar. They are quite different in their purpose.
Bike Setup:
Easton Carbon Riser Bar, Thomson cockpit, Avid levers and disks (165mm rear, 203mm front), Mavic D3.1 Rims on Chris King Hubs, Panaracer Fire XC 2.1 Tubelss Tires, Manitou Sherman Firefly Fork (with SPV), Romic Shock (400lb spring), Race Face Cranks, Shimano UN 73 BB, Shimano 959 Pedals, Rest of drivetrain is Shimano XT.
Bottom Line:
Bottom line is that I like the bike a lot, and will keep it for a long time. It rides very, very nicely and is much more bike than I am a rider (so far!). This is a great bike for a "trail rider," somebody who does a lot of climbing AND descending, does drops but isn't a freerider, or somebody who wants a fairly unique bike.
It does ghost shift now and again, but that could be related to set-up rather than design, but other than that when I am on the bike it's amazing and I don't notice the product weaknesses above.
I'm not ready to say it's the best bike ever, but it is the nicest bike I've ever had. Also, as far as weight goes, my Id is 32 pounds as described, and I'm not sure I would want one much lighter (see the part spec). If your Id is under 30 pounds, you should seriously rethink your parts selection. Mine was 30 pounds when first built, but it quickly became apparant I needed a tougher fork and wheelset, which I obtained, and now the bike is knocking on 32 pounds.
It is spendy, so my VR for it is low, but overall I give it a four out of five.
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Submitted by
Marty
a Cross Country Rider
from NY Date Reviewed: September 29, 2003
Favorite Trail:
saratoga stables
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$3000.00
Purchased At:
The Down Tube
Strengths:
Weight, Romic shock, black paint job, ability to climb, plush ride that rolls over anything, perfect fit for my size, the best quality frame I've ridden
Weaknesses:
so far, none
Bike Setup:
psylo, azonic bar, easton stem, xt shifters and derailers, mavic 3.2 rims, hayes hydraulic brakes, thompson seat post
Bottom Line:
If you are serious about riding, then obviously money is not an object. I can honestly say that this bike is worth the price paid for it. Everytime I go out, it just gets better and better. Eric, Nick and Jason at the Down Tube are the best in the business in Albany. Again, if your serious, you'll go to the best. I'm glad I did.
I can do anything I want to on this bike...climb with ease, descend with confidence, drop at any height, or just ride for hours cross country. It's an all purpose bike. It does all things very well. I am stoked everytime I get to ride it. There are no doubts about this bike.
Buy it.
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Submitted by
lidarman
a Cross Country Rider
from Boulder, CO Date Reviewed: September 10, 2003
Favorite Trail:
non partial
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Purchased At:
warranty upgrade
Strengths:
Balance between plushness and efficiency. Uninterrupted seat tube. Bearings in pivots. Minimal brake jack effect. Great climbing geometry. Low weight for amount of travel. Personally had excellent customer service.
Weaknesses:
Tire clearance on chainstays doesn't match the new seat stay design. Stand-over clearance a little high. Replaceable dropout not designed properly, Speedgoat version is much better.
Similar Products Used:
Ellsworth Truth, Titus Locomoto, Titus Switchblade, hardtails.
Bike Setup:
Romic shock, Fox Forx Vanilla 125, Avid mechanical disc; 7" front rotor, 6" rear rotor.
Bottom Line:
This review compares the Id to the truth a lot and should help those torn between choosing an Id versus truth.
The Id was a warranty + upgrade to my cracked truth. Unless you want a dedicated race bike or ride xc on trails with very few drops, the Id is a better trailbike. It weighs more but with the Romic coil and beefier frame, it's gonna take more abuse in the long run. I feel the Id climbs as well as the truth did but decends much better. Funny that I do remember some brake jack in the truth that I don't feel in the Id.
This bike also cured me of air shocks. I never got my AD-12 on my truth to do it all. It either bucked all the time or would bottom out due to the characteristics of air spring rate curves. The romic seems to be the perfect shock for the Ellsworth design and worth the extra pound.
The Id allows for a 6" fork so if one wants a more slack head angle for more freeriding, then go 6 inch. I think my setup with 5" fork give optimal performance for climbing and decending.
And the standover clearance seems to be more of a good thing than a bad thing. After riding my Id on technical terrain, I go out and ride my hard tail and wind of bashing my chaing ring or having to hop up more to deal with rocks. It doesn't seem that the high bottom bracket on the Id affects handling. But it does affect standover height. But that's not really a big deal unless you like standing around straddling your bike.
When I chose a bike, I liked the 4-bar design and small things like bearings at the pivots are maintenance free and having a continuous seat tube allows dropping the seat. Some folks could care less but these details are important to me.
And for customer service, well I have heard past comments of bad service but for me, it was outstanding. On my truth, I cracked my swingarm and it was replaced within 2 weeks from the day I called and shipped it to receiving it. When I cracked the frame, they worked with me to upgrade to an Id in a prompt and friendly manner. Please note that the newer truths have corrections in the design where my truth failed so the new truths are much better--I had the 2001 model that was plagued with the stressor on the seat tube and a clearance problem with the swingarm allowing a dropped chain to jam in the main pivot gap. But, I ride fairly aggressively and believe that those with this riding style should consider the Id over the Truth--or look at other beefier bikes.
There are a lot of awesome bikes out there and among them, The Id is a superb bike. I'm not saying it's better than all of them since riding is always 90% rider but when you look at the fine details of design and construction the Id hits the mark.
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Submitted by
Mark Davis
a Weekend Warrior
from Frankfort, IL Date Reviewed: September 4, 2003
Favorite Trail:
The Deep Hole
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$3499.00
Purchased At:
RICHARDSBICYCLES.COM
Strengths:
Ellsworth ID. The romic racing shock. Excelellent feel. Wide range of adjustments. The gold spot peaned finish is very hard and durable. For a 6" travel bike at under 30 lbs, I find it to be excellent. I also like the higher bottom bracket. I find it easier to go over bigger logs and other obsticals. The ICT tracking is excellent when climbing.
Weaknesses:
NONE.
