You've been invited on a ride. You don't know the trail. You don't know
the people. You're not even sure where the ride is. Will it be a
hammerfest? Will they take you on the most technical ride you've ever done?
Who Cares! You're on a Moto-Lite. It's the bike you've been waiting for.
Submitted by
e0772yaz
a Racer
from glendale, az usa Date Reviewed: August 7, 2009
Favorite Trail:
national trail at south mountain
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Price Paid:
$2100.00
Purchased At:
javelina cycles in p
Strengths:
titus motolite climbs great and decents is super smooth and has good control.. nice all-around bike with the right tire set-up you can ride anywhere.. with foxRP23 set up on rear suspension makes even better....
Weaknesses:
paint coating could be better, i had some paint chips on the bottom bracket tube and some on the down tube in just a couple of months.. but then again i ride alot so i guess thats just what happens..
Similar Products Used:
felt virtue, santa cruz heckler, specialized stumpjumper.
Bike Setup:
x.o and xtr drive train, fox vanilla rlc front fork and RP23 rear shock. carbon bar and seat post. sdg seat. race face atlas cranks and hope mono6 brakes with dt swiss wheels 240hubs.. tires are always differant from maxxis to swabble and kendas, realy depends on where i ride at.
Bottom Line:
bottom line is it rides awsome with the right set-up and the right tires makes a huge differance...
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Submitted by
henjared
a Cross Country Rider
from Boise Date Reviewed: July 15, 2009
Favorite Trail:
Hard Guy
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1300.00
Purchased At:
Bobs bikes
Strengths:
Well, after a while on the bike I have changed my mind. At first I loved it. But know I have had time to get it on many trails. I have to say it does climb really well, but on the rockey downs it sucks. I have a lot of money in this bike and I am going to lose a lot when it sells. But I hope it sells fast becuse I want a new bike A.S.A.P.
The bike ramps up in the rocks and I have spent plenty of time playing with the shock, nothing can fix this. I guess that is what I get for getting a bike with a 20 year old F.S.R. suspention on it. Know that I work at a bike shope I get to take out different demo bikes all the time, and their are so many bikes that can climb better and go down hill better. the real downer of this bike is at 27.5lbs built up with a good spek list is that is had the geomeitry of a cross country bike. I I wanted that I would of bough the racer X. For the 27.5 lbs I can run a bike that has 6in of travel with a much newer suspention desing on it. The worst thing to happen to Titus was for the founder Chris Cocalus to sell it. But I guess that is why Pivot is doing so well with the new D.W. link suspention desing.
So long storie short Titus make a bike with somting new on it. Not a 20 year old desing.
And yes I know I cant spell. But I shure ass hell can ride.
Weaknesses:
Suspension desing ramps up in the rocks. The 5in feels like a bad 4in.
Similar Products Used:
Titus Loco-Moto single pivot.
Bike Setup:
Fox Talas fork, Race Face crak, xo drive train and shifters. Mavick Cross Mas S.L. wheel set, and avid Juicy 7 disc.
Bottom Line:
Bottom line it is the last Titus I buy, unless they change the suspention they are using.
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Submitted by
770nbp
a Cross Country Rider
from Atlanta Date Reviewed: April 17, 2009
Favorite Trail:
Pinhotti
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Purchased At:
Ebay
Strengths:
Horst link rear, forgiving geometry, stable feel at speed and in the ruff chatter, decent weight, "do it all" rig, climbs pretty well, decends very well, maneuverable for 5 incher, super fun bike to ride and confidence inspiring.
Weaknesses:
cables cut the paint after 1 ride (thin paint). square hits on the rear end effect the suspension negatively (can come to dead stop).
Similar Products Used:
Racer X 100, Ventana Saltamontes, Santa Cruz Blur, Specialized Epic, Pivot Mach IV, Pivot Mach V
Bike Setup:
Fox Vanilla 140 RLC Fork, XTR 960 Crank, Chris King/Sun Rhynolite Wheelset, King Headset, X-9 Shifters and Derailuers, Thomson Stem and Seat Post, 1 inch Monkey Lite Riser Bar, Fox RP2 Rear Shock
Bottom Line:
I wanted a do anything bike that wasnt going to break the bank. Had most of the build kit allready so I was shopping frame only. Tried several bikes as demos and through my riding buddies. I have also owned all the bikes I listed above except for the Pivot Mach V (did demo it). I found the Racer X and the Moto Lite to be the most fun, stable and confidence inspiring rides. I guess I'm just a Horst Link guy.
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Submitted by
Jared
a Cross Country Rider
from Boise, Idaho, U.S.A. Date Reviewed: March 27, 2009
Favorite Trail:
Bob's trail.
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1300.00
Purchased At:
Bob's Bikes in Boise
Strengths:
This one of the best trail bikes I have been on. It feel great on the up's and downs
Weaknesses:
A little heavy but hey it is a trail bike
Similar Products Used:
Titus Loco Moto
Bike Setup:
Fox Talis fok, Race Face evolve crak, Mavic Cross Max SL Wheels, Tomson stem and seat post, Sram X.0 Drive train.
Bottom Line:
Bottom line, my Titus befor this had 20,000 miles on it I bought it 2002 it was the best bike I had untill I rode the Moto lite, I did have a Blure in between the 2 and this bike is way better. It clims better and with 5in of travil it goes down hill way better.
Yes I know I cant spell,but I can ride.
Thanks again Titus for making some great bikes.
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Submitted by
elbikobandito
a Weekend Warrior
from Lehigh Valley PA Date Reviewed: March 10, 2009
Favorite Trail:
Bear Creek
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1995.00
Purchased At:
RBikes.com
Strengths:
Light, Durable, Fun
Weaknesses:
Paint Job could have a little mor Bling!
Similar Products Used:
Cannondale, Giant Trance, Specialized Stumpy
Bike Setup:
X.9 all around, Fox Talas/RP2, Mavic Wheels
Bottom Line:
I have owned and ridden alot of bikes (I get a new one every year...my wife hates it!). Anyhow, this is by far the best all-around bike I've ever owned. It climbs well (even I can climb & I weigh in at over 200lbs.)It goes downhill like crazy, and it doesn't blink at the technical stuff. Were I ride in PA there are lots of rocks (big ones, little ones...even medium ones). The bike's suspension is so balanced that stuff I used to steer around and take the easy line, I now go right up the gut. I love this bike! If you are going to own just one bike (Wow, how silly does that sound?!?)...this is it!
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Submitted by
washpark
a Cross Country Rider
from Park City, UT, USA Date Reviewed: February 25, 2009
Favorite Trail:
Wasatch Crest
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$1400.00
Purchased At:
LBS
Strengths:
Handles great on tight single track, rough rocky trails, and slick rock. Easy setup. Build, set sag, ride.
Weaknesses:
Graphics on rear triangle don't match front.
Similar Products Used:
Rocky Mountain Element Race, Specialized
Bike Setup:
Reba, Fox RP23 shock, Thomson Post and Stem, Mavic Crosstrails, XT 770 Shifter/Brake, XT Shadow rear derailleur, XT front, XT cranks, SRAM chain and cassette, Panracer FireXCPro UST 2.1, Shimano 959 pedals
Bottom Line:
Very pleased with new ride. Looked at Turner, Intense, Ventana, Santa Cruz, and Yeti. Bought because of deal, MTBR ratings and comments, and friend's 2007.
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Submitted by
pitsqrd
a Weekend Warrior
from San Diego Date Reviewed: February 18, 2009
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2300.00
Purchased At:
BikerBob
Strengths:
Responsiveness, lightweight, excellent travel and balance (once you get the suspension dialed in, comfortable.
Weaknesses:
Not really a weakness but suspension setup is important to experience full potential of the bike. Knowing your preferences and riding style helps simplify set up.
Similar Products Used:
Fisher Hoo Koo e Koo, Marin Team Ti hard tail, Santa Cruz Blur
Coming off the BLUR from a few years ago, I did not realize how good a full suspension could be. I liked the BLUR but for what I paid for all the light components and bling, I could not keep the rear tire from slipping or front end from becoming too light on climbs no matter what I did. Perhaps the bike size was not correct, but it just was not as confidence inspriing as the Titus ML.
The ML seems to be a much more capable mount, it handles high speed descents and slow climbs better. It does not feel twichey but is not slow to respond either. After I achieved the suspension set up I wanted, the bike is very predictable, stable and let's me go way faster than I probably should be going.
I bought this bike after lots of email and discussion with BikerBob. If you have not spoken with BikerBob and are considering a Titus or not settled on a particular bike, do yourself a favor and call him. Read all other reviews related to Titus and BikerBob and if not convinced by all the good feedback, just call him to find out for yourself. I wont overstate the fair deal I received from Bob, but I have not seen a better value for the configuration I purchased in any store or online site.
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Submitted by
cupton
a Weekend Warrior
from Missouri Date Reviewed: January 7, 2009
Favorite Trail:
Monarch Pass
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Strengths:
Compliant suspension, handling, workmenship, carbon stays and rocker
Weaknesses:
Couldn't get the RP23 to dial in. Changed to a DHX 5.0 coil and all is well.
Similar Products Used:
Intense Tracer, Lenz Lumberjack, Versus Blitz 1, Versus Blitz 2.
Bike Setup:
Switch beteewn a RS Lyrik and Pike, Evolve DH crankset 26/36, DHX 5.0 coil, Straitline pedals, Ti bar end caps and bashring, Mavic SX 20mm front and ST rear wheel, XO shifters and rear D, Juicy 7 brakes, Syncros stem and carbon bar, King headset
Bottom Line:
At first I did not like this bike. I could not seem to get the RP23 dialed in. When I set proper sag the suspension felt harsh, if I ran excessive sag I bottomed out. I asked Titus for a suggested rear coil shock and spring weight and all they would say was the frame was designed around the RP23 and would not suggest a coil over. I was ready to sell it. But I bought a DHX 5.0 and what a difference it made. Titus you are making a mistake by steering people away from this setup.
This is a super fun bike. It climbs well and goes downhill over the roughest stuff with ease. And corners great at high speed. I run a 2-step Lyrik on it when I get out to more DH trails but usually I run a Pike. Both forks feel right at home on the front end. Mine has the carbon stays and rocker, which make me nervous. But they have held up well. I ride mostly aggressive trail and some XC with this bike, keeping under 3 foot drops and it does great. I use my Versus for bigger stuff.
It's hard to explain, but on the uphills and the flats this bike feels like a XC rig, but once it is pointed downhill it just soaks up about anything in it's way. It's just a freak'n fun bike.
Once I put the DHX on this bike I can not say one bad thing about it. Do yourself a favor and buy one..
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Submitted by
ggg
a Racer
from Ottawa, ON Canada Date Reviewed: November 24, 2008
This bike is pretty comfortable in the saddle. Excellent in technical trails and loves swoopy singletrack. A very solid ride hold the line when rough.
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Submitted by
AnthonyA
a Weekend Warrior
from North Jersey Date Reviewed: October 30, 2008
Favorite Trail:
Mills/Ringwood
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$3000.00
Purchased At:
Biker Bob
Strengths:
It is relatively light for a 5" travel bike. The bike is very stiff and transfers power very well. Great all around rig!
Weaknesses:
Paint ! I have a 2008 Motolite in the powdercoat Mako grey. So far I feel that the paint chips way to easy! I thought being powdercoated it will be much more durable. When I say very easy I mean very easy!
Fox Talas RLC, XT CRANKS, SRAM X9 DRIVETRAIN, DT SWISS WHEELS AND HUBS.
Bottom Line:
Like said before if you were only to have one bike this is it!!! I did alot of research before spending the cash on this bike and feel the bike was worth it. If I didn't know it had 5" of travel I swear I was on a 4" travel bike. The bike climbs well and is very nimble. The suspension works great and is very balanced. My only complait is the paint and how easily it chips! I don't know what it's gonna look like after a couple of years. But, it's a moutain bike and I'm n0t looking at the paint when I'm bombing down or climbing up a trail!!! Biker Bob was great to work with and I feel gave me a good deal.
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Submitted by
leavin work to ride
a Cross Country Rider
from elkridge md usa Date Reviewed: October 3, 2008
Favorite Trail:
avalon
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$3000.00
Purchased At:
race pace ellicott c
Strengths:
This bike can ride thru or over anything on the trail.Areas I used to consider technical I am now getting thru with ease ,large rocks may as well be pebbles .This bike just eats up the trail.My speed and confidence as a rider has improved more than I ever thought possible I have never felt more in control while riding as I do on my new Titus.Do yourself a favor and test ride one before you buy your next bike.
Weaknesses:
none
Similar Products Used:
specialized fsr stumpjumper
Bike Setup:
fox talas , sram x9, juicy seven brakes,
Bottom Line:
If you can only have one bike this has to be the one. I cant believe there is a better all around bike out there.I was concerned about spending this much money on a bike but its worth every penny!
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Submitted by
rockhopperbiking
a Cross Country Rider
from Wausau, Wi. USA Date Reviewed: October 2, 2008
Favorite Trail:
Nine Mile "the swamp"
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$1600.00
Purchased At:
Bob's Bicycles
Strengths:
The geometry and the way it fits; suspension and smoothness
Weaknesses:
I have not found one
Similar Products Used:
Specialized Rockhopper; Motobecane Phantom; Test drove several including Specialized Epic and Giant XTC
Bike Setup:
Answer Protype handle bar; Avid Ultimate brake levers with BB7's; XTR rapid rise shifter and deraileurs; Fox Talas RLC 140 shock;ODI lock in grips; Chris King wheel set with disc on Mavic 717 rims; Chris King Headset; Shimano XTR crank set with XTR pedals; Thompson Stem and Easton Carbon seat post; Fox RP23 rear suspension; Sram hollow pin chain
Bottom Line:
I do not know a whole lot of technical terms about bikes and the terms that refer to the parts of biking for that matter, I just do it. I build them with my son (he is the real mechanic) and we ride them. So it is not easy for me to talk about them but I had to write about this one because it is truthfully the best ride on a trail bike that I have ever experienced. Everything from every rock pile that is negotiated to every crash (I am old and clumsy...that is not the bike's fault) you just keep murmuring "WOW". I rode with experts and they get on my saddle and say the same thing "WOW". The expert one speed guys are behind me saying "We just rode through that and while my eyes were rattling out of their sockets, I look ahead of me (of course) and there is Jim Pedalling through it sitting down like the rocks aren't even there". And that pretty much sums it up.
Oh sure, you can say that the components of this bike are the resons for its control and they are, but you still need a well engineered and finally machined frame to do just that, FRAME, all of it. Enhance your cofidence in the tricky (lets say "technical" to impress my son) parts of the ride with a firm expertly conceived foundation. Titus got it done here and all for a sweet dollar amount. Of course working with the finest Bike Shop in America sure did not hurt (Bob's Bicycles, you guys rock....thanks Bryant again for all you did)because you need people who know what they are doing along with sweet customer service to get on the right start. This frame seems to have the parts all in the right places. All the way to the stuff that some do not pay attention to like the cable routings; the finish of the frame; the machining of the threads in the bottom bracket and the head tube and the superior welds in the connecting points.Bob's paid attention to the details of machining the head tube and brake stays to help me out on the installation. We won't even mention the sealed bearings that are in the pivots along with the fine attention to weight reduction without sacrificing strength such as the the carbon main pivot bracket and seat stays. When I am riding this frame it does not even let out a whisper. The only bad part about that is the wild animals do not hear me coming. Which brings me to the "crash". I have picked this bike up off of rocks with grimaces in my face expecting the worse (not to mention the screaming pain). I have read in previous reviews here about Titus "scrimping" on the paint finish so I was fully expecting to sacrifice the look for the ride, especially for when it came to picking it up. Well folks, I have had a couple and I have literally taken a magnifying glass to the anodized Grey finish on this frame to find the scratch or maybe a dent. There was nothing.....notta.....zero. Granted I have not had the end over yet that pogo sticks your bike into the air (like I said, I am old and clumsy)but I have never been more confident in a bike ride to feel that it will come out of it looking great.
Go ahead and do yourself a favor, find a Titus shop or just save a lot of time and call Bob's and talk to Bryant. If you can not take the word of the folks that are providing the most reviews with the highest marks in this setting, then find a way to test ride one of these and then get out your wallet. Then get ready for pleasure on two wheels. Period. Exclamation! Do it......done
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Submitted by
Bean
a Weekend Warrior
from Portland,OR, USA Date Reviewed: September 29, 2008
Favorite Trail:
south side
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Purchased At:
Cyclepath
Strengths:
This bike with one exception did everything well, except for climbing where the front end wanted to lift up.
Weaknesses:
The fact that it's gone, most likely stolen by druggies, the lowest form of life imaginable!
Similar Products Used:
None
Bike Setup:
Probably in pieces now in some meth house...
Bottom Line:
Definitely buy one you will enjoy it and most important of all keep it locked at all times! I wish I had...
