The Pivot Mach 429 uses a direct mount front derailleur that bolts straight to the frame in the exact location needed for perfect shifting. It’s a more rigid mount that gives you the best front shifting performance made. By direct mounting the front derailleur and precisely controlling the bottom bracket width we control the chain-line precisely. A perfect chain-line means perfect shifts and no strange cross chaining issues. It seems like a small detail, but its something no one else does and it makes a big difference in a race or out on the trail.
Submitted by
idioteque
a Weekend Warrior
from Saint Paul, MN, USA, EarTh Date Reviewed: July 18, 2010
Favorite Trail:
Lebanon Hills
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$4400.00
Purchased At:
Angry Catfish Bicycl
Strengths:
Beautiful bike. Great components. Amazing ride in any condition.
Weaknesses:
Not a fan of these Kenda tires (Karma's I believe). Fork color is not attractive with the black frame (trivial, yes?). Correct setup is an absolute for this bike to perform. The chainrings/pedals have connected with obstacles more than I would like, but I am learning the limits. Not a bike I would ride in tons of mud.
Similar Products Used:
Specialized Epic (G1 and G2, and both Great bikes)
Bike Setup:
Stock with blue lunchbox. The lunchbox comes with a Chris King headset making the upsell worth it, in my opinion.
Bottom Line:
Phenomenal bike and ride. The bike rode great from the initial journey and got MUCH better as I was able to "tweak" the suspension setup. Very manageable for a 29'er as well. If/when I have to replace this, it will be another PIVOT. I am more than happy to support a company such as PIVOT. The fact that it was built in Taiwan bothered me at first, until I read why Cocalis chose that location. If you can handle the buy-in, I highly recommend this bike. Is it worth $2k more than the Epic it replaced??? I would say "worth" is subjective and it would be in the eyes of the beholder. To me, it was worth it, and still is worth it.
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Submitted by
ozzybmx
a Cross Country Rider
from Adelaide Date Reviewed: July 17, 2010
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Strengths:
DW link suspension is second to none, on places where i was hoping for traction on previous bikes and even my 29er hard tail, this bike just keeps going. The stiffness of this frame is also amazing, im running a 15mm TA Fox on the front and its super stiff both ends. The bike tracks and rails corners better than any bike ive had , i went the MED (im 5'9") and run a 70mm stem and it handles beautifully on the trails and the tight stuff.
Weaknesses:
None.
Similar Products Used:
Many 26" offerings, i have not ridden any other 29" FS bikes as they are pretty rare here still.
Bike Setup:
Fox f29 100mm, Stans Flows/hopes, Rotor agilis 2x9, Hope race brakes, Syntace vector bars, KCNC stem/post , Racing Ralphs run tubeless.
Bottom Line:
If something happened this bike today, i would buy another 429 immediately, super happy with it . The bike weighs in at 26.5lb (approx 12kg) and should get it down to 26ish without compromising the awesome trail riding ability . Its fast , climbs like a goat , decends like a rocket and the handling is out of this world.
I had no chance to demo any FS 29er, i read all the forums and even these reviews . Its the best reviewed FS 29er around, thats why i bought one. This bike is a no brainer ! Buy one.
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Submitted by
Maheoway
a Cross Country Rider
from Dripping Springs, TX Date Reviewed: April 13, 2010
Fox fork, XTR drivetrain with dual control, King hubs, Stan's 355 rims, Bontrager ACX(R), Mt King 2.4(F), WTB Rocket V Ti seat, BB 7's, Specialized BG grips, clips
Bottom Line:
I love this bike. It's my living room centerpiece.
I read some of the other reviews, there were 2 that demo'd the bikes, it took me a while to get the bike set up, had I demo'd it, wouldn't own it.
The bike knows where I want to go and will go anywhere, I am a better rider for it. Climbing is a no brainer, if you've got the legs, lungs and heart it's done, descending is effortless, drops and rock gardens are doable challenges.
I now know that weight is not everything, this bike is 3 lbs heavier than my back up, but more capable and somehow feels much lighter.
Pivot recommends 30% sag, I get full fork and shock travel, it's awesome on the hilly, rocky terrain of central TX, seems like a lot of sag, but it works.
Awesome bike, great buy, worth every penny.
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Submitted by
Williamsven
a Cross Country Rider
from Texas and Boston Date Reviewed: March 6, 2010
Favorite Trail:
Austin 360
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$1650.00
Purchased At:
ebay
Strengths:
paid 1700 for frame only on ebay.
i am 6'2" and between 245 and 270 lbs depending on the month. im a very hard trail hungry all mountain rider.
this is the 6th high end full suspension bike i have owned. . . it is unlike any other bike i have ever owned in my life. . for the first time in my life i feel NO flex in the frame going around corners or DH fast.
