Submitted by
derrik
a Weekend Warrior
from syracuse, utah, U.S.
Date Reviewed: June 25, 2008
Strengths: good first bike, i like its weight, pretty light.
Weaknesses: kinda tall. the brakes have broken a couple times and are weird the way they go down the frame, makes it look like they will break a lot... i dont really know though they broke at the end so i guess it was just over braking or something.(dont over brake)
Bottom Line:
good, fun, cool. easy to ride when i want and fun to ride also.
Similar Products Used: friends road bike was a little slower on the takeoff(i think his was a specialized of some kind)
Bike Setup: custom front disc brakes.
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Submitted by
Joe Swenson
a Cross Country Rider
from Minneapolis, MN, USA
Date Reviewed: August 17, 2007
Strengths: Acid Green Metal Flake paint job, turns heads everywhere I go. Super beefy gussets & welds. Genesis geometry. Fox Float R shock
Weaknesses: Some pedal bob due to URT design (im not complaining). A lockout for the shock would be handy
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Got this frame/shock combo for $75 at Penn on a closeout from Trek, cant beat that price since the shock alone was worth 3x that price at the time.. Who knows what Trek was thinking. I built it up with a pretty good group and I ride pretty hard. This bike eats up about anything I can throw at it. I wouldnt do any big drops since the URT likes to buck a lil on rebound , but the frame can definitely take its medicine. Anyone interested in this bike should buy it up, its a looker and people comment on it all the time. Now I just need a pinup girl graphic to go with the name, Level Betty.
Similar Products Used: Giant AC1 & NRS, Fisher Cake1dlx
Bike Setup: 02 Psylo SL fork w/ CC S2 headset, 04 Fox Float R shock, LX/Mavic 251 wheelset w/ Michelin CompSlite tires, 06 LX Crankset/BB, XT ders, XT combo levers, Sram 7.0 Vbrakes
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Joe
a Cross Country Rider
from Minneapolis
Date Reviewed: July 2, 2007
Strengths: INSANE FRAMESET PRICE (Came with 05 Fox Float R shock--$249 msrp)!! Beefy gussets, beefy welds, beefy head tube. Genesis geometry for the win. Sweet Acid Green color. Great mid-level XC ride.
Weaknesses: Some pedal bob as a result of URT design (could be eliminated with a lockout or SPV/Inertia valved shock). No IS disc tabs, only Hayes 22mm.
Bottom Line:
Got this as a closeout frameset through Trek in 04. Cant beat the killer price on this frame/shock. Sweet Color. This bike turns heads EVERYWHERE I go. I'm 6'2" 225lbs riding mostly XC on a X-Small frame (yes I use a long seatpost/stem). No problems, great ride, lots of squish, lots of fun. Wouldn't trade it for anything.
Similar Products Used: Giant AC1, Fisher Cake, Trek Fuel, etc.
Bike Setup: Custom build. 02 psylo sl fork. 06 LX Cranks/bb. Mavic 595/LX wheelset. XT der/shifters/levers/cassette. Sram 7.0 v-brakes. Fox Float R rear shock. bontrager/icon seatpost/stem/bar. 27 lbs.
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Submitted by
Codyody
a Racer
from Henderson, NV, USA
Date Reviewed: August 18, 2006
Strengths: Lightweight frame, Smooth while sitting down
Weaknesses: Frame isnt strong
Bottom Line:
Its good for XC and its decent for X-Tended DH and freeriding. Ive changed the setup 3 times so far and its in the shop now getting new forks and all that stuff but it would be best to just go get a new frame. good entry level XC or casual freeride. As a jump bike out at Bootleg Canyon and up at Brian Head, it hasn't failed me.... yet
Similar Products Used: Kona, GT, Specialized similar XC bikes
Bike Setup: Gary Fisher Level Betty SE frame, j2 forks, sid shock, big box double wall wheels, maxxis tires, all the rest is azonic components and parts
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Submitted by
Jo Mamma
a Downhiller
from CO
Date Reviewed: December 10, 2001
Weaknesses: Not really a downhill bike. I broke the frame on the bottom side close to the headset.
Bottom Line:
I've had a Betty for about a year and had lots of fun with it, but it broke. I sent it back to Fisher and they couldn't replace it, but then they said they found one in the basement. It took them a month before they sent one back, with a new paint job. I asked for the Kawasaki green, but got some really strange green-brown color. It turn out to be a Joshua in deguise, I was pissed. I really like having the Betty, but it just doesn't compare to a real DH bike. I have a new Santa Cruz Super 8, and it just blows it away, that's for sure. I would recommend this bike for a beginner that doesn't really hit up the big trails.