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Submitted by
wsharp
a Cross Country Rider
from Upper Peninsula, MI Date Reviewed: September 12, 2008
Favorite Trail:
Copper Harbor, MI
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$2300.00
Purchased At:
Biker Bob
Strengths:
Stability, smoothness
Weaknesses:
none yet
Similar Products Used:
Trek Fuel 90 WSD
Bike Setup:
Sram 7 and 9, Fox Talus fork
Bottom Line:
I love this bike!!! It is one of the very few FS bikes that fit small riders. I am a 5'1" woman and this bike fits great. It looks big but rides small. It is soooo stable compared to my old Fuel-feels like my weight is much better distributed over the frame. I used to feel like I was always in danger of going over the bars. I'm not used to having so much travel in the front but so far I'm loving it. Biker Bob was great to work with-he gave great advice and was flexible with what went on it. I'd recommend this for all the small women who are frustrated with the lack of choices out there. It might be slightly more $$ but what you end up with is such a better bike. I'll write another review after it gets more miles.
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Submitted by
Mtn Sport Dog
a Weekend Warrior
from Colorado Springs, Co usa Date Reviewed: August 14, 2008
Favorite Trail:
Pipe Line
Duration Product Used:
Tested or demo'ed only
Price Paid:
$2500.00
Purchased At:
The Colorado Cyclist
Strengths:
Great Suspension at a great price
Weaknesses:
Could be lighter
Similar Products Used:
Santa Cruz Blur LT
Bike Setup:
Full XT W/ Fox
Bottom Line:
I just walked into the Colorado Cyclist store. They have the Titus ML-1 / XT bike for 2500 bucks. The sales guy ryan? said that they would be hitting the catalog soon / web now. Guess they bought-um special from Titus. I rode the thing around and it rides like any great FSR suspension design. I have a Blur LT (old style) and this bike rides really sweet. Gotta ask the wifey if I can have one cuz it time to upgrade and the ML-1 is the real deal>
Bicycling and MBA love the thing.
Follow-up: My woman gave me the OK!!!
Stay tuned-
dog-
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Submitted by
mansky4343
a Cross Country Rider
from Jackson, WY Date Reviewed: July 28, 2008
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$2200.00
Purchased At:
Biker Bob
Strengths:
Overall value, versatility
Similar Products Used:
Specialized Rockhopper- First bike; hardtail
Bike Setup:
Fox Talus Suspension, Sram X7, Juicy 7 hydraulic brakes
Bottom Line:
I recently moved to Jackson WY from the Midwest and wanted to purchase my first full suspension bike. Being into mountain biking for only one year, I hadn't heard of Titus until Biker Bob showed it to me.
I have ridden it in Jackson for approximately two weeks and have been very satisfied with all aspects. I think the bike's main strength is its versatility to do both climbing and downhill riding. The bike has been light enough for me to do some extremely long and steep climbs, however, I have been most impressed with the bike's performance on the downhill sections.
The frame and rear triangle look and feel strong. The bike's solid frame and suspension absolutely eats up all rocks and stumps. I have ridden it downhill about ten times and gain new confidence on each ride. Cornering is also excellent; when I am riding singletrack I can ride hard into and out of corners and trust the bike's excellent responsiveness. I have taken the bike on some extremely steep and technical downhill sections near Jackson and have almost always been able to do all sections.
This bike is a great buy if you want a solid bike that can do both climbing and downhill. Also, its cool to have a Titus when 90% of people around you ride Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, etc.
Also, it was nice working with Biker Bob. He gave me a good price, let me build the bike alongside him taking the time to give me a custom setup. In the process, I learned a lot about how the bike worked and gained a greater appreciation for my purchase.
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Submitted by
BigBull
a Weekend Warrior
from Nor Cal Date Reviewed: July 10, 2008
Favorite Trail:
Mr. Toad, Downieville
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Purchased At:
Joyride, UT
Strengths:
versatile, shifts prefectly, great components and value for complete 'boutique' bike
Weaknesses:
Too versatile? not the strongest on either clibing or downhill in the similar category.
Similar Products Used:
Owned: 03 Sugar, 04 IR MK3, 05 SC Blur, 06 Commencal Meta 5.5
Bike Setup:
Complete ML, Fox 140 talas, rp2. Sram X7
Bottom Line:
Motolite is a great ‘do it all’ trail bike for someone looking to keep just ONE full suspension ride in his stable (along with another SS hardtail would be nice). However if you have multiple FS bikes, Motolite’s versatile characteristic might be its own drawback. It never felt as fast and effortless as my 03 Sugar, which is 26lb, steep head angle XC machine, nor as plush as Commencal Meta 5.5, which provide better downhill stability. The lack of plushness might be due to small size ML frame that I got, but I have not feel the complete 5 inches of rear travel yet, the Fox RP2 works good in platform setting but bottom out too quickly in open setting with 25% sag. ML excels other two bikes on the other end though, just a perfect blend of the uphill and downhill abilities.
Motolite climbs good, but adequate effort to keep the wheel down and straight is required.
It is a great bike overall and I definitely love to take it out to most of the trails. My dilemma is whether I should keep the other two bikes or just this one, if you are trying to ‘add’ bike to your collection this is something to consider.
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Submitted by
rpark
a Weekend Warrior
from Greenville,SC,USA Date Reviewed: June 26, 2008
Favorite Trail:
Dupont
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Purchased At:
Biker Bob
Strengths:
My first Full suspension bike and I have liked everything about Titus except items noted below
Weaknesses:
Carbon Seat Post had some issues and Biker Bob Swapped it for Thompson no question asked. Juicy sevens squeel alot
Similar Products Used:
Stumpjumper FSR
Bike Setup:
Fox rp23, Fox Talus, sram x9, panracer, juicy 7
Bottom Line:
Love my Titus and main reason I bought it was the reviews here, and what a great dealer Biker Bob is to work with.
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Submitted by
Jeff
a Cross Country Rider
from Springfield, VA USA Date Reviewed: April 27, 2008
Favorite Trail:
Wakefield
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$2250.00
Purchased At:
Biker Bob
Strengths:
Balanced handling and very supple suspension action. Fairly light at under 28 lbs for a large-framed full susp bike.
Weaknesses:
Suspension was a little fiddly to set up at first, but it works quite well when you hit the sweet spot. Avid brakes are pretty noisy most of the time. Seems to be a common complaint. (Yes, the pads have been replaced and the calipers adjusted per Avid's recommendations) They do stop well though. Don't know if Hayes would be any better.
Large 2007 Titus Moto-lite II, Sram X-9 shifters and rear derlr, XT fr derlr and cranks, WTB bars and stem, Maxm seat and carbon post, DT Swiss hubs and X455 rims, Hutchinson Python Air-Lights, Fox Talas fork and RP23 shock , Avid Juicy 7 brakes
Bottom Line:
I'm just under 6 feet, 180 lbs. I ride singletrack and hills mostly with plans for a couple 12-24 hour AR's this summer. I've kept the bike in the 4-inch travel mode so far and it really rocks! One word to describe it is "plush." That doesn't mean I'm losing power on hills though. It climbs very well. Pedal bob is virtually non-existent unless I'm standing up and being extremely sloppy. But even so, I keep forgetting to flip the pro-pedal lever on because it climbs so well in the open position. It sucks up all the tree roots and rock ledges I climb up and just maintains traction. And I still have another inch of travel to play with if I want to! Cornering is just amazing. It sticks in the corners rather than skating or skipping to the outside of the turn. On the few occasions I've had the tires break traction while cornering they did so in such a progressive manner I just rode it through the corner ever so slightly sliding both tires. I guess the other phrase to describe this bike is that it just has "great feel." It is so predictable and communicative that you just trust it as you ride. And that one factor above all else has made me a faster rider. I'm less fatigued after riding too. This bike really has exceeded my expectations. Let me take just a second to put a plug in for biker Bob too. He worked with me on many e-mails and telephone calls to get just what I wanted at a very fair price. If you are thinking of a new or even a previously demoed bike, you owe it to yourself to check with Bob.
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Submitted by
Dave
a
from Seattle, WA, USA Date Reviewed: April 21, 2008
Favorite Trail:
tiger
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
bikerbob
Strengths:
great in tight corners, even with a small frame. pretty light setup at a good price point. easy to toss around. little bob with hard pedaling
Weaknesses:
dunno yet...
Similar Products Used:
big change from my old hardtail...
Bike Setup:
fox rp23, talas rlc, XT
Bottom Line:
Great, forgiving ride. Looking forward to some more time in the saddle.
Appreciate the great service from Biker Bob in the setup and arrived in great shape.
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Submitted by
Charlie Fox
a Cross Country Rider
from Auburn, CA, USA Date Reviewed: April 3, 2008
Favorite Trail:
Salmon Falls w/ Mickey
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Strengths:
Light weight for a full 5"+ travel bike, rails on the downhill, climbs well when locked down in front, prestige of riding a Titus, so far seems very well built, Horst link provides a smooth ride that really sucks up bumps, yet climbs great even when unlocked with pro-pedal shock. Carbon seat stay is sweet - light yet stiff. Best of all worlds...
Weaknesses:
Anodized finish seems to scratch easier then I would like.
Similar Products Used:
Last sled was Ventana El Saltamonte
Bike Setup:
Moto Lite ll frame, Fox Talas 32 140mm fork, RP 23 shock, XT drivetrain, Avid Juicy 7 brakes, Mavic Crossmax XL wheels, Easton Monkey Lite bars. 28 lbs with light UST tires.
Bottom Line:
Great do everything bike. High center of gravity and long wheelbase will affect you climbing if your speed diminishes to a crawl, but Talas helps with that immensely. Fun bike to ride on all trails in all conditions. If you're looking for an all Mt. bike this is your sled, though I hope to ride the Ventana El Ciclon sometime soon to compare.
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Submitted by
Anand
a
from Lansdale, PA Date Reviewed: March 27, 2008
Favorite Trail:
all of them
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Purchased At:
bikerbob
Strengths:
Balance, stiffness, feel, little or no peddle feedback, loves power.
Weaknesses:
A little finicky to set up. Loves power.
Similar Products Used:
I rode a modified 1998 FSR for years. Demoed a Blut LT, FSR and Iron Horse DW bike before this.
Bike Setup:
Large MLII with a 2007 Talas RLC, RP23, X-9 shifters, XT cranks, 819 rims with XT hubs, 2.35 Nevegal up front with Stans and a 2.1 Maxxis Highroller UST in the back.
Bottom Line:
Balance, that is what this bike is all about. Once properly set up, this bike is just so smooth. Going up or going down, the bike just flows. The first time you ride down a tight singletrack trail on this bike (after it is properly dialed in) you will fall in love. It just feels so right.
This bike will also climb anything. Many of the other bikes I tried would either become mushy when climbing (FSR) or feel to harsh (Blur). This bike just goes. And if you jump out of the saddle, the bike just goes, no hesitation at all. The bike itself, loves power. If you are a strong rider, this is your bike. Hammer and go. I lack power so this is a strength and also a weakness.
This bike requires that you spend time to set it up correctly. Set sag at 25% front and back. This required a bit of work with a troublesome Fox fork but that seems to be sorted.
Overall, a great bike that is a singletrack monster. Highly recommended!
Also, highly recommended is bikerbob!
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Submitted by
Dufess
a
from Joisey USA Date Reviewed: February 2, 2008
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Strengths:
High BB = Good clearance, weight, stiff, balanced feel (when you get it all together),Good do all trail bike, good "I only can have one bike".
Weaknesses:
High BB = high center of gravity. Squirrely on climbs as well as sluggish on long climbs. Took a bit of playing with the rear der. cable routing to eliminate ghost shifting.
Similar Products Used:
Lots of 4-5" FS bikes
Bike Setup:
06 Medium w/RP3 Mainly XT, Hayes 9, FSA XC300 (light and strong) Carbon bars and post. Several forks tried = 07 Vanilla 140R, 05 Manitou minute 3 it, 07 Fox float 130RL. 29lbs even on a digital scale.
Bottom Line:
O.K. This is my second post after 1.5 years of riding this frame. I built it up myself so I won't complain about the grips etc. I have been trying to love this bike but I only like it a lot, the main reason is it was finicky setting up and getting it right. I have had several forks and it has always been lacking in the climbing department. I've changed stems, stem height fork lengths etc. The Vanilla 140 was bouncy and the 130 Minute although it had the same crown to axle length as the van was better even when the travel was all the way out but it was a wriggly fork and it sucked in the technical stuff. I now have a 130 float and the a-c lenth is shorter so we will see. A TALAS 32 would be the best for this frame.
I am 185 and a hair under 5'10" and I have medium. The high BB clears all the big stuff but leaves you up in the clouds when getting full leg extension which has me lowering the seat up and down when I ride places that are steep up and down.
If I had to keep only one bike this would be it but I since I can have several bikes I find it hard to love. Don't get me wrong this thing rails down hills and corners great as well as smoothing out the rough stuff like it was non excisting but again the climbing is what hurts it. It is an effort to keep the line straight on the slow technical climbs and this bugs me.
All in all it is a great bike, I just am all over the place with it, but at times depending where the ride is I am glad I brought it out. A younger rider may never feel the climbing issues that I do, I'm 44.
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Submitted by
Tony Inderbitzin
a Weekend Warrior
from Santa Clarita, CA USA Date Reviewed: January 8, 2008
Favorite Trail:
McGill
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$3700.00
Purchased At:
Rbikes.com
Strengths:
5+"s of plush travel, climbs great, & still competitively light weight. Very stable & balanced ride. Titus quality & reputation.
Weaknesses:
It's not titanium!
Similar Products Used:
Titus Ti Racer X. Specialized Stumpjumper Carbon
Bike Setup:
Fox R37 fork & Float R shock. Sram X-0 shifting. Mavic Crossmax wheels. Easton carbon bars & seat post. Tru-Vac carbon cranks. Juicy brakes.
Bottom Line:
I originally was not blown away with the bike, until a few month later I took my old Titus Racer X up to my vacation home to leave up there & ride it vs. dragging the Motolite there. Absence apparently "makes the heart grow fonder". I missed the extra travel & plushness on one of my favorite trails that has a bunch of rock drop offs. I missed the nice stable feel of the Motolite. I never shuttle ride so weight of the bike was important when I made my purchase. This bike weighs under 26 lbs. & climbs great. And the shifting on the Sram stuff is awesome. Great bike for a rider who wants more than a cross country bike, (but still wants to occasionally race), & doesn't want to committ to all that weight of a free ride bike. Definately an inspirational bike
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Submitted by
Dominic
a
from Bay Area Date Reviewed: December 6, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Braille @ Demo Forest
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1700.00
Purchased At:
Bicyclebob's
Strengths:
I would like to say that this is my second review. The first one being the Aluminum version of the MotoLite. this one being the Ti version. I have to say that I was skeptical at first of buying Ti with all the people saying it would be too flexy. Well, with Titus they have constructed a frame that is soooooo solid yet supple. It is a combination of Titanium, Carbon and hydro-formed aluminum. It is a thing of beauty. It climbs like a goat and descends like a mountain lion after Bambi. It absorbs the minor vibrations that the aluminum does not. And talk about quiet, it whispers through the forest. It is definately "The One Bike"!
Weaknesses:
Price, but it's Titanium!
Similar Products Used:
Santa Cruz, Yeti, Intense
Bike Setup:
'08 Ti ML Blinged out to the max! XO, King, Formula Puro, Crank 4ti's etc...
Bottom Line:
If you can afford the Ti...do it!? Right now they are having a $1000 off of the Ti frames!!! If not, the aluminum version is incredible. You will not regret it at all. The only downside is the Titus stuff (shirts, stickers etc.) are always sold out!
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Submitted by
John
a
from Melbourne Australia Date Reviewed: December 2, 2007
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1700.00
Purchased At:
second hand
Strengths:
beautifully built, great angles, solid and capable all rounder.
Weaknesses:
na, expensive here in oz
Similar Products Used:
575, Specialised Enduro, Intense Tracer and 6.6
Bike Setup:
Fox 32 (soon to be Minutes), fox rp23, Sram XO, XT, King on 819s, thomson and carbon juicys, maxxis ust rubber.
Bottom Line:
nothing rides like a ML............ period!!!! Its true, if l was to have one rig it would be the ML. It is the perfect blend of xc race and all round , long riding enduro machine. I am 6.4 and 230 pounds and the XL fits like a glove. It climbs and accelerates in a flash and can handle being jumped with finese. Five foot to flat is fine even with my heft. I would suggest a 20mm front fork for the large riders out there (pike, Minutes) just to stiffen things up a touch. it is so beautifully balanced and such a joy to ride...... if you can afford it go for it ..... it will never date .... and always return its value and its fun factor.
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Submitted by
Danny G
a Cross Country Rider
from Tejas Date Reviewed: November 24, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Bunny trail
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$375.00
Purchased At:
classifieds
Strengths:
Super responsive, light, unlimited adjustability, all around top-shelf performance
Weaknesses:
I can't find one. It's not the exo-grid??
Similar Products Used:
Kona, Specialized, Intense
Bike Setup:
'05 ML, Push'd RP3, Push'd Talas 32 RLC, King Iso-disc laced to 819's, King HS, Hope M4's, Full XO drivetrain, Raceface Atlas cranks, Easton EC 90 post, Easton Monkey-lite low rise bar, Raceface Evolve stem, WTB saddle, Maxxis Crossmark UST.
Bottom Line:
This bike will not hold you back from reaching your true potential. The performance on any type of terrain will have you grinning ear to ear. I purposely find myself picking a bad line to test it, and it always comes out shining. This is hands down the best 26" bike I've ever had the chanced to own. If you demo one, you'll want to take it home. I scored the frame from a member here on MTBR and got a hell of a deal. Buy one of these!!
