Weaknesses: i am not really sure about how strong it is
Bottom Line:
well my bigest problem with this frame is the design!!! which stoalen from a lot of other companies!!! the first company who desinged this was mongoose (i am not 100% sure) which for unknown reasons he never really sold any frames of this design... and then came 3 others companies Oryx, Raleigh and azonic who add one more pipe (somewhere in the middle)to change a little bit from the original one... anyway a friend of mine lend it to me for a downhill test ride and as i can see is a nice durable frame who eats everything on his way!!! for this price you can t really get anything better
Similar Products Used: giant THT prototype, specialzed demo 9, santa cruz bullet,drive 8
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evan altfest
a Downhiller
from livingston manor ny
Date Reviewed: March 9, 2008
Strengths: insane frame (survived 40 foot drop, vertical dropouts, nice ability to change geometry. very stiff, handles well
Weaknesses: dent the size of a ping pong ball in rear stay
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survived 2 and a half years of trail abuse and still going strong. make sure you have a chainstay guard (black paint scratches fast) also be aware its easy to change geometry remove 2 screws
Bike Setup: industry 9 dh wheelset, fox 40 rc2, fox dhx 5.0, e.13 chainguide, deity bars and stem, sram x.0 geartrain, sram chain, maxxis tires, truvativ cranks and thats about it
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Scott
a Downhiller
from Mammoth Lakes, CA, USA
Date Reviewed: August 18, 2006
Strengths: The price and its cool lookin, Lots of adjustability but haven't touched it yet
Weaknesses: Bottom out even with 8.5 in of travel
Bottom Line:
Great bike for the price $2135-complete . Rebound screw broke off romic on 3rd day riding. Bottoms out easily. Other than that its a great dh or freeride bike.
Bike Setup: truvativ bars, Hayes hd, azonic rims, boxxer race, e13 chain guide, azonic pedals, romic rear shock
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Matt
a Downhiller
from Olympia, WA. US
Date Reviewed: May 20, 2006
Strengths: - strenght to weight ratio - Romic custom valved rear shock - 150mm x 12mm rear thru axle - adjustability
Weaknesses: The only weakness I can think of is it only comes in one size. I'm about 5'10" and it fits me perfect. I would recommend something bigger for someone over 6'.
Bottom Line:
This is a very strong and durable frame for the money. With the adjustable geometry you can dial it in for your own style whether it be downhill racing or freeriding. The custom valved romic is super smooth and works well on everything. The frame and rear shock combo only weigh 11lbs. so it makes building up a race worthy DH bike pretty easy. Overall compared to the horst link bikes I have owned in the past I honestly can't tell much of a difference in the rear suspension action. The horst link rear ends do have less brake jack but not enough to make much of a difference. The four bar on the eliminator actually feels like it sticks to the ground better than my previous horst linked bikes, you just have to watch your braking a little more in the rough stuff. The bottom line is my bike has a 65 degree head angle, 14 inch bottom bracket height and it only weighs 42 pounds, those numbers just scream downhill racing machine!
Similar Products Used: Azonic recoil, Specialized big hit, Iron horse SGS
Bike Setup: 888 RC 170mm, eight tracks, Kenda blue groove/nevegal, Hope mono 4's, azonic doublewall bars
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ViKInG
a Downhiller
from Cracow, Poland
Date Reviewed: July 28, 2005
Strengths: - geometry is fittnig me perfectly - weight is accurate - suspenssion works in very good way - steering and stability of bike
Weaknesses: - durability of frame - annoying rear disc brake mounts - often after big drops with 8,5" travel 26" wheel is "scratching" seat tube - horizontal dropouts
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It is a very nice downhill machine. 8,5 " of travel is really enough to get smooth through rough terrain and 3 meters drops. I was very proud and happy to ride on it. WAS.... because frame is cracking!!! I'm really dissapionted because i'm not a Bender or pro downhill racer like Gracia, Minaar or Peat. I'm using this bike to complete downhill tracks in moderate way without spending all days in the saddle. And i'm shocked that such frame is cracking between main tube and the element which is used to mount rear shoch. The cracks are 5-8 mm long and i think it's obvious that is a conctruction failure. I really think that it's something wrong when a frame for 1200 $ is cracking after 2 years of not so intense using!!!
