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firedawg225
a Cross Country Rider
from Misawa JapanDate Reviewed: December 23, 2010
Strengths: Everything!! these things rock.
- Stop just like the plain jane XT brakes
- Controls are strong and constant
- If setup right can be used with one finger no problem
- No accidental shifts does take a effort to shift. A slight move won't make them shift
- Declutters the handle bars everything in one package
- Simple setup for anyone that works on a bikeWeaknesses: - getting used to the up and down shifts. Just gotta get used to the action
- Premade hoses and caliper was too short had to lengthen
- maybe weight but i'm not a weight winnie so who caresBottom Line: Get them. i see posts back and forth. The problem from the old ones have been fixed and they work great!! Simple install and simple use after 1 min of riding i was already used to it. Chain reaction has a great deal if you buy them as 2, front and rear!! good luck and good riding!!
Duration Product Used: Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$300.00
Purchased At: Chain Reaction Cycle
Similar Products Used: Shimano XT hydro brakes
Avid Code
Avid Elixir R
Avid BB7
Bike Setup: 2010 Cove Handjob, All XT and a SRAM XX Reba fort
2010 Trek Fuel EX9, shimano and SRAM parts, fox fork
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sevenzero
a Cross Country Rider
from SocalDate Reviewed: November 15, 2009
Strengths: 1. They look like Darth Vader's hands.
2. Cable routing is amazing, can hardly see them at all.
3. They look super clean on the bike, almost a single speed look.
4. Action is super smooth and effortless.Weaknesses: 1. Lots of ish going on inside, I think one good crash...
2. Way too much lever throw and then sponge at the lever when you panic stop!
3. Retail price, ***holes. More expensive than aftermarket CAR brakes!! (The China built stuff SRAM sells isn't any cheaper)Bottom Line: I really like the overall look and feel of this shift/brake setup, the shifting operation IMO is second to nothing I've tried so far (grip-shift, shimano's grip-shift, countless rapid fire models). The lever shape, and movement on the braking side of things is not the best, it's positioned above the grip centerline when mounted, it pulls too far in when braking, requires two fingers. I bet most riders would be immediately offended by the way the lever moves in four directions, as I was at first, now that I have some miles in on it, they're the best so far...
My Value Rating is based on what I paid, so 5
Overall Rating, a 4
Favorite Trail: Aunt Stacy
Duration Product Used: Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$200.00
Purchased At: Walmart
Similar Products Used: Hayes mag, Hayes OEM junk, Shimano XT old dual piston stuff.
Bike Setup: Felt Nine Pro frame, Reba, Stylo, '09 XT dual controls, calipers and mechs, TunerCarbonFiberStylie Bars/Post, Azonic Shorty DLX stem! Woo! Lock on ruffian BMX grips. Crappy OEM wheelset...
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socal_xc_mtb
a Cross Country Rider
from Pasadena, CADate Reviewed: March 9, 2009
Strengths: Big improvement over last model (ST-M765). Totally redesigned solving all of my dislikes.Weaknesses: Pricey if retail. More parts to break? Great item when purchased at discount. Grams more weight. No gear indicator (if you actually look at these).Bottom Line: I know that some love and some hate dual controls. The improvements that they made makes it more lovable. I've liked Dual Control and Rapid Rise far more than the old style shifting systems, after giving them a fair chance. I dealt with some of the quirks that the previous model had since the benefits outweighed the negatives. They scrapped the old design entirely and started fresh. Works the same way and still requires rapid rise (Low normal), but how it does it is entirely new. There are plenty writeups about Dual Control already, I'm just covering what I liked about these.
Improvements:
#1 Previous Model: The brake lever had to move upwards, even though I was using the thumb lever to downshift. NOW: You can downshift and brake. The lever does not move when you use the thumb lever.
#2 Previous Model: Whole assembly including the shifter cable, when braking. NOW: Nothing but the brake lever moves now.
#3 Previous Model: Single Release, each thumb click = 1 gear. NOW: Multi-release, you can push further and drop 2 gears.
Some subjective improvements: I liked how these feel a lot better. I feel like there's more feedback in the lever when braking and modulating. The levers are also adjustable, so you can set your preference. The quality seems better. The whole assembly feels more solid without adding much weight. Speaking of weight, this shifter is slightly heavier than its predecessor. 515g vs 480g. Even though I don't like the thought of adding weight to my lightweight rig, the benefits were worth it.
Seems like Shimano really listened. For those that like the concept of Dual Control, but didn't like how Shimano went about it in the past, this model solves those problems.
Favorite Trail: MC
Duration Product Used: 3 months
Similar Products Used: ST-M765, Various, Standard Shimano Shifters
Bike Setup: Intense Spider (XVP), Fox Talas 32 RLC, Fox RP23, DT Swiss 240s w/ 4.2, XT components, etc.
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