Weaknesses:
WEIGHS IN AT ALMOST 40 LBS !!!this build, XL size mach 429, Drake 29er fork, king hubs, Stans ZTR flow wheels, Bontrager team 2.35 tubeless tires, thomson stem / post, X-0 drivetrain,
Similar Products Used:
noting really in THIS bikes class. Gary Fisher Hifi 29er, Yeti, titus, Astrix, cannondale, rocky mountain ,
Bike Setup:
XL size mach 429, Drake 29er fork, Stans ZTR flow wheels, Bontrager team 2.35 tubeless tires, king hubs, thomson stem / post, X-0 drivetrain, WEIGHS IN AT ALMOST 40 LBS !!!
Bottom Line:
i think all my other bikes will collect dust after a week riding this beast every day.
its making me faster, leaner, more cut, stronger, more confident..
first few rides i was dragging swamp ass, just because this build weighs in at like 10 lbs heavier than my HiFi 29er. . but the HiFi pro 29er is an undercooked noodle over the trails compared to this bike .
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Submitted by
ipshr
a Cross Country Rider
from Boulder, CO USA Date Reviewed: January 29, 2010
Favorite Trail:
Cougar Ridge - Vail CO and anything in Crested Butte
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$4700.00
Purchased At:
Golden Bike Shop
Strengths:
Sturdy frame, DW Link design, no flex, great tracking, rides lighter than it is.
Weaknesses:
Could be lighter, some limitations on BB and headset choice.
Fox F29 (run at 120mm), Indistry 9 wheels, Salasa Bars, Thompson stem and post, Maxxis Ignitor tires, Cane Creek headset, XTR BB, Race Face Cranks, SRAM XO, Avid Discs, WTB Rocket V saddle.
Bottom Line:
Bullet proof. This bike tracks beautifully. The DW Link climbs and descends well. Very little flex. Handles great in switchbacks for a 29er. For a full review you can check out my evaluation on Mountain Bike 198. This is really a do everything bike. I raced it at Leadville and use it as an all around trail bike. It is one of those rare bikes where you get comfort & speed. Great finish. Demo'd several FS 29ers and this ride is by far the best. This year will bring some new competition, but Chris C. has already made mods for 2010 to keep it at the top of the heap.
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Submitted by
turtlepaul
a Weekend Warrior
from Aaheim, CA, USA Date Reviewed: January 23, 2010
Duration Product Used:
Tested or demo'ed only
Strengths:
It is plush for 4" travel, front triangle felt stiff, descends very very well.
Weaknesses:
I don't think the rear shock is very efficient. Upper seat stay is flexy.
I am in a market for full suspension 29er. I love my hardtail Rocky 29er, so I would like to find a full suspension one. This is based on demo ride only, so I admit it is limited review.
It is overall a good bike.
The front felt laterally stiff and solid. Overall it was well balanced. Its DW link worked very well to provide plush, smooth outstanding ride over fairly rugged techical descents. It also made technical or rugged climbs comfortable, by smoothing out the terrain, and keeping the tire sticking to the ground. No small bump chatters like original VPP Blur I used to own. In fact, regarding above traits, the bike reminded me a lot of Ibis Mojo, which I had ridden once before as well. Both are DW links, produced by quality companies, so no surprise there. As I am already a fan of 29" wheels, 29 wheels on Pivot made the traction and balance for me even better. I can say I liked pretty much everything about this bike, except for what I mention below.
I also experienced down sides.
I don't think the rear suspension is very efficient. When riding hard, seated, on flat trail, the rear shock visibly bob'd. When I stood up, it bob'd even more, and I felt what some refer to as "wallow" or "feeling like pedaling through quick sand", in some full suspension 29ers. I am sure I am not the most efficent pedaller in the world, but I do like to climb as well as go down, and I do pay some attention to spinning my pedals. I was surprised by this, as I have heard and read so many great things about Pivot and its DW-link, and I really wanted to like the bike. It is possible the guy who set up the shock made the pressure too low, but he paid close attention to sag, and said everything was "perfect" before I rode off. To its credit though, when I was actually climbing over uneven terrain, I could not really tell the difference between propedal on or off, which is a good sign.
Another issue I had was with rear triangle. Specifically, the seat stay laterally flexs where it connects with upper pivot. I felt the chain stay was quite solid and rigid, so I do not know how much the flexy seat stay really matters, but still it was a concern.
So far I have demoed this bike and Ellsworth Evolve, and I feel Evolve was more efficient, and more laterally rigid. I know this may be contrary to what some Pivot owners have written, but this was my impression, over a limited time. Pivot was more active and plush though, and made going down a blast, and technical climb more enjoyable. Between the two, if I have to choose, I must say I have to go with Ellsworth. I am hoping to demo Turner Sultan, and Santa Cruz Tallboy (give VPP another shot), and Niner before I finally decide.
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Submitted by
Danimal22
a Weekend Warrior
from Danobecker@hotmail.com Date Reviewed: January 21, 2010
Favorite Trail:
Bell mtn. Sedona, AZ.