Similar Products Used:
Schwinn S10 Mountain bike.
Bike Setup:
Ellsworth ID medium, gold. Psylo SL fork w/ lockout. Rhynolite wheels w/ formula hubs. Hayes hydrolic brakes, w/ 6" rotors F&R. Scram 9.0 shifters & rear deraileur. XTR front deraileur. Romic racing shock. Thompson seat post. New WTB power V seat O/S. Easton EA50 bars & stem. ODI lockjaw grips, ODI grip savers. Cane creek C2 sealed. Time carbon pedals. Hossinfel cranks w/ ISIS bottom bracket. Michline wildgripper tires, 2.1's. Celsa seat clamp.
Bottom Line:
I'm very happy overall durability and ride characteristics of this bicycle. Its definitly a lot more agressive than other bike that I know of. As far as the paint / romic / ICT tracking, and 5-6" of travel with the sealed bearings, all in one bike, I do have to say is outstanding. Me & my brother Rusty both bought Ellsworths from RichardsBicycles.com in Chicago after being refered by multiple people for their excellent selection of top quality bicycles. Will write another review in 6 months and let u know how its going.
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Submitted by
Ryan Steele
a Weekend Warrior
from Palos Hills, IL Date Reviewed: September 3, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Slime Trail
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$4500.00
Purchased At:
RICHARDSBICYCLES.COM
Strengths:
Frame design. Spot peaned finish. Higher bottom bracket. Romic racing shock. Weight. Durability. Best 6" travel bike with a full size frame.
Weaknesses:
I havn't found any.
Similar Products Used:
None similar, but I've had a Cannondale Gemeni, Ruckus 2.0 Hardtail
Bike Setup:
Ellsworth ID Large, red. Forks marzocchi FR SL. Rockshox psylo sl. Manitou comp LTD. Wheelset is Hugi hubs. Mavic 3.1 tubless rims. XTR hubs w/ new D 3.1's. Sram X.0. XTR bottom bracket & crank. Azonic headlock bolt. Shimano XT hydrolics. Thompson seat post. Thompson stem. Monkeylite SL bars. ODI lockjaw grips. XTR front deraileur. WTB laser V seat. Weirwolf UST 2.1 & scropion python 2.2 tubless.
Bottom Line:
This is the best trail bike that I've ever had or ridden. The higher bottom bracket is excellent. The spot peeaned finish is very durable. The romic racing shock has great adjustabliity. I foudnthat the Sram X.0 works better than the Shimano XTR as far as shifting. Its nice to have a bike w/ 5 - 6" of travel that I can still peddal uphill. Bottom line, the bike has made me a much better and more agressive rider. I'm very satisfied with the Ellsworth ID. Richards in Chicago were very helpful and very professional. I shopped all over and found their shop to be the best. Now I even ride with the guys from Richards whom most ride an Ellsworth ID too.
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Submitted by
John
a
from seattle, wa Date Reviewed: August 24, 2003
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
Please ignore the review submitted by me below. It was done in frustration after a minor crash. After closer inspection, I realized my mistake about the cause of the chainstay dent. I apologize to Ellsworth and anyone else I may have offended. After having the bike for a couple more weeks since the dent, I truly love this bike. The Id is awesome. I am now very much an advocate for Ellsworth and the Id.
Weaknesses:
None
Bottom Line:
I love this bike.
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Submitted by
stump
a Racer
from USA Date Reviewed: August 15, 2003
Duration Product Used:
Tested or demo'ed only
Bottom Line:
I'm not a fan, and I'm not an enemy of ellsworth.....I do, however, ride one.
That said, I need to know the whole story on the guy below. Bumping into a chainstay with your foot while dismounting would NOT dent it. There has to be more to the story.........everybody think about this, if your foot could dent it on dismount don't you think the chainstay would be so weak it would fold under rider weight, let alone how quickly it would fold upon hitting a bump......
Sometimes you need to apply the sniff test to a "story"....and if what John says is accurate and true, then his story doesn't pass the test.
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Submitted by
John
a Weekend Warrior
from Seattle, WA Date Reviewed: August 15, 2003
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$3600.00
Purchased At:
Universal Cycles
Strengths:
Great finished. Light. Very responsive on the trail. Good climber. Minimal pedal bob on climbs. Confidence inspiring. With this bike you are definetly not part of the crowd. It tends to attract the curious.
Weaknesses:
Very fragile. Got off fairly easy. In the process of pulling out from the pedals, my foot smacked and dented the chainstay. Unfortunately not covered under warranty.
Similar Products Used:
RM Edge, Klein, Specialized.
Bike Setup:
XT/XTR/Hope/Mavics/Z1/Romic
Bottom Line:
Great bike, as long as you don't fall.
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Submitted by
John K
a Weekend Warrior
from Thousand Oaks, CA Date Reviewed: August 10, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Conejo Valley and Santa Monica Mtns.
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2200.00
Purchased At:
Mountaineer Cycles 304-292-BIKE
Strengths:
Beautifully made. Etched graphics are first class. A very nicely balanced bike. It does everything well. It climbs, handles, and descends like few bikes out there. The four bar Horst link is still the one for me.
Weaknesses:
None really, I guess just to complain the price, but this bike is really well made compared to other bikes so you do get what you pay for.
Similar Products Used:
Turner XCE, Cannondale Super V, Giant NRS, DeKerf and Independent Fabrications hard tails, Santa Cruz Super light, and others.
Bike Setup:
Fox Vanilla RLC up front (125mm) and Romic on the rear. Shimano Disc brakes. The rest are just good parts.
