Love these. Compared to Shimanos, these feel more solid and tight. Not so clunky, not that Shimanos were that bad. These shift better on 8 spd cassette than Shimanos with the extra space for 8, something I was very concerned about when bidding on these. I also have Campy top mounts as an investment/backup. I have never set up the Campy but in feel the Suntour have similar feel/quality although the innards of Campy are definitely superior materials. Both have pronounced indexing but the design edge goes to Suntour with its friction option and lack of break in that the stiff Campy will obviously require. The best Shifter ever made!
Strengths: They work 100% of the time, every time without fail!
Weaknesses: No longer made. Fell out of favor for the "Ease" of index shifting...
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With well over 25,000 miles on different bikes, these shifters have been the constant. Friction shifters shall ALWAYS be superior in every way to indexing. Bend this, break that, at little chain or cable stretch? No problem with friction. They have infinite adjustment. The bottom line: If you know how to shift (or want to learn) go with friction. As I have always said, "You don't see frets on a Stradivarius!"
Bike Setup: schwin homegrotn girven crosslink fork raceface cranks xtr derailers mavic wheels control teck stem bontrager seatpost titec handlebars onza peadles paul brakes and levers no bar ends! actoin tech bb
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Marco
a Cross Country Rider
from Half Moon Bay, CA, USA
Date Reviewed: September 16, 2006
Strengths: Smooth, consistant shifting. Option to use friction shifting.
Weaknesses: Haven't been sold for over a decade.
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BEST SHIFTERS EVER MADE!!!! Front deraillier shifts perfectly every time.
Rear derailler is a different story. These shifters are spaced for SunTour cassette (top cogs are wider spaced and bottom cogs are more narrow spaced). Shimano cassettes have even spacing.
SUNTOUR SHIFTERS WILL NEVER SHIFT PERFECTLY WITH SHIMANO CASSETTE. That being said, they do shift alright. You can set them up so the top (or lower ratio) gears shift well, but the 8th cog doesn't always hit. Or run a 7-speed cassette; first 6 cogs will shift fine but you may need the extra click (i.e. 8th) to get into the 7th cog.
Unfortunately, I will resort to a pair of Shimano 8-speed bar end shifters transplanted into the suntour body housing (should work like Paul's Thumbies).
Similar Products Used: Shimano Deore XT top-mount shifters.
Bike Setup: Shimano 8-speed cassette, XTR rear deraillier.
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Coggsworth Coggs
a Weekend Warrior
from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Date Reviewed: September 7, 2005
Strengths: light, easy to set up, adaptable, soon will be "working antiques"
Weaknesses: none whatsoever
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My set of XC Pro Thumbies is now eleven years old. I run the right side shifter on a modified cassette on my Trials bike, its the easiest way to run an indexed 4 speed transmission. The bikes these shifters have been on are as follows: 1996-1998 - BRC Banzai (rigid forks) the XC-pros were a prize in a race 1998-2001 - upgraded to a Brodie something or other 2001-2002 - went FS - AMP B-4 then B-5 (sorta was sponsored) 2002 - 2003 - went super FS - Kona Stinky - broke collarbone, 3 ribs, decided I was no huckster 2003 - Present Echo Urban Stock Trials bike (I also run a cannondale hardtail) I only wish I could find a 8 speed set to put on my cannondale. I expect these to outlast a bunch more bikes in years to come. I wish all bike parts were like this.
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Big Daddy Blue
a Cross Country Rider
from Somewhere
Date Reviewed: June 27, 2003
Strengths: Nicer than XT thumbies, more positive, more bulletproof, everyone makes fun of you for riding Suntour, youngsters don't even know what they are.
Weaknesses: What did you say? Where do you get them? Will you sell me yours?
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Been riding these bad boys for 10 years. Bought them in Boulder Colorado at the Velo News swap meet off some buffoon what thought RF+ was the best. S'okay though, cause I only give 'im 5 smackers for them. Betcha can't find any RF+ or GS fer 5 bucks and ride them constantly for more than 10 years. Still feel like they did when brand new. Betcher 10 year old RF+ and especially yer GS don't feel like they did when new. Here's a little secret I'll let ya in on - git the 8 speed version if ya can and run em with yer 8 speed XTR cassette and whatever derailleur you choose. You'll never be tempted with 9 speed foolishness agin, I guarantee!!!
Similar Products Used: XT thumbies Gripshift(yeah, right - gimme something that WORKS!) RF+
Bike Setup: Who cares? Been a off-roader, a one-speed, a Urban Assault Vehicle, a college commuter, and a tourer.