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Submitted by
Iwan Kemp
a Weekend Warrior
from Cape Town, South Africa Date Reviewed: November 18, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Eden / Delvera Blk Route
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$16500.00
Purchased At:
Cycle Factory Store
Strengths:
Light, fast, confidence boosting, corners as if on rails. AWESOME FREAKING BIKE!
Weaknesses:
None
Similar Products Used:
Merida AM 3000-D, Racer X, Giant Trance, Cannondale
Bike Setup:
'07 MLII in ano silver. RockShox Rev 426 Dual Air U-Turn Fork with Push Loc Fox RP23 Rear Shock SRAM X0 rear der and twist shifts. X9 front der. XTR cassette,chain, pedals KCNC stem, handlebar, Cranks, seatpost Selle Italia SLR XC Saddle Kenda Nevegal Front tire and Small block eight rear DT 240 hubs and revelotion spokes Stan's ZTR Olympic rims Spin Stix Ti Skewers Ergon GP1 Grips Alligator Cables Avid Juicy Carbon Disc Brakes with Alligator disc pads Chris King NoThread Headset ...all of this put together with ProBolt Ti Bolts and Nuts Polar takes care of speed and cadence monitoring
Bottom Line:
It was battling to decide between the ML and Mojo. Couple of things made me go with the ML in the end and I am absolutely stoked! This is an awesome do it all bike. Trails, All Mountain, XC...you name it. With the U-Turn fork, RP23 rear shock and the ML's suspension design this bike climbs as well as any HT, but it's MUCH faster coming down on the other side. It carves through sgl track like a hot knife through butter and handles jumps and drops with confidence. The front whell tracks unbelievably well. I have moved the rear shock to it's 4" position, dropped the fork and raced XC as hard as hell (which is not THAT fast for me!). I'm much faster on the trails I usually ride and have a lot more confidence on new trails. Get one. Hell get two,one for your buddy battking to keep up with your new do-it-all speed machine!
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Submitted by
Randy
a Weekend Warrior
from Wetumpka Alabama Date Reviewed: November 11, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Swayback Bridge Trail
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$3750.00
Purchased At:
Speedgoat
Strengths:
I studied this through for a year before deciding on this machine. I was able to demo the ML & Switchblade when I lived in Arizona, just couldn't afford one then. Light weight, superb geometry with Horst linkage, superb weld work, makes me want to ride, bathroom scale weight is 27.5 lbs. Darn good for large all mountain bike with 5" of travel. I'm 6' & 190 lbs and I can set the Talas RLC to 100mm w/lockout and go up stuff like never before. As only my 2nd bike I can only say the Motolite is "controlled-plush" over roots and rocks. My inner voice has to remind me to slow down at times as I no longer heal very quickly at age 50. :-)
Weaknesses:
None thus far. Luckily my wife is good looking or I'd never be home.
Similar Products Used:
Schwinn Rocket 88 Stage 2
Bike Setup:
Large ML2 silver anodized, Fox Talas 32 RLC, XTR front-D, crank, cassette, chain; SRAM X.0 rear-D, X.0 trigger shifters (I'll never go back to Shimano tranny after the joy of SRAM 1:1 ratio - click...shift...so simple), Magura Marta SL discs & levers, DT Swiss XR4.1d wheels & hubs, Kenda Nevegal 2.35, Alpha Q carbon post, Maxim Ti Saddle, Chris King NoThread, FSA KXC carbon riser bar, FSA OS150 stem, WTB grips, Shimano M959 pedals
Bottom Line:
Superb deal and service from Chris at Speedgoat dot com including customized rider profile as I had never had a "fitting" before. If you're spending thousands on a bike, spend $75 for the on-line fitting which goes towards the bike price. Love everything about the bike and setup. No more numb wrists and lower back pain. Love the flexibility of the Talas RLC and RP23 with 3 levels of pro-pedal. Had the fun of touring the Titus shop in Tempe Arizona years ago. Even though the ML frame construction is now "out sourced" the quality control is evident. If you're younger than 50 (I'm physically fit) with energy to burn but with less disposable income the ML complete could be the best deal around. Happily Speedgoat had the top-o-the-line build on the shelf at a discount. Go Speedgoat Go!
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Submitted by
David Montgomery
a Cross Country Rider
from South Carolina, USA Date Reviewed: November 1, 2007
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$2400.00
Purchased At:
Julie's Bikes
Strengths:
Solid Build, Tracks well, Comfortable position, great climber and desecender.
Weaknesses:
Only complaint: Slightly Heavy
Similar Products Used:
Specialized FSR XC comp, DBR carbon Hardtail
Bike Setup:
Fox suspension, SRAM Drivetrain, Panaracer Tires, WTB saddle, Avid disc brakes, Titus factory parts
Bottom Line:
I've always wanted a Titus from the number of quality reviews I've seen. I had a chance to ride a Moto-Light and a Racer-X and I was impressed with both. I picked the Moto-Light for a bit more bomb-proof ride. Both bikes climbed like after-burner lit jet fighters. I've now had the bike for a full year and have used it in varity of terrain and in adventure races. If you want an all around great ride get this bike. If you more specific towards XC racing I'd go with the Racer-X.
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Submitted by
Brian
a Weekend Warrior
from Prescott, AZ. USA Date Reviewed: October 22, 2007
Favorite Trail:
any
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$1300.00
Purchased At:
Bob's Bicycles
Strengths:
Clean simple design.
Weaknesses:
None yet.
Similar Products Used:
KHS XC504 and Giant Trance.
Bike Setup:
Small ML frame Fox RP2 shock Fox Talas RL 130mm fork, XT cranks, XT fd,Sram XO shifters and rd, Mavic wheels with Hope hubs. Bontrager stem 100mm 25 degree rise.
Bottom Line:
This bike is a noticeable improvement over my Giant Trance. It is much more fun and stable down technical downhill sectins, switchback corners and it takes to the air nicely. Climbing on the ML is good about the same as my Giant Trance. The Moto Lite will not make me a great rider but in just eight rides it has made me a better rider. I know because my friends are not so far ahead anymore.
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Submitted by
Robert Price
a Cross Country Rider
from Thousand Oaks Date Reviewed: October 22, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Sullivan
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Price Paid:
$1350.00
Purchased At:
Competitive cycles
Strengths:
Very stable ride. Climbs great for a 5" travel frame and absolutely fantastic on the downhills. I rode the '05 ML for 2 years (and loved every minute) but decided to upgrade to the ML 2. Combined with a carbon fiber handle bar, Shimano's new '08 XT crank and the carbon chain stays this bike is noticeably lighter than the '05.
Weaknesses:
Climbs better with an adjustable fork up front.
Similar Products Used:
'05 Motolite and a bunch of XC stuff.
Bike Setup:
XTR trigger shifters and brakes. '08 XT crank and rear cog. Sram chain. XT front der and XTR rear. Dave's speed dream, UST wheelset. RP23 shock and Rock shox Revelation fork.
Bottom Line:
This review is an update to my earlier one since I changed over to the ML 2 frame.
Just let this bike ride you. Really, it is that good. My '05 ML was great and the upgrade to a ML 2 may not be for everyone. Most could not discern a difference in the handling. But if you want a fantastic trail bike that can be ridden all day while plastering a smile on your face this is the one for you. The quality of the frame really becomes apparent after 2 hrs of technical singletrack riding. You just want to keep going.
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Submitted by
Rob Spence
a Cross Country Rider
from Birmingham, AL Date Reviewed: October 21, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Oak Mountain
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2600.00
Strengths:
Climbs with efficiency. Stable downhill.
Weaknesses:
Cheap stock headset.
Similar Products Used:
GIANT Anthem
Bike Setup:
Fox talas RLC, Fox RP23, CK headset, Truvativ crank, Juicy 3, Sram shifters, Kenda kinetics
Bottom Line:
This bike will make you a better rider. It is incredibly efficient climbing out of the saddle. On steep rocky/rooty single track, when you step on it, you can feel the back tire hook up with no peddle bob. This comes from the frame technology, not from the Fox RP23 rear shock.
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Submitted by
Rob Spence
a Cross Country Rider
from Birmingham, AL Date Reviewed: October 21, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Oak Mountain
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2600.00
Strengths:
Climbs with efficiency. Stable downhill.
Weaknesses:
Cheap stock headset.
Similar Products Used:
GIANT Anthem
Bike Setup:
Fox talas RLC, Fox RP23, CK headset, Truvativ crank, Juicy 3, Sram shifters, Kenda kinetics
Bottom Line:
This bike will make you a better rider. It is incredibly efficient climbing out of the saddle. On steep rocky/rooty single track, when you step on it, you can feel the back tire hook up with no peddle bob. This comes from the frame technology, not from the Fox RP23 rear shock.
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Submitted by
Rob Spence
a Cross Country Rider
from Birmingham, AL Date Reviewed: October 21, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Oak Mountain
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2600.00
Strengths:
Climbs with efficiency. Stable downhill.
Weaknesses:
Cheap stock headset.
Similar Products Used:
GIANT Anthem
Bike Setup:
Fox talas RLC, Fox RP23, CK headset, Truvativ crank, Juicy 3, Sram shifters, Kenda kinetics
Bottom Line:
This bike will make you a better rider. It is incredibly efficient climbing out of the saddle. On steep rocky/rooty single track, when you step on it, you can feel the back tire hook up with no peddle bob. This comes from the frame technology, not from the Fox RP23 rear shock.
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Submitted by
Rob Spence
a Cross Country Rider
from Birmingham, AL Date Reviewed: October 21, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Oak Mountain
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$2600.00
Strengths:
Climbs with efficiency. Stable downhill.
Weaknesses:
Cheap stock headset.
Similar Products Used:
GIANT Anthem
Bike Setup:
Fox talas RLC, Fox RP23, CK headset, Truvativ crank, Juicy 3, Sram shifters, Kenda kinetics
Bottom Line:
This bike will make you a better rider. It is incredibly efficient climbing out of the saddle. On steep rocky/rooty single track, when you step on it, you can feel the back tire hook up with no peddle bob. This comes from the frame technology, not from the Fox RP23 rear shock.
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Submitted by
Steve McCaughan
a Weekend Warrior
from Christchurch Date Reviewed: September 23, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Port hills
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$1395.00
Purchased At:
Competitive Cylist
Strengths:
Frame geometry numbers work well. Weight 6lb for large, very respectable Laterally stiff Horst link suspension Carbon seat stays works well Ano finish should last well Works well as a 5" MTB
Weaknesses:
Frame construction is not in the same class as my Ventana and its probably unfair to compare considering price difference!
Similar Products Used:
Have rode or ride with most out there.....
Bike Setup:
I am 6ft 1" and ride a LG with 120 mm Thomson stem, Talas fork, XTR build, Crossmax SL, Oval carbon bars, Chris King etc etc.
Bottom Line:
I am a VERY fussy and demanding rider. I have been riding a Ventana El Saltomantes over the last 18 months so anything compared to this would have to be good! Only changed due to the fact that I thoght the Salty was a bit small and the MLII was on special at a great price, so I thought I would give it a go! I bought this bike due to the frame geometry numbers and Horst link suspension plus the light weight at 6lb and it being on special at $1395 from Competitive Cyclist.
Climbing: Excellent, with no pedal feedback etc. Very efficient on the pedals in 5". I find PP 2 setting ( I weigh 185lb and have 135lb in shock), ideal with enough traction plus efficiency on the pedals. Some tendency to lift ever so slightly on the real, real, steep narly climbs!
Descending: Very, very, very, good as to be expected with 5" of travel under your butt. Laterally stiff so very secure blasting through corners and over baby head rock gardens etc. Rails corners VERY well! I can't stress enough this bike is stiff laterally, as I have been spoilt with a quad bearing Ventana the best in the business and the MLII was as good!
Fast single track. The MLII is very, very, good at this. Carbon rear end, plus the frame numbers seem to work on fast single track and you really feel your on a pocket rocket! The bike is exceptional at railing corners with confidence. This bike is most suited to a rider who has a couple years plus riding time, as the head angle is quick but stable.
General comments: Competitive cyclist brillant to deal with as frame came with check list and delivery in four days from USA to New Zealand. Anodised finish looks set to last. Bike very easy to build with no quirks with cable routing etc. Horst link suspension seems good, but to be honest I cannot notice any difference from Ventan "Faux Bar" under braking into rutted corners etc! I know the science says otherwise but on the trail I can"t notice and I looked for it. RP3 vs RP23 not sure about this. I like two PP settings being available on the fly for trail work with RP3 however I can see the advantages of having the PP1 (hard) setting for pedal efficiency and racing with the RP23. Yes this bike would be reasonably competitive as a race bike for a "one bike does it all" approach plus you will get the advntages of a great trail bike. I feel the MLII has a XC bias to it where a bike like the Yeti 575 has a more "All Mountain" bias to it. Did I say it pedals effeciently, well it does. Out of seat pedalling is rewarded with accerleration and the rear wheel grips quite well witout it being weighted even with a Hutchinson Python on the rear! My take is the MLII is a bike you should consider alongside the Yeti 575, Stumpy, Turner Spot, Blur BLT, El Cilcon, Intense 5.5 and for me it won out due to price, BB height, the frame geometry, carbon seat stays (but not chain stays) and the simplictic proven "Horst link" suspension design that works! PS Inch for inch the MLII is about as plush as my Ventana El Saltomontes at 4" hence my take it on it being slightly more XC although this suits me fine as I like the connection with the trail etc....!
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Submitted by
gayphil
a Weekend Warrior
from Joisey Date Reviewed: September 22, 2007
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$1150.00
Purchased At:
Campmor
Strengths:
It's the only FS I haven't busted yet
Weaknesses:
none yet
Similar Products Used:
many FS, destroyed 4 Klein Palomino's and one GF Cake DLX.
Bike Setup:
07 Vanilla 140, RP3, Mostly XT, FSA XC 300 wheelset, and a beat up set of Hayes OEM HFX 9's
Bottom Line:
My bike with heavy pedals comes in at @28lbs. I ride the piss out of this thing like it was meant to. No XC riding on this at all. It sucks up bumps better than other bikes boasting more travel and takes lines and tracks itself in the same manner. The 140mm coil up front causes some problems in the climbing department when the angle gets steep and loose but I will deal with that. A Talas 140 would probably be the best fork for this frame. I also went with a 110mm stem on a medium frame and I am just under 5'10. The longer cockpit centers me more evenly since Titus sets a lot of bikes toward the rear. All in all it is a great frame. I will actually keep this bike. I sometimes demo bikes and I always realize that I made the right choice. Oh yea, if you want a 23 lb bike get a racer X, this bike is an all mountain bike that begs to be beat. I have run into people with this bike built up light and that's OK but they ride it like a XC racer. Beat it, Drop it, Huck it, Love it!
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Submitted by
brett kenmotsu
a Cross Country Rider
from lisle,il usa Date Reviewed: July 18, 2007
Favorite Trail:
shadow mtn wy
Duration Product Used:
Tested or demo'ed only
Price Paid:
$2500.00
Purchased At:
richards bicycles
Strengths:
over all comfort, downhill control
Weaknesses:
none as of yet
Similar Products Used:
klein polimino, specialized stump jumper
Bike Setup:
basic
Bottom Line:
greatride
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Submitted by
Ed
a Weekend Warrior
from Michigan Date Reviewed: July 3, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Highland
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Price Paid:
$2800.00
Strengths:
Stiff chassis, FSR suspension design, good build quality, mine was an 05' so it is made-in-the-USA, 4/5" travel modes. 05' Powder coat paint is tough - no chips for me. The travel is very smooth.
Weaknesses:
Mine has the original narrow chainstay and the only reason I would call it a weakness was because if my wheel true was off the Panaracer Fire Pro XC 2.1 get really close to the chainstay. But I have ridden this bike in Moab and colorado with a 2.1 tire - and I have been able to climb everything with it.
Similar Products Used:
Started with a Rockhopper, then a Cannondale F700 (96;) and then on to FS with the Titus. Test road several other bikes, specialized stumpjumper and Epic, Cannondale Prophet, Klein Palamino, Trek Top Fuel, Fuel EX, Titus Racer X, Giant Trance
Bike Setup:
05 Titus Moto-lite Large frame, RockShox Revelation U-turn, Mike Garcia Wheelset with Hugi 240 hubs, db 14/15 spokes, DT-swiss 4.1d rims, XT cassette, XT crank, 540 pedals, Hope 110 stem, Easton Monkey-lite riser bar, XO gripshift, X9 rear derailleur, XT front Derailleur, ODI Rouge Lock-on (grip-shift length), Panaracer Fire-Pro XC 2.1 tires, Shimano XT disk brakes 160F/160R, Fox RP3 rear shock, Chris King Headset, Thomson seatpost, WTB Rocket V team saddle. Weights about 28lbs
Bottom Line:
Been riding for 2 years now and still love it, have not found anything else that rides as well. Versatile bike with 4 and 5 inches rear travel setting when coupled with an adjustable travel front fork. I like it in the 4" mode in Michigan and then bump it up to 5" out east or west. You can bomb down the hills and easily climb right back up - the FSR suspension design enables this thing to climb like a billy goat. Handles tight twisty singletrack. I will call it an All mountain bike that can also play the weekend racer a bit.