Bottom Line:
This is a great bike. You can do it all on this bike. It is one of the best all purpose, all terrain bikes out there. It is predictable and confidence inspiring. If you want a bike that will make you a better rider and forgives when you are not, this is your bike. If you want a bike for long rides in the wilderness, one to take you there and back in one piece, this is it. This bike rips through rock gardens. I like the almost 6” of Romic rear suspension and the 5” Fox Vanilla RLC up front. When the trail turns down hill, look out the Ellsworth is coming through. I need to watch my speed so I don’t get into trouble. The only bike that I ride that outperforms it uphill in very slow technical terrain is the Turner XCE, and I think that is because it has only 4” of travel front and rear. I’ll occasionally hang in a spot due to the higher bottom bracket and travel of this bike. That would happen to me on any 5-6” travel bike. Okay, the high bottom bracket issue: It’s true; the bottom bracket is on the high side. I have to be honest about this. I actually like it that way. I have a bike that is lower and this one is higher, it’s just different, it’s not a bad thing. Uphill you have to use a bit more body English and momentum on slow technical terrain. On technical, rocky down hills you just float and rip. I do mean rip! One plus: You don’t bang your pedals as much up or downhill! Hucksters don’t buy this bike; get the Dare if you want an Ellsworth. Clydesdales and all terrain trail riders this is one to check out, just don’t feel to bad for your friends as you pass them on the way down!
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Submitted by
eric
a Cross Country Rider
from new york city Date Reviewed: July 25, 2003
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$3200.00
Strengths:
Oh my god, this bike is amazing..solid, plush, firm, gives you power just being on it...great finish, detail, ellsworth exclusivity..not many people have it
Weaknesses:
its a big bike..even in Med..a bit heavy to pick up, but feels light when you ride
Similar Products Used:
cannondale f2000, super v 400
Bike Setup:
med, black, red panaracer tires, tx throughout, zifr qr 20, hayes 6 brakes, easton monkey bar, thompson, chris king
Bottom Line:
i cant stop looking at my bike..ellsworth has been great so far..caleld them to order some accessories..attracts a lot of attention, can go anywhere anytime bike..did i mention i cant stop looking at it..oh my god..its should be in the MET museum, how can i ride this piece of art??
i thought about an intense uzzi, but no buyers remorse at all..this bike is a dream bike for me..if you ever see one in person you will throw down your cerdit card right on the spot!!
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Submitted by
George
a Weekend Warrior
from Sherman Oaks, CA Date Reviewed: July 24, 2003
Favorite Trail:
All of Then
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$3600.00
Purchased At:
BeyondBikes.com
Strengths:
Surprisingly great climber for having 6 inches of rear travel. A plush ride that eats up bumps like no other. The Romic rear shock is amazing. High clearance is great for rocks and obstacles. Beautiful finish.
Weaknesses:
The bike feels huge at first, but you get used to it pretty quickly. Slightly on the heavy side, but being a 225lb rider, I wanted a beefier bike.
Similar Products Used:
Upgraded from a 2002 Specialized Enduro Expert.
Bike Setup:
Black Medium frame size. Fox Vanilla RL 125mm fork. Hayes HFX9 XC brakes. Thomson stem and seat post. Chris King headset. Easton Monkey Lite carbon fiber handlebars. XT drivetrain. Panaracer FirePro XC 2.1s on Sun Rhyno Lites.
Bottom Line:
Give Mike at BeyondBikes.com a call. I got a great deal on my Id, and got to watch it being built on their webcam. They do a great job packaing it up for shipping also. Customized the Fox Vanilla and the Romic with heavier springs (me = 225lbs) for me. Helped me choose the best components I could throw on the bike and stay within my budget.
You'll love this bike. You'll wanna admire it every time you walk by it. If you're an all around mountain biker that does a lot of XC but also want a plush ride on the downhills, consider the Id.
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Submitted by
B
a Cross Country Rider
from Denver, CO Date Reviewed: July 22, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Too Many
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
Mtbreview.com Classifieds
Strengths:
It's the Truth, only bigger, badder, burlier and with more travel. Actually the Id has almost the same geometry as the Truth which makes the Id a sweet cross country bike. The romic rear coil shock is also much plusher than a rear air shock (yea a little heavier but well worth it). The slightly increased head tube angle is nice for the downhill. And, the increased bottom bracket height of the Id is sweet - I know people were arguing that the increased bottom bracket of the Id makes it more difficult to ride...I don't know how one can argue with more clearance...this bike is made to go over rocks - not to cruise on the smooth single track all day (well it's good at that too). If rocky trails aren't for you and you don't want higher clearance, you should probably be on a 3 inch travel bike with an 80 mm rock shox rather than the Id.
Weaknesses:
It really hasn't been a weakness but the top tube is quite a bit higher than other bikes in the Id's class.
Bottom Line: This Bike Rocks - That's it...I rode a Truth for about a year and a half and thought that was unbelievable. This is simply a beefier and burlier version of the Truth with more travel...and, the Id rolls through anything, uphill or downhill, easier than the Truth! As an owner from a local bike shop here put it, going uphill on the Id is like driving uphill in a Hummer. Plus, I couldn't believe how fast the downhills are now.
Who should get it? Anyone who wants a bike that can go faster on the downhills than a 3 or 4 inch travel bike but who wants a bike that can still be ridden uphill with relative ease. If you want a race bike, this is probably not for you. I am 160 and use a 400 weight spring and have no problem riding up anything my Truth could - it's a bit heavier but not bad. Get one and put a Z1 Coil with it...a little heavier but it makes the downhill ride so much more solid.
4 Chili's for value (lost one because now I'm broke) but overall, 5 chilis because I'm so happy everytime I ride it.
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Submitted by
TruckeeLocal
a
from Truckee, CA Date Reviewed: July 17, 2003
Ugly Ellsworth font (!) and cheap head badge Heavier than anticipated (32 pounds) Looks huge/high stand-over and bottom bracket
Similar Products Used:
Hardtails and rigids
Bike Setup:
Medium with Romic (500 lb spring), Fox Vanilla 125R, XT disk build, Tompson cockpit, Mavic CrossMax XL wheels, WTB Mutanoraptor 2.4" tires, Shimano 646 pedals, Brooks team professional saddle
Bottom Line:
Well I've ridden this for a while now and figure it's time to post a review. This is my first FS (and disk brakes) and so some of my issues are to do with getting used to the sag. I'm 6' and I've got a medium Id and the thing is huge to get on and off. My guess is that it's to do with the less than generous standover plus the plush sag. Once on it's fine and it's a great trail bike, if not quite as precise as my Bontrager Ti-Lite on the single-track. Going down-hill is a real pleasure with plenty of suspension in reserve, as long as it doesn't get too rough. But the biggest surprise was how well this climbs. I just wasn't expecting this bike to compete so closely with my hardtail especially as it's setup as a pretty rugged machine. In fact I'd go as far as saying the Id betters my hardtail on the climbs and only loses out in the tight single-track. This bike looks like it will stay in my stable for quite a while, and will continue to get used frequently (currently 3+ times a week, 25 miles each time).