Submitted by
Rodrigo Gonzalez
a Downhiller
from Mexico City
Date Reviewed: June 11, 2001
Strengths: Weight, XC Geometry, price.
Weaknesses: Rear suspension sucks for Downhilling (see Matt´s explanation), it only works well when you are seated.
Bottom Line:
This frame works well for FR and XC, don´t use this frame for DH because if you are doing real DH you can notice that rear suspension simply doesn´t works when you stand up. I have ordered a Stratos Helix Expert for my Fisher because my RS Super Deluxe exploded while doing a 10 feet drop-off, I think this happened thanks to the simple rear linkage and the poor quality of the rear shock. As soon as i receive my new shock, I am going to sell this frame and get a a SC Bullit.
I don't weight 200 pounds, but I'm no weasel. This bike cannot be used as a DH machine. It has a Unified rear triangle design which means when you take your weight off of the seat by standing up the Rear suspension stops being active. Who rides DH sat down? As for 7.5 inches? Must be a looong shock and a steep Head angle! As an entry level XC bike its not bad. As a DH machine its as much use as a Durex machine in the Vatican Judging by your previous reviews it looks like you have only ever ridden Fishers so how can you compare it against anything else? By putting a larger rear shock on the bike you will alter the geometry completely and make it ride like a happy shopper. I tried it on mine, even with machined shorter shock mounts its still pants. The problem with this review system is that only people who love the product can be bothered to review it, those who think its OK, or even rubbish generally don't take the time. Its a shame that Keith and Ching (See below) seem to have ruined the rating anyway. I have given it a 3 so as not to affect the average, but I don't think its worth more than 1. I'm not having a go at you, but when I read some reviews saying that its a great DH machine I have to say something. I'd be gutted if I bought the bike on the strength of some of these reviews and then tried to use it as a FR/DH machine. I would be well dissapointed with its performance. Use this bike for XC and paper fetching. Never OVER estimate a fisher, and at least try something else as well. Take it easy Kid, its not personal.
well, i would just like to say, for all of you saying it is rubbish, GET LOST!!! you probably weigh 200 lbs, and that is why it is breaking... i weigh 126 and the bike is pefect i know of anohter small guy who 7.5 inch travel out of a joshua... these are sweet bikes, tale the time, set them up, !!! they are good bikes, i am just backing up the rating!
Weaknesses: geometry isnt suited to a huge phat shock
Bottom Line:
Lovely bike. Feels perfect and so smooth over the rough stuff. I've been riding this thing for some time now and as well as a versatile cross country bike, its proven itself as a downhill weapon.
This bike is rubbish. It cannot be used as a DH machine. It has a URT suspension design for a start. I have Snapped 2 on the UK's little DH courses. You would be better off with a Quality Hard tail. The only good thing is Fisher's 5 year Frame Warranty. Just as well, I needed it. Sorry to gripe, but the truth must be known. Its pants. (Well, its not bad as a XC machine, but thats it) Soz. I'd like to give it 0 chili's, but I can't.
Similar Products Used: San Andreas, Trek Y5, Heckler, Bullit
Bike Setup: RST Hi5's, Magura's, XT blah......
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Submitted by
Craig Stishenko
a Downhiller
from Kelowna, BC, Canada
Date Reviewed: April 6, 2001
Strengths: Well here is my spring posting on this bike! This has gotta be on of the sweetest bikes for the money!! It is light and strong! I Now have a DH/Urban/Freeride bike that weighs 29 pounds!!!
Weaknesses: the swingarm is a little weak, i think i bent it... i would like to see a phatty swing arm like a marin quake 9.0 (00's)
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This is a killer bike for anyone weighing 0-135 pounds. It is a mini Dh bike for a smaller person. I am only 15, and this bike is prefect for me. This bike turns into the nicest small DH/DS/Urban/Freeride bike! It can take huge hits and the genesis suspension with a large rear shock eats it up! I have personnally taken many large drops that would have killed other bikes of the present. With my 5.2 inch drop off in the front and 6.5 inch superdeluxe and new brackets in the rear, i can huck some phat S#it. I found a guy on here that got 7.5 inch travel out of his joshua and i want to know how he did it. These bikes turn into the nice do everything bikes!!! I think once i grow out of this one i am gonna sell just the frame and get a new frame size!!! I am Hooked on Fisher!! it is just sad that they do not make a real good freeride bike anymore!! I think this bike with a much larger swingarm would kick some serious ass because the way it is i can out jump, out drop, and out DH almost anything within the same travel range. i know i could use a larger rear shock but that is to come!!! But for now i will have to say peace out, and never underestimate a FISHER!!!