Duration Product Used:
Tested or demo'ed only
Strengths:
Great handling and smooth ride. was a perfect fit for me with minimal adjustments. 1st 29er I have ridden.
Weaknesses:
None that I noticed during test demo. (All day ride across all kinds of terrain.)
Similar Products Used:
Tested the mach-4, mach-5 and also a Specialized Stumpjumper FSR on the same days.
Bike Setup:
XT components, Fox suspension.
Bottom Line:
I have been test riding alot of bikes to find the right one to fit my style of riding, Was interested in Specialized Enduro, Giant Trance, Pivot Mach-5, but after riding all of those bikes than riding the 429 it is a no-brainer for me... I fell in love with the med. size 429r All the Pivot bikes are very impressive in quality and ride, but the 429 is just incredible! I will test ride a similarly equipped R.I.P. Niner to compare to the Pivot 429 and then buy either one that I like the best. If you are looking for a all around mtn bike it is a must to try the 29er bikes.
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Submitted by
thesergeant
a Racer
from Santa Monica, CA Date Reviewed: December 12, 2009
Some could say weight, but you have to realize that this frame has a direct mount derailleur, zero stack headset and press in bottom bracket. Taking all of those factors into account the frame is maybe 200grams more than others in its class.
Similar Products Used:
Canzo 29, Jet9, Rip9
Bike Setup:
Industry Nine XC Wheels, XO, Marta SLs, Rotor 3D 2x9 Cranks, XTR Cassette, Eggbeater 3ti, Ergon GP1 SL, Easton EC90/Monkeylite XC Cockpit. Mine is weighing in around 25.75lbs.
Bottom Line:
This is an absolutely phenomenal bike. Extremely stiff, very plush, very efficient and very fast.
I can't say enough good things about this bike. I'm a slight weight weenie and was hesitant to purchase the bike because of the heavier than average weight. I'm sure it's been said before but I'll say it again-- it rides lighter than it is. The suspension design is spot on and there is very little pedal induced bobbing. On my Canzo (upgraded to an RP23) I was always reaching down to hit Propedal. On the 429 I leave it open always, unless I'm on the road.
Really, if you are on the fence about spending the extra $$ do yourself a favor and just do it. You'll have no regrets. This bike will definitely not be leaving my stable anytime soon. Between my 429 and my SS El Mar I think I have my bases pretty well covered.
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Submitted by
CraigE
a Cross Country Rider
from The OC Date Reviewed: September 22, 2009
Favorite Trail:
El Moro
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$5300.00
Purchased At:
La Habra Cyclery
Strengths:
Strong frame, solid feel and fantastic rear suspension.
Weaknesses:
I haven't found any yet
Similar Products Used:
Ellsworth Evolve, Niner RIP (first gen)
Bike Setup:
XTR components. Magura magnesium SL 160mm brakes. Fox 32 F29 FIT RLC fork. DT Swiss wheels and 240s hubs. Weighs 26.5 pounds ready to ride.
Bottom Line:
Love this bike!
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Submitted by
dustyman
a Cross Country Rider
from Orange County Date Reviewed: August 30, 2009
Favorite Trail:
San Juan
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$5000.00
Purchased At:
The Path Bike Shop
Strengths:
Very stiff frame. Outstanding climber. Intuitive handling.
XL frame, Sram XO, Rock Shox Reba 120mm, Avid Elixir CR, Stans ZTR Arch/Chris King hubs, Kenda Nevegal and Small Block. 29 lbs. with pedals.
Bottom Line:
I wanted to wait 6 months before submitting a review to give an accurate assessment. I'm 6'4" 205lbs. and prefer technical all mountain riding. I have ridden 29ers in the past, but none seamed to handle very well and felt awkward in tight singletrack. I demoed the 429 and DW link Sultan about a week apart on the same trail network and was blown away on how well the 429 handled. The frame is so stiff (Ventana stiff) that it cornered better than my 5-spot plus this thing is fast. After purchasing my frame I rode it on my favorite tight singletrack trails which require you to slow way down with hairpin corners and rocky decents. This thing just floats over everything. It flowed through tight corners and accelerates way better than a 29er should. My lap times have dropped significantly. I climbed the San Juan trail 6 miles up and it felt like I was cheating. This thing sticks like glue. If your looking for an exceptional trail bike demo the 429. When Pivot makes a 529 I will be first in line. This bike is expensive, but the smiles and grins are worth the price of admission.
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Submitted by
scottg918514
a Cross Country Rider
from Ashburn, Virginia Date Reviewed: August 24, 2009
Favorite Trail:
Patapsco, MD
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$2800.00
Purchased At:
Speedgoat
Strengths:
Very plush, fast, great climber for short, steep, and technical climbs. Great build quality, like a tank.
Weaknesses:
maybe a bit heavy and shock placement, though necessary, doesn't make it easy to hold or put on a rack.