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Peter Obleg
a Cross Country Rider
from Warsaw Poland
Date Reviewed: February 14, 2003
Strengths: Simple, durable, precise shifting, as light as a feather, look great :] Perfect for those who need low-weight quality shifters. I have owned them for over 1 year and their performance is flawless
Weaknesses: None
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I love those shifters. Light, precise, durable and simple. In conjunction with XTR derailleurs they form an ultimate shifting weapon ;)
Similar Products Used: Old shimano deore and XT (topmounts), various rapid fire, sti and gripshift
Bike Setup: Scott G-Zero Pro, Xtr derailleurs, suntour xc pro shifters, profile design, roox etc
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Rodger Dodger
a Racer
from Noo Yawk Siddy!
Date Reviewed: November 25, 2002
Strengths: Lightweight and simple.
Weaknesses: They were kinda' expensive for what they were, looking back on it, but who cares...........they don't make them anymore anyway.
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Some stuff was better back in the day, others weren't. For the front derailleur, it didn't get any better than this thing, for the back, I like indexing shifters much, much better. Actually, I think I'm going to start combing eBay and yard sales to pick up another set for my freerider. Heck, the front derailleur only gets shifted back and forth maybe twice all ride, it would be a nice weight savings.
Bike Setup: 1990 'Competition Series' Cannondale 3.0 Aluminum hardtail with 'Pepperoni' rigid fork. Black with neon green speckled paint, full Suntour XC gruppo, lots of Ritchey (remember Tom and his handmade frames?), Sun Rims, Avocet saddle............basically an entirely old school rig.........and YES, I bought it new, and NO it wasn't my first serious mountain bike either!
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Mr. Underhill a.k.a. Bobo
a Cross Country Rider
from Bartertown
Date Reviewed: August 13, 2002
Strengths: Simply everything. Durability (approaching a decade), Strength, Precision engineering, Weight (if you're into that sorta thing). They still look and feel new.
Weaknesses: Surely you jest?
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The world has changed. It started with the rise of great forces. In the beginning, there were Suntour and Shimano. The armies garthered in the land and the battle ensued. The downfall came with the forging of the One Shifter: The Rapid Fire System. The hearts of men were easily corrupted and much that once was is lost. For most who now live, no longer remember.
Purchased At: A race-shop in Leognan, just south of Bordeaux, France
Similar Products Used: xt-topmounts
Bike Setup: Ti-hardtail, mix xt-Hugi-Magura
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Submitted by
jojo
a Cross Country Rider
from san diego, ca
Date Reviewed: February 25, 2002
Strengths: light, simple, durable, easy to operate
Weaknesses: mine are only 7 speed compatible, they don't make them anymore, shifting the front derailleur into high gear is a bit of a thumbstretcher.
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Folks, I own two sets of these gems. I've owned them over ten years. Until recently, they had been sidelined in a box. I recently set up a bike with them and couldn't be happier with their performance. They work flawlessly and are so wonderfully simple compared to all the new stuff out there. Not the best choice for high-intensity racing, but for fun rides these are great. I love riding my retro bike set up with these shifters and my old dia-compe ss-5 levers. It may not actually make me ten years younger, but somehow I feel like I've gone back there for at least a little while. It's hard to find them now, but there will always be some chump who thinks they're outdated junk and will be willing to part with them at garage sale prices. Happy hunting!
Bike Setup: KONA MAX(Full MAX) frame, suntour shifers & der., custom wheels, SX-Ti fork, Manitou stem
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jonathan
from somerville, ma
Date Reviewed: December 29, 2001
Strengths: It's all been said before... But, they ARE indestructible, super light, and more durable than any other shifter ever made. XT top mounts don't even compare!
Weaknesses: That would be that they're not made anymore. (can also be a strength if you're lucky enough to have them; they're rare and half the new riders have never seen 'em before)
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I never ever want to have to deal with front chainring indexing. If you ride technical trail, your ring are not always going to be true. I love these, I'm just bummed that I stupidly stripped the threads on my main pair, had to cannibalize the older ones till I can put a helicoil in :) Even the really old ones work great! Pair these with a smooth rear mech and 8 speeds and you'll be very happy. Never any hesitation or missed shifts. No need for sill Optical Gear Displays!
Purchased At: A shop that's been closed for 4 years!
Similar Products Used: gripshift, rapidfire, rapidfire plus, shimano top mounts
Bike Setup: S-Works har tail, many random parts, but the shifters are certainly the most precious.
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Andrew
a Cross Country Rider
from Boulder, Colorado
Date Reviewed: August 2, 2001
Strengths: Bombproof - indestructable
Weaknesses: none! are you kidding?
Bottom Line:
Please please please somebody start making these again! I got 'lucky' and found a pair of these brand new, but probably overpaid for them -- actually no - it was really worth it. Too bad there are riders out there that will never experience anything but indexed shifting. I swear there is nothing better than a very high quality friction shifter -- accurate shifts - easy adjustment (if it ever needs it), 7, 8 and 9 speed compatable (no buying new shifers every time you upgrade) - these things just rule.