A 35mm tube, 0.9mm at the ends and 0.6mm in the middle. Compared to the 28.6mm top tube on the standard inbred it's 50g heavier, but about 40% stiffer and 60% stronger in frontal impact.
Submitted by
bams962
a Weekend Warrior
from Adelaide, South Australia, Australia Date Reviewed: November 2, 2009
Favorite Trail:
Melrose
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1800.00
Purchased At:
From On-One direct
Strengths:
Handling, ride quality, ability to take abuse, weight (lack of!), it might sound pathetic, but it's also very easy to keep clean (no paint to scratch!).
Weaknesses:
None yet
Similar Products Used:
Commencals, Stumpjumper HT, Kona Kula Supreme
Bike Setup:
09 Fox 32 TALAS 140mm, XT, Hope/DT wheels
Bottom Line:
This review is for the Ti 456.
I'm 5'6" and have the 16" frame.
Left my review a while until I'd had a chance to really ride the bike. It still continues to amaze! It actually feels like there is a couple of inches of travel - or at least somewhere between my Kona and the Commencal Meta4. Regularly ride with guys with 5" travel bikes. Even on rocky tracks it still seems to keep them honest. Yes, it's still a hardtail, but once you learn to ride the forks the rear end just seems to follow through regardless of the terrain (no pinch flats yet!). I was of the opinion that the ideal "all round" mtb would be a 5" travel bike. This has changed my mind. It does it all (especially technical riding) and should last forever - with no pivot or shock rebuilds! Just seems to be getting better with each ride.
It's not super cheap, but excellent value for what it delivers, and should continue to deliver.
Great service from On-One - just keep an eye out for their specials (I just missed out on getting a set of FREE Revelations thrown in for the same price, but my order had already been shipped to Oz).
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Submitted by
inbredgreasemonkey420
a Cross Country Rider
from Boise, Idaho USA Date Reviewed: July 20, 2009
Favorite Trail:
Loon Lake Loop
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$175.00
Purchased At:
Paradise Bikes (Mosc
Strengths:
Steel is real! Awesome geometry: slack on the DH trails and perfect on the climbs. This thing is unstoppable uphill and is the best hardtail I've ever ridden downhill. Sweet paint job (gold w/black headset, wheels, crank, bars) and went together without any pain. Love the slot dropouts. Kickass deal.
Weaknesses:
Haven't found any...yet.
Similar Products Used:
Kona Cindercone, Specialized Stumpjumper, Rocky Mountain RM7, Kona Stinky, Trek Fuel
Bike Setup:
Sun Blackeye rims, WTB Velociraptor tires, Truativ Crank, Hayes Nines, XTR rear derailleur, XT front derailleur, Deore trigger shifters, Rockshox Tora 356, FSA headset, ODI grips, WTB Pure saddle, Crank Bros. Mallet C.
Bottom Line:
Judging by my setup, you can tell I'm a budget rider. I picked this frame and fork up on trade for a Fox DHX 4.0+$75.00...not a bad swap, most of the other components came from my ill-fated Cindercone. She's a mishmash of parts, but she rules the singletrack. A tad on the heavy side for true XC, but when you are pushing 200lbs, you'd prefer strength and durability over lightness. Bottom line: I love this bike and I intend to be buried with it!!!!
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Submitted by
konaboy2275
a Weekend Warrior
from Manchester Date Reviewed: July 15, 2009
Favorite Trail:
Pleny at Morzine
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$175.00
Purchased At:
on-one website
Strengths:
Frame, price, ride, uphill ability, tough enough for hammering around my local woods and a bit of DH!
Weaknesses:
It rusts but not really that bothered personally.
Similar Products Used:
Loads of GT hardtails (6 x Karakorams, Avalanche 1.0's), Kona Muni Mula, Spesh Rockhopper, Kona Coiler, Stinky, Marin Rock Springs, Scott Nitrous 30.
Bike Setup:
Have 2 of these, one white 'not sliding dropout' set up rigid with Kona P2's, SLX and XT running gear and ringle / mavic wheels. Other is a 456 Summer Season singlespeed with hope wheels, hayes nine discs, 'zocchi AM1 SL's and FSA bit n bobs.