Similar Products Used:
Niner Jet 9, Santa Cruz Blur LT, Niner Air 9, Specalized SJ S-works.
Bike Setup:
XTR BB, FD, X-O shifters, X-9 rd, Fox F29 100mm fork, Ritchey Zero Stack HS, Thompson elite stem, seatpost, Specialized Rival seat, Specialized S-works carbon bar, Avid Elixir CR brakes, Stans ZTR Arch rims w/ Hope Pro II hubs, XTR Crank, Time ATAC carbon pedals, Specialized Captain (f) and S-works Eskar tire (r).
Bottom Line:
Great bike, fun, fast, and likes to get up in the air. I don't know why, but I'm able to get this bike a few inches higher in the air the with my other bikes. And it is a bit heavier. My Niner Jet broke (surprise) and I still don't have a replacement yet. So I built up the Mach 429. In most respects a better bike. One thing that I instantly noticed was that it is plush, it just eats up terrain. To get the correct sag, I'm putting in about 140 psi in the shock, where as I was about 200+ in my other bikes. That alone will tells you this setup gives me a more plush ride.
Because it was so plush, I thought it would be sluggish up hills. Not really, In short steep, techinical climbs, it performs great. I've noticed that when approaching one of these types of climbs that I still look ahead and start the mental games of "okay, this is going to be tough". Than, before I know it, I'm at the top and I'm thinking "wow that was easy".
I just got back from Douthat SP and there is a lot of long, granny gear climbing there. I usually don't use the Propedal setting, but though it might make it a bit more efficient, so I tried it. I did notice that while on the small chain ring and in pp or not it almost feels like you've got a flat tire in the rear. I can't say for sure if it is pedal bob, but it could be. That said, it still climbed well, just with a squishy feeling. This could just be the DW link doing it's thing.
But, despite that quirk, this bike rocks! I find my self wanting to get better performance out of my front fork on downhills since the rear is so great. I notice the front hits more.
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Submitted by
MattChervy
a Cross Country Rider
from Brisbane Australia Date Reviewed: August 4, 2009
Favorite Trail:
Wiso's, McMahon's, Gap Creek
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
Ride Inn Virginia, F
Strengths:
Love the BB 100mm internal. Allows for the lower linkage to be made wider and stronger making the bike very stiff. Welding and finish is pure artwork. It’s a DW link. Note: “Frame is supplied with BB installed Seat clamp, Rear hanger and Front Derailleur Bolts”.
Weaknesses:
Nothing Major. Just little quirky things. Because this is a USA designed bike the brake line routing stand offs are on the left side of the bike. As our rear brake is on our left here in Australia the 1st and 2nd standoffs would have been nice on the Right side of the bike. (Makes for a cleaner cable routing). In saying that you can squeeze it in. Standard pump holders may not fit quite how you like them too. (That’s if you carry a bottle cage mounted pump) You may need to modify the plastic pump brackets by heating them and bending them out a little.
Similar Products Used:
In 26” tried too many to list. Owned Norco Nitro, Giant VT2, Specialized Stump Jumper, Iron horse Azure, Ibis Mojo. Tried in 29, Niner, Fisher, Haro, Pivot.
Bike Setup:
X9 rear, XTR front, Twist shift, Hayes Nine brakes 8” front (to be replaced with Formula's soon), Mavic Crossmax 29 wheels, SRAM PG980 cluster 11-34. Fox float @100mm. Ritchey carbon riser bars. Ritchey WCS stem. XT M770 175 22-32-44 cranks. Time Atack pedals. Thomson Elite 410mm post. Specialized Rival 145 SL saddle. WTB ExiWolf Front tyre (2.3). Intense System 29 EX2 Rear tyre (2.25). What’s this build weigh? 13kg (28.6lb for you USA Dudes)
And as you can see there is plenty of room to make the above build lighter as I have not used the lightest of components!
Bottom Line:
I used to bag people that rode 29ers. What do you need that for, it’s just a fad, bla bla bla. Then one day on a relative longish ride after watching a friend ride up a sketchy hill (who usually would end up walking it) and some constant hounding from another friend to try the 29er, I finally relented and swapped my Ibis Mojo for a go on a Niner. It only took a short distance for me to realise that there was something in this 29 stuff, especially when I got back on my Mojo. Don’t get me wrong the Mojo is a beautiful bike and a dream to ride but after building and riding the Mach 429 I can definitely say I have not gone backwards. I have pretty much everything the Mojo had in fit and handling but now with the extra momentum, grip and climbing power.
For people that say 29ers are more cumbersome in tight corners, well you are on the wrong 29er or its too big for you. But then again it just may not be a Pivot. In saying that if you size up this bike wrong you will not like it and that really goes with any bike anyway. But here is where it gets different. I usually ride 19” seat tube frames. I sized this bike up and went for the medium, which is an 18.5” seat tube. Be aware of the top tube lengths, they are normally longer than their 26” counterparts. I rode the Large Mach429 and did not like it at all and I am 6ft.