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Big Daddy
a
from FL Date Reviewed: July 15, 2003
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Strengths:
Very rigid frame. No lateral flex. Great bb clearance.
Weaknesses:
Like alot of other people cracked the chain stay. NO BIG DEAL ELLSWORTH REPLACED IT WITH IN DAYS.
Bottom Line:
Great bike. All of my other bikes i have owned or ridden was never up to my abilities. This bike is way better than my abilities. Being a 230lbs biker this bike handles my weight and abuse. This bike does eveything well if not great. This bike is great for just sitting in the saddle and climb. I broke the chain stay that everyone talks about. Ellsworth was great and and i sent the part to them on Monday and had a new one back Thursday. Anyone who says Ellsworth wont stand behind there product i find extremely hard to believe. I have spoke to them several times and always helpful, easy to get a hold of and do everything to make you happy. Like anything else you get what you pay for and you get a hell of bad ass frame for the money.
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Submitted by
G Roberts
a Cross Country Rider
from Thousand Oaks Date Reviewed: June 19, 2003
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Strengths:
Romic shock Quality workmanship Plush over small to med size bumps
Weaknesses:
Steep frame angles Price High standover clearance Not so plush on the big stuff
Similar Products Used:
Rode a older style truth for 4 yrs, Foes FXR, Gemini, Spec FSR, Giant AC
I weigh 200 lbs, do mostly x-country riding, and enjoy techincal downhill type trails. The bike came spec'd with a 500lb spring, which was too stiff for my taste. With the 500 lb spring, I would not describe the suspension as plush. I wanted the bike to be as plush as possible while still retaining good climbing abilities. I switched to the 400lb spring which livened up the rear end, but at the sacrifice of a little mushiness when pedaling. But hey, what's the point in buying a 6-inch travel bike if it's not plush. At first I was estatic with this bike as it was a huge improvement over my older truth. The bike pedals super smoothly as long as you keep up the rpm's. However, on the technical downhills, the bike was bit of a handful. The suspension did a pretty good job of soaking up the bumps, but the steering is just too quick. Check the angles on the frame, they are pretty steep compared to the typical bike with this kind of travel. Magazine articles have desribed this as "razor sharp handling". Not what I'm looking for. I need a bike that is stable on the downhill (this is a 6-inch travel FR bike isn't it?). Also, the standover height is huge on a large frame. Getting back on the bike after dabbing on a steep technical uphill was like climbing on a horse. I think this is where the high BB comes into play. After a year of riding this frame I switched to a Foes FXR, which has an equivalent amount of travel, but much slacker angles. The FXR turned out to be a much better bike for my style of riding. I felt comfortable on the FXR from the very first ride, and have grown to really love the bike. It handles much better, is very stable in the technical stuff and when jumping, and also soaks up the big hits much better than the Id. Also, the FXR with curnutt shock actually has less pedal feedback than the Id. However, the Id was plusher over the small stuff. Perusing the classified section of MTBr a few months ago I noticed a lot of ID's for sale that were built up with big travel forks, single chain rings etc. Setting an Id up like that and I don't think you'll get what you're looking for. If you're looking for a nice plush all around x-country bike, and don't do a lot of technical downhill riding, the Id is a very nice bike. However, for those that enjoy the dowhnill a little more, I think there are better choices out there (hint hint...Foes FXR).
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Submitted by
Ramon T
a Cross Country Rider
from San Diego Date Reviewed: June 14, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Those covered with Dirt
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Purchased At:
Beyondbikes.com
Strengths:
Light weight 6" travel bike. Great attention to detail, welds, shot peened tubes, hard anodized finish, lazer etched graphics cold worked alum. Romic Shock. Sealed bearing at all pivots for vertially low maint. This bike SCREAMS quality! ICT baby!!! You need to ride to "feel" the goods!
Weaknesses:
Needs more tire clearance for larger tires, i.e. 2.3's in the rear. BUT NOT really a weakness.
Similar Products Used:
'02 Kona Bear Dee-Lux, Stinky's, SC SL, Heckler, and Bullit.
Bike Setup:
Black anodized 17" Id with Romic 400lb. spring. Fox Vanilla 125 RLC, Hayes 6" hydro's. Kona orange. XT shifters, derailleurs F/R (why? In the 13yrs I have been riding I have only broken 1 Front derailleur.), XT 11-34 cass. Raceface ISIS cranks/BB, Prodigy 110mm stem and low riser bars. Sella Italia Flite Gel saddle and EA 50 post. Shimano Deore Discs laced to Mavic 317's. Stans No Tubes.
Bottom Line:
Don't buy this bike until you talk to the guys at Beyondbikes.com Mike and Taylor hooked me up!!! I bought the frame and they offered to build it up that same day for a ride I had planned for the weekend! Lets just say this bike is way above my ability which leaves room for me to grow. Cool. Its first ride was a 12 miler on Sat. on the Big Laguna Trail. For this bike it was CAKE! For not riding in over a month this bike made it feel like no big deal. Never once smacked the cranks, no loss of traction anywhere. It climbs like a roach on the wall when you turn on the lights..., fast! It weighs 1 or 2 lbs. more than the Kona but has 2" more travel in the rear and 1" more up front. Ride on Sun. 40 miler Big Laguna x 2, Pine Mountain Trail x 2, Champange Pass, Noble Canyon, Pine Creek Rd., Deer Park Rd. and Indian Creek Trail. Handle every aspect of this ride without any problems. Gee, you think this bike inspires confidnece.., YOU BET! The bike handles fast, you think it your there, drops were no problem, the rock steps on noble..., well I had to baby the bike somewhere. Climbing is just one thing this bike does great it never broke traction once. The Romic shock cancelled Bobs outing on this ride and made everything smooth. Had to look down every now and then to see if it was really working. If you are ready to Anne up for the last bike you will ever want to ride this IS it! Cool note: if you want race this thing just buy a rear air shock, the frame will give 5" of travel and weigh just a couple of ounces more than the Truth. Oh by the way, I'm still waiting for phone calls from Specialized and Kona to say thanks for buying there product and to offer answers to questions that I might have. Kathy at Ellsworth, it was a pleasure talking to you, thanks for calling. www.sdmba.com Thanks for putting on Pedalpalooza It was GREAT, will see you next year! To those I rode with, THANKS. Look Out! Ridin' Tru!