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Submitted by
John
a Weekend Warrior
from Melbourne, OZ Date Reviewed: June 28, 2007
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1500.00
Purchased At:
ebay
Strengths:
light, stiff, climbs beautifully, great alround angles, comes for the big guys.
Weaknesses:
paint alittle brittle, havent figured out the right shock / fork combo yet
Fox 32 Talas and RP23, Mavic ST, Sram Xo twisters/rear mech, XTR cassette and chain, Raceface Dues cranks, RF Next bar, Thomson and Juicy 7s, Gobi, tyres vary.
Bottom Line:
Really enjoying the ML. Climbs so well and weighs around 27.5. Just havent set up the shocks properly. See l have a 575 with 36s and DHX Air and it feels so much plusher but less XC. So thinking of putting the DHX onto the ML to give it the felling of more plush. Anyway experimenting and shall let you know.
Best bike l have ever ridden, just need it to be perfect for me.
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Submitted by
John
a Weekend Warrior
from West Palm Beach Florida USA Date Reviewed: May 29, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Oleta River State Park
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$1500.00
Purchased At:
Bob's bicycles.com
Strengths:
Wear do I begin. Light weight, anodized black finish ,carbon seat stays and rocker . It really soaks up rough terrain and the frame transfers power very efficiently.
Weaknesses:
None so far
Similar Products Used:
Jamis Dakar
Bike Setup:
XTR cranks derailers shifters Chris King headset race-face carbon fiber handlebars and seatpost ZTR 355 wheelset with DT Swiss 240 hubs formula disc brakes and specialized Roll X tires converted to no tubes
Bottom Line:
First off let me say that the guys at Bob's bicycles are great. They really help in the decision to buy this frame. And what more can I say about this bike that has not already been said. I really love this bike. It does everything I ask it to do and then some what an improvement over my old bike. And it's built very light at 23.98 pounds.
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Submitted by
ash
a Cross Country Rider
from ATL Date Reviewed: May 18, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Pinhotti
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$1350.00
Purchased At:
lbs
Strengths:
geometry, handles very well, adjustable travel, ok price, ok weight for 5inch trail bike
Weaknesses:
Titus Customer Service is terrible, or is there any? Paint is weak, I mean very weak.
Similar Products Used:
NRS, Trek HT
Bike Setup:
06 Small Motolite, RP23, Spinergy Cyclone, BB7, XT Drive and derailures, F100R, attack shifters, Thomson post and stem
Bottom Line:
This bike was a major improvement over my NRS. It feels so good at speed and it really gobbles up the bumps. It also handles very well in the super steep climbs and on tight twisty single track. Its goes without saying that it really shines the most while bombing downhill. I run mine in 4inch mode most of the time but its nice to have the 5 inch option when I'm riding in the mountains.
I am not so happy about the quality of the paint job. I know that is a minor complaint on a Mt Bike forum but this thing is not cheap. My husband has a 05 RX100 and you can so tell the differnce in the paint on his bike compared to mine. Wonder if it has anything to do with the fact his was welded in the USA, while mine was over seas somewhere? Anyway, the paint is chipping off my frame in several places. I'm a girl and I like to keep my bike looking good so I emailed Titus several times looking for touchup paint. No reply, not a single one. Left a message on their box, no call back. Glad it wasnt anything major wrong but I would still like some touch up paint if you guys read this review. I can say my confidence in Titus has been diminished by their lack of support. Its time to look at Ibis or Ventana next time around. They still seem to care what we think.
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Submitted by
Christopher
a
from Evergreen, Colorado Date Reviewed: May 14, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Gooseberry Mesa
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$2550.00
Purchased At:
Competitive Cyclist
Strengths:
Well balanced feel ride. Great value, for an American made ti/carbon frame. Nice welds! Lateral rigidity is really evident in how well the ML2 corners. Fox's redesign pro-pedal with the damping wheel is very easy to tune while riding. Built 26lbs so it climbs very well, almost as well a my ti soft-tail racing rig.
Weaknesses:
Chainline issues. Frame was sent back to Titus, with new bushing it improved the chainline. The crux of it was in mid ring and 32t & 34t the chainline causes the chain to drop in granny. Post warranty only 34t caused the suckage to granny. Final resolution was when 1.0mm driveside bb spacer was used rather than the provided 2.5mm.
Similar Products Used:
Ibis Silk Ti, Airbone Corsair, Nishiki Alien
Bike Setup:
Titanium ML2 with Fox Talus, Industry-nine wheels, Avid ultimate brakes, 07 XTR drivetrain, RaceFace carbon parts, CK headset, Crankbrothers twin-ti pedals, Hutchinson UST pythons = 26lbs
Bottom Line:
This bike rocks, it beckons to be ridin on technical trails. Having been riding and racing on a Ibis Silk Ti for the past 10 years I was concerned about the monkey motions of full supension. While it took a while to tune the ride, once the shocks were dialed in it has been great. The bike feels as well balanced at slow techical riding as it does at fast flowing singletrack. The pro-pedal platform is the suffer switch, it really allows the ML2 to climb like I was on my soft-tail. I chose the ML2 because b/c of it's all mountain status, chose Titus b/c I wanted a ti-frame and the carbon / hydroform rear added a cool value. I do not always agree with mtbr reviewers but no one can deny that the Titus ML2 is a pure joy to ride.
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Submitted by
Comrade Ken
a Cross Country Rider
from Golden, Colorado Date Reviewed: May 7, 2007
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1500.00
Purchased At:
Bob's Bicycles
Strengths:
Solid bike. No noticable flex. Suspension works as advertised. Nice finish (new for 2007!) Handles great.
Weaknesses:
None that I've encountered.
Similar Products Used:
New to full suspension so I don't have much to compare with.
Bike Setup:
Shimano XT drivetrain with exception of Sram 9.0 rear derailer. Avid Juicy 7 brakes. FSA XC 300 wheels.
Bottom Line:
My choice of a Motolite was based primarily on reviews here and elsewhere and I have been extremely happy with it. I wanted the all-aluminum version which unfortunately, is now offered only as a complete bike with only one component package. Bicycle Bob's agreed to sell me the frame only so I could build my own. I think Titus should consider offering the all-alum. version as a frame only option in the future. Otherwise, this is a great bike. It felt great the first time out and now that I've got it dialed in, I feel unstoppable when riding it. It handles great at speed and also when working my way through more technical areas. It climbs great too, front wheel stays planted all the way up. The copper anodized finish is beautiful and so far, seems to be quite durable. My only complaint is this bike is so much fun, I've begun neglecting my adult-world responsibilties. I would recommend this bike to anyone for riding anything from cross country to all-mountain trail riding.
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Submitted by
PP
a Weekend Warrior
from Hong Kong Date Reviewed: May 4, 2007
Read all about the ML's comment and could not wait to get one myself. Fell immediately in love with the ML2 at first sight, particularly the carbon rocker arm, so I took my wallet out, lost some cash and took it home the same day. I intended to build this bird as light as possible, so I went searching for all the lightest possible parts within my budget and still, being able to sustain my weight as an integrated structure. I ended it up at 23.5lbs, which is 1.5 lbs lighter than my expectation. I smiled. This bike is really awesome. It is a very well balanced bike that can be used for all types of ride from XC to aggressive trail, but of course, you can't use it for DH/blackdiamond type of abuse. The light ML2 frame allowed me to climb like a hardtail with the propedal switched on, so I sold my HT as I don't need it anymore. On descend it also gave me confidence with plushness, and the best improvement was my speed in trail riding because of its outstanding corner handling in combination with its suspension design. Highly recommend this bike to anyone who is not in the DH/FR category : climbs like a goat, down like water flow, squirrel speed in trail, what else do you ask for more? Get one, ride it, feel it, taste it, love it.
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Submitted by
Tom
a
from Moorpark, CA Date Reviewed: April 28, 2007
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Price Paid:
$3400.00
Purchased At:
rbikes.com
Strengths:
Light weight for 5" of travel, Climbs great, smooth descending, suspension performance, stiffness, well balanced
Weaknesses:
none found yet
Similar Products Used:
GT iDrive/Cannondale Prophet/Specialized FSR
Bike Setup:
Large MotoLite/Carbon stays Black Ano -Fox Racing Shox RP23 -Manitou Minute 3:00 SPV Evolve, 130mm Infinite Travel -Cane Creek S3 Sealed Bearing -F/R XT Hubs w/Mavic 317 rims -Tires Hutchinson Spider, 26 x 2.3 -Crankset/BB XT -F/R Derailleur XT/XTR -Shifters XT RAPID FIRE -Brakes Avid Juicy 7 hydraulic disc -Pedals Eggbeaters -Saddle Gobi Wing Flex Carbon
Bottom Line:
The best all around bike I've seen or ridden. This is an awesome bike! It has helped me with improved handling, single track and in climbing abilities - I didn't know I could ride so well.
This in my opinion would be the best mountain bike to conquer all mountain riding. Great styling, awesome look and the performance to match it. Highly recommend - get one and see for yourself.
Thanks to Richards Bicycles (rbikes.com) for setting up my bike - awesome customer service!!
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Submitted by
stian haraldsen
a Weekend Warrior
from norway Date Reviewed: March 19, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Magan over Torrkopp
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1400.00
Purchased At:
Bikerbob.com
Strengths:
Bike feel up and down mountains is very good.I realy like the way it handel the rough trails we got here in Norway, with lots of ruts and rocks. Looks, got it in blue and I just love the way it looks.
Weaknesses:
Paint chips too easily. My xt rear. derailleur rubs against chainstay. I did have a problem with bolt in the maine pivotpoint comming loos a couple of times, but this seems to be sorted now.N ow there are a bearing on the seat stay that feels slow (cant feel it when I am rideing, but I felt it when it was appart)
Similar Products Used:
Epic pro, 5spot, Commencal 5.20
Bike Setup:
2006 Medium frame, 2007 Tals and RP23 Thomson stem and seatpost, CK headset and rims, dt 4,1 and spokes. Formula oro 200/160, xt for the rest, and Goobi saddel. Ec 70 monkeylite bars
Bottom Line:
I would recomend this bike to a friend, but I would suggest he take all the chilis here with a pinsh of salt.
I am not sure about custom support from Titus to you living in the US but they have not replyed to mails I have sent them. But Bob has been excelent so far.
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Peter
a Weekend Warrior
from Encinitas, CA, USA Date Reviewed: March 5, 2007
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1400.00
Purchased At:
El Camino Bikes
Strengths:
Very stable at speed, great cornering, very plush rear suspension, no lateral flex, great rear tire traction on tricky climbs.
Weaknesses:
Tons of chainslap. I wrapped the stays in Lizard Skins and it's muffled but still quite annoying.
Similar Products Used:
Santa Cruz Superlight, Intense 5.5
Bike Setup:
Vanilla 130 fork, rp23 shock, various Shimano XT stuff.
Bottom Line:
I love my bike. Every ride feels better than the last. It handles every aspect of my riding better than any other bike I've tried. The rear suspension is so nice and smooth.
Besides the chainslap, my other complaint is that with a 130mm fork the front end rides very high on steep climbs. I should get a TALAS and fix that issue. I don't think that's a weakness of the frame since adjustable forks are everywhere now.
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Submitted by
Tim
a Cross Country Rider
from South Dakota Date Reviewed: March 3, 2007
Duration Product Used:
2 Years
Bottom Line:
This is a follow up from my initial review back in the Fall of '05. I'm perplexed by the comments of the guy below. I've never had a problem w/ ghost shifting. The shifting on the ML is the best I've ever experienced on any bike I've owned (thank you SRAM).
Also, climbing traction is excellent on steep techy ascents. Pedaling manners are well documented.
Descents are pure bliss. The ML has elevated me to a new level of technical riding.
Bottom line: If I had to replace my bike today, I would choose another Moto Lite.
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Submitted by
Tomas
a
from - Date Reviewed: February 28, 2007
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Weaknesses:
Poor paint, rear tire clearance
Bottom Line:
The MotoLite is a OK frame to build up a bike with. But it is far from the "perfect" one. Somewhat overrated in this forum.
Experiences so far on my grey 2006 Medium w/Fox RP23:
Paint quality is poor, chips off easily. Rear tire clearance is poor, claims to handle 2.6 but max 2.3 in reality. Using a 2.4 tire gives about 2mm clearance. Cable routing is strange, can cause ghost shifting in the rear like on a single pivot frame. My frame came with the RP23 shock: using the open setting "active" mode makes it hard to climb, rear sags too much and front reaches for the sky. Using the propedal settings is like a lockout, no traction when climbing. Bushing for rear shock has developed play after 3 months of CC trail use. Poor customer support from Titus, or actually none existing. They won't even bother to answer emails.
On the trails it feels quite well balanced and handles really good, except on climbs as described above. The rear shock is very plush and feels close to a coil sprung damping. Price was reasonable when comparing with Turner, Ventana, Santa Cruz. But you get what you pay for, Titus doesn't reach all the way with this one. I will give it a try rest of 2007 and probably get rid of it at the end of the season.
A medium rating (3) for a medium quality frame, no more - no less.
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Submitted by
Kristin
a Cross Country Rider
from Anacortes, WA Date Reviewed: February 21, 2007
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$3050.00
Purchased At:
BikerBob
Strengths:
First off as my son says "It looks Cool", true that! The front tire stays where I want it to while climbing technical areas and the fit is perfect for my own small frame. It smoothly sprints over rocks, roots and up curbs and small steps.
Weaknesses:
I haven't discovered anything that would take the joy out of riding it.
Similar Products Used:
I used to ride a Titus LocoMoto xs. It was stolen. This is it's replacement. For me this is a superior bike. I didn't know it and may have never known how great a FS bike could feel and perform!
Bike Setup:
Fox Talus Fork and RC float shock, Maxim stem, handlebars, seatpost, SRAM rear deraillure and X.9 grip shifters, Blue Chris King headset, American Classic wheels, Bontrager women's gel saddle, XTR cranks, Avid Juicy 7 brakes, X-pedo pedals
Bottom Line:
I almost feel guilty for liking this bike better than the locomoto but, it's sooo good. It feels like home on two wheels. It's built up nice and light and has a more streamlined appearance than the locomoto. It's understated and not too flashy. I would have to say that I chose to ride my rockhopper about half the time. I'm thinking that it will be less than 25% now! BikerBob was a great help. From the base of this demo bike we figured out what components I wanted to upgrade and went from there by figuring what I could afford. I'm happy with the results. This bike makes hitting the trails after an absense, pure pleasure! Titus makes wonderful xs bikes! There are so many women specific bikes but I was drawn back to Titus. This one is great for it's versatility. I think it would be good for easy single track to trails with lots of roots, rocks and drops. The lock out on the shock and forks is very useful for the road ride to the trail head or if I want to cruise the rail-trail! I am very happy!
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Submitted by
Sung
a Cross Country Rider
from San Jose, CA Date Reviewed: February 8, 2007
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Purchased At:
www.bikerbob.com
Strengths:
Lightweight for all mountain frame (weighed 6.0 lbs with king headset cups installed). Climbs great yet so plush, and it sweeps through tight singletracks.
Weaknesses:
3 things that can be improved. 1) paint chips too easily. 2) rear derailleur cable routing is not the most optimum especially in the rear shock area. 3) my xt rear. derailleur rubs against chainstay...recommend SRAM to solve this issue.
Similar Products Used:
First all mountain bike, but used to ride Titus Racer-X and still ride Klein Attitude HT.
Bike Setup:
Full XT with Avid mechanical dis brakes, Fox RP23 rear shock, 07 Fox Talas RLC, thompson post and stem, Chris King headset, DT 4.1d with Hope(f)/Hadley(r).
Bottom Line:
I have been riding Titus Racer-X 80mm for last two years. As my skills are improving, I have begun to do more technical rides and got bit by the bug of wanting to upgrade to more of all-mountain bike. At that time, one of my friend wanted to get a new bike and another friend was looking to upgrade his SC Blur. I called BikerBob for quote, and I got such an awesome deal that I ended up getting one for myself as well. We ended up getting 3 ML frames (2 small and 1 med) with 07 Talas and king headset from BikerBob. (Not a plug, but if are in the market for a Titus give him a call. I would highly recommend him and Chad from Red Barn.)
Although I'm not very technical in anyway, ML has given me more confidence to tackle the stuff that I would have thought twice with my RX. I was concerned about climbing compared to RX, but it climbs great and it eats up tight singletracks. And the plushness that you get from 5" front and rear.... As much as I love my RX, ML has simply made me a better rider. And the price, you can't argue with that combo.
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Submitted by
Todd
a
from Vancouver, WA, USA Date Reviewed: February 6, 2007
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1500.00
Purchased At:
CyclePath, Portland, OR
Strengths:
confidence-inspiring geometry; excellent at everything from climbing steeps to launching moderate drops to carving tight switchbacks; sex appeal. A gorgeous looking bike.
Weaknesses:
Paints chips easily. Cable rub. Chain suck.
Similar Products Used:
Tomac 98 Special, Ellsworth Dare
Bike Setup:
Frame purchased for $1500 then built with XTR drivetrain, Magura Louise disk brakes, Fox RP23 shock, Manitou Black fork, 2.1" WTB Velociraptor tires.