Take heed to Pivots recommendations. 5’7”-5’9” get the small. 5’10”-6’1 get the medium. 6’1” and above get the large.
Do your home work! I talked to some guys on this site and even at Pivot themselves. I even bugged the shop owner many times and physically crosschecked measurements. Something I also learned was that earlier batches of large Pivot Mach 429 bikes have different dimensions to current production 09 Catalogue models.
You can never have enough information and that’s why I have written as much as I can here.
Due to my riding style and personal preference I did not like the standard build bikes. I prefer Mavic crossmax wheels and as a long distance rider I also prefer twist shifters. I like to build my own bikes as the satisfaction with the ride is even sweeter when you achieve what you had set out too. I do however buy the Frame and fork from a local bike shop. When you spend this amount of money these are the two items that you may need warranty assistance with. (Hopefully not, but better safe than sorry.) I did also purchase my wheels from the same bike shop. While I am here, the owner of the shop mentioned above went out of his way to help me in both assistance and price.
So how does it ride? Very nicely! A big gamble that has payed off. The DW link suspension definitely makes this bike trick. Just like the Ibis. You can ride this bike around and not even need to activate the pro-pedal. If you want to make it more like a hard tail and you are someone who stands up a lot when they ride then you can activate the pro-pedal and virtually make the bike a hard tail. (I am a sit down rider and not a sprinter) With the 4 inches of travel and the larger wheels you can pretty much tackle anything. Going both up and down. The tires I have been running have surprising grip and I have given this bike a flogging on single track with 40psi in the tyres, as I wanted to feel the bike and tyres. Let some air out and this thing is even grippier. There is a noticeable momentum difference on this bike riding my usual single track. It is faster !! On straight downhill lines you just roll past 26rs. On the single track once you trust this bike you learn that you don’t have to jam on the brakes going into the corner and know the bike will hold on. As for the tight stuff, again there is virtually no difference, its just as nimble as a 26” bike. Hmmm, some of you are probably saying, “yeh right” Well here is some other interesting info for you. The wheel base on the March 429 is only about 12mm longer then my 26” Ibis. These guys at PIVOT have really done their homework with this bike. Not only with having used a suspension system, which in my opinion is second to none, but some really kick ass geometry too. Another big plus is that this bike is Alloy, at least now I don’t have to worry about breaking/damaging a carbon frame if I crash, which also means harsh technical stuff I would normally deem as bike wrecking if I stuffed up, is now do-able. So this bike has also fixed a mental barrier too.
As for the Weight being heavier, yes it is but the frame is what, maybe 500grams heavier than something similar in a 26er (with 4” rear suspension). The extra weight in this bike comes more from those big dam wheels and tyres. Take a close look at this frame. Its built for strength and they still kept it at a reasonable weight.
If you are a short course racer/sprinter or a small person, then this bike may not be for you. But if you are after a bike that is fun to be on and can do some long rides or races, or a go anywhere do anything bike, then have a go on one of these. You wont be sorry. Hell, if you are in my area I will even give you a go on mine!
One last thing!
I do not work for or have any connection with Pivot. I gave this bike a review it deserves and everything you read here is my opinion. Others may differ.
Now get of the net and go and ride..lol (I have been sick and had an excuse)
4 Value Chilis because it not light on the wallet.
5 Value Chilis because obviously I love it and it one hell of a great ride.
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Submitted by
padrefan1982
a Cross Country Rider
from Puyallup, WA Date Reviewed: July 8, 2009
Favorite Trail:
Anything with dirt
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$3400.00
Purchased At:
Speedgoat
Strengths:
Pedaling Efficiency, Frame Stiffness, Suspension Performance, Inspires Confidence, Pivot’s attention to details in frame design
Weaknesses:
Could be cheaper (so could everything else), frame’s finish could be more durable, frame’s not light, waterbottle placement
Similar Products Used:
GT i-drives, ridden various other FS designs, still own and ride Niner One9 and a Monocog
Bike Setup:
X9/XT Drivetrain, Elixir R brakes, I9 Wheels, Reba Race
Bottom Line:
I’ve now had my 429 since early February-- build up with Speedgoat’s X9 build. Wanted to wait for a good amount of time to pass so that I could judge the bike with some authority. I have to say, this frame has meet or exceeded every expectation I’ve had for it. I started looking last fall (’08) for an FS bike after I finally came to the realization I wasn’t strong enough to have a singlespeed for all my rides. After looking a few different options, I went ahead with the 429 because of how stiff the frame was. All the little details that Pivot put into their frame has made this the quickest accelerating bike I own. When I put the power down, I know the that power’s going to the wheels and not getting lost in the frame or suspension action.