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Submitted by
frank
a Cross Country Rider
from Boston Date Reviewed: June 10, 2003
Favorite Trail:
lynn woods, mass
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$3000.00
Purchased At:
kegel's bike
Strengths:
Light frameset, the use of a Romic rear shock, beautiful anodized finish
Weaknesses:
Came with a big dent in the toptube that Ellsworth claimed didn't happen at the factory. I call bull. The rear dropout was not designed correctly and won't work with a 34 tooth cassette. Speedgoat makes a custom replacement dropout hanger that you have to buy separately if you want your rear derailleur to work correctly.
Similar Products Used:
None
Bike Setup:
Full XTR with Rock Shox Psylo SL
Bottom Line:
Very plush ride and I loved the adjustability of the Romic rear shock. I had heard a lot of horror stories about faulty welds and Ellsworth not standing behind their products. When my frame arrived with a dent in it I suppose the last laugh was on me. They were a pain in the rear to deal with and the review I had read seemed to be true. Not many people will admit that they spent $3000 on a lousy bike but I am man enough to declare my ignorance. Furthermore the bike climbed like absolute garbage. The other thing that really ticket me off was the fact that you could not dial the rear derailleur in unless you bought an aftermarket dropout, which is slightly longer in length. The one saving grace is that the bike rides very smoothly on the downs.
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Submitted by
Tim Baughman
a Weekend Warrior
from Ross, CA Date Reviewed: May 28, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Pine Mountain
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1995.00
Purchased At:
Frame at Mike's Bikes, built at Gravy Wheels
Strengths:
Gorgeous welds, pivots, rocker, anodizing etc.--rock solid yet light construction. Soaks up and clears the bolders on Pine Mtn. and upper Eldridge going up and down--climbs great on the rough stuff. Gets up to speed in a hurry, very quick handling, but stable on fast descents. Rear is very stiff. All the parts working great--Marta's took a couple of rides to reach full power.
Weaknesses:
Only weaknesses are also strenghts--my bottom bracket measures out at just under 15" (14.5" with the fork at 100mm), which makes getting back on the bike on a real steep climb (like Rocky Ridge) a challenge, but is great on the rocky descents. The head angle is a little steep going down technical stuff, but again is welcome everywhere else
19" gold Id, Romic w/ 500lb. ti spring, TALAS RLC (I use the travel adjustment a lot--it works!), X.0 der. and shifters, '03 XTR cranks, Marta SL, blue King disc hubs and headset, Monkeylight low rise, Conti Vertical Pro UST 2.3, Mavic X3.1 UST rims, Thomson stem and post, WTB Laser V DH saddle, ODI Rogue grips.
Bottom Line:
This bike is very smooth and very fast. It wants to be ridden hard, over a wide variety of terrain. It is really the ultimate aggressive XC bike, with an emphasis on rougher, twistier trails and fire roads. The much discussed high BB is generally a plus, and since I'm using a lot of the 5.75" of travel it tends to be much lower than the unweighted measurement. Pedal power goes straight to the rear wheel, and I can keep the power on going over pretty big obstacles.
The Id was my first choice, but at list ($2,295) pretty pricey. I ordered a frame from another manufacturer (at Gravy Wheels) that was $400 less. After numerous delivery date pushbacks, none of which were communicated by the manufacturer, I went to Bryan at Mike's Bikes, and he helped me get the Id frame I really wanted at a reasonable price, and in just a week. I stuck with the incomparable Gravy to build it up (not his fault the unnamed company wasn't communicating), and now I'm very happily riding. Cudos to Gravy, Mo, and Julia at Gravy Wheels and to Bryan at Mike's for their patience and support.
Five flamers for the very fun, very beautiful Id.
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Submitted by
Kent Merritt
a Cross Country Rider
from Sunnyvale, CA, USA Date Reviewed: May 21, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Eucaliptus Loop, Enchanted Loop - Wilder Ranch, Santa Cruz, CA
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1900.00
Purchased At:
LBS - Floor Model Frame only
Strengths:
Does aggressive trail riding, hills, mud, logs, roots, with ease. Very well made and strong with nice anodized black finish. Very nice all around trail bike.
Weaknesses:
Well I did have to modify the Hayes international disk brake adapter - shaved some metal off of one end face to fit bike mount.
Similar Products Used:
Ellsworth Truth, GT I Drive, Trek and Specialized hardtails
Bike Setup:
Medium 17" black ID frame, Romic coilover with 600lb spring - for less agressive riding I would use a 500lb spring, me weighing 190lb. Fox Forx Vanilla RLC 125 at 5" with heavy spring. Chris King ISO disk hubs with DT 14/15 spokes and Mavic disk rims - all black. Hayes Mag 6" disk brakes. 2002 Shimano XTR Rapidfire shifters, 2003 XTR drivetrain, XT 11-34T cassette. Easton EC70 setback seat post and MonkeyLite Scandium 2.5" riser bar, Thomson 130mm stem ODI Rogue lock grips. Continental Vertical/Survivor Protection tires. Koobi AU Enduro saddle. White Lightning chain lube seems to keep the chain good for longer.
Bottom Line:
Confucious says: this bicycle pretty much handle job of long ride over most interesting road.