Bottom Line:
Out of all my bikes I always seem to go for the singlespeed, it just seems easier, especially as where I ride is often muddy. No skipping gears and no major service required when I get in to keep the gears running smooth, just hose it down, bit of oil on the chain and it's ready to go next time. The frames seems to fly up hill, I was always a fan of GT's but the On-ones seems to have a bit more zip when pedalling upwards. I would recommend the Inbreds to anyone and they are also very versatile with the rack mounts so I can put my child seat on and take my son out for a spin on it too! Take it off, put some big tyres on and I was keeping up with my mate on his Nomad on a DH course!
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Submitted by
TomK3
a Weekend Warrior
from white plains, NY Date Reviewed: April 12, 2009
Favorite Trail:
Graham Hills
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$300.00
Purchased At:
direct from on-one
Strengths:
Price, handling, geometry, AWESOME climber
Weaknesses:
Wanted to put ISIS BB in without chasing BB threads, wouldn't go. Chased BB threads, BB full of crud
Salsa OS carbon riser bars, Oury lock on grips, SRAM XO shifters, XTR cable brake levers, Avid BB7 brakes (205 front, 180 rear), X-gen front derailleur, X-9 mid cage rear, FSA gravity cranks, FSA platinum ISIS BB, FSA pig pro headset, Manitou Minute MRD 130mm fork with 20mm axle, Custom built wheels, Stans rims, Hope front hub, King Rear hub, Schwalbe Nobby Nic tires, Thompson seatpost and stem, WTB seat
Bottom Line:
I stopped riding last Summer because of a medical issue and got REALLY out of shape over the winter. Thought about riding a lot, bought this frame and built it up with stuff I had on other bikes while wishing I could ride again. This bike is PERFECT with the components I have built it up with. I have started riding again this spring and am extremely happy on this bike. I love my Banshee Morphine, but I wanted to get back into riding on something a little bit lighter. I am 6'2" with a 34" inseam. The 20 inch frame seems to fit perfectly. I had an 18" sliding dropout Inbred. It did not fit me as well, was not as comfortable descending, and didn't climb as well, either, but it also had a different fork and components. By the way, this review is for the 456 Summer Season. I love the unpainted clear-coat chromoly finish. I weighed it, and it was about 28 lbs. I thought that if I really liked the bike, I would swap out the frame for a titanium one. This bike rides very light. The way the bike handles now, I'm not sure how that would be an improvement, and it is a LOT more money (although it is actually a well priced titanium frame, and I have always wanted a titanium hardtail).
I am not a cross country racer. Cross Country race bikes give me the uncomfortable feeling that I am going to fly over the handlebars. This bike flies on the trails, but the geometry is slack enough for me to feel comfortable. I don't remember the BB height, but I have smacked my bash guard pretty hard on some stuff that my Banshee clears.
I like this frame much more than I liked my sliding dropout Inbred. I still think the Banshee Morphine is the greatest hardtail ever made, but this is a lighter and more nimble bike. Id doesn't feel like a freeride hardtail to me, but it is a pretty sweet trailbike, and is a really nice frame for the money.
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Submitted by
taukappamu
a Cross Country Rider
from Singapore Date Reviewed: August 2, 2008
Favorite Trail:
Bukit Timah
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$2305.00
Purchased At:
Direct from On-One/V
Strengths:
Responsive, easy to accelerate & climb on.
** 14-inch Titanium 456 **
Low top tube height, so great stand over.
Great raw titanium finish with blasted graphics.
Considerably Lightweight (Frame: 1.54 kg ; Bike : 10.80 kg)
Lifetime warranty.
Bike Setup:
Click on the following link:
http://www.togoparts.com/bikeprofile/viewprofile.php?p=1145&s=0
Bottom Line:
This is also a review on the Ti 456, a very small 14-inch one, specially ordered from Brant, and then direct correspondences with Chad Rucks, Velomix, who are both very prompt with their email replies, many times instantaneous. Great service. Confirmed my order on 13 Jun 08, received my frame on 23 Jul 08, from US to Singapore.