Bottom Line:
This bike rocks. It's one of the very best "do it all" bikes that manufacturers are pushing on us nowadays. It gets rave compliments nearly everytime it goes outside and will inspire you to push your limits. Tight switchbacks become easier. Moderate drops become easier and more fun. The frame angles tend to cause the front end to unload on very steep climbs, so you need to throw your weight forward. Before you ride your new MotoLite for the first time, use clear bike-frame-specific tape to cover the spots where cables will rub. There are quite a few. Don't forget to cover the underside of the drive-side seatstay and the entire length of the drive-side chainstay, all the way to the bottom bracket. Make sure to keep your cable tension in tune and use a heavy-duty chain due to the 5" of rear travel.
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Submitted by
a Weekend Warrior
from San José, Costa Rica Date Reviewed: January 16, 2007
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Purchased At:
www.bikerbob.com
Strengths:
Lightweight (for an light All Mountain frame), look, rear end is really stiff, and some many other things (see Bottom Line), suspension performance (change in leverage ratio when changing travel setting, definitely makes a difference), balanced ride.)
Weaknesses:
- Paint chips a little easily - It makes you realize how weak a rider you are (not really, but ML made me realize that ML's big brother, the Super Moto, it's not really something that I need: I doubt that I'll ever push this baby to its limits :-( )
Similar Products Used:
Specialized Epic S-Works, Titus Switchblade Talas (in that order) and a Specialized Stumpjumper (borrowed from a friend of mine just to see how it feels)
Bike Setup:
- Medium Gray ML 06' (w/ either RP23 or DHX-Coil 05, depending on the planned ride). - Rock Shox Pike Coil U-Turn PopLock - CK No thread headset - Crossmax XL w/ Weirwolf tubeless tires, both F & R - Formula 24k brakes, 180 F and 160 R - SRAM X0 Rear derailleur - Shimano XT Front derailleur - Shimano XTR cassette - SRAM X9 trigger shifters (I used to use X0 Grips, and as a matter of fact, those are my preferred ones, but it's not possible to fit the GD remote on the handlebar when using the Gripshift, and somehow, I like to see a gear indicator and that ruled the X0 triggers out) - Rotor Crankset - Time Atac XL Carbon-Ti pedals - Syntace Stem - Syntace handlebar (carbon with titanium reinforcements) - Hopey Damper - GD seatpost - Terry Liberator Ti Race Gel saddle - Nokons cables - Ritchey grips
Bottom Line:
Moving from the Epic to the Switchblade was day and night difference (I was never able to feel as confident on the Epic as I was on the Switchblade), however, even when the SB an amazing bike, somehow the bike didn't fit me as well as I'd like it. That, and the fact that I wanted to shave some pounds (by replacing a frame, I think is overbuilt, and some other components), I decided to get a new frame: enter the ML.
Just as the SB, I bought this one from Bob @ Bikerbob.com (can't say enough good things about this guy; it'll take another review, maybe a dealers review section ;-)), and even when I'm located at Costa Rica and since some months ago there is a Titus dealer in here (there used to be none earlier), buying the frame and some components from Bob helped me out to build what it's almost my dreamed bike (more on this later). By the way, if you are looking for a guy with lots of patience (for picky buyers, just like myself), Bob could be the one.
Back to me ML, geometry differences between the SB and ML are minimal (an extra inch standover clearance, little differences on both the head and seat angles, a longer chainstay, a little more bottom bracket clearance and a lighter frame, all for the ML), but what I think that makes for the most significant difference is the rear suspension performance; this bike seems to find traction from nowhere while still being an impressive climber (even on the 5" setting), but at the same time, it's the plushest bike that I have ridden. Some people find the SB plusher than ML, but that's not my case, I find the ML, with either the RP23 or DHX Coil, plusher than SB. It just seems like you can have the cake and eat it too (regarding plushness and climbing efficiency)
I guess that adding all of these small differences (frame geometry, fit and suspension performance) is what make this bike such a wonderful (and efficient) one. Believe me, now I can make really stepped climbs that I just couldn't make in the past, can descent at stupid speeds that I could never tried in the past, and even can ride longer (and still rested at the end of the ride!). Even turning and braking (over rough terrain) is much better on ML. I know that it may sounds as a cliche that "ML's are confident inspiring bikes", but I must say that in fact they are, at least from my own experience.
ML is a very balanced bike, that won't disappoint you either climbing or descending. Rear suspension doesn't sag that much on steeped climbs while keeping active over small bumps and it helps a lot because front wheel doesn't wanders as much (as it did on my SB) and traction still doing its job (keeping the traction) and when bombing down, it really helps you to keep the control.
Is it over my quest for a perfect bike?. I don't think so! (remember what I mentioned above about my dreamed bike?). There still something that could be improved, now that I know that this bike works (the way it does) for me: a custom geometry ML and even better if it's made from.... you guess: an Exogrid ML... coupled with a Cane Creek Double Barrel (which is, by definition, a custom valved shock), so I'll have an even better suspension that I have right now.
Summary, I would recommend this bike to anyone looking for a do it all XC (in 4 inches setting) / All Mountain rig. Just remember that this is a Perm-A-Grin hell of bike.
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Submitted by
Robert
a Cross Country Rider
from Thousand Oaks, Ca. Date Reviewed: January 1, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Caballero
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Purchased At:
MTBR
Strengths:
Very good climber for an all-mountain frame. Most stable bike I've ever ridden. Literally hugs the trail. Perfect for its intended purpose - all day FUN!
Weaknesses:
Highly suggest an adjustable fork to improve the climbing.
RP3, Rockshox Revelation, XTR trigger shifters with XTR deraileur, XT BB. Dave Speed dream UST wheelset.
Bottom Line:
Best riding bike I've ridden. Confidence inspiring. I'm still not hitting the limits of what this bike can do. Great balance between an agile climber and a grin making downhill screamer. Gets better every ride. Ride 3-4 time a week in the last year and loved every minute. This bike has made me take off work early, lie to the wife, or whatever to find time to ride. It's addicting.
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Submitted by
kevin Rader-Rhodenbaugh
a Cross Country Rider
from cary, NC, USA Date Reviewed: January 1, 2007
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$1400.00
Purchased At:
LBS
Strengths:
Extremly responsive, climbs like a champ! Very stiff.
Weaknesses:
None
Similar Products Used:
None, I am coming from a hardtail
Bottom Line:
Very versitile, responsive, confidence inspiring ride. Great bang for the buck!
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Submitted by
Stevee
a Weekend Warrior
from Yardley, PA Date Reviewed: January 1, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Fruita, CO and Dupont State Forest, NC
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Purchased At:
BikerBob.com
Strengths:
Lightweight, great pedaling efficieny, yet plush, love the way it handles on tight singletrack, great build quality, looks...
Weaknesses:
A rearward biased makes the front end a little light on technical climbs
Similar Products Used:
I was riding a 2006 ML in large, but found it to be a bit big for me. I was able to sell it and bought a 2007 ML2 frame from BikerBob. The bike is currently being built up at my LBS. I get it this week!
Bike Setup:
2007 SRAM X.0 RD, 2007 SRAM X.9 triggers, 2007 Juicy 7's, 2004 Fox TALAS Push'd, 2004 XTR crankset, 2004 Crossmax SL wheelset, Kenda Nevagal 2.1's running tubeless with Stan's, Chris King Headset, Specialized Rival SL saddle, still giving thought to the stem and headset.
Bottom Line:
A great bike at a great price, particularly now that it has the RP23, carbon seatstays and rockers and anodized finish!
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Joe
a
from canada Date Reviewed: January 1, 2007
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Purchased At:
www.bikerbob.com
Strengths:
Efficient, stiff, plush and light.
Similar Products Used:
Trek Fuel, Specialized FSR, Cannondale Prophet
Bike Setup:
CK head set, Fox RP23, Fox Talas RLC, Race Face Deus cranks, Race Face Next SL handlebar, Avid Juicy 7, X9 RD and shifters, XT FD, Oury grips, Thomson X4 stem, Thomson Elite post, WTB Rocket SLT seat, WTB Laser Disk lite wheelset, CB Candy / CB mallet pedals, Sram 990 Cassette w/ 991 Chain, Hope Seat Clamp and Skewers
Bottom Line:
I've had this bike for about 3 month and I am very happy with it. It made me a better rider - both up and down the hills. The ML is confidence inspiring as I can clerly feel the stifness of the frame compared to my Trek Fuel 90. It just feels solid. The Talas fork and RP23 make for a super plush, yet efficient ride. The RP23 gives you excellent traction on steep technical climbs.
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Submitted by
Dominic Yannoni
a Weekend Warrior
from San Jose, CA, USA Date Reviewed: January 1, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Demo/Braille - Secret ST
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$900.00
Purchased At:
Revolution Utah
Strengths:
Unbelievable stability and strength! I used to believe that there would be no better frame for my style of riding than the SC Blur 4X. Was I surprised when I UPGRADED to the ML! Not only was it a stiffer bike and a more comfortable feel but it literally corners better than the 4X. Oh! It climbs 10x better than the VPP system. I absolutely love this machine. I have all top o the line stuff and this is just the cherry on top. I don't have anything bad to say about this phenom of a frame.
Weaknesses:
I guess the fact that the paint looks ano but isn't!? Minor stuff.
Similar Products Used:
SC, VPP, Intense
Bike Setup:
'06 ML, '07 Float RLC, '07 RP23, XTR Cranks, XO Triggers & RD, XT FD, Juicy Carbons, CK Hubs & HS, Deus Stem, Carbon Next SL, SDG I-Beam, Nevegals
Bottom Line:
If you want bang for your buck and USA made, I don't think you can find a better buy and all around machine than this ML. It handles everything that you can throw at it up to 5' drops, that's where I would draw the line. This thing is clean silent, with bushings not bearings, stealthy looking and just a dream to ride.
GO BUY ONE , YOU WILL NOT BE DISSAPOINTED!
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Submitted by
marc
a
from teaneck Date Reviewed: January 1, 2007
Favorite Trail:
ramapo
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Ultralight superior hadling smooth suspension, and most of all, its not a turner!!!
Youre buying a Ti bike because you need it. yes its over the top but that is what makes it so special. I have to give value a 3 for a bike in general and 4 for a ti bike. I hope this rig lasts me a good long time. I found this musc faster that my Giant NRS in the one race ive used it in. Its an all around beautiful piece of art
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Bill
a Cross Country Rider
from North Shore, MA Date Reviewed: January 1, 2007
This bike rocks as a fast lighter All Mountain rig. I'm really impressed with how stiff the frame is and how fast it accelerates. I found that I was making climbs that I've never made before yet I'm still able to drop 4 to 5 footers w/o worrying about snapping the frame. The suspension feels great with a standard RP23. It pedals like a stiff XCountry rig yet it soaks up the small and mid bumps like a 6 or 7" rig. The trails in my area are incredibly technical rocky singletrack w/some freeride size stunts so you need a bike that can take the abuse and one that will make sure that you are not abused at the end of the day. The ML does this for you but with the weight and loss of efficiency that you get with a 6 or 7" rig.
The biggest downfall is that 145mm is the largest fork allowed. I guess it's not that big of a deal because when I set my fork at 145mm the balance feels a little off. I found that around 130mm to 140mm is optimal for this frame. It would be nice to bump it up to 150-170mm for pure downhill trails. I guess the El Guapo will fill that gap.
Overall I'm incredibly happy with this bike. It puts a smile on my face everytime I ride it.
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GreenGiant
a Cross Country Rider
from Kalamazoo Date Reviewed: January 1, 2007
Favorite Trail:
Porc Rim
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Purchased At:
Hammerhead Bikes
Strengths:
All around ability. Horst Link. Neutral Braking. Ability to use the full range of the RP23 shock. Build Quality (custom Ti).
Weaknesses:
Custom Ti isn't cheap.
Similar Products Used:
Intense 5.5, Ventana El Saltamontes, Hammerhead 100x
Bike Setup:
Custom Ti motolite with tweaked geometry. Pike U-turn air. King wheels, xtr/thomson/x.o
Bottom Line:
I've been fortunate enough to own a number of high-end 4-5 inch full suspension bikes. All of which are tremendous in their own right. However, the Motolite is the best of the bunch for me. 4-5 inches of travel (I use both settings). I tweaked the geometry on mine, but the handling is neutral without being sluggish. The advantage of this is that between forks, headset fork races, stems, and bars you can get it to handle how you want it to handle.
Build quality on mine is top notch. The Ti work is right there with moots and seven (Titus should push their custom Ti program more, I've said this for years).
One of the things that is so nice about this frame is that in it's neutral design (both the geometry and the suspension) it can really take advantage of the shock technology that is out now. The RP23 is just tremendous on this bike. It can be run with no pro-pedal and feel quite coil like, or the pro-pedal can be ramped up and the bike can be very effecient. 4 or 5 inches of travel. I can not stress how big of an advantage this is.
I also still believe (having owned a few designs) that the horst link is still the most neutral out there. If designed properly for stiffness you can not beat it. It's not a huge difference, but it is a difference.
Another suggestion if you are building from scratch - get a thru-axle front fork. It makes a big difference up front. I was shocked. I'm 200+ lbs, but it's a big difference.
Granted mine is Ti, and exepensive. However I'm positive that the Aluminum version would have the exact ride characteristics. Based on that, the Value rating on this bike is 5 chili's. NO question it's the best thing going for the money right now.
If you need/want a different geometry, the custom Ti work is tremendous.
Three years ago I considered building a custom Motolite. Since that time I went through 2 other frames that were great, but I should have just sucked it up and done this 3 years ago.
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Submitted by
Jamie Alackness
a Cross Country Rider
from Eagle Colorado Date Reviewed: December 28, 2006
Favorite Trail:
Any thing here
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$1400.00
Purchased At:
Moon Time Cyclery
Strengths:
I love this bike more every time I ride it. I've owned and ridden lots and lots of high end bikes and this one takes the cake for sure. Up, Down Accross it doesn't matter it's simply the best bike I have ever ridden. RC from Mountain Bike Action still hasn't returned his demo to Titus. He can ride any bike made, but he always seem to keep going back to his Moto Lite. This alone should speak volumes for this bike.
Weaknesses:
I really haven't found anything yet. It's still tight and runs smooth. I have blown up Two Fox Shocks and one fork though. Must be riding harder.
Similar Products Used:
02 Foes FXR, Yeti 575, Specialized Stumpy, Titus Loco Moto, Intense Tracer, Intense 5.5, Turner 5Spot, Rocky Mtn. Slayer, Element, ETSX, Santa Cruz Blur, Ellsworth Truth, Moment
Bike Setup:
OX and XTR drive train, King, Thompson, Easton Bar, Gravity dropper post, Mavic wheels, Salsa Skewers, Specialized Bg saddle, Odi grips, Egg beater pedals, Kenda, IRC, and Specialized tires, Stan's and Slime Mix for sealant Sram chain, Fox suspension, and Formula Brakes
Bottom Line:
This is the best bike that I have found for my style of riding. Which is pretty aggressive, I live in Eagle Colorado. The trails are steep up and down and tight some are very steep and very tight some are open moto cross trails with burmed out corners you can go as fast as you could ever want to and then some. All super fun. Just down the road a little way is Glennwood Springs and Carbondale beautiful technical single track. Then Grand Junction,and Fruita yes it's better than Moab if you love single track and hate sand there's everything from buff single track to super tech rocky scare you and could very well killyou single track. Just south of Fruita is Telluride and Durango the riding and views are simply spectacular, And just a little farther away is Zion GooseBerry Mesa, and the Swamp trial are amazing. Moab is also just down the road you know what Moab is about. Up the road the other way is Vail, Beaver Creek, and Edwards, even more amazing single track. Lets not froget the Colorado Trail System. Even Denver and Boulder have great riding. And in the winter we ride the snowshoe trails in Edwards, Arrowhead, and Beaver Creek. I even made it back east to ride this year Pennsylvania, and North Carolina both had sweet trails. Green every where it was Sweet. My Moto Lite has been all over this year. In pretty much every condition and has handled very well every where. As some of you know my Moto Lite repalced my beloved Foes FXR. The only thing I really miss about my Foes is the Currnutt Shock. I wish I could some how fit one on my Moto Lite it would make it even more amazing. The new FXR 2.1 looks really sweet. A little shorter a little quicker in the steering would make it handle very similar to my Titus. If it only had a Horst Link suspension, to keep the rear end from stiffing up every-so slightly. After riding my Moto-Lite for a year I can feel it even more than before. Fox did send me a new DHX Air shock which seems to be much better than the first one. They also fixed my XTT Fork the seals leaked after a week but other than that it's all good. This bike is a single-track killing machine. Simply said,this is the perfect bike for an experienced rider who loves to ride single-track and wants to take their riding to the next level. I have never been faster up or down!