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Submitted by
wempi ja
a Weekend Warrior
from jakarta, Indonesia Date Reviewed: May 20, 2003
Favorite Trail:
sumatra, java, bali
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$2300.00
Purchased At:
Sinar Bangka
Strengths:
frame quality, romic rear susp, handling, ... A for everything
Weaknesses:
none
Similar Products Used:
none
Bike Setup:
black frame with romic shock, odi ruffian grip, easton monkey bar, sram x.o, thomson seatpost and stem, manitou firely fork, DT Swiss hugi FR hub, intense mag 30 rims, tioga tire (2.3 fr, 2.1 rr), XTR front der, XTR casette, '03 XTR crank, selle italia prolink gelflow, hayes mag disc brake, easton pedal, ChrisKing head set
Bottom Line:
I have been riding bicycle from 1997. And i always try to find the best one. I rode Canondale, Giant, Bianchi, and Intanse Uzzi SLX. Now, i have the beatifull Ventana El Saltamontes and the ultimate '03 Ellsworth Id.
These two bikes is the best i ever have. But they are two different kind of monsters. I ride El Salt for trailbike because it is light (equip with '03 XTR drivetrain and all the lightes parts in the world) and best in the corner. I ride the Id for light freeriding. For that kind of style (believe me), that frame is the best. It is lighter than Uzzi Slx (sure), more agresive. more versatile, ... more fun
The bottom line is; El Salt is gold, and Id is diamond. Buy both of them. But if you can only have one ... take the Id.
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Submitted by
Alistair Abdai
a Cross Country Rider
from Calgary, Alberta, Canada Date Reviewed: May 11, 2003
Favorite Trail:
snakes and ladders
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$2300.00
Purchased At:
Calgary Cycle
Strengths:
Climbs great (no noticable bob) Soaks up everything that the trails throw at ya, super-light. Romic is great! Attention to detail
Weaknesses:
price
Similar Products Used:
None
Bike Setup:
King dicotech hubs with 317's, XTR shifters and rear drivetrain, XT cranks, Monkeylite bars, Easton stem and post, Magura Marta SL's etc...etc..
Bottom Line:
This bike is the best ride I've ever had! It climbs better than my Santa Cruz superlight, but soaks up the bumps sooooo much better! I just inspires confidence and was worth every penny. What's this crap about the bottom bracket being to high? Everything is perfect! If you have the money, and love to just ride everything (XC, alittle bit of DH, a few drops here and there) buy this bike. Bottom Line: I never want to ride another bike ever again! SWEEEEET!
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Submitted by
hora (Mark) Horacek
a Weekend Warrior
from London, UK Date Reviewed: May 9, 2003
Favorite Trail:
aching, twisting sweet singletrack
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
Attention to detail, rear swing arm, beefy chain stays. Looks like it will be a confident off roader
Weaknesses:
I've heard stories of the rear triangle developing a large crack but hopefully this has been ironed out with the new and improved square-beefed up chain stays etc of the 2003 model.
Weight? I think its more of a XC for heavy people than a freeride.
Value for money? Welded pipes and a shock still shouldn't come to £1800 for a frame. The bike industry needs to become more efficient rather than the Customer paying through the nose...
Similar Products Used:
RM9, Instinct, Vertex, Giant, Yeti etc etc
Bike Setup:
Chris King all over, Hope M4, Vanilla 125, Raceface everywhere else
Bottom Line:
The Ellsworth Truth for fat f**ks like me.
I think that this is a freeride bike for people circa 140lb's or a XC bike for 210lb's like me.
I'm taking it off road for the first time tomorrow.....
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Submitted by
Andrew L
a Weekend Warrior
from Chitown Date Reviewed: April 11, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Bareback
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$3000.00
Purchased At:
Richardsbikes.com
Strengths:
I don't even know how to start. This bike has so many strengths its unreal. The welds look like Art. The Suspension in the bike is unreal (NO BOBING)must go with the Romic. Inspires major confidence in you and alows you to do things you only wanted to do on your old bike. Customer support is amazing. Kathy thanks for all your help you are terrific. The bike is just eveythring to me, I LOVE IT.
Weaknesses:
Please
Similar Products Used:
Titus, Turner, a bunch
Bike Setup:
Psylo, Easton bars and stem, XT, ODI Grips, DAVE'S Custom wheels from SPEEDDREAM.COM. King hubs, Hayes, Panaracer 2.3DH. (Quick note, I had the custom wheels by Dave and they are by far the best dam investment in this bike by far. They make all the differnce, look him up on MTBR. He has the highest rateing for wheelsets by FAR. Thanks Dave you really did a fantastic job.
Bottom Line:
The bottom line is this bike is by far the best thing that I have ever owned in my entire life. I have left it in my living room just so I can stare at it every time I come it. But in all seriousness if you want a bike that can do everything and do it well this is the bike. Yes its expensive but buy it at www.richardsbicycles.com they have buy far the best prices in the country. I look all over the place for a good deal on a fully built ID and I found it. I have been so impressed with them. They will beat any price I have thrown at them. I would Ask for mike he handles the Ellsworth bikes. This bike rocks handles drops and flys. What else can I say with out sounding like a lunitic. Just get the bike.
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Hendrik Huebscher
a Cross Country Rider
from Rancho St. Margarita, CA USA Date Reviewed: March 17, 2003
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$5000.00
Purchased At:
The Bike Company
Strengths:
Welding, Finish, Geometry
Weaknesses:
Seat Stay Frame Price
Similar Products Used:
None, used to ride Specialiced Stumpjumper FSR
Bike Setup:
Psylo SL Tulio, Romic rear, Next LP, Hayes, King hubs and head, Mavic 519, XTR rear, XT front, RaceFace XY post, Easton Monkey Riser, Thompson stem, XT shifters, Selle Italia Flite Ti Gel, Shimano 545, WTB Mutanoraptor (2.24 DNA rear, 2.4 Race front)
Bottom Line:
Somebody called this bike the "Swiss Army Knife" of mountain bikes. I couldn't agree more!!! This bike does everything well if not even great. Climbing is very good, down hill is better and trail riding a blast. I am pushing 230 lbs and this frame takes everything w/o fail (except the seat stay). The Romic shock is unbeatable. Don't even think of going for the Fox. The few bucks more for the Romic are way worth it.
