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pierre bourgon
a Cross Country Rider
from cornwall, ON, CanadaDate Reviewed: August 27, 2006
Strengths: stops better than the Hayes nine brakes on my Secialised Bighit Expert FR bike. no squeal once toed in properly. attactiveWeaknesses: none so farBottom Line: these brakes rule. I was stunned when I realized that they actually outperformed the hydro brakes on my FR bike
Favorite Trail: trails around cornwall
Duration Product Used: 3 months
Price Paid:
$27.00
Purchased At: Ebay, used
Similar Products Used: Deore V brakes:not nearly as good as XT
Bike Setup: Giant XTC 2002 Manitou Super Axel fork Bontager lite saddle & Mustang rims Deore OE crankset, Brake levers, STX RC 8spd shifters Sora BB, 12-21 cassette Haro gooseneck, 90mm 25deg all other parts XT, Dart& Smoke 2.1
cool stop brake pads. thats all the local shop had
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chaz c
a Weekend Warrior
from ridgefield, NJ USADate Reviewed: August 19, 2006
Strengths: Stops well. Servicable. Fully adjustable.Weaknesses: THE SQUEAL. Weight. High maintenance.Bottom Line: Just finished servicing the front and rear. Used the shims in the XT maintanance kit, regreased, and replaced shimano stock pads with salmon colored koolstops (very nice). stops well with no front squeal and rear grind. wondering how long the silence is going to last. going to go with avids or pauls next time.
Favorite Trail: Ringwood
Duration Product Used: More than 3 years
Purchased At: Ebay
Bike Setup: Ibis XT Thompson Race Face Easton
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A Rider
a Cross Country Rider
from UKDate Reviewed: January 24, 2006
Strengths: These brakes stop the bike well if you really have to stop. I'm still on my first set of pads - the ear splitting screech that you get if you put your fingers anywhere near the lever is such that you only want them in an absolute emergency. You don't need to fit a bell to warn folks you're coming - they heard you half and hour ago.Weaknesses: See above.Bottom Line: I haven't got the noise sorted out yet. After reading some of the other posts here I might try something a bit drastic to get it fixed. If that doesn't work I'm thinking about buying a new bike soon anyway.
I'm glad I looked at this forum - I was starting to think that my bike fixing skills had gone to horses**t but it looks like I'm not alone in my woes. My bike was built pretty much from scratch so I thought I'd screwed it up somewhere along the way. Maybe this isn't the case after all.......
Duration Product Used: More than 3 years
Purchased At: Local store
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Brad
a Cross Country Rider
from Genoa City, WIDate Reviewed: May 12, 2005
Bottom Line: I solved the front brake squealing problem by toeing out the pads. I know it defies logic, but that was the recommendation from a local bike mechanic. Loosen the pads, put rubber bands on the forward end of them, and then adjust, tighten, and remove the bands. I was amazed at the results.
Duration Product Used: 6 months
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Chris
a Weekend Warrior
from Hallidays Point, NSW, AustraliaDate Reviewed: March 13, 2005
Strengths: Good powerWeaknesses: Brake squeal - but it is fixable. The squeal is caused by movement in the linkages allowing the brake shoe to rapidly move back and forward making the noise. There may be pad and rim variables as well but it is not simply poor setup that causes the problem. I think you have to be lucky to get a "tight" set to avoid the noise. Fortunately the brake can be dismantled - remove from the bike, pop off the plastic covers over the pivots, undo the tiny grub screws that hold in the bushing and push out the 2 bushings. You could use shims to remove the play between the arms and the "saddle" but I simply put the saddle in a vice and gently compressed it until the arm was a firm fit then reassembled the brake. It takes about 15 mins per side. You need to compress the saddle gently as its only aluminium. All bolts must also be tight. I think if you do this you will fix the noise even with shoes in a neutral position. Good luck.Bottom Line: A good brake let down by its squeal but you can tighten them up as above to fix it. I tried Koolstops but they actually made the problem worse - OK now after the above surgery. If you dont own these you probably can get others that will work as well and not have to worry about this but if you already own them you have not much to lose trying my fix.
Duration Product Used: 1 Year
Price Paid:
$35.00
Purchased At: Ebay
Similar Products Used: Avid
Bike Setup: Specialized MTB Tandem
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Eneko Golinski
a Weekend Warrior
from Basque Country (Spain)Date Reviewed: February 2, 2005
Strengths: Breaking powerWeaknesses: Front brake noiseBottom Line: After 1 year using this brakes, I'm still trying to shut up my front brake. Now I'm going to try Kool Stop shoes, and I hope noise will, at least, reduce.
I installed the brakes myself, but don't think it's my fault. It seems that almost everybody has the same problem, specially with the front brake.
Anyway... I love the breaking power this brakes have. Just one BIG problem: I'm becoming a psycho biker too... and that's because I try to avoid using the front brake unless is unevitable.
So I'm decided: if I can't shut up the brake, I'll consider installing disk brakes in the fron wheel.
A final question... what is saying Shimano about this?
Duration Product Used: 1 Year
Price Paid:
$45.00
Purchased At: Local dealer
Similar Products Used: Older cantilever brakes
Bike Setup: Cannondale Bad Boy, Shimano XT (2000?)