Similar Products Used: I have tried many Joshua's, many setups, many level betty's many setups.
Bike Setup: Ok here it is! I have the betty with not too much stock. I am running z.1 drop off's, super deluxe rear shock, FSA orbit headset, titus stem(need azonic), Bontager crow bars, oury grips, LX drive train, FSA cranks, raceface bb, spinergy wheels(perfect for my weight), bontrager post, serfas ARC kevalr seat, Irc elgato 2.25 rear tire, Ninja DH 2.65 front tire, shimano hubs, roox chain cat, and then smallest trails ring i could find...
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Submitted by
Craig
a Downhiller
from kelowna, b.c. canada
Date Reviewed: January 3, 2001
Strengths: Man This bike takes what ever you give it with ease!! I am only 15 and this bike is perfect for me, like my freind said below, this is like a baby down hiller, love the frame, BEEFY A LA COW!!! can we say MOOOOOOOO!!!
Weaknesses: i wiped the rear bushings lately and they are hard to get... other than that its all good...
Bottom Line:
Man this is the sweetest bike i swear!!!!! for the money you can't get a better bike!!!! even words can barely explain it!!!!!!!!! look 4 anohter review come spring time!!!!
Similar Products Used: bin there done that tried em all
Bike Setup: betty, with a few modifications, baby downhill strap ons, like upgraded judy xl fork, chain tensioners, bontager crow bars!!! (best $50 spent) serfas seat, irc tires, spinergy spox wheels, F@ck u name it its got it!!! oh don't forget the SUPER DELUXE REAR SHOCK rated at 6 inch!!!
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Submitted by
Jesse
a Downhiller
from Kelowna,B.C,Canada
Date Reviewed: January 3, 2001
Strengths: beefed frame lookes like a babydownhiller on steroids good travel only one in town
Weaknesses: lame forks
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This is a wicked bike it looks soooo rad usally i dont like pedeling around big squishes but this one feels really nice, its very quick and agile!! defently takes what you dish out!!! cant say any more cuz i only rode for a little bit cuz its my friends(his review should be right elow this one)
Similar Products Used: Joshua F4 with Z.1 dropoffs and xt, stuff like that (all decked out for DS)
Bike Setup: good
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Submitted by
CJB
a Weekend Warrior
from Vernon
Date Reviewed: May 10, 2000
Strengths: Bombproof. Beefed-up where it needs to be.
Weaknesses: No particular weaknesses, just not as strong as some of the other bikes I have ridden.
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This bike is good at a lot of things, but great at little. The one area I find the bike to excell is Urban assualt riding, or anything involving large drops. The URT design is not as effective as other designs on anything but larger impacts, or if you like to ride everything sitting down (mostly impossible). It seems to be very strong and beefy, while not being overly heavy (although it has to be compared against similar bikes). Overall, a solid bike, but I think there is better.
Bike Setup: Marzocchi Z.1 Dropoffs, Mixed bag of XTR, XT and Icon components.
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Submitted by
Tom
a Downhiller
from Salem NH
Date Reviewed: February 10, 2000
Strengths: Larger rear shock mount on frame. 31.6 mm seat post. Frame rienforcements everywhere.
Weaknesses: Not for hardcore rider. Too xc like for downhilling. Too heavy, long and bio-pacy for xc riding. Jack of all trades, master of none.
Bottom Line:
If you like to sit back and look cool, this is the bike for you. Packs up severely on high speed, bumpy downhill and xc. Swing arm is way too short for downhilling (Pre-genisis was much more plush). As for xc riding, it still has all the urt problems. Shortening the swingarm helped a bit but plushness was rudely sacrificed. Here is a good tip - for downhill riding turn the triangle shaped plates that mount the rear shock to the swingarm upside down, so that the rear of the shock is lower. This will plushen the rear up considerably. May require preloading rear spring 1/2 turn or so. I never put mine back right side up. You won't either.