Fantastic geometry with the low, sloping, bent top tube, giving me great stand over. I can accelerate even faster now on this bike. It is smooth enough over small bumps, but of course still reacts much like other hardtails over bigger obstacles. Overall handling is responsive. With the combination of the 2009 Fox TALAS RLC 140, it gives me great flexibility on the trails.
I think I would not disagree with the perfect scores it got from Bikeradar/WMB/MBUK.
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Submitted by
Ollie Shaw
a Weekend Warrior
from Brighton, UK Date Reviewed: May 24, 2008
Favorite Trail:
Cwmcarn
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Purchased At:
On-One online
Strengths:
Chuckable geometry, awesome Ti ride feel, low weight and stiff! Lynskey lifetime warranty. Looks sweet in "blast" finish.
Weaknesses:
Hmmm ... front mech cable stop is a slightly odd angle - cable rubs on it in middle/top rings. No shifting problems however. Head tube a little short on my 16"
Similar Products Used:
Spesh Stumpjumper HT, Epic, FSR, Commencal Meta 5 (last bike)
Bike Setup:
Revelation 426 U-turn, Mavic 717 on XT, 08 XT drivetrain + discs, Conti Verts with Stan's no-tubes, USE carbon post, short stem/high bar.
Bottom Line:
This review is for the Titanium 456. I decided to try going back to a hardtail after 6 years of full sus in an attempt to sort out my lazy riding and to maximize ride time over messing about with pivots etc. My last bike was a Meta 5 - a great rig but it just steam-rollered everyting on my local trails and could be tricky to manouver on tight singletrack.
I chose a Ti bike as I wanted something compliant - I was expecting a fair bit of punishment after waving goodbye to rear travel, but the Ti 456 has totally delivered.
I'v only been on a handful of rides since building it up but it just keeps getting better. I was expecting it to feel lighter, stiffer and easier to pedal than the Meta of course - but what I cant get over is just how well it takes the rough stuff.
On the first couple of rides I was holding back thinking that I shouldnt hit stuff like I did on the full-sus - but now I just cane everything! Its difficult to explain - you still get a kick-back from anything big (it is still a hardtail after all), but the frame seems to "round-off" anything I throw at it. Together with the low weight I'm just floating over stuff that used to make a lot of noise on the Meta.
The geometry rocks - I can get it round the tightest switchbacks that I used to dab with no problems and the steering has a great point-and-shoot feel. 456's are long + low so after talking to Brant at On-One (how many companies let you talk to the frame designer about fit?) I ended up with a 16". It's just right - feels stable on steep descents but doesnt wander on climbs.
On-One and 456's have a great following - even so, I felt shelling out this much for a frame was a bit of a risk. It's really paid off though, I couldnt be happier and judging by Lynskey's lifetime warranty I should be enjoying it for quite a while.
This frame has had some extremely enthusiastic reviews in the UK bike press - leading some to suggest there may be some back scratching going on. I cant comment on wether or not this is the best long-travel hardtail ever. All I can say is that in 18 years of mountain biking this is definately the best frame I've ever ridden.
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Submitted by
iammike234
a Weekend Warrior
from New Jersey Date Reviewed: January 10, 2008
I have this bike set up as an urban bike/cruiser, and it's great. 14" frame even though i'm 5'11", but the geometry works as a big bmx. Frame is strong but a little flexy compared with my cannondale, could just be the 'feel of steel', but it works. Good frame details like tire clearance (~2.7in), top and downtube gussets, and removeable v-brake mounts. Overall a solid frame at a nice price from a company where you can talk to the guy who designed it.
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Submitted by
Brian
a
from Virginia Date Reviewed: May 26, 2007
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
Good weight, All-Mountain geometry, Relatively inexpensive & good value
Weaknesses:
As someone else stated, I had to file my derailleur side dropout to get the wheel to fit.
Wasn't a big deal, but kind of annoying.
Similar Products Used:
Evil Imperial, Rocky Mountain Elevation, USB Molly Maguire
Bike Setup:
Singlespeed, Fox Talas, Avid Discs
Bottom Line:
I decided to get this bike to be a dedicated all-mountain trail bike, and in that respect it fits the bill perfectly. It's not too heavy but is solidly built. It also has good pedaling geometry while being slack enough to inspire confidence and speed on downhills. I have only had it a short time, but so far I'm having a lot of fun on this bike. I'm 5'11" and bought the 18" frame which fits me just right.