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Graham
a Weekend Warrior
from PerthDate Reviewed: January 8, 2005
Strengths: Light weight, effective, great modulation, a doddle to maintain, robust build quality.
Weaknesses: Occasional squeal, loss of effectiveness in extremely wet conditions.Bottom Line: I have been using these brakes for nearly six years now as they came with the bike's full XT groupset. Shimano pads have been swapped out for Kool Stops. As conditions in Western Australia are very dry and dusty for 80% of the year and only very rarely do we experience extremely wet rides in the rainy season, these humble V's have proved to be very capable stoppers.
Indeed what ultimately determines braking performance locally is tyre choice. The Verts seem tailor made for us!
Yes, they do howl occasionally (zip-ties around the parralellogram go some way to addressring this) and require two finger braking but they stop the bike as effectively as discs in loose conditions.
However disc brakes also screech, disc brake levers have an awful tendency to creep towards the handle-bars (Hayes HFX 9's!!!) and people that use them frequently grumble about set-up, bleeding the system, and pad wear and choice.
I shall not consider discs until my currant (and completely original) wheelset dies, the gremlins have been largely sorted out and the price comes down.
Duration Product Used: More than 3 years
Similar Products Used: LX v's. Discs on friends bike.
Bike Setup: '99 Mount Vision. Fox Vanilla fork @ 100mm. Continental Verticals. Easton and WCS finishing kit. King headset.
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roland
from slc, utDate Reviewed: July 13, 2004
Strengths: good powerWeaknesses: Noice...Noise ...NoiseBottom Line: Good brakes with the exception of the noise issues. This prevents me from recommending them. It is THAT loud. Better yet, buy two sets. S&&t on the first set and cover it up with the second set.
Duration Product Used: More than 3 years
Price Paid:
$40.00
Purchased At: local shop
Similar Products Used: Avid 5.0
Bike Setup: Specialized FSR
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el ray
from someplace in the midwestDate Reviewed: June 4, 2003
Strengths: i suppose these brakes haven't caused me or my family any real physical harm...my pulse and sperm count are still normalWeaknesses: when you squeeze the brake lever in an attempt to apply the brakes, pandora's box opens and all the evils in the world are unleashed upon my unsuspecting eardrumsBottom Line: it's funny - the more you toe these breakpads in, the worse the blood-chilling ear drilling becomes. i actually "heal"-ed in my rear brake pads and toed in 1 front and levelled the other front to produce the least amount of ear pillaging possible...if you have these brakes and haven't already found yourself curled in the bathtub in the fetal position reciting stairway to heaven backwards, try messing the the brake pads until the dentist drill becomes less piercing.
Duration Product Used: 3 months
Similar Products Used: fingernails on a chalkboard, nails in a blender, jamming a manual transmission car into reverse at 60 mph
Bike Setup: xc racing hardtail; long-travel fork
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cicada The Insect Man
a Cross Country Rider
from Melbourne Date Reviewed: September 11, 2002
Strengths: They stop very well on the rear. (Very easy to adjust on the rear)Weaknesses: On the front a design flaw causes vibration problems that result in hideous screaming, squealing and zero modulation.
On the front brake, screeeeech free pad alignment can only be achieved on the 7th day of the 7th month in the 7th year after a sacrificing 3 XTR rear derailleurs and a Dura-Ace equipped titanium road bike in a sacred fire fuelled by 7 kevlar race tires.Bottom Line: pifffft get a certified bike mechanic to adjust your pads.... come on this is basic bike maintenance at best, not rocket science. Don’t take any notice of the people who keep saying “you don’t know how to adjust your pads and get a pro to do it, yudda yudda yudda......” I asked around a few very highly regarded bike shops and they all said it’s a known problem with the newer XT brakes on the front, and that there is no real solution.
The fact is on the front, on 90% of bikes these things will squeal and vibrate like all the demons of all the hellish dimentions of the universe have possessed you brake pads and are having a party in there
I’m running the worst possible combination for the noise factor with my brakes. Bomber forks and Mavic rims with the machined side walls.
I’ve been setting up riding and racing Mountain Bikes for 10 years... I know what I’m doing and no amount of *#$&ing around with the pad alignment will result in squeal free breaking for more than a few hours of dry ride time, (or 10 mins in the wet). As soon as the mystical perfect amount of toe-in wears away it’s back to the hideous screeeeeeching.
I’ve tried all the solutions mentioned. I find a massive amount of toe in is the best solution. Obviously this will FUBAR your pads in no time and the noise comes back quick.
I also get the best results (for noise not stopping power) with very cheap $10 Jagwire pads, the rubber compound is as hard as a cats head and its reduced grip adds to the modulation and prevents the sudden grip-release-grip shuddering that causes the hideous squealing noise with these breaks.
How the ..... did these things ever make it past RnD.
BTW it gets worse as the breaks get older.
Favorite Trail: Mt Beauty Big Hill fire trail going up
Duration Product Used: 2 Years
Purchased At: Came on bike
Similar Products Used: hmmmm the most similar product to this I've seen is a 3yr old throwing an tantrum because mommy will not by them a toy at the supermarket. Although that is a soothing melody compared to the noise my XT front brakes make.