Bike Setup: Eliminator frame, Manitou Dorado, Hayes Mag 8", Shimano Lx '98 crankset (yaeh, that's true :D), Shimano Tiagra rear deraulier, point downhill handlebar, 26" Halo combat rims, da bomb hubs, da bomb head set
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Roachcoach
a Downhiller
from Spanish Fork, UT
Date Reviewed: June 19, 2005
Strengths: The price! This frame typically sells for around $400-$600 on the net. Where else can you get 8.5" of travel, and a solid linkage design for that price? Another nice thing is the fact that the rear will accomodate a 3.0" tire, making this an excellent canidate for big hit riding.
Weaknesses: Horizontal dropouts totally suck. Its much easier for the rear wheel to be knocked loose. Even if it loosens a little, it will set the disc off camber and squeek like a pig on crack. Also, you have to remove the rear caliper to get the wheel off. I havent had any problems with the rear wheel hitting the seat since I switched to the 24" set-up.
Bottom Line:
Again, for the money, you really cant beat it. Its a solid linkage design, and aside from the rear wheel issues, its good for great riding. I've throw myself off plenty of things and the bike still runs like a champ. It aint no Demo 9, but for less than a fifth of the price, its close enough!
Similar Products Used: Specialized Bighit expert, Santa Cruz Bullit, KHS Dominatrax
Bike Setup: Azonic frame, stem, handlebars, pedals, cranks, seatpost and seat. Marzocchi Monster T, Sun Doublewides (26" front & 24" rear) Nokian Gazzalodi 3.0's, Hayes 8" Disc, blah, blah, blah...
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Blake Roberts
a Downhiller
from Houston Tx
Date Reviewed: February 24, 2005
Strengths: bombproof, tracks great
Weaknesses: horizontal dropouts
Bottom Line:
Really nice frame for money, i got really lucky, someone i know bought it new then decided he couldent afford to build it up. Wouldent trade it for anything, if you get the chainguide setup right then chain dosent rest on stay
Strengths: Its got 8.5 inches of smooth rear travel, its very strong, very sturdy-stable, FAST, a pretty inexpensive frame but better than most out there. Just get an RC shock and with a few twists you can swich from dh to drops ect. Instills confidence.
Weaknesses: I have never had a problem with the frame itself. I have stripped one hanger, but after 2 weeks of riding with out a chain, i got a new one... hills suck
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This bike keeps up with anything, it can take anything. I was very skeptical before i had it built and ridden it. I didnt think a frame this inexpensive could ride as smooth as this. This bike kicks ass. Get this bike if you are looking for a freeride/dh bike that can be taken anywhere
Similar Products Used: M1, V10, Demo 9, Stinky, Sgs Pro...
Bike Setup: Jr. T, Hayes HFX Mag(one down from the plus)8 inch, full XT 9spd, RaceFace Northshore Dh crank, Azonic A-frame peds, Brooklyn Machine Works seat, Azonic World Force DH bar, Azonic seatpost, Maxxis Highrollers, Evil chainguide, ODI rouge grips, Misc Salsa fittings, Chris King Nothreadset, Fox Vanilla RC, Marzocchi fender... a picture of my bike when it was first built up can be found here - http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/photo/?op=view&image=96048
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Dave Cheadle
a Downhiller
from Macclesfield, England
Date Reviewed: July 26, 2004
Strengths: Black, Black! Looks sweet, with any parts! Excellent for the money! Strong frame and quality shock!
Weaknesses: You have to undo one of the rear caliper bolts to get the rear wheel off, but how often do you need to take the wheel off!?
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Its an amazing ride, i can't really see the point in spending more on a frame because they don't seem to offer much more! (maybe a little lighter and a 12mm tru-axle on the rear) The sus soaks up everything, big and small! I dont see any problems with the spring weight, I weight 160 pounds and do roof drops and never bottomed out! And with the 90 different sus set ups you can really tune it to your spec and riding style.
