One of the most exciting new functions of the redesigned XTR off-road racing group is seen in the new Dual Control Lever. This lever represents the first of a new generation of shifting systems. It lets you shift gears up or down, from various hand positions, allowing the rider to focus on the trail.
I must have been one of the youngest to ever use this at the mere age of 14! Got a stonking bargain on the bike and used all the money I had in the world and pleaded to get the bike.. which I used, and achieved a lot on. The XTR dual shifters were my first shifters on a "real" bike, and Im sticking with them.
Bike Setup: Scott RC team issue, Full xtr, Cmax Sl's, Ritchey WCS throughout, Egg beater triple Ti, Slr saddle.
a Cross Country Rider
from Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Date Reviewed: April 6, 2006
Strengths: Ultra high performance, ease for shifting, completely intuitive, very very durable, maintenance free, light, beautiful, flawless.
Weaknesses: Pricy if bought retail.
I waited quite a long time to write this review because one aspect I was really unsure about was their durability.
The shifting is wonderfull. I am not going to lie that it takes a few rides to get used to them before getting the full advantage of their potential. When I mean getting used to is only to move the lever, not to the rapid rise derailleur that is extremely intuitive and you'll use with no problem as soon as you jump on the bike. After a few kms using these they are a breeze. Shifting comes effortlesly. Shifting while braking is easier than ever. Even when fast shifting is requiered, it is not a problem. Basically they are fast, accurate and effortless.
Going back to durability. When I first saw the dual controls I thought: One good smack on these things and they'll rip apart. I was totally wrong. I've had several crashes and they only get scratched. Rapidfires used to get broken optical gear displays, bent levers and broken parts. I guess that these are so resistant first because they are tough, but mostly because the lever can move in three directions and the body in one. So basically they move out of impact.
They work very well specially in long epic rides and energy demanding races because of how good they work and how effortless shifting and braking is.
The rapidrise is the logic way a derailleur should be and makes you wonder what was the first derailleur manufacturer thinking. The spring puts the chain over cogs while the only thing you have to spend energy in is in putting it down. However, the main advantage is that when you do downshifts is because you need a stronger gear, so you are putting a lot of strength on the pedals. In a normal derailleur, you'll hear your chain jump and struggle if you change while this load is applied, in a rapid rise this does not happen because the spring provides a precise linear force to change the gear substituting the tired and unaccurate hand.
If you have the money to pay for this get them. Even the lx work like a dream. The xtr and xt have now a newer more ergonomic whith less front shifter lever travel version(apparently weak handed people couldn't shift before, this new versions solve that). However, be open minded and give yourself a couple of weeks before you start critizising them. Shifting just came to a new level of performance and comfort with these.
Similar Products Used: Sram x9, xo, shimano xtr, xt, lx rapidfires, shimano xt and lx dual control levers.
Bike Setup: Zenith Saga Team Easton Scandium frame. All 960 xtr with 965 wheelset. Easton ec70 post, ea70 stem and ec70 bar. shimano 959 pedals,
a Cross Country Rider
from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Date Reviewed: July 8, 2005
Strengths: smooth, crisp shifts every time. light weight. less handlebar "clutter". light brake action, easy changes, one/two fingers for any actions needed.
Weaknesses: can only downshift 3 gears at a time. for my level of riding this is not a real weakness. lever travel for FD shifts is long.
i KNOW this is a 2003 XTR review b-u-t...there is no review for the 2004 product. i upgraded to dual control 965 shifters, calipers & center-lock rotors for $311. i was worried about damage to my expensive upgrade in crashes. bar-ends may assist. i also have the clamps tightened just enough to hold the units in place ie. if i lift the bike by a unit it will rotate. i think the multidirectional movement inherent in the lever may also offer some resistance to breakage. i have had several crashes, including an endo over a large woodstack where the bike somersaulted...no problems with either unit. with the rapid rise RD and the very slick FD, i am so far extremely satisfied with its performance. it was very easy to set up from the box and get the FD & RD working perfectly. the indexing is spot-on. the cables are very slick and have thus far stayed free of gunge. even the thumb lever, although unnecessary, works nicely.
Similar Products Used: shimano alivio, shimano LX, but neither were dual control
Bike Setup: mongoose pro, zero-G3. full xtr, rockshox psylo SL front, SID SL rear.
a Cross Country Rider
from denver, co
Date Reviewed: February 24, 2005
Strengths: Light, ergonomic, single finger use
Weaknesses: Durability is a big question. The lever distance adjustment screw requires a 2mm Allen wrench making it easy to strip. Once it's stripped, it's impossible to adjust. Plastic covering has a tendancy to break, scratch, come off during endos. Therefore, probably not the best for free-riding.