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Michael
a Cross Country Rider
from Ooltewah, TN, USA Date Reviewed: December 12, 2006
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Strengths:
Efficient suspension design
Weaknesses:
Flat black paint easily blems, 2006 model relatively heavy compared to the latest 5" travel offerings, limited size range
Similar Products Used:
Ellsworth Truth, Titus Racer X 100, Trek Fuel EX 9.0 Carbon, Giant NRS, Giant Trance, Giant Anthem, Fisher Sugar, C'Dale Prophet, Klein Adept
Bike Setup:
Fox RP3, 2007 Fox Talas RLC, Full XT 9-speed rapid fire, Mavic Crossmax XL, Hutchinson Spider, Time ATAC, WTB Laser V Stealth saddle
Bottom Line:
Disappointed. After reading the glowing reviews below and owning a Racer X for a year, I bought a 2006 Moto-Lite in black, after a nationwide search for a Large. Even after fiddling with the pressure and rebound settings for a while, the suspension didn't feel much more plush than the Racer X 100 I had sold. It went uphill fine, went downhill fine, bu handled a little top-heavy.
My opinion? The Ellsworth Truth was the best rear suspension design I ever had, but it was too flimsy torsionally in size L. At the time, nothing larger was available from Ellsworth, though they have recently introduced and XL Epiphany and a 29'er.
The Racer X was stiff enough, light enough, big enough in XL, but not plush. I had hoped the Moto would give me the efficiency of the Racer X with a plusher ride. It did not.
I just bought a Trek Fuel EX 9.0 carbon in an XL. The fit is perfect with a 120 stem. The suspension is plusher than either the Moto or Racer X, though not as efficient as either the Ellsworth or the Titus, in my book. The Trek is 2 pounds lighter with the Trek spec than my XT kit build.
Ellsworth has priced the Epiphany at $2,395 and cited the Mg rocker as the big reason for the jump in price. For 2007, Titus is raising the Moto price to $1,895 with a few modest upgrades in an attempt to justify the $500 increase in MSRP to be in alignment with Ellsworth and Turner. 5 value chilis for the Moto's 2006 value, 3 for the fleecing price tweak of 2007. Average 4 chilis or value. A good suspension design.
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Harlan
a Weekend Warrior
from Los Angeles Date Reviewed: December 7, 2006
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$3600.00
Purchased At:
Bicycle Johns
Strengths:
Balance, quickness, cornering, and climbing
Weaknesses:
Rear tire clearance
Similar Products Used:
5 spot, Blur LT
Bike Setup:
2006 Frame, Fox Rp23, Fox 32 Talas RLC, Crossmax SL UST, SRAM X-9 and Shimano XT mix drivetrain, Thompson post & stem, and Answer carbon bar
Bottom Line:
I picked this bike after riding it and the 2 others listed above. At 5 10 1/2 I found most mediums too small, and most larges including exisitng NRS too big. The Motolite was just right. Also, I must admit that I was really - very much swayed by all the clones that have written reviews on the Motolite here in MTBR. Wow! I have had this ride now for close to 1 month. The Motolite handels like it is on rails. Especially on long sweeping downhills fireroads and tight single tracks. The RP23 with propedal is great. Want an extremely tight ride I run the PP at #2. For most riding #1 is perfect for me. Going down some bumps, or just want to lossen things up flip the PP to off. It is also handles extremely well on technical downhills, and as others before me have written climbs like a goat. This is a great bike for someone who considers themselves a strong all mountain rider that wants a crosscountry quick ride that feels handles well on tehcnical donwhills too.
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J. Craig Mayer
a Cross Country Rider
from Winchester, KY Date Reviewed: November 9, 2006
Favorite Trail:
Any singletrack
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$2100.00
Purchased At:
Ebay
Strengths:
Very flexible handling bike. Works great for cross country or all mountain trail riding. Simple design. Very light weight for 5" travel bike.
Weaknesses:
None found yet
Similar Products Used:
Mongoose sommet. Have ridden many other full suspension bikes that riding buddies own.
Bike Setup:
Sram X-9 and XTR drivetrain mix. Fox RP3 shock and Talas fork. FSA wheel set.IRC mythos tires. Hayes carbon 9 brakes wit 160mm rotors.All titanium hardware and carbon seatpost, bars and stem.
Bottom Line:
This thing ROCKS! I ride hard and I still have not surpassed it's limit.Very stable over rocks and roots at speed.Bike weighs about 26 LBS the way I have it set up. I ride a lot of different trail. From very tight singletrack to open fireroad and the bike will handle all situations great. You can ride all day with no problems.I would highly recommend this bike for a person that needs one bike to do it all. If you buy just the frame and build it will only set you back $1300.00 brand new! You can't touch anything else comparable to this bike for that kind of money! Buy one before they go up. I plan on riding mine for several year to come. It's holding up great. No play in the bearings or linkage yet. Buy one and enjoy, I promise, you won't be disappointed!
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All Mountain
a Weekend Warrior
from Tasmania, Australia Date Reviewed: September 21, 2006
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
Speedgoat
Strengths:
Very stiff rear end and tracks incredibly well. Excellent climbing and cornering. No pedal feedback detected and apply rear brake all you like downhill. Very controlled downhill.
Weaknesses:
None.
Similar Products Used:
Giant VT
Bike Setup:
06 with Fox RP23 shock and polished rear. RS Revelation fork dual air 130mm travel. XT cranks, hubs and derailleurs. XTR chain.
Bottom Line:
I was absolutely stunned when I first rode this bike. The bike exceeded all my expectations and I am so glad I bought it. Titus has certainly built a refined bike in the motolite. Chris C has designed an absolute beauty. If your considering a versatile trail bike that has a can do attitude, buy it!
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Justin Adams
a Cross Country Rider
from Ashland, OR Date Reviewed: September 17, 2006
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$3500.00
Purchased At:
Ian @ Flywheel
Strengths:
Climbing and descending; everything that I can throw at it.
Weaknesses:
Very little clearance on rear tire
Similar Products Used:
Marin Attack trail
Bike Setup:
Fox float RPM rear and Fox 130 RL fork. FSA wheels. Shimano XT and SRAM X9 components, Chris King headset, Easton carbon Bars, etc...
Bottom Line:
This is an amazing overall bike. It does everything you could want it to do. If you are an all mountain rider who loves to climb and descend fast this is the bike for you...a true quiver of one. Also highly recommend the fox suspension to round out this great bike.
Some days I swear I hear it whispering things like, "let's go a little faster...", "why don't we try that hit?", or when climbing, "let's put some hurt on those pedals." Can't recommned it enough.
Also a great value in this category...several hundred less than any other 5-inch travel bike of similar weight.
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Submitted by
Wrinklefree
a Weekend Warrior
from Bay Area, CA Date Reviewed: September 15, 2006
Favorite Trail:
Demo, Skeggs, Tamarancho
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
Chad @ Red Barn Cycles
Strengths:
Amazing Rigidity! Sports Car feel and handling Excellent Pedalling efficiency Lively Geometry, perfect mix of XC/Agressive XC Great Welds Looks fantastic
Weaknesses:
Paint isn't as bad as people say. But nobody will compliment it either.
Similar Products Used:
Turner 5 Spot, Marin Wolf Ridge, Yeti 575
Bike Setup:
Rockshox Revelation Air U-turn, Fox RP23, SRAM XO shifter and Derailleur, Hope Mono Mini, Hope Hubs w/ DT 5.1 rims, Thomson stem/post, Carbon bar and WTB saddle.
Bottom Line:
I've looked at just about every 5" bikeon the market and the ML is the best for my style of riding. This is for someone who likes the feel and efficiency of a 4" bike but wants something for occasional brave stunts or extra long rides. Instantly I'm riding with more confidence on decents, railing turns just to see how far I can push, and riding longer.
5" is the new 4" believe the hype.
At first I thought this frame rode a little harsh compared to my Marin. What I was actually feeling is the stiffness of the frame along with amazing feedback. This bike rides like a sports car in that you can feel exactly what the front and rear wheels are doing, and more importantly when they're going to wash out. I always thought my previous bikes were stiff until I took ownership of the ML. You can really appreciate this when the fork and rear shock are locked out on trails with small bumps. Feels like one solid chunk of aluminum. This helps tremendously on high speed descents with small bumps because the chassis never feels overwhelmed like it does on the Marin. It doesn't flex and lets the suspension do its job. Wonderful!
Climbs exceptionally well, but you may need a slightly longer stem to make sure the front end stays planted. My Marin is still the best climbing bike I've ever owned, but I've taken the ML on all the tough-stuff including $2 hill at Joaquin Miller Park in Oakland, and it passed with flying colors. Takes a little more body english but I was clearing everything in the first or 2nd try. If you're not too smooth in your granny gear climbs you'll have a hard time. This goes with just about any bike though.
The ML really feels at home on long fast swoopy, semi-technical singletrack. Not to say it can't handle the bigger stuff. But I believe this is what Titus had in mind when designing it from the get-go. The bike almost disapears beneath you and you fly through the woods. Racer-X on steroids is another perfecet analogy.
About my setup: weight is 27.8lbs verified on my digital scale. PERFECT bike for all day epic rides. I'm starting to scope out longer rides since I got the bike.
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Patrick McGrath
a Weekend Warrior
from Orange, CA USA Date Reviewed: September 4, 2006
Favorite Trail:
STT/Luge
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
From Chad at Red Barn Cycles
Strengths:
Great all around "All Mountain" Rig. Very efficient pedaler and competent descender.
Weaknesses:
Cheap paint (not as bad as others make it out to be) Cable routing is a pain
Similar Products Used:
The Moto Lite replaced my Foes FXR.
Bike Setup:
Fox RP23 rear shock, Marzocchi All Mountain 1 (130-150) set at 140mm.
Bottom Line:
Great all around ride especially with a longer fork. It felt very well balanced with an All Mountain 1. I think this is the best value frame in the 5" range. I was considering the Titus Motolite, Turner 5 Spot and Ventana X-5 before going with the Moto Lite. It was a tough decision and I don't think I could have made a bad one, but am very happy it was the ML.
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Submitted by
Paul
a Cross Country Rider
from Springville, Utah Date Reviewed: September 2, 2006
Favorite Trail:
Wasatch Crest
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Price Paid:
$3900.00
Purchased At:
Revolution Mountain Sports
Strengths:
This bike is unreal! It's initial response to the rider seems to be sharp, quick and fluid at lower speeds, but push the pedal to the metal, and as the speed increases, the response just keeps getting better, and better to the point where you become addicted to it! It is by far, the best climbing mountain bike I've ever ridden! You can actually feel every ounce of power being pushed from pedal straight back into the drive train and down onto the trail! NO POWER LOSS - PERIOD! NO BACKEND SWAY! This bike flat-out flys!!!
Weaknesses:
Give me a jewel-tone paint job, and I'd be there (Nirvana! Aaaahh!)
Similar Products Used:
Diamond Back XR1, Giant, GT, Specialized Stump Jumper.
Bike Setup:
2006 Titus Moto-Lite - Marzocchi All Mountain II forks (130-150 mm), Mavic CrossMax Enduro Disc UST rims, Continental Verticle Pro 26x2.1 UST tires, Nokon cable & housing (won't rust, handles freezing temps), Shimano XT drive train and shifters, Bontrager pedals, Fox RP3 rear shock, Easton Monkey Lite XC Carbon handle bar, Yeti grips, Avid Ball Bearing Disc Brakes (fully mechanical, fluidless system), Thompson seat post, Terry Men's Liberator Gel saddle.
Bottom Line:
This bike immediately responded to difficult, high-speed trails here along the Wasatch. It out climbs all the competition. The Marzocchi All Mountain II (130-150 mm) and RP3 shock combo is totally awesome! Rocks, Logs, Drops, Speed, Steep Climbs, the Moto-Lite seems engineered for them all! Sweet, sweet ride!
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Submitted by
Jon
a Weekend Warrior
from Grand Rapids, Mi Date Reviewed: August 7, 2006
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1400.00
Purchased At:
bobsbicycles.com
Strengths:
Pedaling, handling, geometry
Weaknesses:
Just the rider. Okay, so maybe more color options or anodized finish would be nice. Doesnt really need the 4 inch setting.
RS Revelation fork, Fox RP3 shock, SRAM 9.0 8sp drive train, XT cranks and FD, Avid BB7 disc brakes, FSA XC300 wheelset, Thomson 110mm stem. RF Dues risor bar, etc.
Bottom Line:
Every description of this frame from mtbr, MBA, and titus web site is dead on. Truth be told I really dont need a 5 inch travel bike here in Michigan. But a 5 inch travel bike that handles nearly as well as a Racer X is too good to pass up. Besides this bike is just as comfortable on the tame trails as it is on the rough trails, since it pedals so well. I love the slack head angle, it just eliminates that endo feeling on steep decents. I dont think I could ever go back to a 71+ degree head angle on a trail bike. The higher bottom bracket is pretty cool too. I rarely hit the pedals on the ground unless I'm railing a corner. The first few times I rode this bike, I was trying to decide if it did not pedal, climb and handle as well as my Racer X and I really had a tough time deciding. I think it is not quit as flickable as the RX which I attribute to the longer wheelbase. But, the Motolite is a much more capable bike and even climbs better on some of the rougher hills. Keep in mind I'm comparing this 5 inch FS trailbike to one of the finest FS race bikes, which is a testament to how well this bike really handles. Another cool thing about this frame is that its $400-600 cheaper than the other high end 5 inch fs bikes (Turner, Ellsworth, Ventana etc. I reall respect Titus for that.
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Jamie Alackness
a Cross Country Rider
from Edwards, Colorado Date Reviewed: August 3, 2006
Favorite Trail:
Gooseberry Mesa
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1400.00
Purchased At:
Moon Time cyclery
Strengths:
Incrediable handling, very stiff yet lite enough for a racer. Built for an experineced rider. Superior suspension. When it comes down to it every bike maker it the world it triing to make a suspension that works like the Horst-link with out paying royalties to Specialized and they all come up short in one way or another. If your not going to buy a bike with a Horst Linked suspension buy a bike with a good single pivot design, Because they still out perform every other suspension on the market are stiffer and cost less!
Weaknesses:
No weakness with the actual frame. Paint chips off pretty easily. Titus please offer this frame anodized with a polished rear triangle. Black, Red or even ball burnished would be great. I also wish titus would offer the bike as a five inch travel only with the same spring ratio as the four inch mode on current moto lites. Or at least offer it as an option I would definatly buy one if they did. Making the frame adjustable compromises how well the rear suspension works, and you can feel the difference in the two modes. The spring rate changes quite a bit which forces you to reset up your shock. The suspension seems to work better in the four inch mode but doesn't climb any better so why bother? I just leave it in the five inch mode now. I understand where they are comming from from a marketing perspective but the Moto Lite was built to be fast handling trail bike not a race bike. Titus already makes the best race bike money can buy. All I want is a light weight Five inch travel trail bike that I can set up once and ride til the wheels fall off and I think most people out there would agree with that.
Similar Products Used:
Foe's FXR owned, Turner Five Spot demoed 3 times, Intense 5.5 demoed twice, Yeti 575, Specialized Spumpjumper and many others.
Bike Setup:
Sram XO and Shimano XTR drive train, Easton bars, Thompson stem, Formula brakes, Lizard skins lock-on grips, Specialized bg saddle. Gravity dropper seat post. Mavic XL wheels, Salsa skewers, Kenda Nevegal tires with Stan's and slime mixture, Fox XTT fork, Fox DHX-air shock
Bottom Line:
The Moto-Lite is a Fast handling trail bike built for an experienced rider. The Moto-Lite climbs as well as the 575 5.5 and the stumpy and descends as well as my FXR and the 5-spot. This is huge where I live in Colorado. The crew I ride with likes to ride up brutally steep single track and or deer paths that most people think of as downhill only then desend at speeds that would even make some downhillers nervous. It's amazing what this bike is capable of I've done some five foot drops to smooth landings with no problems. It's not as fool proof as some some of the other bikes I tested but it's the only one I liked better than my trusty old Foe's. I bought this bike because of it's fast handling, light weight, and balacned feel. It's no lighter than my old Foe's but is easier to manover and climbs better. It's the best copromise between climbing and descending that I have found in any bike the Stumpy is close second but it's not as stiff and costs more.
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Submitted by
dt
a Cross Country Rider
from Park City, UT Date Reviewed: July 26, 2006
Favorite Trail:
sshhhhhh can't tell
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
build quality, geometry is spot on, great cust service guys at titus
Weaknesses:
none - zip - zero - nada
Similar Products Used:
racer X, XCE, 5Spot, ETSX70 (all actually owned and then sold...)
Bike Setup:
Titus Ultimate build - 2007 RP23/TalasRLC, XTR/XO/240/ORO Puro's(had the Marta SL's but no comparison to the ORO Puro's)
Bottom Line:
What are you waiting for - go hit up your LBS and order or pick up a MotoLite. hands down the leader when it comes to the All Mtn category. I've owned and ridden all of the competition. nothing comes close for a 4 or 5" travel XC rig especially at the price, 500.00 less than a 5.5 or 5-Spot and it has the Horst link to boot. The 2007 RP23 and Talas RLC ain't too shabby either, they both transform it into an ultra capable climbing machine that can really open it up on the rough and rocky descents. currently at 26.5 lbs w/ no stupid light parts spec - just solid all day epic goods
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PK
a Cross Country Rider
from Portland, OR Date Reviewed: July 12, 2006
2006 Talas RL, Crossmax, 2.35 UST High Rollers, XT/XTR drivetrain, Hayes hydros, Easton ML DH handlebar, 90mm Dues stem, etc, etc - came in at 29 lbs
Bottom Line:
I ride everything from XC to light DH and FR. After only 4 rides, I find myself riding longer and harder than ever before, clearing technical sections of trail I used to walk and feeling fresher after long rides and climbs. I am carrying more speed and taking more aggressive lines through technical trails than ever before, and the bike begs for more.