Two things that should be mentioned.
a) oval tube seat stay on '02 models and before. There have been reports in a few magazines that the seat stay breaks right over the weld of the drop out (sure does). At the same time (funny) Ellsworth introduced an upgrade (I think it was US$ 230 when you send your old seat stay in). They ex-changed mine with out "a lot" of hassle but wanted to give me only the '02 model. In the end I did get the '03 model seat stay (what a difference in stiffness and flex!!!!) but I am still wondering about the coincidence of the failure reports and the upgrade offer.
b) Rockshox Psylo SL: This has got to be the "choice of your own bad word here" fork ever build. Adjustability is great - but you really do not need it on this bike. Damping and plushness out right sucks. Fork makes "clunking" noise when locked out and customer service at Rockshox is worse then the performance of the fork. I had to send it in after 3 month and even though you could hear parts rattling around inside I was given the usual "we can't find anything wrong" routine and it took 3 weeks to get it back. Funny thing was that the rattling was gone when I got it back. My advise,go with a Fox Float or Mazzi Z1
If you are or are border line Clydesdale and want to ride XC and trails that are a little rougher I do not think you can find a better frame.
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Majed Jafari
a
from Washington DC area Date Reviewed: March 17, 2003
Favorite Trail:
the one I am on
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$4000.00
Purchased At:
BeyondBikes
Strengths:
This bike rides amazingly! Like a xc bike but tons of travel and able to take the bigger hits which equals lots more fun. Very light set-up at under 28lbs.
Weaknesses:
High bottom bracket makes for tight stand-over clearance. This is made worse b/c I am only 5'-8". Rear wheel clearance could be better. Neither aspect hinders the ride one bit and in fact you don't notice it on the bike. A bit pricey but once you ride you see why.
Similar Products Used:
Trek Liquid, Rocky Slayer
Bike Setup:
XT-XTR, King hubs and headset, Thompson post and stem, Hayes brakes, Answer pro-taper bars, ODI grips, Fire XC tires, Fox Talas 125RLC.
Bottom Line:
I can't believe how great this bike rides. It is like butter. I am an aggressive rider but our trails are mostly tight single track and smallish hills--this bike fits the bill perfectly so far. Great match with the new Talas fork--very adjustable. Romic shock is genius. You must buy one.
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Jimm
a Cross Country Rider
from SoCal Date Reviewed: March 14, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Bartlett Wash
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$2300.00
Purchased At:
123BIKES.com
Strengths:
The overall RIDE!!!; low weight (especially for almost 6" of travel); customer service; quality workmanship; descending AND ascending abilities. Designed by riders, for riders.
Weaknesses:
Price; cable routing
Similar Products Used:
Trek Antelope (yep...even had bio-pace rings); GT-RTS; Klein Mantra; GT-1000XCR/LE
This bike is FUN! Great climber...outstanding descender. Frame is solid, ride is "plush". It does most everything well. Stable ride inspires confidence. Bike handles studder bumbs as well as drops. Prior to getting the ID, I avoided virtually ALL drops/jumps; often times rolling um or....ahhh -- dismounting and walking :-(. I now ride/clear MOST drops/jumps....I'm looking forward to the day my abilities come close to matching those of the ID. Ellsworth customer service is impressive....prompt to respond to questions/concerns; they actually called to welcome me to the Ellsworth family (we talked about MY satisfaction, MY rides, MY interests).
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BRAD
a Racer
from ALBERTA Date Reviewed: March 4, 2003
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
lbs
Strengths:
This is a "mountain bike". Solid performer, no gimics, you can ride faster, farther and crazier than any xc bike will allow. It could climb a wall if my legs were big enough. I can't say enough about customer support.
Weaknesses:
Those who ride Ellsworth know that the weight is NOT an issue, the PRICE is the least of our concerns and any WEAKNESS with building up this frame cannot be placed on the designers shoulders since any limitations, flaws or gripes are due to the riders' misunderstanding of the ID's potential AND PURPOSE. In my opinion (yes, that is all a review on MTBR is- a personal opinion) this is not a DH or a XC bike. I call this my 'mountain bike'.
Similar Products Used:
This is my 3rd Ellsworth. I have two truths, one bushing model and one bearing model. Any other frame/ bike does not compare. I've tested and owned bikes from several companies.
Bike Setup:
King ISO discs and headset Hope minis, my frame is the '03 version with the disc specific seatstay and its stronger than the ones that broke on other ID's XO shifting The usual Raceface, Thompson and easton components FOX Talas RLC I'm running 2.3's and sometimes 2.5's No I have not weighed it and I probably won't Romic shock on the back
Bottom Line:
I needed a bike that was beefier than my TRUTH. I needed a bike that would allow me to take steeper and more technical terrain faster than with a shorter travel setup. A real mountain bike is what the ID is. I also like to climb and these frames are the best for that. Have you noticed that there are no lock outs? Who needs to fiddle and waste time with a poor climber when you can focus on the trail in front of you. Did you know that you can be in big ring and hammer like mad and the shock won't move until you hit something? This bike is still very new to me and the riding has been limited to a few local trails and jumping off picnic tables for fun. I'm basing my opinions mostly on the TRUTH frameset but taking the extreme and plushness factor up a notch or two for the ID. So far the ID will be my ride of choice and the truth will be for raceday. I can't tell you the joy in owning more than one bike especially when they all have Ellsworth on the downtube.
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Submitted by
wshah
a Weekend Warrior
from Penang, Malaysia Date Reviewed: February 25, 2003
Favorite Trail:
any thing singletrack
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$4000.00
Purchased At:
Cyclon Cycle Ind. Penan
Strengths:
welding quality, shot-peening, CNC parts, stable when descending, climb like mountain goat
Weaknesses:
It should have color choices. I prefer disc specific seatstay but unavailable at time of delivery.
