from Grimsby, Lincolnshire, UK
Date Reviewed: October 1, 2011
Strengths: Build quality, looks, style, reputation, stopping power
Weaknesses: slightly heavy, expensive (but worth it), original hope pads are useless.
Ok, these aren't the lightest or the cheapest brakes available on the market but they certainly aren't the heaviest or most expensive either.
Pount for pound these are the best brakes money can buy (in my opinion)
They are easy to fit, easy to maintain, easy to get spares for.
I run M4s f&r on my Whyte 46, with floating rotors and they are perfect for british trail riding. I spend most of my time at Dalby Forest or at Gisburn Forest and they have NEVER let me down, unlike other brakes.
I don't rate the hope pads at all but there are plenty of after market ones available. EBC red or gold is my weapon of choice.
The feedback these give you is perfect and you know exactly how much brake you are applying.
Spend time to set them up right (disc in centre of caliper) and they will be as good as they get. I'm confident that folks who have had bad experiences with these are just narrow minded and too lazy to set them up right. They need bleading properly too. Plenty of vids on youtube.
Similar Products Used: Avid Juicy 7, Juicy carbon, Hope Mono-6 Ti
Bike Setup: Whyte 46 (2007), Fox Talas 36 RC2 forks, Fox DHX5 air shock, XTR f&r mech M970, XTR Shifters M970, Thomson Elite stem, Thomson Elite post, SDG bel-air, ODG lock ons, Easton Havoc bars, XT HT2 chainset, Hope Hoops, Hope Stanless BB, Hope M4's 205f 185r, DMR V12's, Schwalbe Nobby Nic evo.
a Weekend Warrior
Date Reviewed: May 27, 2011
Strengths: quality, stoping power, looks
these brakes are the nuts! they work all day long and knock the socks off all the other brakes i've had. get a mono m4 with a 180mm disk on the front and a mini with 160mm disk on the back, and for most riding(bar heavy dh) you can't go wrong.
Weaknesses: bleeding is awkward for the hoses and the brake is absolutely pointless if u actually want one to last!!!
they were too noisy for my linking. locked up when u didnt want then too. came out of line three times in a race! brakes only lasted about 4 rides. then supplier had to issue me with another set. which lasted for a few more runs. I strongly urge you not to but them.... get the avid elixir. much better. if u ride downhill then dont get it. not lasting long enough is the main problem. idf u r a cross country or gentle rider then they should be fine. just not any good for proper hard riding.
Strengths: Strong, good fade resistance and resistance to warping(especially with pinned "floating" rotors), simple to bleed, reliable. These use the same pads as the older shimano XT brakes as well.
Weaknesses: Levers rattle a bit and need to be tightened from time to time, pretty rare though.
I never have problems with these. I did finally wear out a rotor (owned em since 2005 though), but otherwise they have been great and I never have to think about them. That is the sign of a great product.
Similar Products Used: Avid Code 5, Avid BB7, Avid Juicy, Hope DH4, Shimano LX, Hayes HFX, Hayes Mags, Magura Gustav...
Bike Setup: Turner RFX.
a Weekend Warrior
from Salisbury, UK
Date Reviewed: August 5, 2008
Strengths: Looks pretty good, good modulation
Weaknesses: Lacking power, rotors bend too easily, too expensive for performance.
Bought these 2nd hand about a year ago (06/07 Model - black) with (front) 200mm rotor as i found my 180mm mono mini was not powerful enough as i got better. Was just never really blown away. Had hoped to feel a dramatic difference to the minis and there wasn't.
Have since bought fibrax sintered pads - made a fairly big difference, hope floating rotors - still bend too easily and not much difference and goodridge braided hoses - more solid feel but only a little more power. After all that money I'm still not blown away and to top it of the lever feels almost sticky. Hard to explain but when you pull it quickly it feels as though there is loads of resistance. Bike shop said it may be air so had them bled - no differnce. I have cleaned an lubed pivots - no difference.