I’ve had the chance this month to ride the bike in 3 different states (WA, CO, and CA) and and hopping on trails that I’m unfamiliar with has shown me how much riding the Pivot has improved my skills-- mainly related to the confidence the bike inspires. Because the suspension works so well, because I KNOW the frame will track where I want it to, I’ve been able to do things on a mountain bike I was never able to do before. Now, I’m not throwing the myself and the bike off a cliff or anything like that, but the confidence I have in the 429 has helped me tackle things I typically see on the trail and bail on. Last week I was up at Pole Hill, an ATV trail near Estes Park, CO and the frame would encourage me to use speed as a weapon against breaking bumps, ditches, and rocks on descents. The only thing that held me back was the Elixirs, which I’m still not sold on. Its feels similar to old GT i-Drive Team, which was a bike that loved to be at speed as well; the difference being here that the bigger wheels, stiffer frame and better suspension could cash the checks my body was writing. Its the fastest bike I’ve owned on CA fire roads, and eats up the the slow, choppy, technical stuff Washington has to offer me, and handles everything else in between well.
I wanted to take a moment and address the biggest concern that someone might have with the 429 (or Pivot’s other designs)-- frame weight. I’m sure there are riders out there who have bypassed the 429 because of how much it weighs. I know that my bike will never be under 25 pounds (but heck, I’m 6’3”, and over 200 pounds, so it shouldn’t be, either)-- but I have to say, I’d rather have a frame that weighs 7 pounds that is stiff like the Pivot then a frame that comes in at 5lb and scares the crap out of my in a rock garden. There are times that I’ve felt my Pivot was stiffer laterally then my One9, and that shocked me out on the trail. What I would recommend to do for those of you who do get a Pivot is to spend, spend, spend on the best wheelset you can. (I know, its more money) I originally had Fulcrum Red Metal SLs on the bike-- I got an opportunity to upgrade the wheelset to I9s; I’m so thankful I did that. The bike truly comes alive with a nice, light, and strong wheels, which allow the bike’s handling and acceleration to shift into an otherworldly place.
Bottom line: Its a great time to be looking for a FS 29er right now-- there are some great options out there. What I can tell you is that I have no doubts the 429 is the right bike for me. The Pivot guys were great to deal with, and have really thought long and hard about their product and what they want it to do, and the frame shines in every situation I’ve placed it in. If you have the coin, and are looking for a 29er that flies down the trail, its worth a look. And if you’re a big guy looking for FS bike that can handle your power, the 429 should jump straight to the top of the list. If you’re looking for more details, feel free to ask. 5 chillies for an Overall Rating, and 5 as well for value, because while its an expensive ride, its worth every penny in my opinion.
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Submitted by
sam1
a Cross Country Rider
from Austin, TX USA Date Reviewed: April 17, 2009
Favorite Trail:
Thumper
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$3000.00
Purchased At:
Speedgoat
Strengths:
Balanaced handling, killer climbing, no major bob / rebound from DW Link Design.
Weaknesses:
None found yet
Similar Products Used:
Owned Sultan 29er Sold, and an Ellsworth Evolve (now just a back up bike).
Bike Setup:
Full XT with Fox F29 100MM 2.55 Weirwolfs
Bottom Line:
By far the best handling, climbing, pedaling 29er on the market. DW link is superior to all other designs and I have owned and ridden them all. BB design, headset width, bolt on FD, all contribute to a bike that is super solid, shifts well, and does everything right.
Lots of technical, rocky climbs where I live, and the Pivot is by far the best climber I have owned. Moving from 26 to 29er changed my life, going to the pivot made it another 10% better...
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Submitted by
teleskiwasatch
a Cross Country Rider
from Salt Lake City, Utah, USA Date Reviewed: April 13, 2009
Favorite Trail:
Many
Duration Product Used:
Tested or demo'ed only
Purchased At:
Poison Spider, Moab,
Strengths:
Fast, smooth, confidence inspiring
Weaknesses:
Pricey
Similar Products Used:
Never ridden a 29er before. Current ride is a Trek Fuel 100.
Bike Setup:
Mostly XT
Bottom Line:
Took this bad boy out for a four day demo (100 mile) trip around the White Rim Trail (WRT) in Canyonlands N.P. near Moab, UT. Had never ridden a 29'er before but it was love at first ride. The WRT is prime "high rolling" terrain...you just have to ROLL...and that means powering over/through some rough terrain at warp speed. Confidence inspiring would be the best description. It never let me down...never felt out of control. Climbed great for a 27 lb bike...didn't really notice the weight. Very minimal bob. Just plain hauls ass. Powers through the roughest stuff...never felt like I was getting knocked around. Other riders gave it a try. They all said WOW, what a HUGE difference between their bikes (26 inchers, FS and hardtail) and this one. Praise was universal. I think I may have just found my next bike. It's really very different (better) that any other MTB I have ridden in the last 25 years.
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CG68Plt
a Weekend Warrior
from Date Reviewed: April 12, 2009
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Purchased At:
Conte's
Strengths:
Handling, pedaling efficiency and suspension action.