On the down side, the dropout filing was a pretty major irritation. I would have preferred to keep my steel frame under a coat of paint, but it isn't that big of a deal anymore. I would also disagree that this is a frame for serious downhill or dirt jumping.
I'd definitely recommend this frame to others, but buy it because it's a well-rounded trail bike and you won't be disappointed.
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Submitted by
Jim
a Cross Country Rider
from Columbia, MO Date Reviewed: May 7, 2007
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Purchased At:
Straight from on-one
Strengths:
Great price for a relatively light steel hardtail, climbs like a goat and descends like a freight train
Weaknesses:
The creepy inbred mascot on the seattube looks alot like my neighbor's kid
Similar Products Used:
Redline monocog, Several Specialized Epics
Bike Setup:
Sram X0 Rear D and Shifters, XT crank, Fox F100RLC fork, Formula k18's, King/Mavic 819 wheels, Thomson stem and post
Bottom Line:
This bike is fantastic. I built it to have something to ride while I waited on my carbon full suspension. Several rides later I cancelled my order and gave the 456 a permenant place in my garage. With a cheap suspension seatpost, this beast feels very similar to my Specialized Epics on seated uphills, but gives the bomb proof simplicity of a steel hardtail. Top-tubes are long, so my 16" frame has a very long seatpost, but I use this for XC, whereas the adjustability in seat height would still allow the freeride hardtailer some room to move. Overall a great bike, very cool frame design, and never fails to get compliments
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Submitted by
Nils Kristofersson
a Weekend Warrior
from Gothenburg, Sweden Date Reviewed: March 16, 2007
Favorite Trail:
ginger spice
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$1500.00
Purchased At:
Haggs (complete bike)
Strengths:
Nice geometry, handels everything from xc to dh and dirt jumping. Nice looking color=) Quite cheap and from a cool small company!
Weaknesses:
Derailour hanger is not replaceable whitch sucks. The Crankset (whitch might be another story) truvativ stylo has been bugging me from day one, in´t suited for what the frame is intended for.
Similar Products Used:
alumax hardtail
Bike Setup:
sram x7 cockpit, shimano xt hyd brakes, rs revelation forks, truvativ stylo cranks, fsa riser bar, on-one wheels
Bottom Line:
My first "real mountainbike" and I love it! I love to go a bit steeper and take it of drops and jumps and it´s perfect for that but it also rides xc really well. You might want to upgrade the fork to a Pike(?) or something similar.
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Submitted by
David
a Cross Country Rider
from Ireland Date Reviewed: March 15, 2007
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$400.00
Purchased At:
On-line
Strengths:
It's colour, looks like a fantastic skinny tubed old skool xc bike, good value for money, strong, not too heavy. Rides really well even up-hill with a 6 inch fork fully extended, and with your weight on the front will blast downhill, does not have much problem keeping up with mates on 5/6 inch full sussers.
Weaknesses:
It's colour, the frame may be steel but the rear triangle still offers a harsh enough ride. The frame arrived with drop-outs which weren't machined properly thus I had to get out a file and finish them off!
Similar Products Used:
Orange Sub-xero on holidays, other bikes Cannondale F500 and Kona Dawg - both of which have taken early retirement.
Bike Setup:
XT chainset, xt hubs, mavic 321's, Nokian tyres, avid juicy 5 brakes 205mm/185 rotors, Marz. AM2 forks 150 mm travel. Raceface collars and cuffs!
Bottom Line:
Look past the colour and you will find a great bike. Mine probably weighs about 30lb, which is heavy enough for a hardtail, but in reality it rides really well, the long top tube makes it a pleasure to hustle up hill and keeps it slightly xc, however when the hills go in the opposite direction there really is no stopping it. May be some quality control issues given the drop-out problems i had, but I may have just been unlucky. Basically if you want an old skool bike to handle just about anything you can throw at this is your bike!
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