I know its not sensible but I want to know that I could lock the brake going downhill really fast with one finger. Can't even do it with 2 fingers. Bottom line - I have spent over £200 ($400) on this brake hoping it would be good as I thought it would be cheaper than buying a new brake and well it just isn't. Its alright but who wants an alright brake. Reckon its time to cut my losses and buy a formula brake. Although the new Moto M4 or whatever (silver, black caps) seems to fair better in reviews but I have just lost confidence in Hope
Just to say I'm not hope-bashing, love my clickety-clackety Pro 2 hubs and my rear mono mini with 160mm rotor is good, I can lock the wheel with one finger - its not problem free mind - bent rotor and the sintered pads, whilst powerful and lasting, need quite regular sanding as the become all smooth and useless (may be normal)
a Weekend Warrior
Date Reviewed: May 19, 2008
Strengths: Modulation, feel, power ,looks.
Weaknesses: Rear needed bleeding right out of the box.
So far these brakes are very, very good. I only have around 6 rides on them so we'll see how they pan out in the long run. The set up was pretty easy. Except that the rear brake had hardly any fluid at all straight out of the box. This was not a big deal as I had to shorten the rear hose anyway. Filling and bleeding the rear was a breeze. The overall quality and feel of the brake is second to none, the levers feel perfect as does modulation and stopping power. However. Do not just grab a handful of front brake when you need to stop, you will get sent over the bars if you do this. Trust me I know.
Not cheap brakes but I do feel they are good value based on the quality.
a Cross Country Rider
from North Central, Alberta, Canada
Date Reviewed: March 22, 2008
Strengths: Great power, superb modulation and very bling. Don't need to remove the wheel to worth with the pads.
Weaknesses: Bit of a pain to set up. Perhaps a little heavy for pure XC use. Little more expensive than some of the other brakes out there.
I've had good experiences with a variety of Hope products so after hearing good reviews on the M4's, I thought I'd give them a go. I don't know if there are two version of the M4 anymore (Mono vs. regular) but these are definitely the Mono M4's.
I picked up the 203mm post mount front and a 180mm IS rear. (I'm a clyde class rider, so I make use of bigger brakes as I live in a town with a substantial river valley and most of our local trails have a fair bit of up and down)
Set-up took a little longer than other brakes have in the past, but it was well worth the added time to do it right. Break / bed in time was about 2 hrs of riding.
Once bedded in the brakes produce phenomenal power. I need only 1 finger to slow myself from a good speed to a trackstand while going down a 15% grade. Two fingers could easily launch you into an endo if you're too vigorous.
All that power does not come at the expense of modulation, though. Just yesterday I went down a snowy / slushy / muddy descent that made me appreciate the modulation and feel these brakes have to offer. In spite of the less than ideal surface, the brakes left me in total control without locking up.
Although QA/C has been a bit hit and miss in the past (see the previous reviews) it looks like they've got these down pat now... The M4's (mono or otherwise) are great brakes (just check out the other M4 reviews).
If you're not counting every gram or cross country race, these are wonderful brakes well worth the added weight. They take a little longer to set-up, but once done, they reward you with great power and modulation. May not be quite enough for pure DH work, but Hope has other brakes for that. Plus they look sweet. A little pricey, so the value chilis suffer a bit, but other than that, an outstanding product.
a Weekend Warrior
Date Reviewed: January 1, 2008
Strengths: Easy to install. powerfull.mostly silent when braking
If you are heavy you should buy 4 pad included brakes. like this. After use hayes (I think very good brakes) Hope mono m4 stopped me very strongly. no fear to stopping.but maybe little heavy than some other.
Bike Setup: Specialized epic s-works, chris king ,mavic ust, xtr component
a Cross Country Rider
Date Reviewed: October 4, 2007
Strengths: This is a follow up to the review I wrote in 2004. I moved back to France a couple of years ago and to a town near the Jura and the Alps last year, so my still lovely Hopes do bigger downhills than they did at the beginning... They are still great - pivots on the levers are starting to show a bit of wear, they have had the fluid replaced twice (don't buy the Hope bleed kits which are a ridiculous ripoff, just get some plastic tube and a jam jar. The bike they're on gets used every day for around a 40km commute and the Hopes still work beautifully. Just pad changes once in a while (less often than the Deore LX disk pads on my other bike, which is used less) I use Hope pads and have had good luck with them. Seals are still the originals, no sign of leaks, just a clean every now and then (basically when I change the pads). Solid levers really feel dependable and the quality of the construction I am sure contributes to the longevity.