Weaknesses:
Expensive
Similar Products Used:
Spider 29r, Evolve.
Bike Setup:
Sram Juicy 7's, X9, XT Cranks, Reba.
Bottom Line:
I'm 5'7" with a 30 inch inseam and the small frame with a 90mm stem fits me exceptionally well. The bike's weight is well proportioned front to rear which provided very quick and predicatable handling; as others have said you do not feel the heft of the frame (I thought these statements were a load of C$%P, however riding this thing has made me a believer). Does it bob....yes (they all do to some extent), however very minimally. Overall I found the pedaling performance superior to both VPP (Outland/Intense), ICT or FSR (old Intense Tracer). The mechanical leverage/platform is noticable, regardless of where the suspension is in its travel. It remains very active under braking and pedaling. It was so nice to immediately feel the bike accelerate without the usual suspension bog down normally felt during acceleration from a start or following coasting (I do not use propedal). Again as other state the bike carries excellent speed. On slow speed bumps such as roots and rocks the cush is a little more hardtail like, however once you get your speed up to just a moderate level you can feel the suspension track the ground and very effectively manage all size of trail irregularities. I'm sold on the ride, handling and pedaling performance for trail riding. I was skeptical, however in my opinion the DW link delivers on it's promises. Is it perfect...no, but damn close. 4 Chili's for value as it does cost an arm and a leg, however no regrets with the purchase.
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PJB
a Cross Country Rider
from Brisbane, Australia Date Reviewed: January 25, 2009
Favorite Trail:
Gap Creek
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$5000.00
Strengths:
Rolls over anything, solid, XT build great
Weaknesses:
Seems more work going up steep inclines - may just be the tires
Similar Products Used:
Trek Fuel 90, Giant Trance 0
Bike Setup:
XT setup as supplied
Bottom Line:
I’ve only had this bike for a week and my initial impression is exactly how another reviewer described it: “It handles more like my motocross bike (motorcycle) than a bicycle”. It feels big and heavy, but when I timed myself on my usual tight single track loop, I was actually substantially faster! Once this thing gets rolling, it just goes and goes! Once you get going, those wheels seem to have a huge amount of inertia which helps you go faster. Logs across the track, rock gardens, small drop offs...all you hear is a minor clatter of cables/chain and you’re over...no jolting, just a ripple! Cool!
Going up very steep inclines is definitely harder. This may be due to the Nevegal tire up front, which is grippy but heavy, or the small block 8 tire on the back, which slips a little in our conditions. I’m looking at replacing them with lighter tires and I wonder if anyone has advice here. As well, the real granny gear ratio seems to be “missing”. This is due, no doubt, to the wheel size. Looks like I’ll just have to get fitter!
I bought the bike after looking at these terrific forum postings and I must say that the reviews have been pretty accurate. It’s a very solid bike with no hint of flex anywhere. Steering seems slightly more cumbersome in the tight twisty sections, but I’m sure that this is just a matter of getting used to the bike...it was much better at the end of my last ride yesterday.
These are just my initial thoughts and I’ll post another review in a few weeks when I’ve ridden more. Generally, though, it appears to be a very solid, well-made bike that is loads of fun!
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Ric VDL
a Cross Country Rider
from Temecula, CA Date Reviewed: December 8, 2008
Favorite Trail:
Never been on one I did not like
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$5700.00
Purchased At:
The Path in Tustin C
Strengths:
Quick steering, yet stable at high speeds. Very solid rear end. For 4" of travel, still soaks up everythin I throw at it. Best looking full suspension 29'r around.
Weaknesses:
A very minor item...Pivot labels are very subtle causing everyone to ask me "that's a good looking bike...who makes it?"
Similar Products Used:
26" and 29" hard tail and full suspensions
Bike Setup:
Pivot Mach429 large frame with Fox RP23 shock, Fox RLC 32 fork, DT240s, Stans tubeless ZTR rims, Specialized Captians (tubeless), XO gripshift with X9 rear and XT front, XT cranks, XTR pedals, Thompson Elite post, Specialized Toupe ti143, Monkeylite bars, Thompson Elite stem, Richey headset, Formula Oro's brakes.
Bottom Line:
I put many hours on many 29r bikes before selecting the Pivot. The Path Bike shop in Tustin Ca is where I bought it. The guys there were extremely helpful and quick to deliver what I asked for. I was looking for a competitive xc 29R and an everyday trail bike as one ride...I found it. I am 6'4" 180 pounds. This large frame fits great. The bike weighs exactly 27 pounds which is not bad for a large frame 29r. Though a couple pounds more than a 26 inch wheeled bike, it out performs others in the climbs and definitely on the downhills.
I raced it last weekend and took 1st overall in the Sport class and after two laps was ahead of all but one expert. The bike has made me a much faster rider but most of all it is great fun. This past weekend I took it on a 12 mile downhill ride. It handles more like my motocross bike (motorcycle) than a bicycle. It rolls over or soaks up most everything I throw at it.