Suspension performance is unreal - active while hammering the pedals or during hard braking, bob free and plush. Stiff and holds its line. Corners like it is on rails, very balanced. Easy to take off and land small jumps.
If you are looking for 'the one bike' and live in the PNW, go see Bill and Josh at Cyclepath. They took the time to get one dialed in for me, and hooked me up with some good deals on parts.
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CJ
a Cross Country Rider
from US Date Reviewed: May 22, 2006
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1400.00
Strengths:
-Very laterally stiff -Climbs very well for a 5" bike -Excellent descender -High bottom bracket (no more pedal banging!) -Great standover height -Light for being so "beefy"
Weaknesses:
-The paint looks nice but is flimzier than toilette paper. Completely rubbed off WITHIN 2 WEEKS where the brake hoses and cable housings contacted the frame. It took almost a year for the same type of wear on my anodized Specialized. -Something about the frame geometry causes some lower back pain on extended climbs. While this is a personal problem, I only know one other Moto-Lite owner and he's had the same problem...strange.
-TALUS RLC fork -Mavic 819 rims w/Hope Pro II hubs -X.0 drivetrain -Raceface Deus cranks -Easton Monkeylite XC carbon riser bar -Thompson 100mm stem -Hayes HFX mag brakes -Maxxis 2.3 UST Highroller (front) -Maxxis 2.0 UST Larsen TT (rear)
Bottom Line:
For the most part I love this bike. It's a more capable descender than either my old Stumpy or the Flux. It's also extremely laterally stiff; especially when compared to the other bikes I've used extensively.
It doesn't climb quite as well as the '04 Stumpy but, once I got used to the change in geometry, I've found it to be a very capable, all day climber. That said, it's a MUCH better climber than the Flux (2006 model) even though the Flux is supposed to be more XC oriented than the Moto-Lite.
Going downhill the bike really excels; especially through tight turns and a rocky sections. The lack of flex in the rear end is immediately noticable, especially after riding the Stumpy for so long. This lateral stiffness really makes me feel like I can pin the thing into the corners harder than I ever could with the Stumpy.
Another great thing about this bike: I'm the only person I know that owns one (I know one other person with the '05 version). It's a cool feeling being the only guy on the trail with a particular brand of bike and having strangers constantly approach me to ask me about it.
The only major drawback to the bike is the paint. I have the grey one with the matte finish (it looks like an anodized finish but, alas, it's only a matte paint) and couldn't believe that the paint had completely rubbed off in a couple of places...COMPLETELY!
Some well placed electrical tape has pretty much remedied the problem but, come on Titus, for $1400 (frame only) you'd think they could give me a little more than 2 weeks before I started seeing bare metal!
As for the back pain, it's strange. I've never experienced it with any other bike and wouldn't even mention it except for the fact that the only other Titus owner I know has the same problem. I have absolutely no idea what could be causing it so I'll just have to play with the setup some-more to see if I can remedy it (don't worry, I didn't downgrade the bike because of this "problem.")
Overall, this is a great bike so it gets 5 flaming poops for value because, in my opinion, it's simply a better bike than the comparable Turner, Ellsworth or Intense models which can cost over $700 more and it absolutely better than any of the other frames that come in at the $1400 mark.
I'm going to knock off a torched terd for the horrendous paint problem and only give it a 4 overall as this is simply unacceptable with a bike like this.
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Submitted by
Eddie Jones
a Weekend Warrior
from Gardendale, AL Date Reviewed: May 12, 2006
Favorite Trail:
Oak Mtn State Park
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$3200.00
Purchased At:
Cahaba Cycles
Strengths:
Frame, Frame, Frame
Weaknesses:
None whatsoever
Similar Products Used:
Cannondale Super V, Specialized Enduro
Bike Setup:
Medium Moto-lite frame, Fox Talas RL, DT Swiss Wheels, Chris King headset, Stylo Cranks, GXP bottom bracket, WTB Rocket Saddle, SRAM X-7 shifters, X-9 Rear, and XT front. Geax Lobo-Loco 2.3 tires (grip like velcro), Titus cockpit, and Time ATAC xs pedals.
Bottom Line:
This Mother****** rocks. I am a 280 lb clydesdale and thought I had it good with a Specialized Enduro. However, the new bike bug hit me and I had the choice of an Intense 5.5 or the Moto-lite. Because of pivot bearing problems reported by some here on mtbr with the Intense I chose the Moto-lite. I am ecstatic that I did. This bike is so stiff in the rear yet totally responsive to every bump on the trail if set up right. The build is spot on for this type bike (maybe shoud have went with the Talas RLC but the RL is doing a phenomonal job) Now one thing that did help the bike is that I took off the stock tires (Kinetics front, Nevegal rear), and installed GEAX Lobo-Loco tires. These things grip and roll better than anything that I have tried. (And being as I am a tire queer I have tried them all) Bootom line on this bike is that EVERYONE should scrape together the money and get one TODAY. It is a little on the expensive side but you get what you pay for and it is American made
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Tyrone Regaliza
a Weekend Warrior
from Philippines Date Reviewed: May 11, 2006
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$1290.00
Purchased At:
Sabak sports
Strengths:
A do it all, great handling, perfect weight, compliments very well with fox RP3, forward movement while climbing, design, color, style
Weaknesses:
None so far
Bike Setup:
full XTR, thomson stem & post, FSA handle bar, manitou fork
Bottom Line:
The best all around bike, with great value for money. This is an awesome bike! it Rocks solid! I improved in trail handling in single track and in climbing.
With our trail in Sta rosa Philippines where we get all combo of technical single track, carjack uphill climbs, and long rocky descends (Upak trail), the 50-60kph descend is no problem at all.
This in my opinion would be the best MTB bet to conquer it all. The 5 hour weekend trail was tamed by these Lean mean machine... Moreover, the sleek styling, coupled with the well designed frame, makes it look extremely cool, whilst the function rocks!
Thanks to Sabak sports (Philippines) for setting up my bike which suits my style of riding!! and for bringing in Titus here in the Philippines. Well done.. KUDOS!!! The frame and the LBS is highly recommendable!!
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Braham
a Weekend Warrior
from Venezuela Date Reviewed: May 10, 2006
Favorite Trail:
everything technical
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
redbarncycles
Strengths:
Horst link (no pedal feedback, no more brake jack), price, value, looks, rare (at least in Venezuela it's the only one!!), point and shoot, weight, super climber, a lot of control on downhills
Weaknesses:
Paint scratch too easy, weak paint job..... I'm cutting tubes and placing them everywhere to protect frame. Nothing else!!
Similar Products Used:
Schwinn Moab (hardtail-1 year), Santa cruz Superlight (2 year) and demoed some nice bikes
Bike Setup:
Medium grey 2006 frame, XT old gruppo (from SL),Talas RLC, avid mech 185/160, king/819, conti vertical 2,3/ conti explorer 2,1. Thompson, easton, Oddi, 959,WTB .... etc 28,5 pounds
Bottom Line:
Bought this bike based on reviews from all the people on MTBR and articles that could find. As I live in Venezuela, there is no way that I could have tried this bike (No Titus dealers here :-( )
Got in touch with Chad at Redbarn, he had the frame in the color that I was looking for and the best price I could find, did some money math and decided to pull the trigger. In less than 2 weeks I had it built.
This bike is amazing. It took me a while fiddling with the set up and air pressures. To tell you the truth, didn't liked it the first ride. (now I run about 60 PSI in the Talas and 140 in the RP3 full gear and it's perfect)
Now with everything set right on the spot it's just amazing. In the climbs it's incredible; roots, rocks, ditches, it don't mind. (be sure to set the sag with the Propedal in the minus "-" position). I can climb everything I did on my Superlight and a lot that I couldn't.
The suspension it's great but weird at the beginning (coming from single pivot), it feels like a very efficient XC machine but when you hit something, it just disappear. Is not sluggish, it accelerate very fast indeed.
The cockpit is very comfortable (I'm 5-10 and use a medium frame and 100mm stem)
On the downhill this thing just fly... use the breaks or don't use them, it doesn't matter you will feel in control all the time; no brake jack, no pedal feedback.
I am clearing things that didn't even dreamed to ride in my SL. The HL and the extra inch help a lot there. It's also very stiff, just point and shoot, it go where you look.
The 4 or 5 inches option I guess it's nice. Haven't tried it in 4 inches cause it rides awesome in the 5 mode so I don't bother
Recommended 100% for the guy that just enjoy the trails, new hardcore riders, trailbiker, etc
Depend on your built, you can have a 26 pound super machine or a 32 pound monster
I'm very happy with it
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Submitted by
Mintsauce
a Weekend Warrior
from Hermanus Date Reviewed: May 1, 2006
Favorite Trail:
Harkerville Red Route, Knysna, RSA
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Purchased At:
Bowman Cycles
Strengths:
Overall handling but especially the cornering, climbing, siffness of the rear-end, weight, value
Weaknesses:
Paint on some 06 frames, but Titus is prepared to warranty, including paying shipping both ways
Similar Products Used:
Amp Research B-3(2yrs), Amp Research B-4(7yrs), 02 Titus Racer X 80mm(2yrs), fairly brief testrides on Santa Cruz Superlight, Intense Tracer, Giant NRS, Trance and VT, Cannondale Prophet and Scalpel
Bike Setup:
06 Large with Manitou Swinger 3way, Fox Talas RLC, Avid Juicy 7, Thomson stem & post, Easton MonkeyLite carbon, Chris King ISO with DT Revolutions and Mavic XC717, Sram X9 triggers & X.0 rear der, XTR fr der, RaceFace Deus X-type, Bontrager Jones 2.3 treads with Stan’s, Shimano PD-M959 pedals
Bottom Line:
Simply amazing. No....really....I mean FREAKIN’ AMAZING!!!! This bike TOTALLY KICKS ASS!!!!!!!! I absolutely love every single minute I spend on it!!!!
Coming of the Racer X I was worried that the handling might not be as good. Titus themselves say that it’s set up to be more stable at speed, hence slightly slower in the twisties and less snappy than the Racer X. This was a HUGE concern for me since that is exactly what I loved so much about the RX. After 3 months on it I would agree that the steering is slightly slower, but the difference is hardly perceptible. The bike ABSOLUTELY RAILS singletrack. Cornering is simply MIND-BLOWING! It’s just so responsive and damn quick. The slight loss in steering speed is totally made up for by a HUGE increase in high-speed stability, especially over rough terrain. It carries a lot more speed but with it gives a lot more confidence.
The suspension performance is all I expected and more. I can’t believe how active the rear is. Take it at slow speed over a succession of small bumps and watch the swing-link respond to every little bump. It’s FAR MORE active than my friends Cannondale Prophet that has a half inch more travel. We’ve ridden together 5 or 6 times and every time he’ll cruise next to me and looking down at my bike throw out some expletive and say that he can’t believe how it responds to the trail. On the other hand, it’s so plush and comfy and yet, when you do get out of the saddle on the occasional powerclimb, it still pedals incredibly well.
Climbing performance is also much better than I expected. Being fitted with a platform shock, this bike actually pedals better with less bob than what my RX80 did with a Fox Float R(pre Propedal) It obviously responds to heavy-handed rider inputs and out-of-the-saddle climbing, but that’s to be expected. I just stay in the saddle and spin it out( I stay in low gears to save my knees anyway) On steep, technical, rocky, rooted climbs this bikes blows me Away every time. Climbs that had me clamoring to get to the top, struggling to find traction, are now almost easy. The traction this bike generates is simply AMAZING even compared to the RX I had before. On one of the first rides I took it out on a trail neither myself or the two guys with me had ridden before. We got to a very steep section of jeeptrack with plenty of ruts and loose rocks. The guy in front was pushing his bike up, the guy behind told me not to bother as I was getting on the bike at the foot of the hill. Seconds later they were both cheering me on with huge grins on their faces as I crested the top cos we just didn’t think it was a rideable hill.
I just read this morning that it’s been rated best bike in it’s class by Bicycling and Mountain Bike mag for the second year running. I haven’t ridden any of the direct competition, but having owned the Racer X that falls in the category below it, and having ridden(although briefly) longer travel freeride bikes that fall above this category, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT THIS IS THE BEST BIKE JOE PUBLIC’S MONEY CAN BUY. IF YOU’RE NOT A XC OR FREERIDE/DH RACER, BUT SIMPLY LIKE TO GET OUT INTO THE WOODS AND RIDE, THERE SIMPLY IS NO BETTER BIKE ON THE PLANET TO DO IT WITH....PERIOD!
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Ryan Simmons
a Cross Country Rider
from Salt Lake City, UT, USA Date Reviewed: April 25, 2006
Favorite Trail:
Hmmmmm......
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1400.00
Purchased At:
Speedgoat
Strengths:
Fairly light for a 5" travel bike. Adjustable travel. Slack frame geometry, especially when using a 150mm fork. Fits me as a taller rider better than a lot of other frame manufacturers.
Weaknesses:
The '06 paint chips really easily. I've only had it for a short period and continually try and cover wear areas with tape. Cable routing gets a bit odd after the first rear shock mount. Hanger is held on with a single chainring nut/bolt which allows the rear derailleur a fair degree of flex that can effect shifting if pedaling hard. Running the RP3 with a bit more sag than what is recommended is not wise. I ended up destroying the RP3 can riding in Fruita probably due to side to side flex. I can't say if this is a problem with the RP3 due to it's being so light or a problem with the suspension design of the frame. Either way, I'm now running a Marzocchi Roco with a 500lb coil.
Similar Products Used:
'03 SC Superlight, '05 RM ETSX-70, '04 Ellsworth Truth and the list goes on.
Bike Setup:
Now with a Marzocchi Roco, All Mountain 1, Sun SUV's, Maxxis 2.35 Minion DH's, Gravity Dropper remote 4" drop post, SRAM X0/X9, Race Face Deus cranks.....
Bottom Line:
Great bike, especially if you're over 6'4" tall. The price is fair for the quality of the frame. Seems durable, yet light enough for aggressive all-mountain type riding.
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Hank
a Cross Country Rider
from Tucson, AZ Date Reviewed: April 22, 2006
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
LBS
Strengths:
As many have said - a great "do it all" bike, and compared to similar (Santa Cruz, Turner, Ellsworth, Moots...), an awesome value! Excellent weight.
Weaknesses:
Slow delivery due to demand (which can't really be a bad thing, can it?)
Similar Products Used:
Not really similar - my last bike was a '01 Schwinn Rocket... time for a change
Bike Setup:
SRAM X.O (though XTR FD, cranks, cogs), Fox TALAS, DT 240 wheels... the package deal.
Bottom Line:
The buildup was great... read a lot for comparisons to other equivalent frams (5"). Few were as light, and those that were they were 2x (or more) the price. Strength and stiffness was a plus. Local company (only 120 miles north of me), built for this terrain. Great write-up in MBAction. Ok... now for the riding. Plenty of ways to dial in the ride for individual tastes/terrains, and will still be playing with that for a long while (probably as long as I own the bike!). It is absolutely amazing how the suspension works on this toy - STAY IN THE SADDLE and let the bike work for you... you stand up, and it swallows - but stay seated, and you're constantly in the groove. Rides like on rails. Absolutely awesome pairing to all components. For me, it's great to say that I've almost doubled my travel, and shaved 1.5# off of the total weight. Looking forward to many, many awesome rides with this baby! Great job Titus!
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Daniel
a Cross Country Rider
from Phoenix Date Reviewed: April 3, 2006
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1395.00
Purchased At:
Rage Bikes, Scottsdale, AZ
Strengths:
Strong, Well Balanced, Rides Really Well, Quality Workmanship
Weaknesses:
None
Similar Products Used:
Specialized Epic
Bike Setup:
SRAM X.O. Rear Derailer, XTR Front Derailer, Chis King Hubs and Headset, NOTUBES ZTR 355s, FOX TALAS 130 (PUSH'd)
Bottom Line:
This is a really great five inch suspension bike. It rides almost like a cross country machine, yet, it can take some serious abuse. My bike weighs 26.5 pounds but is capable of very technical trails. It's a great frame/bike. Go buy one!
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John
a Weekend Warrior
from Philadelphia Date Reviewed: March 28, 2006
Favorite Trail:
too hard to choose
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$3500.00
Purchased At:
Yorktown Cycles
Strengths:
Corners like nothing I've ever ridden. Just eats the trail up--going up and back down.
Weaknesses:
None that I've discovered
Similar Products Used:
Foes FXC
Bike Setup:
Fox Float RLC / R3P, 50mm Thompson Stem, Answer 2" risers, XT across the board, Avid Juicy 7s, Rhyno Lites...
Bottom Line:
Every time I ride this thing I am blown away. It is well suited to accomodate more downhill style handling on the downhills, which is great, especially when it climbs 10 times better than my prior bike, which was probably 3 pounds lighter. I still have not ridden the bike to its full potential and I've done some pretty hairy stuff. And I just can't get over the cornering; the bike is so well balanced. I'd strongly recommend it to anyone looking for a long legged trailbike.