Weaknesses: They still howl a lot when they get hot on big downhills (but then so do my Deore LX disks on my other bike). They can rub sometimes, and went through a spell where they rubbed really badly, though I think that this was due to the accumulation of a winter's grime on the pistons. The springs (to back off the pads - in between the pads) are, frankly, pathetic and break almost instantaneously, which can't help with the rubbing, but it has never given me any serious problems.
After 3+ years of hard use and embarassingly little maintenance the Hopes are still going very strong. Pivots on the levers will need to be replaced soon and a fairly thorough cleanout and overhaul of every part of the mechanism can't be far behind, but in view of the number of hours these have put in, in all conditions, used daily on and off-road I really can't complain. If you look at an investment in terms of aggravation saved and sheer reliability, the Hopes actually start to look quite reasonably priced. Well, almost...
Similar Products Used: Deore LX disks - not really in the same league. When you use the Hopes, you understand what modulation should feel like.
Bike Setup: Norco hardtail, all standard XT kit apart from the Hopes.
a Cross Country Rider
from Charlotte,NC USA
Date Reviewed: September 10, 2007
Strengths: Excellent stopping power,Cool Looking
These brakes are awesome!! Easy to mount and adjust.In 45 min. I was riding.Excellent modulation and stopping power.Hang on if you grab a handful of these brakes or you may go sailing over the handle bars!I am 195 lbs. and it sure is nice to have brakes you can count on.I love them.
a Cross Country Rider
from devon, england
Date Reviewed: August 14, 2007
Strengths: strong solid product and it feels it too.....and its made here....
Weaknesses: i have riden much better
perhaps i have a duff set or i have a particular expectation but i like the breaking to feel solid and 'safe'. dont get me wrong, these will stop me but i do not like the feel at all. i have bled and re bled but to no avail. i am constantly left wonering if they are stopping me. i have had hopes before that were better than these. on top of this, i am going through pads like they are going out of fashion, at least 5 packs this year and as any brit will tell, you we are currently having the worst ever weather on record (its august it shhould be 25'c not 12-15'c and winter storms) so riding is not a frequent thing! i do live in a very gritty place and my componants wear out quickly, (on third cass and chain in a year) but i just expect that bit more you know..... sometimes having a pimp looking bit of bike bling is not value for money. buy if you like alot of modulation dont buy if you like that hayes 9 'on or off' feeling.
a Cross Country Rider
Date Reviewed: August 2, 2007
Strengths: Modulation, lever shape, great stopping power
Weaknesses: Front rotor was a little out of true, nothing major but wanted to mention.
This is the '07 model, after some initial setup problems, they've been working great, modulation is excellent, the lever shape is just perfect, they offer good power and you can lock the wheels if you want, but these babies strong point is modulation: they shine in technical situations where you want to slow down but want to keep the wheels going.
I give them a 4 just for the setup problems but probably was my fault as this is my first time installing hydro brakes.
Bike Setup: Cannondale Rush, M960 cranks & rear der, XT cassete & front der, Carbon Lefty SL fork, DT 4.2 rims with Hope Pro 2 rear hub & Lefty front hub, Mono M4 front brake/Mono Mini rear with floating rotors.
Basically I have a Ti-6 brake with a damage master cylinder and I was wondering if you can just swap the master cylinder from a mono Mini (i have one) with out any trouble..
I have the sense the diameters (addition of all of them) end up been the same area but I'm not sure...
In any case pleas ... Read More »
I've just bought new Hope Saw 203mm Floating Rotors to go with my Hope Mono M4 callipers.
Sadly though the rotors appear to be too large in diameter and foul the caliper body.
There is no room for adjustment to push the calliper out any further.
All my research would seem to suggest that 203mm r ... Read More »
Trying to mount a Hope Mono M4 front brake on an older Fox 40 with IS mount tabs. Since the 40 is setup to run a 203mm rotor with only using a 160mm adapter, the M4 hits the adapter and won't allow it to mount (see below pics) . I know I could cut the adapter and remove the material that it is hitt ... Read More »