Yes, these babies are a little fragile and are a bit pricey, but I won't be going back to triggers. I really like having the shifting and braking in one place and only having to use one finger for all of it. This makes shifting and braking much more comfortable, and as far as I'm concerned, more efficient. I rarely have a problem with inadvertent braking during shifting. I'll bet 5 years from now this dual lever technology will be standard for XC.
from Dallas, Tx, USA
Date Reviewed: December 12, 2004
Strengths: Good marketing project for some exec at Shimano? Way to get that promotion Bob!
Weaknesses: Improved on nothing (fixed no flaw in the previous design). Slower shifting. Awkward shifting when out of the normal in saddle riding position. Cost is way too high especially considering the low performance. Weigh more than every other high end alternative. Inferior to every other medium and high end shifter. Generally lowered the Shimano quality bar. Steep learning curve especially for beginers.
I am a semi-pro racer. I am not a weekend warrior at all. I ride mostly to train for racing. When riding offroad I ride a variety of conditions but mostly rocky/sandy techinical stuff.
First the good news, XTR dual control is better than exactly one shifter I have tried and that is the XT dual control shifter. They rank about even with the Shimano Deore shifters. That is not a typo. I did not forget the "XT" or "XTR" after the "Deore", the shifters are right at "Deore" level in terms of PERFORMANCE only. Now if you consider the coolness factor then that is different.
The learning curve for dual-control is very steep. I adjusted to them in two rides. I let a relative beginer ride my hardtail with these and they never got it right and basically ended up walking every technical section. : "They don't make sense"
Yes, rapid rise does work as do the dual control levers. In fact rapid rise probably works better with the dual control levers than with the old trigger shifters.
They are strictly designed to cut competitors out of the market. Nothing more. They resolve no issues with the previous designs and introduce several problems in functionality, weight and compatability.
The shifting feels slow. Hitting the lever resulted in a delay. I had two mechanics that work at two differnt shops check the setup, both said it was perfect for XTR. Shifting was just slower than other non-rapid-rise-non-dual-control setups. Tried a friends bike with this same setup who abosolutely loves these things and his felt worse (he had a bit more cable housing than I run). At any rate, switching to X.9 triggers with X.0 rear deraileur on the same cable housing resulted in flawless shifting.
Another problem is that you have to release the bar MORE on dual-control levers than non-dual control. You would think it would be the opposite and maybe this is not the right description of the problem but you have fewer fingers wrapped around the bar when shifting with these than with triggers. Triggers are always one finger at a time. Even when you have to use the thumb you are usually going uphill so you are pulling against your fingers anyway. With the XTR units you have to release your grip to hit the lever (unless you use the add-on trigger thingy).
With SRAM and old XTR triggers I could count miss-shifts in "miss-shifts per ride" with Dual Control levers you count "miss-shifts per mile". It isn't always a feel or action problem either, frequently the units just can't respond the way they need to leaving you in limbo for about half a second. In time you can adapt so that you will shift just a bit earlier to minimize the significance but slow shifting is still slow shifting. I would rather have precise, fast, complete shifts when I hit the trigger or lever. The net net is that even if you have adapted to the shifters well you will frequently wind up facing a formidable technical section in the wrong gear and having to release your grip to hit the lever. Good luck on that.
I found absolutely no reasons to run these unless you are being paid to do so. They are slow, they are heavy, they flat out do NOT work as well as any other shifter . Even if you run XTR wheels with the center-lock disc (also solves no known issues but causes compatabilty problems and weighs more) you can do better with old XT hydraulic levers and SRAM X.9/X.0 setup.
Man, I really hate to trash a component like this but honestly these things are just too expensive not to be the cat's meow. They do look cool but if they didnt say Shimano XTR on them then everyone here would be dogging them. They just dont work that well.
Does anyone really like these things more than SRAM X.9 triggers for performance reasons? (of those who have actually used both)
Value is very low because the functionality just isnt "pro caliber" enough to warrant the price tag.
Overall is also very low because they are noticeably inferior to everything else on the market.
Also note that these are more expensive than everything else on the market in their price range.
Who should buy? Probably nobody but I guess if you trails are pretty smooth you arent out of the saddle much then you could argue the coolness factor exceeds the performance and functionality problems.
Who should not buy? If you ride technical terrain or you are a racer you should look for something else.