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Guy Gibson
a Weekend Warrior
from Springfield,Or , usa Date Reviewed: March 24, 2006
Riding this bike gives me cramps from smiling so much. Climbs extremely well,Decends so well the climb is fotgotten before you reach the bottom. No lateral flex.Can't think of a better chassis at twice the money. If you are in Oregon , talk to Bill and Joshua @ Cyclepath. Awesome, knowledgeable and customer service is unparalleled.
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James Brown
a Weekend Warrior
from Sewanee TN Date Reviewed: March 13, 2006
Favorite Trail:
Lots
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Purchased At:
Bought a complete set up.
Strengths:
Stiff rear end, no lateral flex at all. Takes a lot of stress, I was jumping five foot drops to flat and the bike just kept on going.
Weaknesses:
Hard to clean front derailer.
Similar Products Used:
Specialized Enduro, Santa cruz Blur LT, Giant reign.
Bike Setup:
Titus Moto lite w/ fox Float R and RP3 Magura Martas Sram x-9 rear derailer and x-7 shifters
Bottom Line:
The bike is great for trail riding, taking up to six foot drops. I do everything on this bike, ride up and then down as fast as possible. The bike handles well can take turns like it is on rails.
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Submitted by
Demo_Slug
a Weekend Warrior
from san jose, CA Date Reviewed: March 12, 2006
Favorite Trail:
demo forest, CA
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1300.00
Purchased At:
cyclepath
Strengths:
solid, stiff.. great looking suspension. works real good too. HI tech USA made tubing. I love 4 bar.
Similar Products Used:
yeti 575 demo. 5 spot demo, 5.5 demo and lots of others.
Bike Setup:
set to 5 inch travel, RP3, Fox van130 RLC, sram triggers, king wheels, 819 rims. 8 inch hayes discs front and rear.
Bottom Line:
Great ride. good looks. super high quality. nothin cheep about this frame. solid and stiff. pedals great, good traction in the rear. this is a top shelf ride for a 5 inch trail bike.
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Jason
a Cross Country Rider
from Birmingham Alabama Date Reviewed: March 12, 2006
Duration Product Used:
1 Year
Strengths:
Siff, light very high quality construction. Plush decends beutifuly climbs effortlessly.
Weaknesses:
05 stickers peeling off on downtube from roof rack.
Similar Products Used:
Nothing like it.
Bike Setup:
05 TALas RlC, rP3.
Bottom Line:
I've been rideing this bike for a year now, and I'm still amazed everyday. I still go down to the garage just to look at it. This bike just feels like a part of my body on the trail. The cornering still leaves me in aw. stable in the rough takes jumps and drops no matter how big I've been able to go so far like it was made for it. And I have by know means pushed this bike to it's limits, mainly to lack of good local terrain. Looking to change that soon. I would recomend and stand by this bike any day to anyone...
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Submitted by
stuartie
a Cross Country Rider
from Scotland Date Reviewed: March 11, 2006
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
Fat Tread Bikes, Aviemore
Strengths:
Obvious quality of construction. Suspension setup/geometry. Looks.
Weaknesses:
Apart from the rider, none found yet. High initial purchase price in UK (not an inherent bike weakness though).
Similar Products Used:
Turner 5-Spot, Specialized Enduro Elite.
Bike Setup:
06 Medium frame w Fox RP3 shock. King headset. RS Revelation 426 U-Turn forks. Avid Juicy 7 brakes. Thomson seatpost and stem. Easton Monkeylite carbon bars. XT drivetrain. Mavic X317 rims on XT hubs.
Bottom Line:
OK, this is very much a "first impressions" post as I just built up my ML last weekend, though I've spent a good few demo hours on one prior to purchase. So far I love this bike. I took it out today around a very snowy Glen Tress and even with a bit of a hangover, I felt confident and quick. Uphill, it can be a bit eager to lift up at the front unless the travel is wound down or your weight is shifted forward, but the back suspension tracks the ground very well and I felt no arse/lower back pain, even with a brand new saddle. Downhill, you can really let rip through berms and around tight switchbacks. The back end feels really active even under hard braking on steep, rough ground - a revelation after 7 years on a hardtail. I was able to ride a couple of sections which I'd ALWAYS baulked at, even in good, dry conditions. I'm sure it will take a good few rides 'til I get the best from this bike and until I've found my ideal setup and suspension settings, but I'm very impressed so far. I'm even going to stick my neck out and go 5 on value as I anticipate a good many years on this machine.
PS - not sure what the previous reviewer is talking about - seems to have a bit of an agenda.
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Daniel Berry
a Cross Country Rider
from flagstaff az Date Reviewed: February 23, 2006
Favorite Trail:
every singletrack
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1400.00
Purchased At:
Absolute Bikes
Strengths:
All,I beleive this is the best bike I've bought. Climbs like a goat. Downhills and freerides great. Bike set up is great.
Weaknesses:
None
Similar Products Used:
GT I-Drive, rochet 88
Bike Setup:
Rp3,juciy 7, marzocchi AM3, race face DH crank, weight 33lbs. CK hubs, boxguide, 9 speed
Bottom Line:
There not a better deal out there for the money, theres nothing i can't do on this this bike that i'm not scared of doing.I try ride around 4 times a week and never get tired of playing on my titus. I've turned this bike for the most part in to a freeride bike, but still have no problem on a 5 hour XC ride.
It doesn't matter what your going to ride as long have you can peddle it the bike will climb and pull off anything you want to do. The moto-lite tracks fine never had a problem with it going antwhere i didn'twant it to.
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Andrew Douglas
a Cross Country Rider
from Tucson, AZ Date Reviewed: February 4, 2006
Favorite Trail:
Any
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1399.00
Purchased At:
Bob's Bicycles.com
Strengths:
Price, paint, weight, deisgn, rear end stiffness.
Weaknesses:
Heavier than advertised. Did not come with water bottle bolts or chainstay protector. You will need a protector on the seat stay as well because of the angle it is at.
Similar Products Used:
Santa Cruz Heckler, Ellsworth Moment, Specielazed Enduro
Bike Setup:
Fox Float 130RLC, XO Drivetrain, Chris King wheels, Raceface Cranks, Easton Carbon Bar, Thomson stem+seatpost, El Camino Brakes.
Bottom Line:
I have the 2006 model with the wider chain stay and a float RP3. Set up was strait forward, the bb and h-tube were nicely faced, except the cable routing is tricky. (There are a couple of threads that address that issue)
The frame does weigh more than they advertise but still my bike comes in at 27 even and I could possible take even more off but I am happy with that weight.
The frame feels spot on for “All Mountain riding” it feels as light and efficient as a cross-country bike but still holds its own on some pretty technical stuff. During the climbs I cannot feel any unwanted movement and on the down hills you can tell the difference between it and a semi-active design like the Heckler. Another bonus is there is not a hint of flex in the rear end. Very happy with the purchase and would recommend it to anyone looking for a 5inch trail bike. I would also recommend you match the frame to the FOX float, it feels totally balanced.
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jason wirl
a Cross Country Rider
from portland Date Reviewed: January 31, 2006
Favorite Trail:
mckenzie
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1395.00
Purchased At:
cyclepath
Strengths:
wow, very balanced and responsive, not as sluggish as i expected a five and five bike to be. lateral rigidity is a bit more than i have experienced in the past (blur, s-works enduro)
Weaknesses:
people write about the lack of clearance on the rear end, mine is an 05, i have a conti diesel 2.5 in there and it works great, bigger than 2.5? on a 4-5 inch bike? cmon
Similar Products Used:
blur and enduro, enduro was nice, bb a bit low maybe, blur gave a bit of feedback in chop, i realize its part of the design due to elongation of the chainstays but jeez.. that wasnt fun
superbe, i'll check back for new stuff in a few years, until then... i cant see being unhappy with this thing
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Andrew Douglas
a Cross Country Rider
from Tucson, AZ Date Reviewed: January 27, 2006
Favorite Trail:
Any and Every
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$1399.00
Purchased At:
Bob's Bicycles.com
Strengths:
Price, great design, light, efficient.
Weaknesses:
No Chainstay protector or water bottle bolts.
Similar Products Used:
Heckler, Moment, Specialized, Enduro.
Bike Setup:
Fox Float 130 RLC, King Hubs, XO drive train, Thomson, El Camino Brakes.
Bottom Line:
The bike is great. Way lighter and more effiecient than the Heckler, Moment, or Enduro. Super stiff rear end. Easily handles any drop that i am capable of going of. The greatest thing about the bike though is how great it is on the climbs for a five inch travel bike. Super value for $1399. Only complaint is that it did not include chain stay protector or water bottle bolts. Also there is chain slap on seat stays because of the angle they are at. This bike is near perfect if you are only going to have one bike.
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Dulyebr
a Cross Country Rider
from Irvine, CA Date Reviewed: November 13, 2005
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1465.00
Purchased At:
Speedgoat.com
Strengths:
Weight, quality construction, looks like a work of art, true Horst linkage, stiff rear end, quad bearings.
Weaknesses:
poor rear tire clearance on the 2005 model. This is upgradeable. But, I have a Kenda Nevegal 2.1 UST, which measures 2.2 at the tread. For me that's big enough.
No anodized frames available. But, get lots of complements on the metalic grey paint job.
Similar Products Used:
2002 Cannondale Jekyll
Bike Setup:
Talas 05 Push'd, Rp3, CK/819 SuperComps Al nips, Kenda Nevegal UST, X.9 shifters/rear der, FSA K-Force bars, Shimano XT cranks/front der, Marta 180/160 brakes, CK Nothreadset, Thomson stem/seatpost, Sram PC-991 chain, WTB Rocket V Stealth, Time Atac Carbon pedals
Bottom Line:
Bottom line is this bike rocks! I wanted one bike that I could ride with my cross-country Lycra buddies, but would still be fun in technical terrain. I also like to do sport-class races, and with the four inch mode and a Fox Talas this bike couldn't be any more versatile. It handles well, descends well and climbs well -- couldn't ask for more.
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tim
a Cross Country Rider
from taos nm Date Reviewed: October 11, 2005
this bike let me be a better rider, inspires confidence, and doesn't feel like your wasting energy climbing. I have ridden in slick mud with 2.3 tire and not much different than the blur with same tire. fox talas and manitou both need warranty work but frame is awesome, no service yet with about 1000mi of singletrack. enduro and blur need pivots tightened a lot, even with locktite. titus rules.
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Tim
a Cross Country Rider
from South Dakota Date Reviewed: October 7, 2005
Favorite Trail:
Hidden gems in the Black Hills
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$1435.00
Purchased At:
LBS
Strengths:
Climbing, descending, cornering. Also, very light for a 5" trail bike.
Weaknesses:
Rear tire clearance.
Similar Products Used:
Intense Tracer.
Bike Setup:
Large '05 ML, Fox RP3 in the back, Fox Talas up front. Mix of SRAM & XT.
Bottom Line:
Two other frames I considered were the Turner 5 Spot & the Intense 5.5, but I have no saddle time on either of those bikes so I can't make any comparisons here. However, I can compare the ML with an Intense Tracer as this is the bike I have been riding for 5 years prior to the ML.
Climbing: This is were I was most surprised. My hope was that the ML would climb nearly as well as the Tracer. To my surprise, the ML flat out climbs better than the Tracer. I'm pushing a bigger gear up the same hills. The ML just feels stiffer in the rear and despite the fact the bike is slightly heavier (27.75 lbs vs. 27.20), it feels lighter while ascending. Although the ML feels stiffer, the suspension remains active during techy climbing and the rear tire sticks to the terrain like glue. During extremely steep, out-of-the-saddle climbs the ML bobs somewhat, but not as much as the Tracer. Overall the ML is a very impressive climber.
Descending: No surprise here. I expected the ML to excel in this department and, well, it does. I find myself picking more challenging lines than ever before. While descending steep, technical stuff on the Tracer I always had that "OMG I'm going to endo" feeling. Now I feel far more relaxed when pointed down, partly due to the extra inch of travel and partly due to the geometry.
Cornering: The ML rails through corners. I'm carrying more speed through corners than I did on the Tracer. In fairness to the Tracer, the effective Top tube length is a bit longer on the ML which makes for a more stable bike at speed. However, as noted above, the ML just feels stiffer than the Tracer and I suspect this plays a role here.
Overall the ML spanks. I've ridden tight 'n' twisty single track through the woods and I've ridden trails with long, sustained fire road climbs followed by long technical descents back to the trail head. The ML excels on both types of trails.
One last note regarding tire clearance: I was running Conti Verti Pro 2.3's and experienced some slight tire rub on the chain stays. For '06 Titus has re-designed the chain stay and word is that you can easily run a 2.4 in the back.
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R
a Weekend Warrior
from Philippines Date Reviewed: September 26, 2005
Favorite Trail:
anything that isn't paved
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Strengths:
-plush -rp3 performance -climbs well -low standover height
Weaknesses:
-derailleur slap -tight tire clearance
Similar Products Used:
intense evp 5.5
Bike Setup:
5 in. travel front and rear, disc brakes
Bottom Line:
nice bike. i like the ride better than my old intense.
took it on its first ride a few days ago over varied terrain and i liked what i got.
tarmac/hardpack. i locked out my fork and set the rp3 to 'firm'. nice. pedaling felt firm but the rear suspension still absorbed rocks and bumps without throwing me off my seat.
climbs. the motolite felt surprisingly light for a 29 pound trailbike. i was expecting to make a few hard climbs in the granny gear and big cog but was surprised to use the 2nd to the innermost cog most of the way. and the bump absorption under pedaling was pretty impressive too.
mud. while riding in mud and technical terrain, the low standover height gave me some extra confidence. the bike felt easy to maneuver as long as i was in the right low gear for spinning while in uneven terrain. downside is that i run a specialized 2.0 tire in the rear and barely had half a centimeter of clearance on each side. i had to stop a few times to clear the mud from the chain stays. the bike was also susceptible to ghost shifting while riding in the mud.
downhill. right before each downhill section i'd flick the shock lever to 'plush' and just hang on for the ride. nice! it felt like i had more than 5 inches underneath me! very plush. i guess the fsr rear combined with the shock made all the difference. only irritating thing for me was a 'knocking' sound that i'd get when running over stutter bumps. this chatter was annoying and i couldn't trace it until we got back to the shop. turns out the rear derailleur slaps against the bottom of the chainstay. time to take out the 3M rubber bumpers.
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Ant Allen
a Cross Country Rider
from Cape Town, South Africa Date Reviewed: September 26, 2005
Favorite Trail:
Harkerville, Knysna
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
Bowman Cycles Cape Town
Strengths:
Weight (lack of), Build quality and paint finish, rigidity and flick-of-the-wrist handling.
Weaknesses:
Pedal feedback to rider on really big hits under power, otherwise faultless.
Similar Products Used:
Reign 1, VT 1, VT 2, VRX 500, VRX 400...
Bike Setup:
Manitou Nixon Platinum fork, Maxm MX-6 carbon bars, Planet X stem and carbon seat post, WTB Rocket 5 seat, Cross Max SL wheelset, Avid Juicy 7's, SRAM X.0 rear, XTR front on SRAM X.9 triggers. XT bb and crank, SRAM hollow pin chain on XTR 11-32 rear cluster. Tyres WTB Weirwolf 2.1 UST (bit heavy, but fantastic all round tyre). Bike weigh-in at 12.5 kg.
Bottom Line:
To date the razor precision-like fs bike I have had the pleasure of owining and riding. Yes, one feels the hits a little more than the Reign or the VT, but we are talking totally different bikes here. The beauty of this bike is that all you need to do is to point it in the desired direction and pedal - uphill, downhill, pretty much anywhere - it's an awesome handler with the quickest eye-brain-hand response time I've ever ridden (probably due to it's fantastic rigidity. It breaks away easier under hard loose-pack cornering, but stays predictable in the slide. It eats up knarly, technical twisty forest trails. In all a really great package that I wouldn't swop for anything!
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Bill
a Cross Country Rider
from Littleton, co Date Reviewed: September 21, 2005
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$3100.00
Purchased At:
Wheat Ridge Cyclery
Strengths:
The Moto Lite floats over rocks- you still feel them, but not enough to shake you off your path. Nice solid feel going downhill. Uphill performance is very good because of the anti-bob suspension feel, but I notice a bit more weight than my last bike (Santa Cruz Superlight). I like the avid hydraulic disc brakes and Sram shifting performance.
Weaknesses:
Huh?
Similar Products Used:
This replaced my 2000 Santa Cruz Superlight. Just as the Superlight noticably improved downhill performance over the bike I used in the 1990s, and the Titus noticably improved downhill performance over the Superlight. I can now do rock stairs and gnarly rock drops. I don't do 5' drops, so this is all I need and what I want.
Bike Setup:
Shimano XT cranks, Sram shifters and rear derailleur, Fox Talas fork, Fox M3 shock, Avid Juicy hydraulic disc brakes, Titus Ti saddle. This setup weighed in at 27.9 pounds...not bad for 5" rear travel bike.
Bottom Line:
Superlative bike. Not a race bike, but provides the right combination of qualities for long (or short) rides over technical terrain like we have in the front range of Colorado.
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