The rear is very solid with no flex in the swing arm or pivot joints which puts power to the ground. I climb better on this then on my hard tail titanium bike. It hooks up better in the saddle rather than standing. It steers very precise and controlled.
Welds are top quality. I got the silver. Not only is it great to ride, it's great to look at too.
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UpSideDownBiker
a Cross Country Rider
from Holmen, WI, USA Date Reviewed: November 26, 2008
Favorite Trail:
boB
Duration Product Used:
6 months
Price Paid:
$3850.00
Purchased At:
Smith's Cycle and Fi
Strengths:
The overall ride. The more you ride it the more you push yourself. It makes you a better rider!
Weaknesses:
None
Similar Products Used:
26" FS bikes from Haro, Intense. 29" hard tail bikes from Haro, Niner, Lynskey.
Bike Setup:
XT group with DT wheels and Ritchey bar/stem/post
Bottom Line:
I've ridden a number of other 29'er hard tails and a few different 26 inch full suspension bikes. But I've never been on anything like this. The ride is superb. The front end is more precise than my ridged single speed 29'er. The bike handles as fast as or faster than the 26 inch FS bikes I've had and the suspension is as close to perfection as you can get. So smooth and yet you forget you are riding an FS bike at times let alone a 29'er. If you are looking for a bike to ride all day on any terrain this is it.
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kedwins
a Cross Country Rider
from phoenix,arizona usa Date Reviewed: November 21, 2008
Favorite Trail:
Trail 100
Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month
Price Paid:
$2000.00
Purchased At:
built myself
Strengths:
great handling. the frame is very solid in turns and climbinb. I'm a big guy, 6'0, 250. I have a large frame which was recommened by the local pivot dealer Trail Head bikes. Great climber.
Weaknesses:
None that i notice at this time.
Similar Products Used:
No other 29er. Blur xc, juicy seven, mavic sl, xt crank, x.0 drive train.
Bike Setup:
Mavic Cs29er rims, kenda small block, x.o drive train, xt crank, fox fork, x.o shifters and juicy ultimate brakes
Bottom Line:
This is a great bike for that handles as well as my blur. a great climber. If you are over 6'0 this is the perfect set up for you. Pivot has take the full suspension to a whole new level.
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TBaggers
a Cross Country Rider
from Denver, CO Date Reviewed: September 30, 2008
Favorite Trail:
Anything with sweet singletrack
Duration Product Used:
3 months
Purchased At:
Yorktown Cycles-York
Strengths:
Everything about it.
Weaknesses:
None so far. Sure I wish it was a tad lighter, but actually I don't notice the weight. I'm enjoying the ride way too much too notice.
Similar Products Used:
Niner Jet 9; as for 26ers, have owned Turner 5 Spot and XCE; Giant NRS Air (for racing); and Ibis Mojo.
Bike Setup:
Full XTR groupo; DT 240 hubs; DT rims, etc - whatever is on their top line XTR kit...look at the Pivot website for specifics
Bottom Line:
Got a friend who is an elite adventure racer and mountain biker and he infected me with the idea of 29ers, so I finally took the plunge. Demo'ed the Niner Jet 9 first. Loved it in many ways...although there was something about it that made me feel like the front end was a bit light/floaty. Then demo'ed the Pivot 429er a week or so later. Loved how stiff and balanced the frame/geometry is. Was torn between the two. And then the combo of Niner's linkage problem and the fact that a friend is dealing Pivot, well, that made the choice for me.
This bike climbs beautifully; descends amazingly. Handles technical super well, up and down. Traction and tracking are insane. Frame is super "tight"/stiff. Can get going scary fast on it. It is a super fun bike. I'll race it occasionally (ultra endurance adventure races as well as short stuff) as well as ride for pleasure on all sorts of terrain. Every friend that has thrown a leg on it has loved it.
Note the sizing: I (5'11-3/4"; 165lbs) am usually a Large, but because of the geometry of this bike, I ride a medium (Cocalis was at the demo day). I probably could ride a large as well by just playing with stem lengths; I might put a slightly longer stem on my medium. I'd be a large on a regular Mach 4 26er.
Extra weight that results from DW link and all the tubing is well worth it and not noticeable. Cocalis estimated it weighs 26.5lbs with this top line build kit. I have not weighed mine.
Torn about keeping/selling my Mojo as I love that bike as well...but now when I get on a 26er I feel like I'm on a bike with little kids wheels; really bizarre how fast my perception changed.
Indeed the bike is a bit pricey, but if you are really into riding, are going to use the bike, etc. and can rally the $$$, then this should be one of your top contenders for your next bike. I give it a 4 chili on "value" only because such great bikes are insanely expensive.
P.S. Tom and crew at Yorktown Cycles, Yorktown Heights, NY are awesome to work with. Check 'em out at www.yorktowncycles.com
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