Similar Products Used: XTR Rapidfire, XT Rapidfire, Deore Rapidfire, SRAM X.0 Twist, Some really old Gripshift, SRAM X.9 Trigger Shifters
Bike Setup: Scalpel and a couple of different hartails. All setup as race bikes.
a Weekend Warrior
from hamilton,scotland, UK
Date Reviewed: June 27, 2004
Strengths: great gear/disc brake combo,it took me about a week to get used to them
Weaknesses: none so far
i prefare using the old xtr rear mech ie the non rapid rise as i like pushing the lever down to go to a small gear ie bigger cassette ring especially when you come tearing round a corner to be met by an abrupt climb (you can shift many gears in one go) i've had no accidental gear shift when braking. i like being able to use the same fingers to shift and brake,i think this is advantageous. btw i love xtr disc brakes!
Favorite Trail: glentress forest, peebles,scotland UK
Duration Product Used: 3 months
Similar Products Used: pre 03 xtr
Bike Setup: trek fuel
a Cross Country Rider
from Washington, DC, USA
Date Reviewed: May 26, 2004
Strengths: Nice concept, smoothest shifting system to smaller rear cogs.
Weaknesses: Front shifting is virtually impossible. Tough to click from small cog to large cog, defeating the purpose of rapid rise.
I was very excited to try Shimano's new integrated system. I've been a fan of rapid rise since it was introduced and liked the concept of not having to move my hands or fingers off the levers.
Unfortunately after trying them I was very disappointed. In the rear the system worked very well for shifting from larger cogs to smaller cogs, very smooth and after a couple of minutes I stopped accidently activating the brakes. Shifting to a larger cog, on the otherhand, was a chore. The recommended "split finger" positioning didn't work well for shifting multiple gears at a time and I found that I had to move 2 fingers under the lever to shift with any speed. Even still, it took too long to shift through the whole cog during rapid transitions, IMO defeating the purpose of rapid rise.
In front the system is absolute crap. You have to push the lever way too far to go from the small cog to middle that I stopped shifting - except when it decided that I should. Also, when I shifted the whole drivetrain regularly jammed up. I've never seen that happen before.
The only reason the system is getting a 1 is because I do like the concept, maybe with further R&D? Until then thank god for SRAM!
Similar Products Used: gripshift w/ XTR rapid rise, traditional rapid fire, thumbies, SS drivetrain
Bike Setup: Test bike: 2004 Cannondale Scalpel Team
from USA NC
Date Reviewed: April 6, 2004
Strengths: they look cool I dont know anyone else that has em
Weaknesses: i dont think they are very well made. already have covers falling off stuff is getting lose.. pay for the XTR not for quality (IMHO).
keep with the rapid fire let them work out the bugs in the dual control stuff. I wish I woulda waited untill I got mine, they might be good for a race bike but i wouldnt reccoemend them to a person that rides everyday. o well maybe I can get them warrantied. probally not those fawk shimano.
a Cross Country Rider
Date Reviewed: April 3, 2004
Strengths: ergonomics, maybe?
Weaknesses: You can only shift one gear at a time. Pretty lame.
I am amazed that not a single person in this review forum has mentioned the most crucial flaw with these shifters. Often on the trail, or in a race, you come around a turn and there is an unexpected steep ascent. In such an event it is absolutely necessary that you be able to go from your highest gear to your lowest gear as quickly as possible. With this new XTR design, you can only downshift one gear at time. That is a critical flaw in the design when compared to gripshift where one simple twist will cycle through the entire cassette. Even the old rapid fire designs could cycle through 3 to 4 gears with one push of the thumb lever. I don't know what shimano was thinking when they came up with such an impractical mechanism. My advice to shimano,leave Dura Ace shifters on the road bikes. With the necessity to rapidly cycle through a cassette on unpredictable terrain, these shifters have no place on a mountain bike.
Weaknesses: Non maintenance friendly: The tiny bolts holding the cover are not hold in place when unscrewed,so are easily lost(I remember older XTR pods had a ring holding the bolts with the cover when unscrewed) Left shifter pulls the cable end with a slotted hinge, which is very nice for easy replacement and housing/cable maintenance, but the barrel adjustment is not slotted(?) The right shifter has neither cable end nor barrel adjustment slots so you have to pass the full length cable through that tiny hole and through the whole housing. Can´t fit Gore ride on housings with the indicators! About durability? Time will tell...
Great shifters ! If you´re a Shimano fan and want something new regarding ergonomics at a xtr precision and performance level ,get them !I removed the "transition" lever before installing them. Who said you can´t brake and shift at the same time? Large leverage gives an effortless shifting action. They´re not so expensive! afterall, you´re getting a set of XTR shifters and XTR brake levers at once.Similar price to the "old" ones. I wouldn´t but I have to give "only" four chillis for the tricky cover fittings, the incompatibility with Gore housings of the indicators and the not-hold-in-place bolts.If they solve this they´ll be perfect!