Bike Setup: Giant AXT 890 with Bombers.
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simo
a Weekend Warrior
from sydneyDate Reviewed: June 3, 2002
Strengths: typical shimano build qualityWeaknesses: over engineered, and boy do they squeel. Dogs howl, sheep flee, horses bolt, grannies have heart attacks.Bottom Line: i really wanted to love these brakes- before i put them on the bike that is. everything people say below is true, only more so. until you have heard the sound these brakes you can't quite believe it. It's enough to make you take your hands off the brakes- equalling no stopping power. sheesh. however I have managed to cure them. how? changed to fibrax pads (little change), and MOVED THE ARMS FURTHER APART. you do this with the spacers provided for the brakepad holders and it seems to do the trick. apparently it makes the brakes stronger the further apart the arms are. either that or i'm just lucky. try it, you never know. i've never had any problems with shimano gear before, i only hope someone fell on their sword over these things back at hq.....
Duration Product Used: 1 Year
Price Paid:
$100.00
Purchased At: a shop
Similar Products Used: dia compes, shimano LX (don't squeel- how comes?)
Bike Setup: turner xc with xt throughout
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Hardcore
a Downhiller
from GermanyDate Reviewed: January 20, 2002
Strengths: You get fast because they don't work.
Its name is not brake, it's fake!!!Weaknesses: The paralelogram flew away while trialing along. Glad that I was just jumping around in my garden. Had not a long walk home. Squeeky. Dirty cables like all non-hydraulic brakes.Bottom Line: If you have some, dismantle them, then your bike loses weight. Brakepower? What power? Take Magura or disks but stay away from this paralelogram things. It suxxx! Friends of V's take Avid SingleDigit 20. Cheap and working acceptable.
Favorite Trail: Die Rinne
Duration Product Used: 6 months
Price Paid:
$60.00
Similar Products Used: DX-Cantilevers, Maguras, Avids, LX-V's
Tested Gustav M, Hayes and Hope.
Bike Setup: GT ZASKAR
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dennisd
a Cross Country Rider
from Cornwall, OntarioDate Reviewed: January 18, 2002
Strengths: -POWERFUL
-Easy pad replacement
-LightWeaknesses: -ExpensiveBottom Line: I have a couple of riding buddies who have been using XT V brakes for years. They've never had a problem with all of this squealing nonsense. I know because I ride with them. Apparently, the problem really is with improper installation and brake pad wear. A word of advice to all of you home mechanics out there who think they can install their own brakes: don't.
XT V brakes really do need to be installed by a CERTIFIED bike mechanic. Also the pads need to be replaced on a fairly regular basis. Don't forget that these are performance oriented brakes. If you're getting a squealing noise after three or four months of riding then guess what? You're pads are worn out! For God's sakes replace them. If they still squeal, then they were improperly installed to begin with.
As for people with AMP or Girvin forks, well there's your problem right there. Those things twist like a piece of long underwear in the wind. Advice: Get a real fork.
I've just installed a new set of XT's a month ago and I've had zero problems. These things blow away just about any other V out there. Massive power, great modulation, an excellent design. They're also very light. XT's properly set up, really do rival disc brakes, yes even in mud (with machined rims of course).
Lookit, if you buy a Ferrari or a Porsche then you've got to take care it. Same thing with any performance orented system. I love these brakes. My only beef: they are a little pricey, but they're still a much cheaper alternative than a decent set of discs.
'nuff said. Get these.
Favorite Trail: Brockville
Duration Product Used: Less than 1 month
Similar Products Used: AceraX cantis, LX, ProMax, etc.
Bike Setup: Enduro '01 Sport
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Kevin
a Weekend Warrior
from Vancouver, BC, CanadaDate Reviewed: January 4, 2002
Bottom Line: The $1500 is for my GT Zaskar. I'm really writing this to help others with the extremely annoying squeal. My fronts squealed like a stuck pig until I installed a brake booster. Zero squeal after that.
I was quite happy with the XT's stopping power - until I tried disk brakes. No contest after that. The v-brakes are great in perfect conditions, but our trails are muddy 10 months a year!! Did I mention that v-brakes don't work at all in the snow?
Duration Product Used: 2 Years
Price Paid:
$1500.00
Purchased At: Bikes on Broadway
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Eric
a Cross Country Rider
from Mountain ViewDate Reviewed: November 30, 2001
Strengths: inexpensiveWeaknesses: squealBottom Line: These came on a new bike that I purchased. I was very disappointed. I had an old set of XT v-brakes (1997) and they were decent brakes but the linkage wore out after 3 yers of riding. I opted for Avids and have been very happy with them. The new XT's are significantly worse than the '97 technology. The front brake squeals like crazy, and I've tried my best to quiet it. After two rides I purchased another set of Avids. In general I think Shimano makes good quality products. This is not one of them.
Duration Product Used: Less than 1 month
Purchased At: came on bike
Similar Products Used: '97 XT, Avid SD Mag, Avid, SD Ti, catis
Bike Setup: full XT
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