Similar Products Used:
'01 Santa Cruz Superlight
Bike Setup:
Medium size, '02 XTR shifters, '02 XTR FD, '02 XTR RD, '02 XTR crankset, Dura Ace chains, Easton Monkey Lite Hi-rise handlebars, Hope Mini disc brakeset, Chris King headset, Chris King ISO hubset, Sun Rhyno Lite rims, Wheelsmith spoke, Tioga Factory XC tyres, Thomson stem, Thomson post, Selle San Marco Era saddle, Marzocchi Z1 Freeride, Egg Beater pedals.
Bottom Line:
This bike is a beast. It climb like XC but it plush, stable and rollover anything. I've been using SC Superlight for over a year and decided to go for FR/XC kindda bike. My LBS recommended me the Id. I waited for a month for the delivery. The 1st ride on the bike, I feel that it's much heavier (obviously!) than my Superlight BUT the descending is superb! Very stable! Just runs over anything and my DH speed increased tremendously. After the suspension break-in (both Romic and Z1) the bike much plusher and I get some tips from MBA magazine on how to setup Id rear shock. The bike handle better after that. The bike can climb steep hills just like climbing a small hump. It just smooth!
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Derek
a
from Miramar, FL Date Reviewed: February 20, 2003
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Purchased At:
Beyond Bikes
Strengths:
See my other two reviews
Weaknesses:
See my other two reviews
Similar Products Used:
Ventana Marble Peak, Intense Tracer
Bike Setup:
See other reviews
Bottom Line:
Just wanted to give another update (seems that I am a bit obsessed with this bike!) and let everybody know that everything has been perfect and the ID has become more then I ever expected. It took about a month to get the Romic rear and Fox front completely dialed - but WOW! I thought the way it was originally set-up was great (and it was), but after the little tweaks it takes to get it set up just right - the ID climbs like monster, up and over anything. Going down it just floats and on any larger hits it simply soaks em up with style. I have not been back on my Tracer since the day I got the ID. The new XTR rocks - I can't believe people say it is hard to get used to. Within 5 minutes it just makes perfect sense. Real smooth, no mis-shifts and I have never had a problem climbing or descending and accidentally "knocking" it out of gear - it is a solid system.
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Derek
a Cross Country Rider
from Miramar, Fl Date Reviewed: February 6, 2003
Favorite Trail:
alligator alley
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$4000.00
Purchased At:
Beyond Bikes
Strengths:
See above review
Weaknesses:
See above review
Similar Products Used:
See above review
Bike Setup:
See above review
Bottom Line:
I have been on about a dozen rides and I have yet to find anything that I dislike about the ID. There has been some concern about the BB height, honestly I have not even noticed the difference - the bike is stable at slow and fast rates, goes through tight areas (switchbacks) just as better then my Tracer or Marble Peak. Climbing is much better then the Tracer or Marble Peak (and the ID has twice as much suspension). If you want a cross country racer - this is not your bike. If you want a freeride specific ride - this is not your bike. But, if you are looking for a great all around "trailbike" that will climb better then any 6" travel bike (and better then any Horst Link design) give the ID a try - sure seems to be the perfect all arounder. Gotta go - I'm ditching work to ride!
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Derek
a Cross Country Rider
from Miramar, FL, United States Date Reviewed: January 28, 2003
Favorite Trail:
Alligator Alley
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$4000.00
Purchased At:
beyondbikes
Strengths:
Mfg. quality, climbing, solid feel, descending, the "WOW" factor when I walk in the garage.
Weaknesses:
If you don't run disc brakes, several mods need to be done.
King wheels, headset, Race Face NEXT LP, Dues stem, 03' XTR V-Brake shifter/brake combo, Shimano 959, Fox 125RLC, carbon answer bar, Syncros seat post.
Bottom Line:
I found the perfect bike (for me). I was looking for something with about 6 inches of (non-air) suspension that would still climb relatively well and just be durable. I spoke with Andrew at Ellsworth and Jarret at Beyond Bikes and they both said that the ID is the perfect "trailbike" that floats over everything, descends/drops with confidence and climbs better then any of my previous bikes (see above). I was ordered a (Large) from Beyond Bikes - it is the absolute perfect size (I am 6'1) Beyond Bikes also dials in the Romic shock based on your weight, riding environment and skill (so be honest). I received the frame and couldn't wait to set everything up. Beyond Bikes had already put on the headset, stem, fork, bottom bracket and cranks. My first problem was because I was running V-Brakes and the seat stay did not have posts for the V-Brakes. A simple call to Ellsworth and Beyond Bikes and the very next day I had a new seat stay with posts (I just sent my other one back) at no charge - problem solved. The second issue was when I was running my cables. Along the top tube there are (3) cable guides - I was having trouble with the middle guides not holding my cable ends. Basically, when I would pull the cable, the cable ends would slip throught the guide. I contacted Andrew at Ellsworth and he told me that the middle guide is designed for a hydralic line (slightly larger) and to simply run my standard housing all the way along the top tube (don't cut the cable housing) and it will stay within the guides perfectly. I did this and it is perfect. Running the rear derailer cable took quite a while (it passes through the seat stay - sort of like the internal routing of the Kleins) - I ended up running a cable through backwards and then attaching it to the derailer cable and simply pulling it through the correct way. My first ride was incredible (I was still scared that the bike would not climb as well as my Tracer). It was the first time that on a first ride everything worked! It shifted perfectly, nothing loosened up or fell off, brakes worked - it was a surprise at how well it all worked - usually I have to tweak things for several weeks. I was missing alot, and didn't know it! On the ID you float over everything. Yes, I still focus on picking the right lines, but you don't have to - just ride over all the junk! Climbing - all I can say is that it climbs better then my Tracer in all aspects. Short, long, rocky, steep - it just hooks up better and climbs better, easier and faster. Descending - well, living in Florida we don't get any real good downhills, but on the sections that have drops or small tech downhills, the Id flies. On the Tracer I would be on the brakes, picking and choosing my way - on the Id, just let her fly! A big "Thank You" to Jarret at Beyond Bikes! Anybody looking for an Ellsworth (or any other high-quality bike) will do themselves a favor by calling Jarret!
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