Bike Setup: Hardtail mix: deore crankarms with upgraded xt rings. Xt derailleur,xtr960 rear der, gore cables and housings, xt casette, foam grips
a Weekend Warrior
from LA, CALI
Date Reviewed: December 11, 2003
Strengths: Unique design, love the shift reader on the wire. Short learning curve. On the fly shifting because of the effortless levers. Durable
Weaknesses: The thumb shifter could be little longer. You can accidentally shift gears because the lever is very sensative.
These came with my enduro pro and its the best shifters that I used. I got used to these in no time, in fact after the demo ride in the shop I got the hang of it. Although I had a problem reaching for the thumb shifters at first. I just had to position my hands inward to fix this problem. Love the shift reader on the wire because its out in front of you. The shifting is very effertless, only need to apply little preasure to shift gears. But you can accidently shift gears because the levers are so sensative.
As far as durability these are solid! Survived several major accidents where the shifters got pretty beaten up with only surface damage.
I would recommend these for any cross country riders, racers and for people who likes to shift a lot because of the effortless shifting.
Bike Setup: Specialized Enduro Pro w/ Time Z Pedals, Answer Protaper Carbon Handlebar and continential survival pro tire on rear.
a Cross Country Rider
Date Reviewed: November 11, 2003
Strengths: you get to a point with these shifters where you don't notice changing gears
Weaknesses: takes some getting used to.
i found these frustrating at first, but now i think they're the best thing since modrern plumbing. i was having trouble shifting to a lower gear, while breaking. the trick is to push up with your thumb on the underside of the break lever. even if the situation is dicy,and your breaking really hard, you'll find it easy to do.
Strengths: ergonomics three way articulation has saved these from any damage after a few falls
Weaknesses: have'nt found any
These shifters work extremely well. In terms of performance they are not really better than the M950 pods they replace and should'nt be as it's the same internals packaged differently.
However the ergonomic are astounding!! I can downshift from anywhere on the bar and with Rapid rise my pinky can perform this function without dislocation. The integration route with the brakes is a no brainer and as far asI'm concerned a perfect match. Having tried other brake systems the XTR 's can match those so why would I want somehing else. these shifters coupled tot he rapid rise deraileur or low normal as it is called now is perfection.
Great product Shimano. the shifter and cranks are the pick of the bunch.
Similar Products Used: SRAM Gripshift, Shimano XT RapidFire+,
Bike Setup: Cannondale F3000SL with full XTR groupset
from Surrey, UK
Date Reviewed: September 29, 2003
These are fantastic. I never even tried the trigger levers, having used friends ones i just took them straight off, and haven't looked back. People's complaints about Rapid Rise rear mechs have nothing to do with the shifter, Shimano dont make you use one, i still use an 02 rear mech, and its perfect, every shift, and thats in all the British sand and general s**t we get! I feel they're less likely to get smashed than the old ones, if you clout the brake lever, it can pivot out the way after all! I've ridden about 1000 miles on these, including racing the British National Points Series races (NORBA equivilent) and haven't once made an accidental shift. As for price, they are actually only $20 more than the combined 02 XTR STI levers for the V-brake versions (British retail prices) which isnt that bad when the v-brakes have gone up by $15, and the product is 100% identical! There really is no reason not to get these, go out and buy them, buy them now!
Does any one know if the current XTR rear derailluer is compatable with old school (2002) 9spd trigger shifters, either XT to XTR. I know they don't have the fine tune adjuster where the cable mounts to the derailluer! Fine tuning can only be done at the shifter barrell, but is this sufficient!!
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i've heard that shimano designed this crank to fit both 68 and 73 mm BB shell lengths (designed for one chainline). however, to fit a 68mm you have to use the supplied spacers. i'm guessing that this essentially converts your 68 to a 73 length. isn't this a "bad" thing for a bike originally desig ... Read More »
after came across the review of this product at mtbreview.com, it seemed that most of the users not happy with the performance such as chainring probs..etc etc.. My bike is currently using some sort of old crappy crankset with xtr 2003 rear derail. So, my point is, does it worth for me to get this x ... Read More »
hey all. Currently, im using shimano deore shifter and rear derail. After few months of using this pair, i would like to shift to new derailleurs. Sram x0 managed to get me excited but i nee d to change the shifter as well. So, i planned to use back shimano product. Do you guys think that shimano xt ... Read More »