Bike Setup: XTR, Super T, Azonic bars, stem, seat/post, Hayes, RaceFace Cranks, Mr. Dirt Chainguide w/ MRP rollers, DeeMax, Maxxis
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Sergey Keidar
a Weekend Warrior
from Gan-Yavne, Israel
Date Reviewed: May 3, 2004
Strengths: very strong and smooth suspension, supplied with good unbreakable Vanilla RC rear shock
Weaknesses: only one size, unavailability of 90 frame setups instruction, hard to remove rear wheel, weak at the welding near the headset tube, the frame cracked and divided for two pieces
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my average about1500 miles, most of the time urban riding and rare on singles. After I reached the best bike setup for me and have improved my technical abilities I found a tiny crack at the welding between main lowerframe tube and the headset tube. Despite very carefull riding without drops this crack has separated my frame from the fork and it is clearly seen that the welding of aluminum makes this region very weak and breakable.My local dealer refuses to replace it and I have no idea how to reach the main broken frame part.
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Nick Score
a Downhiller
from Devon, UK
Date Reviewed: February 14, 2004
Strengths: Romic shock works amazingly well ive riden an eliminator without it and it bobs loads but the Romic shock totaly eliminates that when the linkages are set up for progresivness it tracks the ground better than most bikes ive ever riden. doesnt mind being hucked acros 30" road gaps.
Weaknesses: head angle little to steep due to the gay ass junior t fork on the front end lookin forward to getin 888r's on the front. also although the romic is a wicked shock i got a faulty shock and its guna take about 3 weeks for hotlines (uk distibutor) to get it back to me. but the worst thing of all that me and to 2 of my mates (who have coyote dh3's which have exactly the same back end) have found is that the wheel always ends up out of position due to the horizontal dropouts and the fact that my hope bulb hub doesnt reach the washers which are designed to keep it in place.
Bottom Line:
If you like a good value beast of a bike that tracks the ground better than a bike twice its price. If you buy one get it with hte romic rear shock it doesnt cost any more and it totaly emiminates pedal bob. look after it and check the bearings because mine are completly bugered and im lining up some high quality ones to go in it but its guna cost loads.
Strengths: Can take a beating like the best ones. For the money it’s the best one. The new eliminator is close to 2 grand. I hope they mane a lot of modifications because at a thousand it’s an attractive frame, for 2 grand it’s madness.
Weaknesses: First the 90 positions is bull because they all rub somewhere. I found one that suit me and doesn’t rub so it’s ok in my case. The cable set up, I think it’s not for a DH bike. I don’t want to see them because they get in the way. Better to have them go inside the tubes or something. The chain sits on the chain stay too much. If you don’t put something to cover the frame it will eat chunk of it plus the clink noise that drives me crazy. If you have the chance to get the 5th element shock get it. I weight around 65k that is like 150lbs I think and I all ready had to get my fox shock serviced because it was leaking oil. It’s doing fine now can’t use the compression all the way or it will break. In order to remove the rear tire you have to get the caliper off the frame. I find it to be a pain on the butt. There is nothing seriously wrong with the bike. You have to play with the bike in order to get it to the way you feel comfortable that is all.
Bottom Line:
Good buy for the money. Put a nice fork up front like a shiver and hold on tight because you are going to bomb down the hill OX style.
Strengths: nice frame and everything seemed to work well. good welds etc.
Weaknesses: the first thing that i noticed was that i had to run a 38 tooth chainring cos my 44 was ripping chunks out of the frame. another problem is that the chain runs on the chainstays and becaus the b shell is soo wide i cant use any spacers to take my cranks out a little cos the chains at such a bad angle already.but the thing that really pissed me off was that you have to remove the caliper to get the rear wheel off and that theres loads of travel options that dont even work.
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its a great frame, though the only way i find it comfortable is in full travel which means i had change a lot of the bike so it works. big problem is that fact that there seems to be no testing on the frame atall cos theres so many faults and im not too sure if the desigh hasnt just been taken off some other company (check oryx bikes, i think)asides from that its ok but youll have to sort some of it out yourself which i think is a bit poor of azonic
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